Nazbol is a right wing ideology and not allowed on leftypol

If only that were still the case.

Nazbol is just trying hard to achive socialism in one country at least.
Liberals ain't even trying that…

If socdems, nihlists and mutualists are allowed on Holla Forums then so are nazbols

Holla Forums is what happens when you take getchan seriously.

They are the only one's with succesfull practise of all leftists idealogys, whats so bad about them?

Nice dubs

Why can't I be a leftist in all I hate niggers? They are just too much trouble and hold the left back.

This is what AnFems must feel

Define right-wing. Nationalism was originally a left-wing ideology. Also I don't really care what symbols offend you.

That's very authoritarian of you comrade, sure you're not the fascist?

>>>/gulag/

They can only be successful when the rest of the world is a capitalist shithole that provides for them.

HITLER DUBS CONFIRM FASCISM
NOT MY COMRADE

Out of curiousity, assuming y'all aren't trolling, would you support wage labour if it's Blacks or some other ethnicity you don't like performing it?

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Ideology oriented towards tradition and order, especially traditional hierarchies and social institutions. Generally runs along the line of thought that there's some natural order that must be upheld.

Maybe in the 17th century, where it stood opposed to feudalism, but it quickly became a right-wing ideology with the decline and fall of feudalism.

It's not about what does or does not offend me. It's the fact that the Nazibols use imagery clearly associated with fascism and the far-right. The flag you're posting with is clearly just the Nazi flag with a hammer and sickle instead of the swastika.

I would prefer it if they didn't but that should be theur own issue in their countries.

Yes, how dare that fucking shill divide us against our far-right nationalist "comrades"

explain american classical conservatism, that's against the social institution that is the state and the monarchists. meanwhile you communists want more welfare and more regulations

Nazbols are cute :3

As long as they want the workers to control the means of production, why should anything else matter?

This is just more special snowflake bullshit.

IT'S TIME TO STOP

I'm living in a country which doesn't have blacks so I don't really care about them. And no wage labor should be outlawed. I also don't hate other ethnicities I just deny the cultural void and materialism in which most communists believe in. I think multiculturalism is cancer and the literal end of culture and art. People identify with in-groups outside of material conditions and I believe the nation state is an appropriate organic body to represent this necessity.

American lolberts want to go back to the 18th or 19th centuries before labour managed to earn the concessions of the 8 hour work day and an end to child labour. They're only against the state inasfar as it gets in the way of porky's money. As soon as it turns into an issue of breaking strikes and protecting their 🍀🍀🍀private property🍀🍀🍀 you'll see them turn right back around and endorse the state or state-like organisms that defend their interests. They are reactionaries in the purest sense of the word.

we can say the same thing about libertarian leftists. you're only against the state as far as it hurts the capitalists (which isnt really true btw, big corps love more regulations and taxes to weed out small local businesses and eliminate competition), while you support welfare programs that hurt the working class AND sustains the evil capitalist system that you're so much against. i dont get commies sometimes

The "in-group" you identify with is already a mixture of other cultures throughout history. Admitting that you are spooked does not validate your spooks.

What would you do about people who voluntarily choose to cohabit with individuals of other ethnicities? What if someone from your ethnicity marries someone from an outside ethnicity?

It's clear you don't know the first fucking thing about what socialism or communism are. You should probably fix that before you try to argue against or refute them. Welfareism isn't a commie thing, it's a socdem, liberal or Keynesian thing.

In the popular American consciousness, in some legendary part of America's past, most areas of that country were nearly stateless (a common belief is that the most anyone ever saw of the federal government was the post office). American conservatives and lolberts are motivated by a desire to return to that legendary past.

Also, for them, lolberts especially, the free market constitutes a large part of the "natural order". In fact, a good majority of the arguments for free market economics from American conservatives are appeals to nature.

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utter trash, me boyo.

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So when a socialist country oppresses reactionary movements, they are right-wing?

You are wrong on all accounts. Nationalism was still a left-wing movement in 1848, did you know Marx supported the revolutions there?

You seem to be massively spooked about the right-left-dichotomy. Nationalism has something to do with self-determination of the people, people that may be connected through class, culture or ethnicity. Original reactionaries tried to undermine nations, national conservatism (which is the sort of right-wing ideology that people always think about) wasn't a really thing before 1918. You shouldn't simplify things, since I'm sure you would also agree that American liberalism is vastly different from European liberalism?

Nowadays, we can see a conflation between nationalists and "alternative" leftists as they are both seem to be opposed to free trade agreements and general neoliberal globalism since it takes away the self-determination of the people.

That being said I consider myself a leftists
and I believe the surplus extraction of wagelabor needs to be stopped at all costs - which I believe doesn't seem to be a priority for most Holla Forums users.

Most Nazi symbolism was hijacked from the left and workers movements. And also, sometimes communist movements would hijack fascist aesthetics.

Stopping the stupid pull-effects that are put in place by your liberal masters that cause massive immigration from the Third World in order to perpetuate mass wageslavery would be enough. As far as I can recall, the USSR wasn't lax on border control either.

Don't really care since it would be marginal if there was immigration control, the end of all wage labor and a stop to the constant cuck propaganda on TV and shit.

And? Because something evolved by conflating itself with another thing in an organic way, people should not have the right to preserve what they like? You can only have the abolishment of private property and wage labor if you at the same time advocate the leveling of all culture by a technocratic government? Also, how the fuck is "class" not an in-group by itself as well?

Isn't Nazbol basically Stalinism?

Arent they just nazis but without the racism?

What the hell is Nazbol?

You're possibly the first person intelligent enough to know this I've met so far on this board. And most of the internet really.

The people shall not fall for the globalist schemes of piggies to pad their pockets. Those are OUR factories, BRING THEM HOME.

Civic nationalism is cool but ethno-nationalism is reactionary.

Class is an "in-group", especially upper classes. You might've missed the part where the goal is the abolition of classes, not the preservation of them.

This guy seems racist.

Communism and Socialism are inherently racist. I'm not just talking about what the working class have said and still says or things like The Jewish Question or Che's hatred of niggers or and Pol Pot's ethnic genocide or Mao and Lenin's well… Should I continue? Even Stalin had homosexual executed and they didn't really outlaw racism whatsoever. Look how mongoloids were treated in the Soviet Union or the Soviet Army during WWII.

Modes of production do not have personal opinions about races you dunce

You are going to have a hard time drawing the line there. Either it incites people or it doesn't. Also there is quite a grey area between liberal kumbaya patriotism and radical ethno-nationalism.

I'm for the abolition of classes insofar as they are representing a illegitimate system of unjustified power distribution. When the nobles became court sycophants instead of a warrior class (with which their social role was originally legitimized with), the French Revolution got rid of them. The same should happen to useless capitalist shareholders.

However, I believe people will always be different and diverse, and it is important to recognize where uneuqal distribution of power and prerogatives is unjustifiable but not trying to dismantle every superstructure there is.

It's quite retarded to apply Marxist theory, which is empirical, to non-material superstructures like gender, ethnicity or culture - one of the reasons people hate the left btw.

You know what reactionaries are, right? Insurgent reactionaries are called "counter-revolutionaries" for a reason.

Because it was a revolution against the still-largely-feudal status quo in Germany at the time. Nationalism is "left-wing" in comparison to feudalism.

You see, fellow leftists, I can't spout your- I mean our memes too!

Nationalism is in no way the only or best way to create self-determination.

Because they were feudalist. Society has moved forward from that point. Now nationalism is reactionary.

No, they're pretty much the same, except maybe that liberalism seems to refer strictly to social liberalism in American political newspeak.

And the similarities end there.

You say that, and then in this post you spout an anti-immigrant meme based purely on the commodification of labor, and thus wage system.

Are you going to put in miscegenation laws or discriminate immigration based on ethnicity? It's reactionary Nazi tier ethno-nationalism.

No, it really isn't if you're referring to diamat. There are lots of ways you can pick out how patriarchy or slavery benefited the owners of the MOP.

You don't have to dismantle every superstructure, I very rarely see Marxist say this. Most Marxist don't care because in Marxist theory superstructure is subservient to the economic base.

But if you wanted to come off as a level headed guy who isn't unhealthily emotionally invested in reactionary bullshit, you shouldn't of started the thread with "lol da niggers r to much truble", Holla Forums drivel

You just demonstrated beautifully why Nazibols are right-wingers.

I was asking a rethorical question. Would you deny that socialist countries won't have orders and traditions of their own? Your definition of right-wing was childish, that was all.

You just don't know your shit and apply definitions to stuff that would make historians vomit. First off France wasn't feudalist in 1848 but pretty much bourgeoisie second off do you even know what "feudalism" means? It's a system of social organistion that is opposed to the institutionalized territorial state by relying on personal relations and dependency between vassals and overlords by granting fiefs. None of these elements still existed in 1848, let alone 1918 (where nationalism would still be considered leftist when you look at Austria-Hungary).

No comment

top fucking kek, if you have simple immigration laws that are based on merit you won't need those because nature seems to be even more racist.

This is a 19th century meme, modern capitalism doesn't work like that, quite the opposite since it recognizes the potential of introducing women to the work force or make them act as capitalists.

Yeah whatever dude. It's not like the material conditions in these countries are responsible for why the people are how they are.

I never said it was like that now. I just said you can analyze why they were the way they were then using Diamat and you can still do that now.

And blacks occupied a distinctive class in the United States up until the 1970's and to a degree still do.

I don't necessarily deny that to an extent, and I would totally abolish all sweatshops and Third World wageslavery. I don't think you'd believe that this action alone would right away fix Africa and all the other shitholes.

No obviously not but it would help. Nationalism isn't bad as long as capitalism is around but when worldwide socialism is achieved I think we can move away from it.

Yes, and it the task of socialism to overcome or transcend those orders and traditions, and move forward to a new system in disregard for them.

It was a monarchy, and its revolution was largely anti-monarchist.

Which was essentially the private property of the Hapsburgs, essentially the last vestiges of the old feudal order in Europe.

And all of this is very much beyond the point. Even if nationalism played a progressive role a fucking century ago, this is not even remotely the case today.

Are you denying this.

Stop this.

Just because there is a monarch doesn't mean it's feudalism. Louis Philippe was literally called "King of the Bourgeoisie" and was basically a liberal. Again you are just showing off your historical illiteracy

Just because you repeat something doesn't mean it's true. Our corporate neoliberal leaders forming some sort of global feudal elite in their own way, and I don't see why leftist nationalist movements are an antagonist to that?

Well fucking yes. One is some sort of SocDem bastardization with welfare and shit the other one pretty much classical national economics or half-arsed lolberts.

I didn't say it was feudalism. I said the revolution in France was largely anti-monarchist, which it was. Nationalism as a progressive force was largely in Germany and Italy, where it stood to challenge the old feudal order. In France the revolution was to restore the republic. Any nationalist element, at that point, no longer played any progressive role.

This is pure contrarianism. Just because it might hurt global capital doesn't make it leftist. If anything, most forms of modern nationalism are just an attempt to restore a former order, making them, by definition, reactionary.

Burgerstan liberals are not nor ever were SocDem. They just have slightly more support for the welfare state than the Republicans, but their most direct analogue in Europe are actually the conservative parties (in fact, European conservative parties might be too SocDem for the Democrats).

There are elements of satire and none satire.

But as we all know satire is intended to make comment on the real…… or do we?

Are you all really retarded?

Marxist Leninism discovered to not be socialism

Holla Forums started as satire

Then, as they say, "Those who have fun by pretending to be idiots will in time be joined by genuine idiots who mistakenly believe they're in good company."

And as those idiots have spread, bringing more and more naive proletarians under their spell, we, Holla Forums, have risen to the challenge of defeating them, at a time when the bulk of the left refuses to admit that Holla Forums constitutes any threat whatsoever, even as the evidence stares them in the face.

I have been banned from other left-wing forums, venues, and IRC channels for attempting to sound the alarm about this new, virulent strain of fascism. People who are stuck in old ways of thinking cannot concieve of the internet as being the societal lynchpin it has become. The possibility of a chinese macromet forum growing into the war room of the enemies of the proletariat is simply impossible for them to believe.

But our generation, who was born at the internet's inception, and have come to maturity along with it, we understand that it represents the ability for the first time for the working class all over the world to think and act as one. It is therefore left to us to bring the class struggle into cyberspace. A victory here would be a major blow against the tyranny of capital, and I do believe that We. Will. Be. Victorious!

You're fighting a losing battle user, most of a physically stronger

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Nazbol is basically Eurasianism/Duginism without the religious Orthodox bullshit and actually socialist.

Note sure yow soviet union goijg reactionary is relevant here

Huh? Which "mongoloids" centeal asian troops weren't exactly segregated but they might have not been used as front line troops as much aftrr 1943 or 44 (other people claim they were front line troops in the forst positions)

Also, the Soviet Union did outlaw racial discrimination

What exactly did lenin or mao do which was racist?

What are you talking about? Nazism is the ultimate expression of socialism.

I don't know about owning the means of production, but the workers should have a stake in it. Wage labor is the heart of the issue.

Wage labor is just a part of the issue.

>inherently racist
>inherently racist

Nowadays the only true radical stance is a pro-racist anti-capitalist stance.

Pajeet the scab and Tyrone the lumpen will be purged along with the bourgouise. Do you deny this?

Also I remember here even people pulling a #notallmuslims. Seriously? Why can't we resist the liberal notion that Muslims deserve equal treatment without question?

A radical is pragmatic, and a clear anti Muslim stance is what we need to adopt. We also need to make it clear that we want to preserve people with colored hair and eyes and pale skin.

Not sure if sarcasm.

If you truly want to have socialism in one country (and never work towards communism), NazBol DOES make sense.
However most of us here want a utopian, communist world so NazBol doesn't make sense.

I said instead of just "white people" because I knew someone would ask "who's white?"

The rest isn't sarcastic though. Don't be a liberal, be a radical. Even if you feel it's wrong at first.

Out of curiosity, how did you turn into a NazBol?

You know theres white muslims right? Arguably like half the Muslim world is white

I think he is kinda spooked on the race thing.
If I was NazBol, I would support strong borders because I want socilaism in one country, not because "muh pure white race".
I mean even Stalin had no immigration policies based on race…

I realized the I couldn't ignore the reality of racial difference. Was raised in an extremely racist household. Rebelled against them and tried my best to make myself not racist. Also became an ancom

Later, I realized that I couldn't get rid of the hatred I felt towards literally any non white and I was sick of trying. And then the rise of the alt right helped me realise that I'm not alone and that I should accept myself as a racist and reality as racist.

But I still hate capitalism, so yeah.

Yeah. That's why you make it's practice illegal

You can still support immigration based on merit, tho. Don't be so spooked about people who look different to you. I mean, if immigrants are vaualable to your country you should let them in.

can someone explain what the nazbol idea is

like are they neo-nazis ? stalinists or what ?

I think they draw a lot of inspiration from Stalinism but they add some things from Alexander Dugin and his "Eurasian" idea.

"economically liberal and actually reactionary"

Aka the true dialectical position

Well, if wikipedia is to be cited as some valuable source:
National Bolshevism as a political movement combines elements of radical nationalism (especially Russian nationalism) and Bolshevism. It is often anti-capitalist in tone, and sympathetic towards certain forms of socialism (such as Stalinism and Maoism).

I think it's basically a Marxist-Leninist country which is kind of nationalistic(?). I'm not sure how to explain them tbh. 3rd position?

top kek m8
reactionaries can't handle my dialectics.

Holy shit! That wordfilter is fucking genius kek. Not even mad

so basically you're tankies but you want social conservatism ?

to what point ?

and how will you enforce it ?

do you really want to gulag all gays ? some are alright

Have fun trying to despook religious people, especially given i suspect youll probably be more dickish at it than eveb some communists were historcally.

Heh.

Just to point out: nazbol predated dugin being a major idea/philosopher. The guy who founded nazbol proper (limonov) apparently hung in the same circles as dugin (both children of nomenklatura who coild get access to forbidden shit and whatnot) thougb.

Also, eurasianism as an idea dates from post bolsbevik revolution russia. Russian emigres saw Russia as a hybrid civilization like Turkey, European and Asian. Furthermore, western/central european philosophers also saw Russia especially now that it went communist as an Asiatic power/state/civilization. Its part of why Hitler was soo ass paranoid about bordering Slavs. The were really mongol asians and not white people and therefore a threat to the white race, and the bolshevik revolution was lead by jews and asiatic types which purged the european white aristocracy.

Spengler claims something like that as does Hitler, and the counter currents people wrote something on that ("russian nationalism isnt white nationalism")

It means we are socialist in economic regards, advocate common ownership of the means of production and the abolishment of wage labor, and being socially and culturally national conservatives, defending the nation state, border control and the inherent culture.

I would not call us Stalinists, since Stalin distibguishes himself from us in cultural things, and also not Fascists, since we are definitely not corporatists.

"haha le pol are idiots"
Dude, can you seriously not differentiate serious from memes?
Are you this fucking autistic

"haha le challenge, we will be victorious xDD!!"

This isnt Holla Forums friend!

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if they weren't fucking morons they wouldn't be pol

Why do people buy into this thought terminating cliche? IQ is a stronger predictor of life outcomes than childhood SES, much stronger. It has a high genetic factor, several genes and gene allel pairs that increase/decrease IQ have been found. IQ correlates with various features of the brain, with stronger and weaker correlates, like brain size, relative region size etc. Psychometric is one of the few psychological fields that really have stood the test of time, despite being the extreme efforts to disprove and discredit it.

Humans evolved, different evolutionary pressures and gentic drift have created different races with differences in immune systems, bodies, brains, digestive systems etc. This anti-science ideology is non-sense

Rural Iowa has seriously strong unions, and probably the most legitimate leftists in the US.
Last year some maintence workers planned on striking at the start of this year and the factory manager fired every one of them right before Christmas with no negotiation and several thousand union workers from a 50 mile radius stood in the parking lot and threatened to kill him if he didn't reverse the decision.
I dont think its too late to hope for happy communism here.

Feels good

Go away, now.
Fucking Nazshits, if you live Russia, I sincerely hope the KPRF youth organization beats you to a pulp, you nazi faggot.
My fucking ancestors didn't die for this shit.

Buddy, calm down.
Internet Nazis aren't dangerous and can be ignored.
No need to raise your blood pressure over shitposting.

check'd
you're right probably

Duginism confirmed for Literally god-tier ideology

get the fuck out

we just have to call communism something different for it to be successful in america based on today's socioeconomic situation.

if we called communism "Democratic Workism" everyone in america would be on board once they learned the theory (which would just be the basic tenants of marxism).

or we could call it "labor freedomism"

point is everyone's pissed with the system right now (see trump/bernie popularity) and the only thing holding us back from a truly socialist revolution is bullshit red scare cold war propoganda. the "otherist" russians have fucked our minds

The mystery is solved! All we need to do is give those chimps bank accounts!

That's actually not a bad idea. In fact most people in the lower economic strata either don't have bank accounts, or have accounts that are relentlessly targeted by banks for a litany of fees which severely hamper their ability to save. One possible solution is to give everyone bank accounts via the USPS (in the example of America at least).

But good thinking. With bright young anons like you helping, we'll be in socialism in no time.

Why can't Holla Forums have more socialists like these?

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Just when you thought they couldn't get any dumber.

Ceaușescu era un idiot complet care și-a stricat țara și viețile cetățeniilor. Bagă-l-n pizda măsii.

you're just a capitalist shill

Then how come it's all your heroes who presided over capitalist states? Why didn't any of them implement socialism if they're the real socialists?

pls they were resisting US imperialism which is an important first step

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youtube.com/watch?v=lmM2g4xmViY

Dugin is great. I could definitely see The Fourth Political Theory being picked up by Muslim communists as its very core is a socialist system rooted in metaphysical understandings of culture.

Holla Forums evolved into post-ironic shitposting.

I barely read his forth position book but he might be overrated

CHECK THE FLAG

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What do Nazbols think of Pol Pot?

Never change leftypol, never change.

That's not true at all, for one, liberals aren't for the overthrow of capitalism and seizing the means of production.

And there's objectively nothing wrong with homosex.

Interesting guy, thought it was a mistake to attack Vietnam

Homosex is a Bourgeoisie agenda. Note how it's being legalized in capitalist countries but socialist countries like China and Cuba have anti LGBT laws.

youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4DWL3gQLI

Nazbols really do have the best bait.

homosex was illegal during Mao's China too
youtube.com/watch?v=m7QRPjBs-EA

is there an article I can read pertaining to this?

edggggggyyy

Why did you come to the conclusion that it was meh based on what you read?

Im a lazy piece of shit, so you should read it yourself. It just seemed…meh type stuff you'll notice yourself.

I should reread it, im not an expert. I did like some of the articles Dugin did and the interview with that Olavo guy (a bit).

Disregard my statements please if im not good on this. Cause im far from an expert in Dugin.

Also, from the interview Dugin did hes not exactly a communist. Hes a orthodox civilizationist. The fourth position is an amalgamation of communism, capitalism, and fascism.

"STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE"
OR ELSE

whoops, meant for
but it still kinda works tbh

You're full of shit. Vast majority of pedophilia is perpetrated by heterosexual men.

Those few sources of yours which aren't biased or methodologically flawed are instead disingenuously misrepresented. (The Canadian one, for example, what are the odds that the men who molest boys are all gay? Did you expect straight men to be the ones diddling boys? No, they're diddling girls.)

There is objectively nothing wrong with two or more consenting adults engaging in sexual activity.

IF I CANT HAVE SEX NOONE CAN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Dugin is based.
youtube.com/watch?v=ohc8Fs-X6gU

Are you sure it isn't Oklahoma?