Trump is very focused on bringing back manufactuering...

Why does everyone on Holla Forums and Holla Forums assume conversation and criticism is being a shill? If you are so educated on the subject explain how an increasing rate of automation is not a threat.

You just answered your own question retard. How do we "bring back" manufacturing? Investing in automation. Automation only makes manufacturing more efficient. Is there supposed to be some sort of D&C conflict here?

I'm all for conversation and criticism, but like I said it feels we have this thread all the time and it's always the same arguments and people appearing within. Since you do seem genuinely interested my stance is thus:

Automation can be used to supplement labor where it is required (like something stupid dangerous). This is using it responsibly to help people. However, like any good thing kikes and people who just want to make money will use it to lower costs no matter what. Replacing workers with robots is bad for the people, and leads to a lot of bad things.

Actual automation is a meme our generation wont live to see. This is coming from a goy who has programmed Fanuc industrial robots.

You have to literally "teach" the robot every single position and step, and do extensive amounts of programming and testing to get it to perform the most basic tasks.

This is only effective if you want the thing to do the same few steps over and over and over and over and over again, basically a replacement for 0.10 shekel/hour Chinese slaves. Of course this is a gorillion times more expensive than Chinese sweat shop slaves since one of these fucking robots alone costs something around $100,000 shekels. Never mind the cost of having an engineer program it, technicians maintaining it, and operators running them all day. All of which are $80,000 - $200,000 shekel a year jobs.

These braindead leftists see robots on an automotive assembly line, which the company has invested countless millions of shekels into and think "great, now we dont need factory jobs and we will have (((basic income))) gibs for sitting on our asses all day". What these morons don't comprehend is that they robots don't fall from the sky and have AI that automatically know how to do what ever you tell it to do.

I browse every day and have not seen a thread about automation in quite a while.

But how does having automated manufacturers benefit someone who needs a job?

By physically purging those not capable to find a job.

How did industrial revolution help NEETs?

This is a really good point, but many companies win the US are preferring to invest in robots over human workers. Admittedly many of these jobs are low skill, but they do lead to unemployment. How can we deal with these displaced workers?

…by making goods and services cheaper for everyone and by saving businesses money. Only people who are cull-level retards can only get jobs that can be simply replaced with automation.
Listen close: WE'LL NEVER OUTPACE CHINAS SLAVES. You can put tariffs on goods from China and all the other slave-labor countries but in the end all this really does is drive up the prices on goods and fuck the American consumer over. The only way to beat the chinks (and other slave lovers) at this game is to price their slaves out of the market - i.e. automation. There will be no more "outsourcing" manufacturing b/c it will all be done in the US with robots.

What if you cannot find a job? I am not saying that it isn't a solution, but would you and your family be willing to make the sacrifice for the greater good?

As soon as driverless cars become the norm, truck drivers will inevitably suffer.

The only jobs that won't suffer are the bespoke trades.

so what? the point is not that they will replace all workers, the point is they will replace a high number of them

the technology is also progressing rapidly outside of factory robots

Good luck automating asteroid mining crews. By the time shekelberg builds his robots a whole new universe of jobs will open up.

Move. Start a business. Learn a new trade. Fucking kill yourself. Take your pick.

My family are all leftist cucks. Do as you want with them.

What happened to all the buggy-makers when cars came around? What happened to all the bank tellers when ATMs came around? What happened to sword smiths when guns became common? They didn't just fucking die or have nothing to do, they got a different job.

Admittedly by the time it is worth it to mine asteroids mining robots will probably be a thing.

But can everyone afford to start a business that can compete with many automated business? Maybe some artisan stuff…

For fucks sake. Hazlitt has refuted this idea 50 years ago.

Henry Hazlitt
Saturday, August 01, 1964
steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap07p1.html

This. And the buggys and swords that you can buy today are better than they've ever been.

it will still bring some amount of work, and also wealth in general from taxes

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the same thing was said when farming was becoming more and more efficient/automated –we don't necessarily know what the jobs of the future are going to be

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Is it possible the rate at which tech is improving is faster than previously in human history? Could this result in a shock to the value of labor?

this is my goal

The rate at which tech is improving is without a doubt faster than previously in history but I don't see how that's supposed to be a net negative for labor. Again, think about all the jobs computers replaced. Have computers devastated the labor market? Or have they opened up massive new opportunities for the labor market? It's the same thing with automation/AI.

Funny thing about the swords. Decent to high grade swords run you the same price as a gun. And despite the low skill thing still end up being there. Except it's not just placing screws on an engine mount, it will probably end up in to the office doing data entry.

well one thing which is pretty certain is that these new jobs will require a high amount of education (formal or otherwise)

incoming spergs

It seems like a lot of the displaced workers he is referring to went to low skill jobs. What if the number of low skill jobs is greatly reduced due to the efficency or robots and the number or robots compared to previous production revolutions?

data entry sounds like something that has a high probability of being automated

It is silly to think everyone can achieve that level of education.

History. Every paradigm shift in labor in which humans were outclassed by new technology did not collapse society. Today and tomorrow will not be different. As one door closes, another opens. Economic opportunities that were not feasible in one era appear in another.

Is cheaper cost of living a bad thing? Throughout the entirety of human history, we have increased our wealth per hour of labor. Come the Industrial Revolution, it increased exponentially. You may not feel it because you're buying things that would be impossible to own even fifty years ago but it's true. Live frugally and you'll understand how easy it is.

Unemployment is a complicated consequence with many causes but most of them are politically charged. Automation is not the only cause. There's also minimum wage and regulations increasing overhead. There are immigration laws that game the system and allow immigrants to legally work for less than citizens.

yep

Why don't we just create some neural link from humans to computer networks which will allow just about anyone to sell their brain's processing power?

The fallacy you're making is assuming everything stays the same and only manufacturing jobs are replaced by automation. Wide-spread automation of nearly all low-skilled labor will require large advances in AI and robotics. Those advances will bring other drastic changes to the economy (outside of their effects on manufacturing, labor, etc.) so we can't even really have that conversation because we can't anticipate the entire economic environment at the time.

Because the brain is a shitty processor and we basically have zero idea how it works.

Compared to what? Today's super computers we aren't if we go by calculations per second. And that's only with 10% or whatever the meme is of the brain that's used.

Does Hazlitt ever go into why there are more workers? The arguments are sound on the surface but all he does is provide raw numbers and say "lol fallacy"

That and he assumes that anything that improves labor is automation. The automation we are seeing isn't supplementing ones ability to work, but rather a total replacement of labor by machines.

Agreed on unemployment. Replacing workers with robots is not the only cause. Also, what the hell does cost of living have anything to do with what I said?

Daily reminder that high levels of automation requires shitloads of capital. If this capital has high interest rates, it is cheaper for the company to employ people for the same work. However, as the kosher banking cartel imposed zero to negative interest rates over the past few years, automation became so popular because they are paying very small interest rates.

When the interest rates rise, this trend will break by half.