This place is crawling with stormfags, I want to just nuke the whole board...

Why don't you go to reddit then?

literally nobody here gives a fuck about wealth, it's worker exploitation we dont like. You can fuck right off with your liberal bs.

You're a rightwing enabler, also a piece of shit.

So it's right wing to defend the interests of the working class now? Fuck off, you probably don't even work for a living.

Hey, I finally agree with someone on this fucking site.

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>>>/anarcho/

hue heu echo chamber lol XD

Not defending immigrants as part of the working class is right wing, yes.

But you still blame the immigrants.

Wow, nice leftism there pal. Did you read that on Bild or the Sun?

You're not leftist, you're the bourgeoisie's left excuse.

Get out

we're talking leftists there, not petty-bourgeois shit.

Sometimes I just want the nazis to win so we can all die quicker.

Fuck your nation. Your nation is shit. Your nation is fucking aids.

why don't you kys?

no because leftism is a false proposition and is slowly being eroded by reality

KEK.
Pol will always be invading. There can be no "bastion" as you want it, cause that would mean starting the purges and what if the mod thinks you are to be purged?

Have you learned nothing from Stalinism?

All you can do is ignore them and create better content.

Too busy. If non-anarchists are all up in arms about traditional morals, sacred national borders, and not letting women vote, fuck non-anarchists then.

This website is exactly 4chon with corrupt moderation and slow traffic. Jim the website owner is STI 2.0. that clearly doesn't care about this websites community. No wonder i see Holla Forums users sometimes begging 4chan to make a board for them.

Who gives a fuck about the immigrants? I grew up in a first-world society. I want our society to remain first-world. I don't want to import cheap scabs who depress our wages and add to the already crowded reserve army of labour.

Armchair socialists are out-of-touch with the needs of the precariat.

I'm a Marxist and totally agree with the anarchist. Nationalism and its associated retardation are totally incompatible with socialism. You'd know this if you, you know, actually read some Marx.

And people tell me SocDem doesn't create fascism.

"I had a wellfare state all my life! Why should I care if this was based on people getting oppressed in another country? I just want my system to continue even if this is not realistic as crisis of capitalism doesn't allow it. So, I'll blame poor people from the countries that I was exploiting all this time".

Not leading to nazism at all!

same here.

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porkies depress your wages exploiting immigrants.

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But third-world immigrants, such as Islamic fundamentalists only behave the way they do because of Western imperialism. Failure to open our hearts and let such people come to the first world is just class-traitorous first-world chauvinism. It's the responsibility of the first-world working class to accept increased competition and reduced wages from immigration, for the greater good of the global working class. Nationalism is not compatible with Socialism. The workers of the world have no nation.

If the first-worlders don't like it, they should start the damn revolution already.

Yes, this.

So many "leftists" nowadays believe that a women isn't {{{liberated}}} unless she spreads her legs to mehmed or tyrone, and acts like a female dog in heat. {{{Leftism}}} is cancer, bring back 1930's Soviet style Communism.

hiding behind a femfag flag wont make you seem any less like a blatant Holla Forumsack, the contrary actually.

Unions were originally created to keep foreign scabs out.

You got any source on that complete bullshit?

God you lefties are deluded, i hope muzzies bomb some sense into you(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

THESE STORMFAG IMMIGRANTS R RUININ DIS BOARD!(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

they're 100% correct though, you aren't going to get anything done by being whiny faggots(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

You are one of us now.

This is the final straw. It's time to purge.

He defends immigrants when they are used as scab labor to destroy the working class, and thinks he's fighting capitalism! Point at him and laugh!(HISTORY OF SHITPOSTING)

MODS = GODS

Most of the working class are fucking racists anyway.

I wonder why did you used flag of the leftist system then, on the top of that the system under which your type would be banned from procreation.

FUCKING HELL THEY FINALLY DO SOMETHING.

The working-class in the first-world don't give a shit about your socialist international third-worldist bullshit. It's not our problem that the third-world won't stop fucking breeding. And then they want to come here to consume our limited resources

they don't particularly care for your flippant use of hyphens either.

That sounds like kulak talk to me, buddy.

Raising standards of living is best population control.

high wew. Consider killing yourself, retard.

Why are you smuggly nitpicking about use of hyphens? Go suck Pajeet cock anarkiddie

And dont forget the creeping liberal idpol. When I first came here 12 months ago there was fuck all idpol, liberal or right wing

You're right. I'll try to crack down on idpol more.

Based mods. Im tired of nationalistic socialism meme.
There is literally a name for that already.

lmao, why are you so sensitive about hyphens? did you really expect me to take your retarded post srsly?

The real question is: does the actual working-class take what anarkiddies say seriously? Considering they are about to vote for a fucking billionaire (lol), probably not

Come Bunkerchan where the grass ain't ruled by Anarcho-tankies.

Bunkerfags: literally indeffertiable from Holla Forumsacks, even to themselves.

How are bunkerfags litterally Holla Forumsacks? Space_ is a market socialist and most of the site are anarchists/hegelians.

Fuck this, I am going to bunkerchan. Holla Forums is cancer.(literally a bunkerfag using a proxy, this is their only post)

there are literally no anarchists there.

I'm going to consider shameless bunkerchan advertising with the use of proxies to appear like there are numerous advocates to be spam.

Why are you fucking paranoid?

Behold:
y=-x+10000000000000
This equation describes how much happiness Prickly_Cactus's parents will have in their life(y), as a function of how soon he kills himself (x).

inb4 you get banned for spam

"spam"

Look. If you can raise the numbers of bunker there will be a flow from here.

Unless the material conditions and so on.

rekt

Holla Forums has a lot of nonwhites on it so they're fervently anti-racist since they don't want the white working class to kick them out.

Stay united Holla Forums, forget about sectarianism for now.

We are the only leftist internet community that's not absolute idpol trash.

There isn't much sectarianism except for the non-leftist Holla Forumsack bunkerfags and postleftist fags.

Well, there clearly are anarchists there, I've seem them….

Wait, I just realised. You define "anarchist" as "somebody who agrees with me on everything" in order to justify your purges.

leftypol is 95% white according to our last census you retard

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I'm sorry but I don't consider "post-leftists" to be anarchists

allow me to clarify: anarchism isn't an identity, it is a desire to abolish hierarchy

That's rather a lot.

And post-left anarchists wish to abolish hierarchies, just as traditional anarchists do.

If anyone is enforcing a hierarchy, it's you, with your authoritarian purges of individuals for the crime of having ideas that you don't like.

It's a WAY to abolish hierarchy. Not the desire.

We both desire it, but we want to go there in short steps, you wanna go right away.

ebin. If you shitpost with the intention of ruining board quality you're going to get banned it's as simple as that.

I'm the anarcho-syndicalist, my plan of abolishing hierarchy takes a while since it involves unionized worker owned industries replacing private industry.
Frankly, I dunno what the hell ur talking about dude, you skeletong shitposters have no plans whatsoever of how to achieve anarchism, if anything, you're the ones that want it to happen over night.

wew lad

Not the BO, just a mod.

No, leninism is about a vanguard and so on.
Now, sure, I want to end capitalism overnight…

Good luck with that. Enjoy your capitalist disinfo, and when ur 30 years old dying from lung cancer and on ur deathbeath I hope you think "shit, I shouldn't have bought into bourgeois lies, if I just unionized instead of thinking a revolution could happened over night, I might not be dead from all this exploitation"

I am 30.
And I never said we shouldn't unionize meanwhile.

Even if the unions have become tools of the bourgies…

But how are industrial unions going to accomplish anything over here when the majority of production that is utilized by society is in the third-world, out of the reach of first-world unions?

You're being blinded by nostalgia for the 19th century and the ideologies produced by the concerns of that particular era.

You could demand actual free trade with China. Tell them to stop applying tariffs to western goods and stop subsidizing their own steelmakers, etc. So you could compete and export to China and have your own industry. If China refuses, just mirror their tariffs and subsidies and they'll lose because you still have a more efficient industrial base than them and the only way they compete now is that the west is letting them win.

Critics of anarcho-syndicalism criticize 19th century anarcho-syndicalism. It's not the same anymore. Unions in the first world must focus on specializing in establishing worker controlled industries in areas that do not yet have steep barriers to entry set up by private industry. The goal should be to use union resources to establish more and more worker controlled industries and cross barriers to entry for creating more automated industry so that things produced overseas can be produced locally. The goal of modern anarcho-syndicalism should be to bring the means of production back to the first world with automation so that when private industry is abolished it will be easy to establish a non-market economic system.

I can't emphasize enough that unions im modern syndicalist systems are primarily to allow worker controlled industry to compete with private industry.

it's always funny to see leftists splinter over ideological identity politics. A là death to the revisionists and all.

Nothing to ruin here. You got threads here were people role play weird dominance fantasies of some anarcho-feminist

Could you repeat that, please?

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yeah fuck off tankkiddies. Your liberal LARP fantasy of magical overnight revolution will never happen. Actual leftists like myself know that measures must be taken to achieve anarchism/socialism

youtube.com/watch?v=670IAeM4Hyg

Nobody will ban me!

this is hillarious

."Anyone who disagrees with using authoritarian means to completely redirect production is a tankie! Stalinism is bad, so we of the anarchist vanguard must purge those who think differently from us, I mean, tankies only pretending to be anarchists. As the all knowing god of anarchism, I am the perfect man for the job of smoking them out!"

This almost sounds like a parody, but I know you are autistic enough.

I never advocated hierarchy. Part of the point of syndicalism is its a way to organize without hierarchy.

Neither did I, yet you insist on saying that I am not an anarchist. Clearly you have some other component in mind for the definition of anarchist.

You just pretend to be an anarchist but are not. You do not care about abolishing hierarchy but claim to.

It's a joy to behold how disingenuous you creatures are(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

kys Prickly

And who do you think you are, some kind of mind-reader? I don't know what you're smoking, but not some sort of omniscient god of anarchy that knows exactly who is a real anarchist and who is a secret Stalinist lying about their beliefs, since we all know that the main problem with the anarchist movement is an infestation of Stalin-worshippers lying about every aspect of their belief system for shits and giggles.

The post-left secret dictatorial conspiracy is real famrade.

you can't irony it away

mind-reader? No. You are a reactionary you just don't know yet. And once the time comes you will go down with the rest of them!

what the fuck is this picture?

Not me. But they arn't wrong…

I normally wouldn't say something like this, but you're literally an embodiment of the anarkiddie stereotype. A faggot who idealizes classical syndicalism and calls everyone who disagrees a fascist or a tankie.

kys fast Prickly

Top lel. You really need to lay off the PCP, fam.

and you're the embodiment of cointelpro.
Creating and perpetuating words like anarkiddie and targeting the ideologies with biggest chance of success like anarcho-syndicalism.

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Syndicalism will literally NEVER EVER work unless you can mobilize the third world proletariat you fucking retard. I don't know how many times I have to point this out until it gets through your head.

nice epic meme restriction.

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It's not a meme restriction, you just have no idea how neoliberal capitalism works apparently. Places like China are where everything that is necessary to the functioning of capitalism is produced, therefore in order for you to cause a crises you would need to be able to organize the industrial workers of the third world and mobilize them to push their interests within the logic of capital through wild cat strikes until capital reached a breaking point where profit no longer became possible. Then a crisis would be triggered and revolution would be possible.

There are a number of barriers to this that are insurmountable for the anarchist milieu in the first world - the language and culture barriers being two massive ones, in addition to the influence of the State in the third world. This isn't something that syndicalism in the 21st century can answer for, and your fucking co-ops mathematically and economically simply cannot compete with the massive scale of exploitation of the third world.

100% effort argument

Okay but I've explained to you time and time again that the goal of modern Syndicalism should be to create infrastructure that will allow first worlders to compete with third world private industry.
In other words: restriction discarded. It's a meme restriction.

Well, how are you going to get from here to there without an authoritarian centrally planned system? The vast majority of workers in the first world are not going to spontaneously agree to switch professions and go along with your redirection of industry. Are you sure you're not the secret tankie in disguise, fam?

…and as I just fucking said at the end of my post: It's literally impossible for fucking first world co-ops to compete with the third world.

Unless you can somehow, within capitalism, create a network of co-ops that can handle the entire production process - this means getting the raw materials, refining them, and using them to make products in large quantities - you will always be relying on capitalism in order to have your democratically-run co-ops. And if you can't do this, then syndicalism will not change a fucking thing. Creating a bunch of coffee shop co-ops isn't going to fucking effect anything because you're not doing something that is necessary to the functioning of capitalism.

Read Nihilist Communism.

I think it's pretty obvious that Market Socialism has better odds.

This is also a viable strategy with market socialism.

It really isn't obvious. You still have to explain how you could possibly hope to compete with capitalism on its own terms without organizing the third world proletariat.

Unionize. Organization is necessary, but hierarchy is not necessary. Also switching industries is not necessary, but it will happen entirely voluntarily with many people because they will prefer the better working conditions offered by worker owned industry compared to private industry.

The point of unionizing is to create a very connected system fam, and the advantage worker owned industry has over private industry is not productive ability, but suffocating private industry, all the workers will be drained from private industries to worker owned industries due to better working conditions.

this is what leftypol is really all about. I love you guys ;__;

All the workers are in the third world you dense fuck.

Capitalism can function perfectly fine if the entirety of the US was fucking coffee shop co-ops and bookstores and what have you. It wouldn't fucking matter, because these co-ops would all be relying on capitalism's grip on the third world and everything that it produces. All you would do is effectively create new markets for capital, not threaten it in any way.

So skilled trades aren't workers?

This is why cointelpro I mean post-leftists are not anarchists. They are just LARPy liberal roleplayers that refuse to acknowledge workers on the basis of "priveledge". Fuck off liberal. First worlders are proles too, and frankly, the revolutionary potential is where there is a lot of post-industrial era infrastructure.

Pick neither

this is the worst meme. Like wtf is is even supposed to mean? What evidence can I possibly give?

In the strictest sense, no, they aren't. The proletariat has lived in far worse conditions before things like electricity and indoor plumbing became widespread. What matters is that there is a large class of the population which can only survive by selling their labor power to those who require it in order to produce more commodities to sell and thus perpetuate the cycle of capital. This is what makes capitalism as such possible

The proletariat has revolutionary potential precisely because capitalism requires the proletariat in order to function as capitalism.

Holla Forums

comrade pls

Holla Forums

tbh I wouldnt even be mad if n1x starts using the tripcode again. my bans dont actually do anything 9it wasnt me who banned n1x btw). Everyone just resets their router.

G-good thing I'm a phone poster, r-right guys?

KNEESOCKS IS A CUTE

can being a post leftist be a banable offense, please

You're saying that people who work… aren't workers.

Surprise!

youtube.com/watch?v=gUH6oRkWm-Q

We keep pointing out reasons why the ideology that you slavishly devote yourself to is unworkable, yet all you keep saying is basically, "nuh-uh! It'll work because I say so!"

The point of a debate is to address your opponent's arguments, not dismiss them with a cursory remark followed by insults. You're no different from Holla Forumsyps who shut down arguments they don't like by calling everyone else a kike shill.

bans are a fuck they dont do anything
but yeah sure why not lmao nothing matters
I hate myself and I want to die can I be a post leftist? I should ban myself

All I do is respond to all your questions, and no matter how legit my response you go on and say I said " "nuh-uh! It'll work because I say so!" "
remind me how you arn't cointelpro again?

This is what happens when you get all your theory from Holla Forums's watered-down interpretations of everything written by Marx, Stirner, etc.

Yes, please.

Seriously speaking, you'd be doing yourself a favour. All this autistic serging can't be good for your blood pressure.

wow

nigger, you are still saying people who work arn't workers. wtf. Insulting leftypol doesn't make you any less wrong.

If you've ever talked to prickly in an IRC channel he is the definition of a manchild.

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all you do is adhom me, you can't counter any of the things I've said about my political stance

When the fuck did he do that you fucking sperg? n1x and others have tried to argue with you but it seems all you have in hand are the following: cointelpro, tankie, polack, fascist.

Drop the PCP nigger.

I am just pointing out that you are not even arguing in the first place.

Nuanced definitions are just too much to handle for you fucking e-leftist retards apparently. You see anything that looks vaguely disruptive to your comfortable ideology and start having the knee-jerk reaction to ignore everything that the other person is saying. It's fucking pathetic, and you, Prickly, are by far the best representative of this tendency.

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This is exactly why I left and didn't stick around for the bullshit in that channel. None of your assertions or arguments have any factual evidence nor does it have a basis in the real world. You think "your opinion" is all the merit you need and when it gets smacked down you cry out to look like the victim. I pity you.

kys you pathetic loser

Literally who.

Being the autist that he is, he's managed to get banned from pretty much any IRC channel that would have him.

Pointing out similarities in retardation doesn't mean you're the same. He was pointing out that almost every post of yours is full of insults and ad hominem. Try again, you massive faggot.

no, Clay Grant who lives in Louisville Kentucky and formerly went to Ballard Highschool is the deffinition of a manchild. picture the stupid retarded fedora tipper neckbeard meme. He is exactly like that, and he was around before that meme, pretty much. he carries an mlp figure of Luna or someshit in his trilby, or otherwise on his person at all times, and he's probably a pedo too.

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being in a hivemind that chants "UR WRONG PRICKLY KILL URSELF" is not being btfo, it's being surrounded by idiots.

HEY, HOW'S THAT A.I. WAIFU COMING ALONG YOU RETARDED HOMO TOOL?

THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS AN OBVIOUS Holla Forums BAITS

ABANDON THIS THREAD

really makes you think

fuck off

fucking what? No. None of the latter two atleast, and I've refuted all the arguments

really makes you think

really makes me think.

Well for one with market socialist control of the 1st world there would be no external force to put down socialist revolutions in the 3rd world.

best girl thread ?

Keep talking, you're just digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Were you the faggot that wouldn't stop spamming shit about reddit in the IRC?

no

As a minor point or order Prickly, just because someone's IP appears for the first time it doesn't mean their new or using a proxy, they could just be on their phone.

Perhaps, if you could somehow seize power in the first world using market socialism… without first destroying capitalism, by organizing the third world proletariat…. which apparently need to be organized by first taking power in the first world…

The point here being that your programme seems pretty circular.

it's still a way to create a seemingly separate identity for the purpose of crowding a thread.

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Well I mean all you'd have to do is have market socialist or other leftist parties/movements take over the US. No one else would take unilateral action to put down a socialist revolution. Maybe China a couple years down the road, but I doubt it. From there, just let revolutions happen, giving them diplomatic and some material support. But you don't need the 3rd world proletariat for the first part.

He has never done, nor will he ever do anything remotely important with his life.

> Prickly_Cactus, Pantelleria will destroy you with a strapon, be careful. | is that supposed to be a bad thing?
> and I also really like guy like muscular men
> …Living a new life by reincarnating is the most appealing thing to me. I want to be a little girl
> the many crossroads of Prickly_Cactus. Which one will I take? Go down the transhumanist path and continue my study of ai and biology? Become more of an existentialist and take up writing? Become full anarchist and go organize in Greece?
> well when I watch traps, I think about myself as the trap
> something about taking it up the ass seems really appealing to me

No, you do need the third world proletariat. How do you expect to take over in the US and crush capitalism, exactly? What's your programme? You're clearly not attacking capitalism at its root by not organizing the proletariat who produces what is necessary for the functioning of capital, so how are you going to actually pose a threat to capitalism?

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I think they can and have clearly organized themselves. What we need is a movement of third party and independent market socialists, from within the US, as anything else would be stupid. I think the contradictions in the superstructure, where the right wing has been used to attacking social democracy and liberals have been used to attacking neo-liberalism, makes room for market socialism to prevent itself as a third-way.

From there, after pushing for more worker ownership, progressive taxes on individuals, and public financing of elections, the goal will be to win the white house and then wait for the next crisis to use the intelligence community to bring down the most powerful bourgeoisie and collectivize all remaining major industry.

ok

I'm open to other revolutionary praxis that don't directly contradict my own. What's your stratagem?

saying "anything else would be stupid" doesn't make you seem open to other praxis

Obviously revolution in the first world would make things easier, but saying that it's necessary to prevent movements from being crushed is just plain unsupported by history

Sounds to me like you're essentially a reformist. You're relying on the possibility of being able to, within the system of liberal democracy, somehow take power while maintaining a revolutionary platform. Despite this being the reason democracy exists, to displace revolutionary fervor onto a safe pseudo-political arena where, if necessary, reforms can be made to appease the ruled.

So now you'd have to explain how exactly you expect market socialists to seize power through the political system when you're already massively outnumbered in every branch by politicians who are bought out by capitalists and will outvote anything you push - assuming you were somehow able to elect a market socialist. Which is doubtful considering that the best the US can do is a fucking socdem who didn't even get the nomination.

I was being hyperbolic. And yes, there are ways for communist parties to maintain control of third world countries despite first world opposition. But you will be unable to destroy capitalism without control of the first world, and specifically, the United States.

Oh, no, the platform is not what's revolutionary at all. The platform is to establish a worker owned option for nearly all goods and services. This is used to get power, after which we allow circumstances to drive change in the platform to a more revolutionary level.

As for being outnumbered, it's precisely because of the two parties and the vitriol between them we'll be able to get anything done, by serving as a mediator between them and playing them off each other. And yes S█████ lost, but he got some 45% percent of the vote, and more and more millennials skeptical of capitalism are coming of voter age every year.

I would say Canada but they only accept non-white immigrants. Tough luck you sand nigger dick sucking faggot.

You need to go back

Canada is just SJW. It is nowhere close to left-wing. Canada is not really much more left than the United States. Free basic health care. That's about it really. I don't qualify for NEETbux or autismbux here.

IIRC, they actually have less economic regulation than the US. Libertarians only consider it worse because they literally hate poor people and want them dead, not for the sake of any principles

My dick.

You faggots ban people for good posts? No wonder this place is shit.

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Looks like the mods here already that butthurt faggots that don't allow anything that hasn't to do with muh leftism.