Thanks Gram-Gram

According to my late grandmother's attorney, I'm going to be inheriting some land worth around 200k, up to possibly 250k. It supposedly has some sentimental family value, but seeing as grammy was a capitalist, and came into possession of the land through porky-like ways, I'm going to sell it. So my question is, what should I do with the money? I had an idea to open some sort of cooperatively owned bookstore with a coffee shop, but maybe it would be more ideologically consistent to give the money away. What would Holla Forums do?

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fairtrade.org.uk/en/farmers-and-workers/coffee
marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/
coopfunding.net/en/
abundanceinvestment.com/
morningstaronline.co.uk/support
opensourceecology.org
youtube.com/watch?v=HqcbgSpHMFs
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very high end escorts and a shit ton of drugs

that's what I'd probably do if I was ever in your situation, tbh

Start a co-op business
Are you insane? Don't give money to strangers, they might use it for something like getting drugs, alchohol or completely wasting it. Just use it as you best see fit.

true champange socialists i see

I've always been more or less broke as fuck. Sure, I can say now that I'd do something good with it, but in the event that over 200k is just dropped in my lap overnight, I feel like I'd just go crazy.

The co-op bookstore/coffee shop.

I'm in a similar situation, though in my case it's like 1/20th of a plot used for farming and I don't think it's worth 200k. In any case I'm using the money to record an album and if things go like they're going will probably go on a tour of shitty venues across the US within a year. Maybe get on warped tour and suck porky cock to play for scenie weeines.

I'll never understand this tbh. Guess I just want people to want me and look good enough to get that. Anyways do speedballs or ex, those will make sex fucking fantastic.

So you get the 200k then what?

If I were you, I'd put the majority into a high yield savings account and live frugally on the rest without having to work in porky's economy. Then you can spend your spare time doing whatever you want, maybe doing something creative to promote socialism, or going back to school.

ah fuck didn't mean to tripfag fuck fuck when will they fix the ouroboros app…

That's just it. I haven't been in a situation like that so I really have no idea what would happen. I'm guessing that a crazy week long bender followed by driving a nice car off a cliff would be a definite possibility, though.

Yea that's basically what the attorney says I should do. But I have mixed feelings about becoming one of these investor-class assholes. I kind of always hated those types. After all, you're basically making money eye off of other's debt slavery aren't you? I dunno.

I love you grandma but my god are you fucking stupid

I always enjoy insights into the propertarian mind.

read Engels

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How about investing in local businesses that are consistent with your ideological principles? Like a co-op, or just a regular business where you know the owner pays his employees a living wage or otherwise treats them well.

but they're scum and my grandma is stupid for loaning them money and thinking they were going to be able to pay her back. There's nothing wrong with helping people but dont give 400k to impoverished faggots that haven't accomplished anything in their life. Fuck I'm so mad at my grandma for being such a spineless cuckold dumbass


They're loud, destructive, and love to steal small things, fuck them.

Is it arable land? then you could grow weed lmao once it gets legalized and make so much cach from it you could fund the YPG and get a kurdish qt

Jk, just start the co-op.

They sound much more pleasant then you.

Yeah, go ahead and throw away what your granny worked for. At least you will get some false sense moral superiority out of it. Don't you just wish you were living in a commie paradise where 100% of that money was taken by the state? How about you put your money where your mouth is and give it away to some impoverished workers you delusional sadomasochist.

Let me guess you'll sell fairtrade coffee too?

Why don't you be a little more ambitious and set up a cooperative that manufactures something. I would kill for liquid shower gel made by a first world manufacturer, the closest I have is some beeswax cooperative in the UK that makes solid bar soap which doesn't lather well in hard water.

gram-gram shill detected

This is the gayest thing I've heard in my entire life. How hypocritical are you? Do you think that the poor workers you claim to represent spend their time obsessing over faggy soap?

BOURGEOIS DETECTED

I'm a prole (who works in a factory no less), I exchange my labour for a wage. Stop using words that you don't understand.

And how presumptious of you, to think proles don't give a shit about the origin of the goods that they consume. Soap is a low hanging fruit target for someone like OP, I'd love a cooperative CPU manufacturer but I'm being realistic with OPs inheritance.

What is the alternative in your fantasy world?


No, they don't in your fantasy they are starving peasants being oppressed by anthropomorphic pigs.

kill yourself you quasi leftist piece of shit, you are squandering the land for no reason other than bourgeois moralism.

Fuck no, invest the money in index funds and aim at becoming financially independent.

idk why I come here I have nothing in common with any of you

Holy fuck you need to stop posting already.

Show me a single other example of this.

How would we make soap? Rendering fat from liposuction clinics?


He's talking about and if I had to hazard a guess.

Do you know what bourgeois means? Given that you called me one earlier.


Sweatshop workers often aren't well-fed.

Stop being a contrarian asshole.

Fat plus alkali like highschool chemistry should have taught you, but seriously it's not as arduous as sourcing fat from liposuction clinics.

Plus don't make bar soap, hardly anybody uses that crap.

If you can think of something better to manufacture that people consume a significant amount of, do that instead.

Apparently the average consumer in the US spends $119 a month on pharmaceutical products (no distinction is made as to what kind):

statisticbrain.com/what-consumers-spend-each-month/

Do the bookstore and have profits go to charity [This coffee had better be anime af]

Like Starbucks you mean?

Yeah it's basically middle class


How is this at all contrarian? You obviously aren't an unfed sweatshop worker, or you wouldn't be bitching about your faggot bee cream aftershave of whatever.

Jesus Christ

go drink yourself to death

Bourgeois doesn't mean middle class you dumb motherfucker.

So, do whatever you can do to keep your smugness and sense of moral/intellectual superiority without actually doing anything.

That's the traditional meaning of the word. Maybe not the communist rhetorical definition.

I don't drink tho

funny that you say that

No just put a modicum of effort into damn well paying for goods manufactured under more socially responsible guidelines (better yet buy second hand if possible), rather then buying from the scummiest producers first and then paying a pittance to some self-righteous charity to rehabilitate soldiers from the Congo like an indulgence, when you funded the recruitment of the child soldiers to begin with when you bought your conflict mineral containing Iphone.

In the context of coffee, which even under Fair Trade (it should be called fairER, not fair) is almost without exception produced in a asymmetric relationship or even parasitical one I would go as far to say with regards to the West ie coffee farmers have it shit even with feel good programs like Fair Trade.

fairtrade.org.uk/en/farmers-and-workers/coffee

Instead of donating a percentage of the profit to charity, how about the coffee growers get that instead? After all it's their surplus value if anything, I'd be pissed off as a coffee grower getting paid a pittance knowing that some Western yuppie was ripping me off for my produce to donate what he stole to some vanity charity of his choice.

Lots of conflicting opinions here I see. I like the manufacturing idea. But then do I pay the workers a set amount or give them a percentage of the earnings from the company? What if there are no earnings in the early days/months? Thanks

marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/

Critique of charity is not some new kind of edgy rebellion, I implore you to read this essay by Wilde for a good scope of what the anti-charity socialist argument mostly entails.

Sage because I should have included this in my last post.

Yea I've read about the problems with the coffee business. It's pretty complex. Seems you have to just trust your supplier or go down and get it your damn self.

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There must be cooperative business guidebooks on how to manage such organisations, as they obviously exist including manufacturing ones.

Most cooperatives that I know of, pay a set wage (not everybody is necessarily paid the same, that is very rare if anything), and then receive a dividend or share of the profits at an annual general meeting.

For it to be truly a cooperative rather than a feel good Dickensian liberal project, you must allow all of your workers a vote on who gets to manage the company.

I imagine you will be apprehensive to be risking your investment so suddenly, so you may wish to set up the company as a private venture first to prove your competence and earn the trust of your employees. Which should then lead you to mutualise the assets and then when you are fucking up, you know you will deserve your removal.

See, there you go again… I don't own an Iphone and I don't buy coffee from starbucks (I don't drink it at all). Have you noticed a trend in all of these easily exploitable goods (coffee, bananas, chocolate…etc) they don't grow well in the western world. Maybe these 3rd worlders should industrialize themselves and adapt more nationalist policies.


The vast majority of people will buy from the cheapest source that's supply and demand. The reason that these people in resource rich countries aren't more prosperous isn't because of the free market, it's the result of incompetence.

Just read the first line m8 and it's already hypocritical nonsense. How exactly will the government stealing from you and subsidizing everything "relieve us from that sordid necessity of living for others"?

Yea ill check amazon for a guidebook of some sort. A combination of salary and company earnings makes sense. I think an important part is having people you can trust and work well with.

They were examples, geez. The argument didn't rest on whether you own an Iphone or whether you drink coffee. Is comprehension not your strong suit?


That's so obtuse, thanks for offering no insight. You may as well have said, "maybe if they worked harder, they might not have it so shit". Nationalist policies, excuse me? Would you consider the west to be exercising "nationalist policies"?


That's irrelevant to what I said, so what? Really what was your point? Am I now supposed to stop buying the Fair(er) Trade coffee because there's a cheaper brand that the majority of people buy that one instead?


That's definitely not how supply and demand works or is even defined.


I agree that it isn't the free market as such as thing could not exist, however such a nuanced topic such as the economics of the "developing" world can not simply be boiled down to incompetence. It's barely a postulation, any idiot in high-school could offer this insight.

Ya know, the more I think about it, I'm pretty sure if I try to invest it or start a business, I'm just gonna lose it anyway. So before that happens, I'm probably going to donate the money. Not all of it, mind you, ill keep enough to live on. But the vast majority of it. So what are some worthy causes?

TBH I would still go with what the other guy said and make a co-op that manufactures something. But it's up to you, maybe give it to YPG or something.

I think I've decided to give it to Earth First. I've always liked those guys but I'm not sure how to give them donations since they're technically not supposed to exist anymore. Failing that, I could just go with Greenpeace.

Bourgeois= capitalist class= majority if not the whole of their income comes frome capital and not labor. If anything, middle class can be petit bourgeois if their stock and share portfolio is a non neglectible part of their income.

I'm thinking a communist- normalfag dictionnary would be required in the FAQ


it"s a "socialism means big governement episode"

No, maybe if we did we wouldn't have moved all of our manufacturing overseas in the name of globalism.


No, but that doesn't change the outcome.


The supply of these goods are high enough as to not cost an arm and a leg. The reason for this is that the nations that they come from are far from civilized, this may be their only main source of income. So, you can bet your ass that they aren't simply being exploited, but their nation itself simply isn't developed.


Then the reason must be exploitation because everyone everywhere is 100% the same sarcasm. You don't see people from Finland or Iceland struggling, do you? Reason being is that they as a whole are more intelligent and civil, despite living in a harsh environment in contrast to the rich resource environment of these 3rd world nations.

How is socialism not "big government"? You would have to be absolutely retarded to say it isn't.

Medical research, alternate energy research, technology development that would improve automation and anti-capitalist propaganda has the most long term benefits.

I implore you to consider some of these:

coopfunding.net/en/

abundanceinvestment.com/

You can even invest in consumer cooperatives directly, I'm member of a retail cooperative and you an invest up to £200,000 in a share account, which accrues interest at 2% and you are entitled to 1 vote regardless of the level of investment. It's a shitty return on your money, but you are supporting the cooperative with a source of cheap credit.

Heck even consider buying shares in The Morning Star, a good leftist class conscious cooperative publication, however you do not earn dividends from your investment, and again you are only entitled to 1 vote. But you will be supporting one of the few decent leftist publications around that seldom pander to idpol or celebrity news garbage:

morningstaronline.co.uk/support

everytime.

okay, so how is it not "big government".

socialism = collective ownership of the means of production

that doesn't imply anything about the size of government

What? Socialism? Did you read first pic of

Can you picture how a cooperative work? Imagine awhole economic system when the workers directly control their workplace. Tht is socialism. It can come in different flavors, but the key point is this. Farmers run their farms, blue collars (and managers depending on who you ask) runs their factories and so on.
The basis of ownership is not: "i buyed this" but "i work there".

Stalinism on the other hand have the state controlling most of the economy because it represent the workers as much as bourgeois democracy represents the people… Very marginally to say the least.

Start your own trotskyite news pamphlet

You should keep the land. The revolution isn't coming that soon. Use it to make more money and donate it to the cause.

Start two and watch the fireworks.

I don't think you really know what socialism is.

Either you're the dumbest leftist alive, or you're just a regular conservative pretending to be a leftist.

If it is agricultural or industrial land that you can actually use, use it to start a branch of this
opensourceecology.org

Tools to make the civilization possible locally, without the absolute reliance on global capitalism, are always beneficial. You might even explore various business models that come with an endeavour like that.

That would require organization, and getting people who are willing to engage in all that agriculture and industry required to go with it.

If the land is however private property made to lease to tenants, then selling it is fine.

The biggest form of advocacy for socialism you can do is start a co-op work with other co-ops in advocacy for yourselves.

I agree you don't have to remain forever loyal to shitty family members, but this is what you sound like.

Don't sell it, create a socialist commune on it.


This chart is complete shit tbh.

Wow that chart is some of the biggest autism I've seen all day

This, definatley this. Grow some crops or something as well and sell what you don't need to buy more stuff for the commune.

I also reccomend checking out youtube channles like Cody'slab for small scale self reliant manurfacturing if your a science guy ad wanna try some stuff

Don't outright sell if the land can be useful. And no do not do the coffeeshop-bookstore…it will just be a haven for white liberals.

Casting my vote for MEMES OF PRODUCTION. Try to make use-values. You could be an investor-parasite I guess if you use your time to advance the cause.

Also this>>900575

donate it to black men on the streets so that they can feed properly, wear decently and come fuck your gf without scaring her :)

That could work. Just offer free land use but be selective of who you let in and require all businesses and housing are co-ops and doesnt wind up looking like a shitty trailer park..

detroit commune?

This basically. Invest a large part of it into high yield stocks, what ever amount an accountant says is best, then separate a significant part of it, and use your stocks to keep filling it. This will be the money that use to fund socialist causes, I would recommend joining an organization and using that money to fund that organization, and make sure you don't get lazy, work for that organization in any capacity that you can. Give yourself a small stipend too, adjusted to inflation, enough to live modestly without getting all cushy. This is basically your own strike fund, making sure that the downs of the market don't impede your organizing.

This way, you are using the system to destroy the system, dialectics in action. When you die, donate it all to the socialist organization(s) of your choosing.

I had a thought too, you may want to keep working so that you are not dependent on your investments, to keep yourself from developing bourge class consciousness.

Can I work with you?
(Also the majority of the thread contains absolutely awful advice that would collapse in the long term. Don't forget it's a capitalist world for now; pick something that is financially sustainable.)


Half a million is not enough to become a rentier. A million is not even enough to become a rentier

Listen up, this is extremely important:

Do not, under any circumstances, do this, you motherfucking idiot! Never fall for that stupid meme that being anti-capitalist means giving away your property. When you do that, you may alleviate someone's minor pain for five seconds - but in the long and mid-range run you're not helping anybody but the capitalist who will eventually invariably take control of what you've abandoned.

A naive hope that everyone becomes a saint if you show them the way will not end exploitation and inequality. Only revolution will. And while you work towards the revolution, use each and every right the state gives you. Otherwise, some asshole will use them instead.

i would create a paradise for amphibians and reptiles in that land and then i would sell tickets for entrance to herpers and nature enthusiasts

My humble suggestion.
youtube.com/watch?v=HqcbgSpHMFs

You're such cancerous scum that I hope you inherit literally nothing.

That land is going to be worth more that 250k some day.
Probably someday soon.

OP, use it to homestead. Maybe, like others ITT have suggested, and depending on how social you are, invite others. Go off-grid.