Could we have a thread devoted to debunking the "gender is a social construct" nonsense

This. I've tested numerous approaches with different kinds of libtard, and the "race/gender is a social construct" accept no evidence. You can point to crime stats or studies of 9 month old infants, they'll just make up some bullshit excuse to outright dismiss the evidence you provide them. This is literally a matter of faith to them.

And then they'll turn around and accuse you of ignoring evidence.

When you are debating various "constructionists" keep in mind you're debating the literal Creationists of ideology. If you want to break their brain just force them to start answering questions about evolution and evolutionary anthropology. Ask them at what point the human species became different from literally every other species on earth that can be identified as having a biological basis for sexual dimorphism and subspecies/races.

"Gender" is in large part a social construct. That doesn't mean it's meaningless. If you want to argue about "gender" with liberals, either make up a gender (attack helicopter), or point out that the psychological decoupling of sex and "gender" is detrimental to reproduction and civilization. The most important thing to remember in these arguments is that you will not convince your opponent, at least not through logic. You're best served by humiliating them or putting on a show for onlookers.

They want to imply that sex is something arbitrary and using "sex" would belie such implication.

One area of attack would be to ask, "what about lions, dogs, rats and other mammals? Why aren't we questioning their "gender".

As previously stated, there are two sexes, male and female.
gender as applied to human beings is made up shit by that pedophile mad doctor Money.

You can't debunk something you don't understand, and you clearly don't understand the feminist conception of gender - both the structural and post-structural analyses. It takes a special type of retardation to suggest that there is no such thing as socially determined gender roles. As if women in 12th century China have the same expectations placed on them for being female as the women of 21st century Brazil or ancient Greece. In the old-school second-wave analysis, these things were called "sex roles" which makes things clearer

Gender is a construct of language, biological sex is your reproductive organs.

Besides trains, my daughter only wants to play with girly toys. She doesn't like masculine toys. She wants to push a doll around in a toy stroller, she wants to be like her mommy. She is 1.

Is gender a fact or opinion?
I've found that to be a good litmus question

A fucking 12 year old can debunk this shit. Leave that to halfchan Holla Forums, we're way above this level.

I had a faggot teacher in middle school who tried to teach us that race is a social construct. Guess this was next on (((their))) agenda.

FUCK OFF BACK TO REDDIT

The motivation of the "gender" people is to prevent male and female bonding (chiefly among white people) and decouple men women from families.

train sets are the most based toys tbqh fam

then you come along and do shit like this, fuck off schlomo

you can fuck off back there too

Quality of discourse is important, but he used literally correctly.

And now you're accusing others of not providing meaningful information whilst providing none yourself. Given that all you've done is argue pointlessly, I'll have to conclude that you are a jew.

Biggest argument that I heard trans people parrot is
"I was born in wrong body"
Which is a retarded argument to make and I dont understand why dont more people point it out.

The simple rebutal is
NOBODY HAS CHOSEN THEIR BODY.
Nobody had the opportunity to choose their body before birth, and if we had we would choose the best body(for us) we could. Therefore, EVERYONE is born in "wrong" body, if we were given a choice between "wrong" and "right" body for us.

Just because trans people feel gender dysphoria, a feeling that doesn't go away after they change their appereance or go under the knife and pills, doesnt mean that they had that feeling before or that the feeling stems from beginning of their birth.

More so, Swedens suicide rates of trans people is overwhelming. A country without bullying of trans people (counter argument of trans against citting the stats of trans suicide) has trans suicide numbers higher than that of Japs.

There you go, main counter argument I forged while going down the line in shitposting with leftists on jewtube comment section.

Just use that or "I am 15feet high black chinese woman and my pronouns are flim flam cheerp" shitposting to get the same message across or to bait them in.

Bullshit. Even fucking chimpanzee babies are more interested to play with toys "specific to their gender".
You're basing your view and the false idea that men and women are completely the same except for their outward appearances which is the root lie this whole social justice bullshit is based on.

Bear and raise children, be a home maker, support your husband. Yes, they had the exact same expectations. Just because they are wearing different clothes and eat different kinds of food and whatever other superficial detail you might find those expectations were pretty much the same.
And as you can see in the west right now, abandoning those expectations only leads to ruin.

Isn't this the thing Yuri B. talks about when he says 'You can show these people actual, physical evidence, and they will refuse to accept it. They cannot accept it.'

i was talking to a woman who was crying about the gender disparity of women in STEM jobs and education.

i started talking about new scientific discoveries and technology since she seemed interested in those types of things.

she told me i was changing the subject and that women are opressed. she said men take all the good jobs for themselves.

the problem i see with women like that is they project their own insecurites onto the next generation. cuz this woman has never been interested in science AT ALL. now shes a hair stylist and likes what she does. the irony is she hates herself for liking a feminine job. its the strangest contradiction ever.

maybe freud was right about women wanting to be men haha ill never understand that crazy bitch

Sure. Here's the argument stream I use:

1) Assuming leftist definitions:

2) A person's sex exists.
XY, XX.
Abberation from the norm is
a) not reproductively capable
b) not statistically significant

3) As per biology, a person's chromosomes define traits:
XX) female development of body
XY) male development of body

4) The brain is part of the body.
XX) optimized for grey matter; longitudinal thinking; social strategy; empathy
XY) optimized for white matter; lateral thinking; logical summation; sympathy

5) Your concept of self and your social interactions are effected by the structure of your brain
a) male infants focus on objects (sympathy) female on faces (empathy)
b) males are more spatially aware therefore physically agressive
females are more socially aware therefore socially agressive

5.5) Quick definition: sympathy- understanding something from the outside characteristics it has/produces
ex. physics: velocity z is distance y interacting with time x on a object that has experienced acceleration w
empathy- understanding something from the internal characteristics is has/ produces
ex. politics: This person will choose z because they feel y and that causes a blindness to choosing x in w percent of occassions I know

6) Various other genes may impact brain development, creating a variation in brain types
a) one woman may be more masculine/sympathetic in thought than one man and vice versa
b) however en masse males have more masculine thought, being optimized for it
c) autism = extreme sympathy = more in boys
d) sociopathy = extreme empathy = more in girls
e) there exist men more masculin/sympathetic in thought than any woman
f) there exist women more feminine/empathetic in thought than any man

7) If brains are in spectrum but bodies are polar
a) all humans are objectively equal in value
b) our physionomy is optimized for reproduction
c) therefore, one must follow body, not mind, to reproduce
d) therefore, gender = sex

8) Wasting time debating one's gender/brain variation
a) fails to allow you to benefit your society as your brain is optimized for: makes you seek "what am I" instead of "why"
b) fails to allow you to benefit your society as your body is optimized for: makes one destroy what they have rather than use what they have to create further
c) is a net negative to self and society

9) When one cannot accept themselves as they are, externally and internally
-destroy your genitalia
-cause mental harm upon yourself
-cause mental harm to social surroundings
-impart this mindset upon children, lowering quantity of functional self-accepting people in society
therefore removes ability to sucessfully reproduce

10)Therefore arguing about sex vs gender or modifying the body to suit internal dissonace is a net destructive act
a) removes ability to produce something for society/self (as you are busy angsting)
b) removes your ability to reproduce successfully in terms of society/self

Short form: What happened to self acceptance? Is your sex/physical body not part of your self? Why does your gender matter when the sum of a person's happiness come from the good things thry have brought to the world? If worrying about gender causes mental illness and depression how is it a good thing?

t. XX

self-evident to most anyone with common sense

The whole feminist ideology is based on hate (not in the beginning with suffrage, which was a fair enough complaint even though it turned out to be a mistake). Feminists either hate men or both men and themselves. Funnily enough, MGTOW are exactly the same.

I have 4 kids, 2 boys and 2 girls.
When the boys were younger they tended to gravitate to boy toys. Even though they weren't really rough, outdoorsy boys. They liked building, puzzles, cars, dinosaurs etc.
On occasion they'd follow their mother round cleaning or helping to cook, one of them used to ask for nail polish and make up.
We didn't make a big deal about it and surprise, they're both very cis 12 and 14 year olds. They just wanted to be like their mother who was the centre of their universes at the time.
I think this is where a lot of this bullshit comes from. Little boys just copying the adult they have the most contact with.

Later on we had 2 girls. 4 year old is the weirdest kid. She's super athletic but obsessed with being beautiful. She lives in dresses and fancy shoes. She's learnt to flirt into getting her own way instinctively. She cries at the drop of a hat and runs to me for safety. She spends every Saturday afternoon in a tutu with her grandfather working on his truck.
Baby girl is just an asshole that bites people and throws things at the moment so I don't know yet.

Tldr: if you just leave kids alone, they'll settle into their biological gender. Some cross over doesn't mean they're Trans. If you start interfering the second a boy picks up a purse, you're going to have a weirdo on your hands.

That argument doesn't really hurt transexuals though. The idea of people modifying their bodies to become more ideal has never been a bad thing. Men are born skinny and work out to build muscle. Women who have a proclivity to gain weight change their diet and burn fat with exercise.

These changes aren't modifying the body in an irreversible, fundamental way. A muscular man can become weak again, a toned woman can become flabby again. They are also approaching their form as an "ideal man/woman." The difference is the tranny's body is male or female, and they aren't attempting to improve it in that way. Cutting off your dick doesn't bring you closer to being an ideal woman, it just makes you less of an ideal man.

Move away from the idea of "this is normal, everyone wants to change their bodies." Emphasize "this change will not give you the result you want."

Don't give them ideas.

The concept that really needs to be addressed is that social constructs are easier to get rid of than physical constructs. A building can be burned down, but ridding the entire world of their deeply held beliefs and ideals?!? Downright impossible. Even if you rid the US of their social constructs, there's still the rest of the world, and try ridding a bunch of third-world, goat-fucking, mud-hut-dwelling savages of their concepts of gender and sex when we can't even convince Indians to poo in the loo instead of on the streets. The idea of ridding the world of social constructs is laughable and should be treated as such.

This.

The correct term is "sex". Sex is a fact, don't discuss gender but rather discuss sex.

The origin of gender identity should suffice to debunk it.

Hjernevask - Brainwashing (Eng Sub) Part 1 - The Gender Equality Paradox

March 1, 2010

100% this. Normal kids raised under normal conditions turn out normal pretty much every single time.

Here is the argument I use in conversations, it's very simple and can be explained in under 2 minutes (literally ask the person to have an open mind and give you two uninterrupted minutes to explain your position, almost everyone will agree):

I don't believe that gender is a social construct because that's fundamentally a an unbelievable proposition. Think for a moment about what that means: we can agree that biological sex entails quite literally bombarding your body with hormones 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and which hormones have effects as drastic as muscle mass, hair growth, voice pitch, and breast development. When you say that gender is a social construct, you're saying that this daily dose of hormones has ZERO effect on brain structure and/or psychology, and does NOTHING to explain behavioral differences between men and women. Such a claim flies in the face of common sense for the reasons I just explained as well as mountains of scientific evidence that hormones do effect behavior and psychology, for example in bodybuilders who use hormonal steroids.

I have forced numerous people to admit at the very least that biology is a factor in gender using this.

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what is a social construct?

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"Alex Blumberg interviews Griffin Hansbury, a feminist woman who became a trans-gender and took testosterone. This resulted in her discovering how it feels to be a man. The experience cause so much change in her that she even was called a misogynist."

source
watch?v=4BH31o2puwg
thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/220/testosterone?act=2#play

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Yup, that's exactly what it is. People joke about the false god equality, but that's exactly what libshits have trained themselves to believe in while they spit on christians and odinists.

4 year olds are retarded. They'll ask you to cut a sandwhich into triangles then cry because they really wanted squares. They are in no way qualified to decide their gender.

It's never the kid, anyway. It's the parent (usually the mother) pulling a variation on the ol' Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy, only instead of killing the kid for attention, they're mutilating them for attention.

There's an old greentext I wish I would have saved. It was written by a guy who was going to transition, but, at the 11th hour, found his way to Holla Forums and got his eyes opened fast as fuck. When he told the docs he'd changed his mind, they started trying to talk him back into it.

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Tell the faggot who made the original picture to fix their fucking spelling.

Pic related.

d) sociopathy = extreme empathy = more in girls
are you sure?

Read Mein Kampf, faggot.

To contribute to the actual subject, I feel it isn't so much that females are being raised wrong, but that their genetically behind, in terms of evolution, in comparison to males. A proper solution to this obvious inequality would be a worldwide eugenics program to bring only the best of their kinds into the next generations.

NEXT!

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shit thread
entertaining leftist degeneracy, ever.
implying we need to debunk faggotry or jewish propaganda

we need to have a thread on tying knots in ropes, and identifying stout tree branches. If an oak tree branch has diameter x, how much dead-weight can it support ?

what temperature does wood burn at?

How do we win?

It's not just children who prefer gender specific toys. Monkey's do as well.

If you put male and female monkeys in a cage with a bunch of children's toys, the male monkeys will play with the male toys and the female monkeys will play with the female ones.

Proof:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/

watch related.

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Expanding upon this, it's difficult in general to convince people who's ideology consists of them undermining their own ability to understand concepts. People who say race/gender are social constructs, are not simply wrong, they've convinced themselves that genetics does not exist, they no longer have the mental framework to accept the existence of evidence that contradicts them, let alone be able to evaluate it's validity. You can't reason with them because they've made themselves incapable of comprehending reason, much like how you cannot reason with an anthill about it's Communist tendencies, it lacks the ability to recognize such facts despite embodying them. The only option is to shame and humiliate them, which is what our culture used to do automatically before the jews destroyed it.

Just shut up you fag.

There is a discussion to be had about what makes a male into a man, and what makes a female into a woman, but it basically boils down to what we already know about gender roles, that they stem from our evoloutinary requirments. Both men and cucks are males, but men live up to their gender roles through physical and emotional strength, technical skills to provide for himself and family, and his domination of the women in his life; the cuck is not this. Meanwhile both women and sluts are females, but the woman sticks her man and follows his commands, and bears and raises his children.

But given that gender has become so politically entwined with degeneracy, I think it's better to abandon the word entirely and go back to using the word sex and sex roles.

"Gender" is a social construct. It doesnt exist. There are two sexes.

Gender is a biological fact. But let's take the… How do I even name it? Liberal? Marxist? Stupid? I'll just callnit subjectivist. Let's take the subjectivist theory, which separates gender and sex, with sex being the biological value and gender being the "social construct". So, we have to assume a few things:

1. Sex is binary. Yes, hermaphrodites exist. Those are called genetic aberration. This is why massively malformed animals are not considered new species. Phenotype is a highly sensitive expression of the sum of the genotype, and when it comes to sex, in humans, only two variants are viable: Male and female. Therefore, sex is binary.

2. Attempts at saying gender does not have a definition are self-contradictory. Though it can be difficult to define certain things properly, as shown by Diogenes thousands of years ago, refusing to even attempt a definition is intellectual dishonesty, especially when said thing is an idea. So, we must turn to those who define gender, and they usually define it as the social expectations associated to a sex. However, as sex is binary, so is gender.

3. Lastly, some might bring up that individuals of a sex might not act as expected of it, thus their gender does not match their sex. And the fact that a person can exhibit traits of one gender and traits of another may lead one to believe that gender is a spectrum. However, what this really does is weaken the idea of gender as a whole. If it isn't binary, if it is a spectrum, then it loses its connection to sex. And if it has no connection to sex, then it is merely a disconnected, meaningless and abstract construct. You might as well define people based on which fruits they like or not. Furthermore, this proves that the idea of gender cannot be used to claim transgenderism is anything but a delusion: As the "transgender" believe themselves to be of the opposite sex, yet gender is supposedly unrelated to it, the whole argument breaks down. Furthermore, the fact that social expectations vary with cultures shows that gender can never have an objective existence.

Conclusion: Sex is binary. The definition of gender as being separate from sex and being tied to social expectations placed upon individuals makes its existence as a separate idea redundant.

QED

Except "gender" IS a social construct
In the sense that it doesn't exist, it was invented by leftist pedos as a tool to deny biological sex
If you use the word gender unironically you are a low-IQ useful idiot

Gender is the equivalent of "race isn't real", but for sex.
Stop being a kike stooge anglos

Fucking this. Look into John Money, the kike-psychiatrist who invented "gender" as a way to legitimize his pedophilia and not get v& for kidfucking and forced-incest

This is what happens when you take emotions and involvement out of the sexual equation. When sex is just for fun, almost anything is permitted. The idea that pedophilia is wrong stems entirely from the fact that kids do not have the mental maturity to have serious relationships. Remove that and sex is just rubbing against each other until we cum, and what's wrong with that, right?

This is what always struck me in biology class when learning about sexual selection, that in other animals there's a huge selection pressure on the males to be genetically fit, but none whatsoever on the females, they just have to show up and get fucked by the alpha male. So naturally this applies to humans as well, men evolved since we compete with other men, women used the pussy pass to avoid evolution.

1. Evolution is not a progression scale.
2. Women carry the same genome as men.

Nature does all the heavy lifting for you: if you're not fit to breed then you'll like starve to death. We don't live completely that way though (at least anymore) so the stupid do end up breeding. This is why your pretense of acting scientific looks fucking retarded to me.

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I don't think it's that far fetched. Males and females doing certain things because "it's always been like that" or "because they're born like that" is not really an explanation. Hormones vary vastly and they can change a lot due to a social environment. Vegans are more likely to have estrogen due to soy food. At the same time people that may eat a lot of testosterone full food are likely to have their body increase in that amount. Then there's things like your implied behavior and what's it's connected to. Females and males are heavily stereotyped so if a male perceives they are acting more feminine, their body may induce more estrogen. While not fully, the environment can change a person's biology. Of course, there's also the likelyhood that it doesn't. That's really the issue in these sorts of debates. How much of it is caused by other people and how much of it is genes? Because both are just as likely to happen and both have very common cases.

Now if I had to criticize the subject "gender studies" itself, I'd have to say this. A subject that wants a scientific claim in social field does not resolve "social issues". Gender equality or inequality are social issues. But how they function, what are their stereotypes, what causes them and how they were created is a different story. It's important to note that the strong male-female setup was first more biological and as tribal life came it gained social meanings. That can go further since some sociologists theorize that the first currency out there were in fact women as offerings between tribes. The social roles were there set.

Gender Studies is probably the subject of issue. Maybe eventually sexes will equal out if the ratio of social to genetic changes where the social becomes predominant and thus also makes those that are born from the genetic side, follow the now changed genes. The exact opposite can also happen where by enforcing the social stereotypes, the genetics become predominant (although this can also be seen as the dominance of social effects again).

And the issue of equity between genders did come at an interesting time. The strong stereotype chain was completely broken off last century. Men were going to war and women would have to help produce weapons and keep the wellbeing of the nations going to war. It was desired for women to actually work in factories, like in Nazi Germany.

About the toys thing, I'm not really sure how far animal social systems can really go. But for humans, since a child's birth, it's already set to specific stereotypes by the name alone. Their parents and other adults teach them what they should wear, how they should act. The media that is meant to be consumed by them tries to also determine what they should be interested in. However, this doesn't always work and things like Bronys and Weaboos are a perfect example of how this so called "strong cultural factor" or by people who believe the biological is dominant, the "obvious male and female interests" aren't quite just and always working.

If you do want to change things for the better, remove Gender Studies as a subject though. It is unscientific and is political. By trying to destroy gender stereotypes, they simply atomize individuals further and further to the point where they become too easy to control and too hard to change. People staying around the middle where they are still individuals but also still a part of a larger group seems like a good balance.

And yet one more criticism to Gender Studies. When they focus on trying to make males "deprivileged" they also empower the female gender and eventually end up repeating the same stereotypes but for female-male instead where the males are always stupid and weak while women have always been smarter and stronger. It's not even that these people seek equality. They don't understand it but what they're doing makes the world more and more unequal for everyone.

Stay away women! No girls allowed!

This, unfortunately. Liberal SJW's are the kinds of people who will force-feed their cat vegetables because they think cats should be vegetarians. No amount of fact based evidence will change their minds, because their minds are not healthy and well.

They are sick. They are sick with a mental disease called liberalism. They do not need convincing. They need medicine and therapy.

So many didgets of truth! Trannys will get the rope, Kek wills it!

It's terrifying that people still consider his 'work' as anything more than a personal fetish/perversion which he pursued using science and psychiatry etc simply as a masquerade to hide his criminal actions.

Nigger, words are a social construct. Having a mom is a social construct. "Social construct" is commiespeak for outdated+irrelevant or "spook" and it therefore needs to be destroyed.

The sex-gender distinction isn't technically correct or incorrect, despite whatever people on the right or left may say.

This is what we call a semantic dispute.

i.e. While most everyone agrees that sex is defined by certain traits involving the sex organs, leftists argue that the existence of a the sexual binary by no means necessitates that humans subscribe to the norms associated associated with their sex (what they call gender).

ofc, the leftists go so far as to insinuate that sex has nothing to do with gender (clearly retarded double-think) and that people 'should' oppose the gender-binary (which may or may not be good for the culture-there is obv disagreement here as well)

This.

There is no debunking the claim. The only thing to do is to deconstruct the term 'social construct' so as to reveal the extent to which its current usage in pleb discourse rests on the naturalistic fallacy

There you go user, both of these are femitard statements and they both contradict each other
If people can be born the wrong gender, then gender is not a social construct but if it is, then trannys are either brainwashed or mentally ill
You don't need to much effort top debunk femitard bullshit, most of the time they debunk themselves

Polite sage cus not only has this kind of shit been debunked a thousand timesbefore but because this could be debunked by anyone who has had to listen to a femitard talk for more than 5 minutes

Did some one say smash the matriarchy?

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I don't think it even needs to be debunked. People don't really believe it. They've just convinced themselves the moral thing to do is entertain the delusions of crazy people. Set them right on that issue, and everything else will fall into place.

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Homosexuality is caused by an absent mother and maladjusted (generally overbearing, instruive, domineering) mother.

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The Manipulate Man is mostly Jewish lies imo.

It pathologises normal sexual relations and gender roles and even suggests that they're paedophilic.

Pot this is kettle, you're a nigger

SHOO SHOO GLOBALIST JEW

He anchored it because of you. This was a thread to discuss logical retorts to the concept of gender as a social construct. You instead began spamming your stupid fucking charts and image macros like a sperg. As:

A) The discussion had already provided many constructive insights and

B) It had devolved into you spamming your bullshit,

there just wasn't a reason to keep it going. Locking it was unnecessary, but when one person just keeps bumping the same thread again and again, it's time for an anchor.

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Who let Holla Forums post here?