Who will the US get in a war with first... North Korea Or Iran?

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Obviously North Korea is getting uppity and Iran has always been a target for reasons we all know.

Here is a thread to discuss if Trump will order strikes to take out those countries respective nuclear programs/military's.

Additionally since North Korea is a major Chinese trading partner the repercussions this could have on China (think major refugee crisis and disruption to international shipping/trade).

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NORTH KOREA

After a strike, North Korea's most immediate and expected method of retaliation would center around conventional artillery. Many of the North's indirect fire systems are already located on or near the border with South Korea.

Regardless of these considerations and constraints on the North Korean side, if Pyongyang embraces the worst-case scenario for Seoul — the indiscriminate targeting of the capital and its suburbs — the damage would still be significant. Some research claims that overall damage and casualties in Seoul would be minimal, but those studies have relied on very conservative data, especially regarding the effective range of North Korean artillery systems. Many findings do not take into account newly deployed, modernized 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems with extended range, or the much more capable 300-mm multiple rocket launchers. If projectile flight distances reach proven ranges (or commonly accepted ones) and involve these new systems, then the northern portion of Seoul could be saturated with fire.

Even areas south of the Han River could be within range of 170-mm self-propelled guns, 240-mm multiple rocket launchers or 300-mm multiple rocket launchers, depending on their position on the North Korean side of the DMZ. If every one of Pyongyang's 300-mm multiple rocket launcher systems were directed against Seoul, their range would be sufficient to rain fire across the city and beyond. A single volley could deliver more than 350 metric tons of explosives across the South Korean capital, roughly the same amount of ordnance dropped by 11 B-52 bombers.

In addition to its conventional artillery capabilities, North Korea also has a large stockpile of ballistic missiles with much greater ranges. These missiles vary from older Scud variants to North Korean versions of the Russian-designed system. There are also a number of self-developed longer-range missiles in the North Korean arsenal. Even the lowest-range Scud ballistic missiles would be capable of striking anywhere in South Korea.


Moreover, ballistic missiles could strike U.S. military positions beyond the Korean Peninsula, specifically in Japan. Whatever the targets, Pyongyang's existing ballistic missile stockpile could easily deliver approximately 1 kiloton (1,000 metric tons) of high explosives, as well as other nonconventional munitions — chemical, biological or even nuclear. Because of the inaccuracy of different North Korean missile systems, these strikes would most appropriately be used against urban centers or other wide-area targets. If employed against specific military facilities at longer ranges, a significant amount of misses would occur.

America first. No pointless wars.

Like the North Korean air force, the North Korean navy poses a real threat — within limits. Pyongyang relies on significant numbers of small, aging vessels, but they still carry a dangerous punch. Operating out of numerous staging areas, such as ports, coves and bays, North Korean surface vessels, including torpedo boats and missile craft, can surge out in hit-and-run attacks against U.S. and South Korean naval targets. The North Koreans also have a considerable number (approximately 70) of diesel-electric submarines, including coastal and midget types.

Unlike the surface navy, North Korean submarines would benefit from a considerable degree of stealth during their underwater operations. Though these submarines are not well-suited for operations away from littoral waters, they can pose a significant threat to maritime commerce around the Korean Peninsula and potentially even across the Sea of Japan. North Korean submarines also present a considerable hazard for a longer period; it would take considerable time for U.S. and allied anti-submarine warfare units to hunt them down. And even when the force is neutralized, the anti-submarine warfare units may not know that is the case. The mere threat of an enemy submarine presence could continue to restrict commerce around the Korean Peninsula.

IRAN

Iran would immediately strike at the Israeli city of Tel Aviv and at U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf if it were attacked by the United States, a spokesman for Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said July 8, the Iranian Students News Agency reported. Israeli officials declined to comment.

Iran will respond to a U.S. attack with a military strike against Israel's main nuclear facility, an Iranian adviser to the Revolutionary Guard said, Haaretz reported Feb. 24. The adviser said the Iranian retaliation against Israeli targets would also focus on Haifa, which houses several chemical factories and oil refineries, and Zakhariya, where an Israeli missile base is located.

In theory, the Caucasus would not be a bad location for using airpower to strike Iran. In the American scenario, combat aircraft operating from such bases would supplement those operating from other bases around the region as well as a number of aircraft carriers (at least double the number currently with the 5th Fleet, which is two). Much of Iran's air defense network is oriented primarily toward Iraq, the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, since an air attack would most likely come from U.S. combat aircraft operated from Iraq, bases in the Gulf Arab states and aircraft carriers at sea. In addition, bases in the Caucasus would be much closer to some key targets like Tehran and its environs. Being able to approach from the Caspian would allow U.S. warplanes to spend much less time over Iranian territory and less time in transit, allowing the generation of more sorties. And with air bases in the Caucasus, the United States would essentially be able to strike at Iran from all sides, further complicating Tehran's already significant air-defense challenges.

Israel striking Iran via Iraq with U.S. collusion is a moot point.

let iran nuke israel before doing anything.

Israel striking Iran via Iraq with U.S. collusion is a moot point.
If Washington finds itself ready to use force against Tehran, it would be more politically expedient for the United States to attack Iran alone and avoid the political blowback of attacking a Muslim country jointly with Israel.

However, with more to lose if Iran becomes nuclear, Israel would have more incentive to strike than the United States would. In that case, the Israelis would be prepared to act unilaterally, without Washington's assistance — meaning without using Iraqi airspace — or perhaps even publicly admitted knowledge. However, if Washington or Israel should launch a strike against Iran, the two allies will coordinate with each other — probably behind the scenes.

In the event that Israel does decide to launch military strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities, IDF would have several options, including a nuclear strike using Jericho II missiles.

The most likely conventional option would be an Israeli Air Force (IAF) airstrike using F-15I Ra'am (Thunder) strike fighters from the 69th Squadron based at Hatzerim Air Base in the Northern Negev, about 50 miles south of Tel Aviv. The F-15I, similar to the U.S. Air Force's F-15E Strike Eagle, uses long-range technology with air superiority capabilities. Twenty-five F-15Is have been used in the IAF since 1999. Capable of carrying as much ordnance as a World War II heavy bomber, the F-15I can also deploy precision-guided munitions and can penetrate enemy air space at low levels and high speeds.

The IAF strike package will have to include other aircraft besides the F-15Is. Once they enter Iranian airspace, the Israelis will have to suppress Iranian air defenses. This would most likely be accomplished by F-16Is in the "Wild Weasel" role. On the way to the nuclear facilities, separate strike packages would have to neutralize the Iranian air force's (IRIAF) 3rd Tactical Air Base at Hamadan in order to prevent its F-4 fighters from interfering with the raid. On the way out, the IRIAF 2nd Tactical Air Base at Tabriz, with its F-5s and MiG-29s, would have to be neutralized. All of these strike aircraft — those sent against the nuclear facilities, the Wild Weasels and those sent against the Iranian air bases, would need their own fighter escorts as well.


Because the IAF routinely flies to Turkey to use the Anatolian bombing ranges, the movement of Israeli aircraft in that direction might not arouse much suspicion, depending on the level of tensions at the time. IAF refueling and surveillance aircraft, which would be required to support the strikes, can safely orbit inside Turkish airspace. In addition, any damaged IAF aircraft or shot down Israeli air crews would have a better chance of landing or surviving in Turkey or the Kurdish areas of Iraq than they would in Saudi Arabia, Syria or western Iraq.

At first glance, a sustained air campaign targeting Iran's nuclear program looks difficult for the IAF. However, Israel has shown itself to be very resourceful in the past when confronted with challenges. The main impediment to Israeli military action will be the difficulty of securing a route for the striking aircraft.

http s://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/10/text

http s://dailycaller.com/2017/01/09/mattis-wanted-to-strike-iran-in-retaliation-for-killing-us-troops-obama-denied-him/

http s://www.yahoo.com/news/national-security-adviser-puts-iran-notice-190944150–politics.html


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LEFTISTS

Well, maybe that's an enemy the army can finally beat. :^)

Following the Money


If you remember the Clinton email investigation, you will remember that there were allegations that Andrew McCabe's wife took a $467,600 bribe from Terry McAuliffe's Political Action Committee (Common Good VA).

Additionally the Virginia Democratic Party which McAuliffe basically controls donated $207,788 to Jill McCabe's campaign.

Who else did Common Good VA donate too? Well $770,000 Dan Gecker, a lawyer who represented Kathleen Willey, one of the women who accused Bill Clinton of assault.

We know the Clinton's traded their influence for money and vice versa. Sometimes even stop investigations. And their little henchmen like Terry McAuliffe did the real dirty work of money laundering.

Following the Money leads to a Chinese Intelligence Agent with Connections to North Korea


It is an old saying. The Clinton Cash author traced foreign government’s interactions with the Clinton Foundation. But where did the money from Terry McAuliffe's PAC come from and what does it have to do with WW3?

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And true to a politicians form McAuliffe denied ever even knowing Wang. "This was an allegation of a gentleman who gave a check to my campaign," McAuliffe added. "I didn't bring the donor in. I didn't bring him into the Clinton foundation. I'm not sure if I've ever met the person, to be honest with you. I know the folks who worked in his company. It had nothing to do with the Clinton Foundation."


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And then the Comey switched suddenly and helped crater Clinton's chances at the last hour.

But the question remains: what's the big deal with a puny 2,120,000 in donations from companies that were not registered as foreign agents to evade detection?

Well Wang Wenliang controls the company who built the Chinese Embassy in DC, which means the Chinese Government Trusts him.

Wang Wenliang controls the company that controls the Port of Dandong which is a major Chinese Deep Water Seaport on the Border with North Korea. It conducts almost 50% of China's Trade with North Korea. North Korea does 90% of its foreign trade with China.

http s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Dandong

Wang Wenliang companies also donated to the State Department allegedly to get special visas for "business trips" to the United States.

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Why would USA go into either of those wars? Even at the height of their interventionist policies, they didn't go for those two countries, and Trump is more of an isolationist. Not to mention, a sizeable chunk of American population despises Trump, and starting a war would just blow the flames and make even more people pissed - it would be a political suicide. America is not going into a war any time soon – it has no reason to and it is not prepared for one on the home front.

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Well your american people were fed with wars waged by Bush but Obama still went to war with Libya and Syria.

civil war, do you not see what is happening?

Mexico. The moment civil war breaks in the US (and it will) the beaners will join the battle.

The main detail that would drive us to war as far as I see it is that North Korea and Iran are the last two notable nations that are NOT Federal Reserve Bank members, look at the list of countries inducted therein and look at where we've been sticking our grubby noses.

I mean, where (((they))) have been sticking their grubby noses :^)

shekelzzzzz

no fucking way i'm going to war with iran, it'd be exactly what the jews want

"War". It's war on paper, with a few planes and drones, and mostly money flowing into the conflict, but no large-scale US soldier invasion. The locals do the dirty work for them. They wouldn't be able to do this in NK or Iran, though. US would have to invade directly, and there's no way that could happen. It'd be Vietnam 2.0.

oh also in addition to to muh shekelzzzz it's also necessary for their plans in NWO.

I am not pleased about the aggressive stance toward Iran because either of those nations, Iran, and North Korea would both be very much on the globalist agenda and then we'll know for sure that Trump was literally a figurehead to appease the masses.

Gentlemen, are you feeling appeased? Sheeet. I don't even know what to think anymore.

nice dubs, but you kinda sound like a provocateur. I guess maybe California/Eric Holder might try some shit but I doubt/hope it won't lead to civil war.


Now this is semi realistic and Trump might take military action against the Cartels. But once again the military did stuff like JADE HELM and has FEMA to deal with Mexicans. Trump's Homeland Security guy dealt with Latin America military shit all the time and seems really smart as fuck and prepared.


Well that too but you have to admit that attacking North Korea could fuck China up a ton. Imagining a state like that collapsing on your border and starting a shooting war in international shipping lanes.


Iran might launch biological and chemical missiles at Israel during the attack. Not to mention conventional munitions and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israelis might go to war with Hezbollah again sooner rather then later to head off that threat. Hezbollah is alittle tied down in Syria at the moment.

Good Goy!

Daily reminder that Syria,North Korea and Iran are the last truly zog free countries since they don't have a rothskike bank and hate israel

Here's my prediction how this whole thing will pan out.

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North Korea = Best Korea 🇰🇵

North Korea is unlikely.
If anything we might see the USA developing more normal relations with the norks.

Since the USA's primary agenda in regards to north korea has always been to secure territory vital to attempting a land war against China.
While Chinas has been to preserve the status quo and north korea as their buffer state between them and the US vassal of south korea.

Iran I don't understand Trumps position on.
Conflict with them doesn't serve the USA, does them no good.

it will be Iran since they are openly asking for it and falling for Jew Tricks, hopefully they can nuke Israel before getting wipe out and Trump would be "sadly" unable to stop the missile from leveling up Jew country.


Iran is provoking him and forcing his hand, if he is not tough on them others will see him as a weakling like Obongo. Why are they being so dumb is the real question.

The issue with Iran is they don't see any difference between him and every previous US president.
As far as they're concerned it's business as usual and they have to make sure the USA knows they're not afraid.

The answer is obvious op:
CALIFORNIA

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North Korea wants to be left alone.

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leave North Korea alone

The next countries USA will go to war with are, in order:

1. Mexico
2. China
3. Israel

North Korea is the only country in the world that is JEW FREE

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Koreans are literally the jews of Asia, Chinese are the niggers of Asia.

Best Koreans have nukes so they're safe. The Iranians don't but they have the largest nuclear power in the world on their arm so they should be fine. I hope Trump doesn't walk into the Saudisraeli trap.

fuck off kike

Holla Forums is a Racialist board, if you aren't white you aren't right. Kill yourself subhuman.

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Do you know what the #1 bestseller book is in South Korea? The Talmud.

Shouldn't you be defending Milo somewhere TRSodomite? Don't let the pozz hit your neghole on the way out.

If you are not in favor of Iran nuking Israel first before we go to war with them you are wrong

The most immediate threats are Mexico and China, Israel comes after that.

No. Israel is number 1
Now kill yourself

That would be ebin

I thought we might go to war with the Saudis if Trump continues to thwart their ambitions in the middle east and the OPEC price fixing cartel continues to decline.

But the Saudis have taken a submissive stance towards Trump. They know hes not weak like Obama and actually this makes the situation more stable.

Mexico. Drug cartels will lose their industry due to the wall.

While I know they are trying to create an insurgency, it lacks the firepower of the military and could even be stopped by mere cops.

USA is not northern africa or syria. It has far less corruption issues and more patriotism right now.

I also think this. That wall needs to be built quickly, universities need to be cracked down and these riots need harsher discipline. Hell it's time to stop being afraid to shoot these fuckers.

China is a huge threat because they've been under the radar for so long.

You know how we're always on about retaking Constantinople?

Now I see a reason why. That sea route is crucial

It's also the capital of the Byzantine empire and home to a lot of cultural artifacts and ancient architecture (all that still remains after years of rule by midslimes, of course). It's ours, no matter what a bunch of turk roaches think.

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No one will ever do anything to north korea until they do something fairly harmful first. And even then they will be gentle about it. Attacking north korea is like setting a retarded child on fire. Especially since china probably won't help them and screw itself over too.

I was meant to reply to .

Well we went to war with korea in the early 50's and it never officially ended so I'm going with the norks.

norks easily, they use it as a threat every year to get enough oil to power soviet era trucks to get by.

Neither. Trump's gonna make a deal.

is there anything made in china we can't make here? no except maybe rare earth metals.

Why do you buy into this meme? Since when is it the responsibility of neighboring countries to accept swarms of foreigners, for any reason? "Refugees" are a big fucking Jewish scam to flood European countries and colonies with muds.

bumpa bumpa

Koreans are extremely racist. You're unaware of many fact to think otherwise. Koreans, North Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese, Blacks, Americans, Christians, Jews, South East Asians, in watching that "calming drive through Pyongyang" the driver is from Singapore and a van load of North Koreans men go by and they throw a shoe at the driver, knowing, somehow he is a foreigner.

neither of those user
it'll be mexico because they're ran by criminals
specifically, it'll be with the drug cartel(s) that run the mexican government

Korean has existed as a vassal state to China. It's it's own separate nation, They do not share a language or even a writing system anymore. North Korea and China view each other as allies and enemies. On a governmental they get along, but the people do not mingle to any great degree.

I thought jontron was jewish? Why do I keep seeing people who think he's Iranian?

his last name's "Jafari", sounds like an iranian name to me

Neither. Trump can not take us to war. I doubt he wants to (he's just doing what he said he'd do during his campaign), but even if he did he can't. He already has a large funded and organized movement against him, and the entire mainstream media. If he takes us to war he'd lose much of his support and he'd be done.

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KILL ALL GERMANS1

and then don't nuke Iran, just remove kebab from it.
make Iran great again.