Why art is bad

The quality of visual art (paintings and sculptures, as an example) has diminished. No one can negate that fact.
Canned shit is being treated like a masterpiece.

It is because the things that defined the value given to a piece, have shifted from the visual beauty said piece has and the effort that was done to achieve said beauty, to the meaning of the art piece, the backstory.

The value given to art was always based on visual beauty. The old greeks admired the human form, and tried to represent it perfectly. The famous paintings and sculptures that were done during the middle ages and the renaisance where of extremely good quality, being pleasant to the eye. The ability to depict reality as closely as posible was praised.

Even to someone that has not had interaction with the culture in which the pieces done following universal standards of beauty, the piece retains value, as it is based on visual aesthetics.

Now, however, it's based on the story, the meaning that the piece has. One great example is "the shoes on the danube". It has been praised as a great masterpiece. The sculpture itself is a collection of shoes sticked to the ground, in front of a river. Each pair of shoes is supposed to represent a victim of the nazis. To a person that doesn't know the context, it is merely a collection of shoes. The viewer has to know the story behind the piece to understand why its valuable. If the message, meaning, or story of the piece is not known, the viewer will see it as fucking trash.

If the pieces done following the rules I stated in the paragraph above, are presented to an allienated individual, it will certainly not be able to spot the source of praise.

That is why the standards have fallen so low, because meaning is praised more than beauty. That is why trash like an untouched canvas is sold by millions of dollars.
It gets even worse when the context is not shown. How can you spot the diference between a masterpiece and a pool of vomit? you can't. Only if you are told that one of those two identical pools of vomit is a thoughtful representation of human nature towards its own existance, and specifically told which one is it, you will be a ble to spot it. It holds no value of itself, the value is given by the viewer.

The conception that beauty is subjetive has also help to sink the quality of art in general. The idea that beauty is not a shared perception between every human, but a fluid concept that is aplied by the mind over an object, and that it changes depending on the person. It has been proved wrong, but that it has doesn't mean that it will stop being pushed by every form of media.


In short, if the context of a piece is striped from it, and then it holds no value, it had no value to start with.

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Agreed, but polite sage for not Holla Forums related.

Webm highly related

Very true. If Holla Forums gave a rat's ass about aesthetics they wouldn't mindlessly praise poorly-drawn bullshit like pic related just because it's vaguely in line with their agenda.

No. You're looking at things in the wrong order.

First an foremost, the philosophy that "everything is relative" is what caused this.

This is because finding objective truths is something difficult to do or even comprehend. So people take the easy way out and hang on the idea that everything is relative because they cant form value judgements without their ego being hurt.

If everything is relative everyone can be right.

People are fucking pussies.

but it is Holla Forums related user
fixing the art industry is a major step towards fixing the rest of western civilization

In terms of mainstream entertainment vidya is actually the highest form of art.

But it is like that.
The concept that beauty is subjective and that only meaning matters has fucked over art.

I live in a country in which (((art classes))) are enforced by the goverment. It is probably a money laundry, but it is also fucking shit.

I did an effort at first, drawing the best I could, but then I noticed that the ghetto kids where mostly playing and anoying other people, and still got approved. Then I gave up. The art class is a fucking joke. I can do absolutely nothing and pass. The final was about doing a sculpture about how opresed women are. I just glued two cardboards and still aproved.

Also, I couldn't get a point done, as the stupid kids would start yelling about how it doesnt matter.


And it's mostly women that are pushing for the destruction of the concept of universal beauty.

He makes a great argument.

This is the sixth time I have posted this Roger Scruton documentary, and I have become exceedingly efficient at it.

despite it having come from Holla Forums, a few of of those panels were actually visually appealing to me though many of them were just whatever or a little bad
the artist is an amateur

Interesting. What country.

By the way if you really want to get gud, you need to look for an atelier.

artrenewal.org/pages/ateliers.php

Good luck.

I wish (((PragerU))) was more consistent with their content. For every good and informative video like this one, there's 2-3 pieces of shitty, neocohen propaganda like how "Israel is the most moral army in the world" or "damn those evil, antisemitic bastids questioning America's interventionist foreign policy!"

Just the start makes an extremely good point. I will convert it to a webm.


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I'm sorry to hear about all that. Don't give up on art if you think it's your thing.

You already know the secret is to make up some bullshit story about your art. So just work on fundamentals, turn in whatever you've done and write some bullshit about it.

The real motivation should come from inside you, not your grades. You already know the truth.

The inclusion of porn into artistic mediums is a quickly growing cancer. "Art" as consumed by the general populace will mainly exist for that purpose. Why? Because it serves a utilitarian desire that people can't control these days: muh dick, muh vagina. Look at any art site or artist Patreon etc., it is always filled with porn; people mostly only commission porn. It's fucking everywhere.

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Especially doujinshi… something I now had to let go completely because it would supporting somethign that is eating away what I love.

Oh, and when you're doing studies, try to compose them on the page in a visually interesting way, this will help sell the story you've made up so your ruse isn't easily spotted when you turn in a master study every time.

Quitting porn boosts Testosterone, which is the dragon ball z magic shit that floods your system and helps you get shit done when you need shit done. Nofap increased my gains like crazy when I started lifting. Wish I would have known as a teenager.

I'd be a completely different person.

I was redpilled about art since I was 9, and I've been practicing to achieve visual exelence since. Pic is something I did a year or two ago.


I did a thread about how prohibiting 3DPD porn would benefit society. Sadly it got deleted.
Also, porn, sadly, is pretty much the only thing that actually gives money.


Just dont fap every day. It is not that hard. Maybe 5/7-4/7. Also the libido while in teen years is extremely increased, so it is normal for a teen to fap a lot. The bad thing happens when it devolves into an addiction.

Just stopping in to add one major reason the emphasis on meaning over aesthetics is pushed so hard in academia is Cultural Marxism / post-modernism. In most (all?) traditions, beauty in art was a way to express the divine. Cultural Marxism, being Marxism, sees class struggle as the deepest dimension of reality (economic classes in Marxism, identity groups in Cultural Marxism), and rejects the existence of divinity. Therefore, the expression of beauty is meaningless for the Marxist/Cultural Marxist, and the ultimate aim of art is to impact the class struggle, which places the entire focus of the art on its conceptual meaning. Post-modernism attempts to "deconstruct" categorizations (i.e. say they're stupid and bad) like beautiful and ugly, so the post modernist favors hideous and boring art that poses the question "hurr well why isn't this beautiful too guize?".

Part of the reason for this is the Marxist/post-modern culture pushed by academia, but part of the reason for the absurd prices is that simple abstract art is easy to produce and can be arbitrarily valued making it extremely useful for money laundering and serving as a kind of de facto currency in illicit transactions.

All that being said, I think Holla Forums makes an error in marking the line between good and bad art strictly along the line between realist and abstract work. The way I see it, good art is emotionally effective and expresses the divine. Some abstract art does this. Some realist art requiring a high level of skill fails to achieve this. The old masters were great because of their ability to create works of emotional and divine power, and if they chose to make abstract works, I'm sure they could have done that very effectively. Quality, in the sense I'm using it, does tend to track with skill though because acquiring skill takes time and dedication, and through the process of developing skill the dedicated artist is likely to wrestle with and come to a deeper understanding of the more subjective or mystical aspects of art I'm talking about.

I think an acute visual perception is an almost surefire indicator of perceptiveness regarding the nature of reality and the human condition (at least in my case luls) and that is why beauty is a great filter

also I really appreciate you sharing this and will watch while I paint :)

No. Abstract art is cancer.
It requires no skill and it's quality is subjective.

I'm not saying that non-realistic, non-abstract art, as pic related is bad.

The theory is that art used to represent principles of a higher state of being. Metaphysical principles. Once art became intellectualized, it was brought down to the merely human level (the human abstract intelligence). At this level the higher principles cannot even be comprehended, because they transcend the sphere of that accessible through abstract thought. So after this, the intellectualized see the higher principles as "kitsch" because they cannot comprehend them.

are you justifying a pile of bricks being treated as art, satan?

No, I'm not. I am saying the exact opposite.

This is because they are fucking ugly and yet narcissistic, in love with their disgusting selves, rather than ashamed and wanting to change themselves.

tfw my mom is one of these worthless subhumans

Why would someone create a machine that can do art?