Why does leftypol REFUSE to reach out to vets...

Why does leftypol REFUSE to reach out to vets? Do you really think a bunch of untrained yuppies that masturbate to japanese cartoon traps can win a class war all by themselves?

kys

This. Any successful revolution needs to have former or current military on their side to be victorious.

I'm a vet. I've been received well here when I reveal my power level. Except for a few idiots that think that military service is evil, most people seem willing to learn. Currently talking to a smallish group of university kids about stuff like this. They seem interested even though I've approached them as a purely defensive kind of instructor. The fear of the rising right is putting the motivation to get some basic training into them. I think Holla Forums shares this view.

I do not think armed struggle is what this generation will see, though. We are not there yet.

Based Kristen

What are you talking about? Leftypol has never trashed the revolutionary potential of fucked over vets. What are you trolling for? Are you going to fill this post with some later added on propaganda sliding things either to the right or the establishment interventionalist propaganda or some shit?

Yeah, I'm sure this woman is a top tier fucking rambo, definitely not a welfare queen pog.

Yes but you know what they say, si vis pacem para bellum. That kind of stuff take time to build. Teaching anything war or fight related is a good idea, i'm glad there are people like you around.

I find it hilarious that Holla Forums can't even speak english anymore, anyone else?

It is, in the empire. It's understandable that you get suckered into it, and you are exploited completely by the empire to be their tools - exploiting essentially noble motivations, but being in the military service of an empire is not good in any way.

The desire (or the material necessity, poverty in most cases, created by the capitalist system to the get easy recruits by what it does not provide to you without you signing off your will to be in their militant service to defend them) to defend the community around you is being exploited, but yea other than that - and for vets that for the most part do see through that shit (but are much more prone to be the anarcho-capitalist kind), sorry. I do see military service, as a lackey of the capitalist empire, as bad - in every way.

Vets are lumpenproles. Zero exceptions.

Even the working ones?

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ok?


When you are a pog in the air force and sit in an air conditioned office doing paperwork, it's an insult to actual soldiers to refer to yourself as a "soldier".

You are not who I was talking about. I'm talking about kiddies that tell me that I should kill myself because having been in the military makes me somehow incompatible with leftism. Yes, the military is used to exploit others, including the soldiers themselves, but being a soldier is as unethical as working for Apple, or washing restrooms at an investment firm. There is no "ethical" occupation in capitalism. Plus, I would not be able to pass on this training if I had not experienced it myself. I think at the very least it can be positive if you become class conscious.

Oh, my apologies then.

Do Holla Forums actually reach out to anyone? You know, i think there is an inherent contradiction in this place that can hinder outreach a lot.
On one hand, this is an anonymous imageboard, with the leftovers of the chan culture (no spoonfeeding- fucking newfags - muh sekreet club and so on). On the other hand, this is leftist hub, we have ideas to export.
Holla Forums solved this by going full reddit. How about us?

We go full efg.

FAGGOT/10
WOULD NOT REVOLT WITH

most people here are edgy teens, who would not want support with anyone like that

My personal hero is the vet of vets. Stop talking shit. I sympathise deeply with people who's own lives have been put at risk for imperialistic interests beyond their own understanding.

Now fuck off.

We grow bunkermag, bunker bantz and any similar projects.

Tbh I can't let you pass on this one, being in the US/UK/etc military makes you directly responsible for the killing of innocents in a way that just being a westerner in general doesn't. Should we try to recruit vets, sure, but let's not coddle them like the right wing do. If they can't understand why what they did was wrong then they'll never be good leftists anyway.

But aren't a lot of people in the military because they don't really have a lot of options? And plenty of military personnel never see combat these days, so when they choose to join they're not going to be thinking about how they contribute to the deaths of innocents.

You don't starve if you don't have a job nowadays, so ultimately you do have a choice. Besides which, plenty of people who join the military do have a choice but do it for the money or for patriotism and so on.


It's hardly like anti-war points of view are particularly hard to find nowadays, and if an aviation mechanic can't see how his job relates to a bombed school he's just wilfully ignorant. In this day and age I don't really accept the argument that 'I didn't know what I was signing up for', if you don't think before you agree to kill people about whether you actually know why you're killing them, I can't say I have much sympathy.

Eh, assuming your flag is legit I'm guessing you really don't know what the culture is like in the US. There are swaths of our population that are totally ignorant of the points you bring up. The media never shows the atrocities the US military commits except when they have literally no choice. Most Americans really believe that the US military is a benevolent peacekeeping force for good in the world, doing important work to keep countries stable and shit. Our media feeds us this shit non-stop and we're constantly hearing that anyone who casts doubt on the military in any way is unpatriotic. 9/11 did a number on Americans' ability to think even remotely straight about the military.

I could care less out about canon fodder for capitalism, honestly.
But if they're willing to fight against it, that's another thing.

Nobody I shot at was innocent. And I don't think any of my guys shot at anyone you could consider innocent. They weren't "bad guys". They were like me.

Every American contributes to the war, by continuing to pay taxes, by continuing to work, this all supports the war. I do not ask you to quit your job to help drain resources from the war machine, so don't ask me to quit mine to do the same. Of course, I no longer do that, but for me it was a job.

What was your motivation for joining the military? You were broke and needed a good job?

I can't fault poor people for joining the military. Even if I think the Military-Industrial Complex is evil. Military recruits are disproportionately poor, disproporitonately African-American, disproportionately Latino. They fight the wars that the chickenhawks won't fight themselves. The chickenhawks are not having their young sons and daughters enlist in the military. That's for sure.

Because probably like 60% of vets would never be socialists and another 20% would be Commissar Cletus at best.

This is a shame considering that most American veterans these days are not from muh privileged backgrounds at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

At least during the time of the draft in Vietnam, there was a chance that sons of rich people would be drafted to go. Though I'm sure there was a lot of corruption in those days that allowed sons of muh privileged background to be off the hook.

Well who's going to fight the battle? People without any sort of expirence with fighting? Dosen't make too much sense.

Well, it's actually because all the guys who join the army today are guys who would be inclined to join the army- lumpenprole "patriotic" conservative bootlicking bootstrappers. Nobody gets drafted anymore, and so these types have a sort of cultural hegemony in the military.

anything "bunker" makes people think of gay nightclubs tho fam

Holla Forums isn't exactly an entity coherent enough to reach out at all tho.

cuz it's either filled with anarcho kiddies who just want to smash stuff or marxsist theorists who sit and theorize about things and accomplish nothing

They are the tools of death that serve the state so fuck them also SAGE.

C u l t o f p e r s o n a l i t y

Well, I told my parents to suck it, so basically I gave up muh muh privilege. I needed a job, and after a year of being on my own, I decided that the military was the place. I figured poor kids did it, so I could too. Hardest thing I ever did up to that point in time. I stayed in for longer than I planned because I enjoyed it. Getting out was very hard because I legitimately enjoyed what I did. I liked being a teacher and a leader. I figure I can continue to do those things outside, though.

Notice how no one here joined the military in order to gain control over it thus having no opposing military force?

The military in the US is civilian-controlled. If you want to control the military, run for president.

Unfortunately, this is the case. Holla Forums is a splintered, red roost who has internalized the anathema of the other boards.

Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
Into the living sea of waking dreams,
Where there is neither sense of life or joys,
But the vast shipwreck of my life’s esteems;
Even the dearest that I loved the best
Are strange—nay, rather, stranger than the rest.

basically we'd need them to form a new Roter Frontkämpferbund

>>>/faggot/

I thought they were mostly white Southerners.

KEK

I have to ask about this imagery.
Are you seriously suggesting that (as far as I can tell) "any touch is bad"? All red areas, all touch is bad, all touch is horrid, even if you're partners? Am I just misunderstanding the imagery here?

What's wrong with being Commissar Cletus?

9/10 iraq/afghanistan veterans would enlist again, even knowing everything we know now.
They'd sign up to kill and be killed for a lie, knowing full well that they're being lied to, in order to keep america exactly the way it is.
But I'm sure they'll turn their guns on the bourgeois government after they read our pamphlets!