Redpill me on Venezuela. It seems like a clusterfuck to me

Redpill me on Venezuela. It seems like a clusterfuck to me.

Hard Mode: Don't say it wasn't Socialist. Let's face it. It largely was.

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Its shit and not socalist

It wasn't socialist.

It's not socialist you stupid nigger

It had one of the largest oil reserves in the world, and tried to once again be the Saudi Arabi of South America. Instead of taxing the oil, the government subsidized it. Progressives looked away, instead celebrating the increased living standards of the Venezuelan people. Now oil floods the black market thanks in part to a corrupt police force. They were commanded by Hugo Chavez to defend the "one-percent" (they comprised most of the protestors, since being arrested is just not the same under a socialist regime). The government also planned to raise revenue by building touristy hotspots where poor people were barred from entering because they would beg the tourists for money. Nicholas Maduro is basically a rubberstamp for Chavez's goals.

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how about no?
Nationalizing one industry does not make a country socialist

Workers totally owned the means of production

You caught us

It's over

Socialism BTFO, it's over

You have a set opinion and want confirmation by others. Thus, there is not point in talking with you.

'Resource curse' maybe

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I think you should take the brown pill instead

Bolivarianism is socialism.

Holla Forums had this thread recently and it turned out Holla Forums is completely fucking clueless when it comes to running a functional government and society.

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this is how socialism works xD

Shit b8, fam.

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anarkiddies are the only fags constantly whining about "not socialism"

social democracy is a form of socialism
it's a shitty one tho that will lead into crisis, as it did
ML and others had warned, in solidarity, for the bolivarian revolution to move on and go next steps of class struggles
they did not, this is the result


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm

totally not vague enough to say a parliamental democracy with worker participation doesn't count

but sure, let's go with that
anarchism and market socialism therefore do not fall under socialism and only the soviet union and some others were a legitimate example for real socialism as the state was worker controlled and the economy actually planned, therefore the means of production used by the will of the workers and not a "secret society" (anarchism) or market mechanisms.

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yet again, anarkiddy classic move

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do you have that pic where Marx says Rome was Socialist? I have the Hagrid one.

It was "socialist" in the sense that retarded burgers think socialism means le free stuff from le government.

For comparison, the Soviet Union is now regarded poorly as being authoritarian and inefficient, but it at least did something that could be construed as socialist from one unpopular perspective, if you actually believe the bureaucrats represented the working class. In Venezuela, literally all that happened was the government sold oil and bought people shit with the money. It was suicidal policy from any perspective.

Would it not be more accurate to say that they tried socialism but were just really bad at it?

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regardless of the intended model of ownership, holding on to a single export economic model always leads into a clusterfuck.

Wasn't foreign capital flight also one of the main reasons behind the collapse? The one issue that we all have to admit would occur under even the most perfect socialist system is that foreign porkies would pull their money out of the country at the first sign of trouble, leading to major economic issues.

Pretty much. The fallacy at work here is the assertion that if you consider yourself a socialist, you have to rationalize or even account for anything ever done by anyone who does the same.


BASED LATUFF

dang

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Please stop, you make the Left look like tumblr parodies.

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