How this ain't supposed to happen in Real Communism™ too?
How this ain't supposed to happen in Real Communism™ too?
Eli Jones
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Bentley Johnson
Remember to sage you stupid faggots.
Christian Myers
I'm serious
Lucas Smith
Well under full communism it wouldn't happen because there would be no (material) reason for it to happen. Though I suppose it could still happen if a bunch of people decided to act purely out of malice.
Thomas Parker
it doesn't matter, your thread is cancer and so are the retards that keep bumping them, like this one right here:
Jacob Lewis
That's what I always think about, anarcho-communism is like ancap shit on this matter, you never know if there is motherfucker planning to gather power and put people to rally for himself through religious/philosophy or claiming a certain part of it is prejudiced (identity politics).
Zachary Mitchell
because the state would kill them before they create their civilisations.
also if someone wanted to arrogate the means of production, will be killed by everyone else.
Matthew Scott
Literally no war in history happened without some underlying economic cause. Anarchocapitalism suggests continuing economic individualism that proposes people being in competition with one another for resources. Anarchocommunism suggests making all resources available to all and thus negating any underlying economic cause to start wars.
Dylan Scott
Don't be like that user, rising up to the challenge is what this board is all about right?
Right?
Ryder Martin
Take a load off liberal
Josiah Myers
Most of wars had some powergrubbing leader behind it, sometimes using the poor or religious to fight for them.
In ancap they think taking out the government and let everyone with their property will stop anyone from taking over, which is bs, but ancom goes even beyond and claims people will somehow not give up their property or even want other's in the first place so it won't happen.
It's literally it can't happen because it won't.
Thomas Miller
tuvan throat singing is pretty cool
Carter Bennett
Source me every single war
Isaiah Brooks
In global FALC, every person has access to whatever commodities they want, and I'd say most war is started to increase control of productive property (slaves in slave society, land in feudalism, resources in capitalism), and increase their own individual wealth or the wealth of the ruling class
War might still happen over ideology like religion, so a voluntary militia supplied by all the communes might be necessary to prevent something like that. You could have communally controlled military without a state(militia is voluntary and supplied voluntarily, as well as missiles and drones controlled by an elected body that has no power to violate anyone's autonomy or use violence other than to fight some army of religious zealots or something)
In non FAL communism, it'd be more difficult but you can still have a militia without a state
Charles Jenkins
It already has. That's why commies are eternally BTFO
Eli Baker
Okay, suppose there's a famine and a group of hungry people grab weapons to steamroll the public granary and start a derpy city-state. Is that impossible under communism?
Julian Johnson
The primary driver and function of conquest lie in the modes of production and class society.
There may still be violence, but not of the conquest variety, as there will no longer be anything to "conquer".
Ayden Reyes
A famine is impossible under communism.
Lucas Williams
Drought and pestilence are impossible under communism?
Grayson Cox
But nobody has any reason to follow this dumb fucker, they are already comfortable and liberated, also the rest of the population would be armed and quite ready to defend their co-ops
Carson Harris
We don't live in Middle-Age anymore: drought and pestilence do not suffice to provoke a global famine.
Gavin Gomez
The "real" and "true" communism kids are the worst. It always ends up to be anarcho kids and then they make it worse for everyone else when there's so many other ideologies.
Not if the person seizing it bribes others of your community with enticing promises of position and power like in all other times in the past. And they will as history has shown.
Bentley Robinson
They don't have to because regional famines still exist today and they are devastating.
Xavier Howard
Long term goal for ALL communists is a stateless society where all the trappings of capitalism - including resource scarcity - would go away - as well as spooks like nationalism
It is how to reach that point that dominates theory
Bentley Gutierrez
Regional famines in a global economy which productive capacities are way sufficient to feed everyone. That's one of capitalism's contradictions that communism is going to solve.
Julian Mitchell
The entire concept of statelessness is a total meme tbh. Every society will always develop a state in one form or another because it will quickly be realized that the rules of the society will need to be enforced, meaning that there will need to be a body that has a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.
Jayden Thompson
Oh, human nature. Long time no see.
Adam Cooper
Luis Stewart
Anyone's violence will be legitimate, if it's to enforce society's rules.
Jace Flores
It's not about human nature, it's simply about making deals. That is what communism at its core will be about in not society making deals on all issues and means but capital as there is no currency.
Adam Johnson
Could you rephrase this? I don't get what you mean.
Hunter Martinez
Doesn't have to be a global famine, unless depopulation is a real goal.
Justin Rodriguez
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Zachary Martinez
For someone to starve in a communist society, the famine would have to be global.
Christian Sanders
People who either want to be part in the scheme or believe the system is not luxurious enough, specially when a communist system would probably not get past from a mostly agrarian society with substantial farming and tight use of resources.
It's tough shit but people really don't give a damn about self reliance and freedom preferring iphones and starbucks.