Why are working class people right wing (besides misinformation and manipulation)?

Why are working class people right wing (besides misinformation and manipulation)?

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They really aren't.

Ignorance, and as you said misinformation etc. You can argue that left-wingers are at fault for not appealing to the working class enough but let's be honest, people have to meet you half way. If someone is happy watching reality TV all their life and thinks politics is for other people what can you do.

Because most human beings are uncritical, gullible, easily-led morons.

because the left in the first world is full SJW

Do you have any hard statistic ?

every second you spend working is a second you can't spend reading books, talking to someone or thinking for yourself.

gerfags check out youtube.com/user/Anarchonauten it's actually pretty good even if anarchy isn't what we want.

…oh, and idk how it is in other countries, but here we have this huge evil union called IG Metall that unites all sorts of metal workers and possibly others too and makes them protest for more weapon exports because muh jobs are more important than nigger lives.
i guess they also spread relevant propaganda.
sage for double post.

It's deutschsprachige anons, thank you very much.

The left is too much focussed on identity politics, theory or "actually making progress"social democracy. In addition to that, the left denounces "workers populism" on grounds of "ITS NOT SOCIALIST TO DO X BECAUSE IN MY IDEAL COMMUNIST WORLD X WOULD BE NO PROBLEM".

This leads us to today.

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The left now focuses on "movement-building" which is actually a conservative German romanticist strategy.

institutionalized education and mass media prevent people from thinking for themselves.
Almost everyone here is a loner or had some kind of weird childbringing that alienated them from mass media in some way.

Because the right offers easy answers to hard questions.

The problem is that said answers are bullshit hidden behind flashy rhetoric and don't actually even address the root of the problem itself.

and stopped reading there

you shouldnt give your opinion if you havent actually read any history on the subject

You shouldn't judge someones knowledge off the start of one sentence, dickwad.

This

who sayes they are?

thanks Deutsch gömeläde

even if they make it obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about so they're just pointing to a leftypol boogeyman?

Yeah 'cause too much theory is our problem…

These days, more than anything, it's because of the SJWs.

Radical leftists have always been off-putting to the average person, but SJWs go beyond off-putting into straight-up hostile and completely dismissive of their doubts and concerns.

daily reminder user, there's nothing wrong with admitting you dont know the answer to a question, there's no reason to pull silly things out of your ass.

I said "these days" not "all throughout history".

I'm aware, that doesn't make it any less retarded.

If you can't see the new damages SJWs have done to the appeal of leftist politics then you're fucking blind.

that's not the same as
'the reason the working class are right wing these days is because le ebil SJWs!!'

sorry but is right. you're anonymous (assuming you use tor), stop worrying about your reputation.

they're not. You clearly didn't grow up in the working class.

Because the left went from fighting for the workers against the capitalists to fighting for the welfare queens against the workers while no one is left to stop the capitalists.

Oh I'm fucking sorry, I forgot I am not allowed to think bad thoughts and I am retarded if i dont agree with what you say.


Theory alone. The left is either focussed entirely on theory or completely disregards it and does meaningless organising and protests.

You need to take theory and apply it to the world, not strive for theory as a goal in itself. Theory in itself is meaningless drivel that only groups of "intelligentsia" use to masturbate themselves to. The theories of Marx are useless unless they are actually used to make the population understand capitalism, to make plans and policies. You understanding the ins and outs of the books of Marx and Bukanin is useless unless you can distil them down into simpler, smaller explanations given to the masses according to the situation. While knowing lots of theories and conceptualising the world, helps you understand new situations and predict the future, it is not neccecary for the avarage worker or the less mentally gifted/trained parts of society who just need to understand a part of it so they can focus their frustration on the cause of it. A metal worker does not need to know why IT startups in silicon valley are shit, and an engineer does not need to understand the inner workings of the global economy and its implications on imperialism in the middle east, to understand he is being fucked over.

no, you're retarded when you pretend to know what you're talking about but make it obvious you dont by pointing to leftypol memes.

Explain to me why I am wrong O Lord all mighty knowledge man.

Well, that's what I meant. Not blaming them entirely. It's just an additional complication.

Because the mainstream left abandoned them in favor of brown people and single mothers.

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you forgot to list the comments you replied to. or are you just trying to kill the thread?

That's not necessarily how ideology works.
marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm

youtube.com/watch?v=07_xWQu_va4

I've found that working class people are right-wing (at least in the US) because they value religion and their families much more than they do the promises of a future communist utopia, or even control of the means of production. They would rather work for a boss and lack control of the workplace than promote a system which is unequivocally atheist and critical of the family unit.

you completely ignore the fact that they identify with the people in real positions of power and that the right usually looks out for their interests(but not really) and hold their values while being hostile to other groups(gays, ethnic minorities, people of different religions).

It has absolutely nothing to do with le identity politics, if anything the left's big bad idpol is a reaction to the idpol that was dominant(or maybe just overt) and the right and the working class practice.

they would be left wing if it wasnt for the leftist pro immigration stance.

yes, we know, and OP asked why they are rightwing.
do you speak english?

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The end of the labor shortage and spread of outsourcing in the '70s also meant that workers were now competing for jobs overseas as well as dealing with an ever-present block of unemployed exerting pressure on them. It's become much harder to retain solidarity.

The left is obsessed with working (see: gulags) and ironically while we are often associated with SJWs the right allows for more avenues of discussion that involves things "beyond" class—in fact, you'll find the majority of criticisms of idpol coming from the left rather than the right. Men of all sorts of occupations meet in society. As they go there to unbend their minds and escape from the fetters of business the right feels insolent to speak to a man about his profession: do not talk of politics to a journalist, of fevers to a physician, of stocks to a broker—nor, unless you wish to enrage him to the utmost, of education to a collegian. Nothing is more unmannerly than to reflect on any man's profession, sect, or natural affinity. He who stirs up against himself another's self-love, provokes the strongest passions in human nature. Perhaps we suffer from a lack of imagination, or perhaps just not enough of it.

Because they're nominally actually reactionary. They often don't actually practice social conservatism that well, but they believe it anyway.

Because there are no actually reactionary leftists anymore. The working class supports capitalism because communism became associated with hedonism and militant atheism.

The social aspects of the Left became part of the status quo and entrenched defenders of it.
Note how the concerns of working class people are attacked on the basis that the problem descriptions themselves are wrong, in need of being "educated" away or similar weasel words, or derided as a non-issue on the basis of being uncouth to middle-upper class ears and therefore not a genuine issue.

See for example the huge derision surrounding the "muslamic rayguns" man in the UK which not only turned out to be utterly true but also an extremely widespread problem, both of which were attempted to be swept under the rug after it came to public knowledge.

This.

It's pretty obvious to minorities which are close to being the majority that leftist are on average bigoted toward them and try to hide it with economic determinism.

They scream about any minority idpol while conveniently ignoring material manifestations of white idpol like systemic racism.

SJWs have had little to no material manifestations of their idpol that could be considered oppressive. Having people consider new words impolite and sharing bathrooms with trans isn't oppressive.

Leftists dismiss idpol out of hand because some porky backed women's studies departments spout bullshit then wonder why voters flock to liberals when liberals offer the most superficial of concessions to their plight

No you fucking idiot. We dismiss identity politics on both sides. Identity politics for "black people" in reaction to identity politics for "white people" is not going to fix anything, its only going to intensify the hatred between these artificially created groups.

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Idpol was actually always a rightwing thing, from monarchs, to the wealthy establishment, peering down their nose at the poor. Equality, wasn't. Since you can't have equality under capitalism, only idpol because allowed and brought up (exploited), this time in a 'left wing' coating. It wasn't equality or the concepts of "social justice" that was ever the problem, it was when that which wasn't allowed - looking at the economic structure - was tossed aside, everyone selling out more or less, and a form of incrementalism ("let's just do what they let us, do"), was accepted.

Walk up to some puritan-like moralistic borgy politician always talking about the morality of the society and how the poor are poor because of their own failings, and talk about supporting or deriding people based on their identity - and you won't have an issue. Maybe they'll disagree, but they'll allow you.

All the while these kinds of people think they're making "gains" in the system, but every step of the way they sold out all actual change, and didn't do anything but play into (again what was always rightwing/establishment, and conservative… ) the hands of the capitalists.

This doesn't mean the idea of equality is wrong. It just means that under capitalism, this is what you get. When these kinds of theories then become the capitalist 'puppet' to hold up and say "SEE! we're of the left, we are totally of the people", and people lower down on the economic change see those kinds of 'leftist parties' being the top while all their economic concerns are not just ignored, but in some cases their own personas are attacked (again, just like the previous incarnation of idpol, which was the church, "muh fun stuff", established wealth, etc.), you get the other side of the trap kicking in; as what is pushed in the media about the issue isn't that economics are being ignored, but that people are either identity this or identity that. And the field is left wide open (probably intentionally) to, that very same old conservative/religious (church style, not commie christian) grouping.

Everyone involved in power here is a capitalist, and everything that is supported and "brought up into the light" are things that don't at all attack capitalism.

Other than that, (which explains some of the perceived appeal of the 'rightwing'); most workers all across the world are not and have never been conservative, they might hold some fairly uninformed opinions but traditionally, the left that is now all seem as 'academic' (especially after the higher ups sold the working class out but still dared to call themselves 'the woke people of the left'), was always amongst the people.

It's slightly different, in the US, of course, but in Europe coming from a working class family (even if the media tries to portray them all as racist, pro-capitalist, reactionary crazies) meant you voted for your labor party, you had sympathies with the commie parties, and you stood for labor, socialism, and against fascism, disliked the greed in capitalism and was more or less just pro-people.

It's the US that has that crazy "we all hate commies amirite" history it keeps trying to superimpose over everyone else's nations.

Present day scenario is fairly convoluted, due to mentioned propaganda and tactics, but that's about it.

Damn straight.

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Most leftists are pretentious middle class twats who want to sit around pontificating over something they read in a book, rather than actually taking action to change a system that they derive benefit from.

Bingo! We need to find a way to "promise" them that controling the means of production will make them more happy to be religious and spend more times with their familiy. It's really a win-win situation.

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actually this.

unions have become workers' worst enemy.

which is interesting because they are needed now more than ever in the last half century.

We basically have to start from scratch tbh.

Right, cause there is no such thing as rallies, or anything.

And I don't mean "BLM" rallies that have nothing to do with changing the actual system.

BTFOing Nazis isn't being against all of idpol, even liberals have the sense to do that.

Idpol is apart of the superstructure. It's not the base but it's still really fucking important.

Can you name any.

If it wasn't for SJW's the US would slide right back into cross burning and lynchings like in the 1960's.

So fuck you, fuck your broke dick feelings and fuck your historical revisionism.

Red scare and decades of propaganda

sharing bathroom with trans is materially damaging to women, who quite sensibly wish to be protected from penised/more muscularly endowed persons.

how do you think we feel

the working class would rather blame their problems on any succession of "lazy" misfits whom they import into their most junior positions and then proceed to abuse and then belittle for mysteriously being unhappy and unmotivated to make dineros for porky. it's high school all over again, but this time your paycheck is at stake.

although frankly it's mostly like, "let me bully you as hard as possible so that i can work less and you more and now that that's backfired and you totally fucking hate me we'll move onto the next guy".

at my last job i've literally had people walk into my work station to tell me to do something that they could have done themselves in the time they took to tell me to do that. at that point, it's clearly about power and not productivity.

and also mass famine/genocide

Even though this is largely reactionary logic, let's assume you're right, just for the sake of argument. If sharing a women's bathroom with a transwomen is dangerous, or if sharing a men's bathroom makes you feel insecure, then there are two solutions. You can compromise and make all washrooms unisex because everyone pisses and shits regardless of the genital or chromosomal designation, or you can add a third option, the appropriately gender neutral or even "trans" bathrooms. But are you aware just how much the capitalist class is in favour of the latter, reproducing the existing facilities but only more so to be deconstructed and tapped into differential demographic markets? Of course, neither option will feel satisfactory to you, the former undermines your chauvinism displaced to females that they need protection from their biological converse, and the latter reinforces that trans is normal. Perhaps even for you the third and best solution would be to deny trans access to hormonal and surgical treatment and force them to go into whatever bathroom is written on their birth certificates so that their mental disorders are not prolonged! How laughable then that this kind of thing is exactly like the strategy of embargo that the capitalists use to control the consumption in socialist markets, using state force to protect the already ossified mores of one society over another. Moreover, like every reactionary seems to do, only polemicizes the MtF side of transgender and ignores the circumstance of the FtM aspect. Not only does it work as a counterexample to the rhetoric that biological females "quite sensibly wish to be protected from penised/more muscularly endowed persons" but would that they integrate without your knowing the feelings you have would be irrelevant and the "danger" you seem to blithely dismiss contradicted in only abstract terms. Perhaps even your fear of being in the same bathroom as a pretty male stems from your own repressed homosexual id. It doesn't really make sense though, as transgenderism doesn't have much to do with who you're attracted to, who you try to hit on (if that's what makes you so uncomfortable) or whatever, but rather who you are.

wew lad
ftm are welcome in my bathroom. sexual violence has always been about power too. if i'm mugged by a woman at least i have a fighting chance. the laws as they stand today cast suspicion on a man entering a woman's room.

anyhow i don't care so much about the poopoopeepee places, but when trans want into women's shelters that is where i draw the line. as you're likely well aware many trans are also straight and do abuse their female/formerly female spouses.

Freud did nothing wrong :^)

Also, what's with all these slippery slope appeal to emotional and high tension situations, like mugging and abuse, presented as if there were a substantial basis in facts for these conclusions? Not to mention it's lack of citation makes it seem even more reactionary than before…

Fags ? whats wrong with you ?

is that anfem flag satire m8?

you're familiar with the stats on abuse of women; 1 out of 6 have been raped, one in four experienced significant physical abuse. is
satire as well?

We are not going to build ten shitting rooms in every building.

Why is the %age of the building reserved for defecation a society debate anyway? Trans are like 0,01% of the population. I bet you never met one. Don't you think there are more important issues right now? We are 18 trillion dollars in debt, the world become an Orwellian wet dream, corporations are going to force states to write laws and you are busy discussing poop.

None of that says anything about trans abusing their spouses like you were surmising. Nor about women mugging you as a man. Moreover your saying that contradicts the stat that 3/4ths of transgendered people were abused in domestic relationships such as mother, father, brother, sister, lover, and so on, by nontransgendered, cis people.


Hurrrr what is reading comprehension????

More likely assumptions and arguing in bad faith.

Just build unisex like suggested. I don't even understand this problem.
Is it a US thing? Most bathrooms I've gone to, are unisex, in any work setting. Public stalls are typically divided with not necessarily male and female, but "male because urinals" and "female because not urinals". I don't even like urinals, who fucking does?

Any work, office setting though… it's always been unisex.

The law force public building to have two separate bathrooms because feminists felt unsafe in the men bathroom.

now you're just cynically using buzzwords in hopes that no one will notice that you have no argument. let's make this simple: do you deny that women are frequently victimized on the basis of their sexual dimorphism? do you also deny that mtf share many 2nd/3rtiary sex charateristics with men, despite infrequently (and i emphasize the "infrequently") possessing mutilated genitalia?

very pragmatic, but trans have rejected this: they want to be considered women AND keep their feminine shaft. even more evidence that it's all about validation for them.

trans are at heart antifeminist and antiwomen and this is why i despise them. their loudest and most obnoxious activists are always mtf. have you ever considered why?

Ha, what hypocrisy. But thanks again for ignoring what this is all about in the first place and diverting into discussions that bear no light on the facts but instead hide that really (You) have no argument. Goodbye, faggot.

Because ftw are so rare they are close to nonexistant? Because when they go on the men's side they discover what really happen?

How's it pragmatic? I don't think you understood me. I don't like urinals. Clearly most people in public restrooms don't, either. I don't even understand where the fuck the idea of urinals compared to just having stalls even came from.

I haven't met a single person who prefers to go to use a urinal of a stall is available. Everyone prefers privacy.

Unisex stall bathrooms, IS the pragmatic solution. And I strongly doubt it was feminism or trans women that insisted on the building of urinals.

and why is that? could the extremely high correlation between autogynophilia and trans identity have anything to do with it?

trans won't take the restroom which corresponds to their junk because it's all about validation. i hear tell that real men (tm) are all about the urinals and this younger generation are pussies to insist on privacy but i'm a chick so who am i to judge.

Well, this is a sexual thing and you know the sexuality of people born with a dick is radically different than for people born with a vagina.

Why can't we use words any more?

because words are bigoted obviously.

if someone gets off to dressing in girl's clothes that's their own business but don't tell me i have to pretend you're a woman too.

For Real Men (c), the world is the restroom.

You won't have to pretend at all if they're passing. In fact, they'll probably ignore you too.

You're still not getting it… most men, most people, prefer stalls and privacy period, but yea you're obviously a troll at this point…


Heh. In nature, yes. Public toilet urinals, though? No. Nobody likes those. They're dirty, smell of piss all the time, and no one enjoys doing private shit like that with a stranger.

If you're a chick, and this is about the younger generation just not being "real males" (tm), then I'm Satan incarnate. Hi.

This is my opinion too. I think we should all live and let live, but according to some people, this is fascism now.

I can't force you to not dress as a little girl and you can't force me to not say you are a man when you obviously are one.

Urinals are basically taking your dick out in the open and pissing on a wall while other guys are doing the same.

those people are fine it's the nondiscrimination laws which open up a whole new can of worms which i have a problem with. not that the nc laws are any better. i thought that the whole matter was best left unlegislated tbh.

i've tried suggesting to activists, "what if you create an avenue for legal name change to weed out all the opportunists and creeps," but apparently that's too much to ask for the poor, disenfranchised trans. this entitled "we must have it all or you're a bigot" attitude further confirms my suspicion that the movement is a thoroughly bourgeois one. who else has time for all this fruitless, frankly narcissistic navelgazing?

"sex change" sorry

Mostly everyone on the left who accuses others of the same. This board is a perfect aexample of that.

probably because it's the only place not taken over by idpol. thank god for sanity! tbh the only reason _I_ have time to shitpost here instead of breaking my back 60 hours a week for The Man is because i receive disabilitybux. not everyone is so "lucky" tho.

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lol, good one
this place's idpol is more subtle if only for the fact that it renounces it overtly in order to get it right back in the form of high cultural artefacts that maintain the hard kernel of authority in populism

i'm a bit sleepdeprived for that thought but i assume you're referring to the not infrequent nazi Holla Forums raids.

to be clear i'm comfortable with idpol and generally see blm, feminists as our allies, but think it's foolish to see these problems as more pernicious or damaging than the class struggle. if i criticize them it's to encourage them to clean up their act. watching hillary destroy the first real american socialist movement in decades thru the abuse of feminist rhetoric is NOT an experience i care to repeat.

obviously the socalled trans agenda is full of holes which is why they have to resort to namecalling every time someone disagrees with them.

I think he is referring to the many dichotomies inside the left, like socialists/communists/anarchists and more accurately, how everyone follow a particular doctrine and get his own political identity

They aren't

Growing up under capitalism shapes your thinking to the point you can't see an alternative. That plus conscious propaganda.

That's why we need a vanguard. Read Bordiga.

But this is the reason; they believe socialism is the government taken half of their income, which leads them to be right wing.

Can't blame them. The politicians on the left goes: tax the working men to death to feed my minions.

It's hard to feed the hand that bite you.

ftfy

because the more labourish one is the more stupid he is and the more stupid he is the more right-wing he is

The moderate left want to take your money and to tell you how to live your life.

Want to support the radical left?

Because contradictory conscience.

Read Gramsci, Lukacs and Lenin

Dude a bunch of so called leftist on this board are just asspiring bourgeoisie. So all the fighting shouldn't surprise you.

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Fuck off.

Well, besides misinformation and manipulation manly because of this

and this


People are spooked as fuck and won't support leftism because it is associated with things that hurts their (spooky) fee fees.

Working class people used to be left wing in Britain, and were strongly class conscious and mobilised. What happened here was the Labour Party imported three and a half million non white immigrants who undercut the labour rate and formed ethnically distinct enclaves displacing these whites from their homes.

The left abandoned white working class people, and advertised it's distaste for them. The left is now openly radical in the sense that it embraces the ideas of socialism and collectivism openly but it has lost any legitimacy in the eyes of the white working class, which, let's face it, is the only working class. The Muslims aren't class conscious, they're Muslim. The blacks aren't- they're black. Identity politics has wrecked the left.

Pretty based post. You're a lot less shit than the anfem from a month ago.

You answered your own question, OP.

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The left supports mass importation of foreign labourers. Leaving aside questions of racial tension, these mass imports are basically making it harder for the working class to find jobs and lowering the effective wages when they do, because labour's supply rises while demand does not.

Even when immigrants are bringing businesses, they still tend to only hire from their community. A Chinese man can find employment at any white owned small business but a Chinese small business will only hire other Chinese. Similarly nonwhites who gain managerial positions in white companies will start replacing workers below them with members of their own ethnic group. I've watched this happen in various real estate companies in Ontario where a Filipino will get put in charge of a region of buildings, and a couple years later he's replaced all the white building supers with other Filipinos. If a white man did this with the races reversed the left would be howling with rage. When a nonwhite does it lol who cares, quit whining whitey, you have privilige.

This builds enormous resentment in the working class who feel as though their country is being colonized and they're getting the short end of the stick, and they correctly see the left as wholeheartedly bringing this about.

Add on the fact that working class people are generally mildly actually reactionary and feel disgust (mild or severe) towards the LGBT/fat acceptance/etc that the left supports, and the fact that white leftists are often sickly, scrawny weaklings who don't do any manual labour, and you get a working class that really doesn't like the left. And why should they?

And the left will adamantly refuse to reconcile with any of this, choosing instead to use immigrants as reinforcements against the working class.

Having a lower income negatively impacts IQ.

You're talking about capitalism, and the global economy. Even the refugees are victims of capitalist wars, and you're blaming the victims and the scapegoats while resorting to "if they just weren't here, then the capitalist system itself would just be fine", forgetting that the growth of said system and maintenance of it couldn't even function without surplus labor to begin with and that it depends on you and the antagonisms and conflicts that you so immediately buy into with your words here - to do just that - instead of uniting with labor and acting as a class against the capitalism of all countries.

You are not speaking for the working class that wants a change of their circumstances, but for slaves that look at wherever their master points. In fact, you are precisely being a part of this propaganda effort. You are essentially an enemy, of the working class, when you act under these toxic twists and engage in the same perversion that the upper -class supported "alternatives" to the communists and revolutionary left, has always had.

Pretending to be the 'real working class' group while their parties and movements were always funded by the capitalists, the banks, and the big investors of the world.

If you are honest, and not acting as a literal spook, then you're just too blinded by your own insistence upon bringing everything to be used as a 'proof' or 'evidence' of some other identity or foreigner being horrible that you're the kind of person who you can't even talk about statistics to because everything socioeconomic conditions wise and economic systems overall will be ignored the second you see any concentration of group of people living in one area that happens to be poor, and happens to have ghettoes that share identifiable cosmetic traits. Regardless of how, that ghettoification (re: other factors) occurred.

Straw man annihilated

Those pics pretty much say it. The distinguishing feature of capitalism is that it is not political. Politics is essentially divide and conquer. It can only unify people under deception and tyranny. I also reject collectivist side of capitalism, that is the beehive model of the great city. Isn't this rejection the impetus of socialism? Isn't socialism a cry for the return of individual rights that formed this American nation?

Could you actually try to refute anything I said, instead of a whole lot of vague bullshit laced with the usual "if you fight for your own interests you're actually helping the capitalists!" Holla Forums crap?

Could you try not being a spooked up idiot that ignores whatever answer he doesn't like?

Failing that you could at least kill yourself.

I very much doubt that povery was ever a product of "natural scarcity", sure ye died younger and life was hard way back when but the game hasnt changed that much still the same gang of cunts that its always been

The question in the OP is, why does the working class lean to the right? I gave an explanation.

If you think it doesn't describe current working class sentiment, explain why. If you think it's accurate but want to discuss why you feel the working class is wrong, at least say so.

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Third Worlders don't care about uniting with us anymore than the reverse.

Because the left wing calls them racist cause they didn't let dindu nuffin black muslims grope there children in the name of ackbar

Is this a parody board?

Haha it's ironic you choose a picture of two bourgeoisie or porky bootlickers. They're trying to approximate the look they think shows an elevated class status.

Bottle blonde hair to appear more WASP
Fake tan to appear to have excess leisure time.
Borderline anorexic, I know some women are naturally this thin but you can't tell me being thin hasn't become a class status symbol because poor people have access to primarily fatty surgery food.

So yeah this picture fits perfectly with your attempt to trick to proletariat into not using one of their tools (non-violent protest) to effect change.

They sure didn't seem to mind when the Tories and Catholics were fucking their kids.

That isn't irony.

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rupert murdoch

the left sold out