THE UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL!

GET READY FOR MEMES!

Plus subversion of said memes and good art by Gurihiru

Gwenpool #1 had not one, not two, not three, but fucking six variant covers.

The fucking cancer killing the industry right there.

We start off with a terribly drawn prologue.

I dont get why Marvel refuses to sexualize her yet they do that with Deadpool all the time., and dont say she's a teenager or that shit, I mean just look at Power Pack for fuck's sake!!
I hate this Nu-Marvel…Where is the…Ha!!…where is the…equality.

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Ok, now we get to the good stuff.

Gurihiru Gwenpool doesn't need to be sexualized. She gives you a boner … in your heart.

I'm quite satisfied with those short shorts she wears in civvies.

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I see the local diversity doesn't like funs.

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Gwenpool #1 ends with sidekick dead.

Are you going to go all the way up to the latest issue, user? This comic kinda goes to shit whenever they bring in alternate artists for crossovers, but the last few issues have been all Gurihiru art, and a pretty wild ride on top of that.

Absolute trash

This.

In Gwenpool #2, Gwen begins her life as a henchmen.

>when America is still being published

Somebody's feeling edgy tonight.

Fine, they're both trash.

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You gonna elaborate on that, or are you gonna leave it as "just cus'"?

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Gwenpool #2 ends with Batroc revealing that he knows Gwen Poole is a fucking fraud.

Gwenpool #3 opens up with Gwen revealing that's she's just a big nerd from another dimension.

That's some deep shit, Batroc.

Whoops, I'm a page ahead.

I like that you can schedule appointments to see Dr. Strange.

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Gwenpool #3 closes with Gwen finally being able to open a bank account in the Marvel Universe! However, in doing so she jeopardizes her current employment.

It's trash because Gwenpool is trash, both as a comic, character, and concept.

Sometimes I wonder if immunity to fall damage and firearm talent are sub-powers that come with being a costumed hero.

Gwenpool is the perfect example of a modern "wasted potential" superhero. She could have been written off as a goofy superhero-wannabe with a heart of gold who grows to be a real responsible superhero, but instead she's written off as she-deadpool. Edgy meme-spouting "cool" girl going on random adventures killing sprees while giving cheap promo to other Marvel heroes. What a waste.

Why do you post in a storytime you're not reading?

I was planning on reading these comics at some point, theyre fun

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Please explain the downfalls of this comic as a fan of it.

You dumped a hot load of bullshit that didn't happen in the comic, fam. That kinda makes people think you didn't read the comic.

Why are you in this thread?

Came in to cut the bullshit surrounding it. Looking to get my niece into comics, but haven't read it. Was my only comment btw

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Deadpool is actually good, user.

Whenever the art isn't by Gurihiru, the writing goes completely to shit for reasons nobody's been able to fully figure out. Additionally, the way Gwen herself is written can be a bit jarring sometimes, like her complete disregard for the lives of background characters and insistence that they're not real people. She's supposed to be a normal person who hopped out of her own universe and into a comic book, but she definitely doesn't act like a normal person.

Thanks user. Might still be ok with a talk beforehand. What's with the SJW rumors? I keep hearing it but haven't seen it. Paranoid overly sensitive faggots just kvetching?

Thanks user

Well, we did establish in her origin that IRL she is a complete aspie.

Do you care about the lives of the randos when you play GTA?

Gwen is a borderline neet. The only thing keeping from going full hikimori is that she got a job as a test subject. Then again, I really wouldn't call that a job, which would make her a neet.


That's because Girihiru gives her charm. Most of the other Marvel artists are complete hacks and shouldn't be anywhere near comic books. There's also a particular writer that pairs with Girihiru and he actually knows how to write fun stories that aren't tumblr-retarded. His name is Christopher Hastings.

NONE OF THEM HAVE A DOG MASK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Well this got storytimed here before but its nice to read again. Thanks OP.

Nobody's saying it's as bad as America, but the writing and characters still aren't good. The comic isn't good, it's just less bad.

Whenever she's in a book that isn't her own ongoing, she goes the same as the rest of Marvel characters.

No, she goes worse. The rest of Marvel characters don't make a joke about breaking the fourth wall once per page, after all.

Gwenpool #4 opens up with Gwen finding a mentor in Batroc the Leaper. She apparently has a knack for firearms. A knack that only exists if the target is stationary, she is also stationary, and she has plenty of time to aim.

Girihiru's art on page 4 makes my heart hurt. It's the kind of art that makes you want to get better at whatever you do.

There are three major problems with Gwenpool, and I'll list them in descending order.

3. There are too many cross-overs. First we had Whor, soon we'll have Miles Spider-Man. While it tapers off after #10 and Hastings handles it well, it reeks of editorial mandate.

2. Any issue where they get fill-in artists is the worst. Girihiru is possibly the only artists working at Marvel that are actually good. Their work fits the feel that Hastings is going for, and when they get other artists it feels disgusting and cringy.

1. The major problem with Gwenpool is the difference between what Hastings is writing her as and what Marvel is selling her as. Hastings is mostly writing her as a self-aware, fourth-wall breaking character, while Marvel is selling her as "LOLMEMES". This marketing direction is the biggest detriment to the series, as it turns people off of a pretty enjoyable comic.

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Gwenpool #4 closes with Gwen becoming the boss. I think.

Honestly its very cute artwork masking mediocre, to bad writing.

Imagine this drawn by the Squirrel girl person.

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Next three issues, the dark ages of gwenpool.

It's Gwenpool #5, and befitting a team up with nigger/spic Spider-Man, the art is done by a lazy fill-in artist.

I might be wrong, but I think editorial is to blame for this.

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Looking at the art, for a moment I thought it was one the artists from Serenity the Christian manga.

Then I looked it up and was disappointed.

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Issue #5 closes with squid aliens out for revenge.

Issue #6 and Girihiru is still MIA.

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You can tell that Irene Strychalski was trying her hardest to imitate Gurihiru's style, trying to make her art look poppy and lively, but she fails miserably.

Gwen's quirkiness lands her in JAIL.

Issue #6 closes with Gwen realizing she isn't having fun anymore.

Strychalski shouldn't draw Gwen without her mask. It becomes very obvious its not Girihiru.

remind you of anything?

GWENPOOL #7 AND GIRIHIRU IS BACK BITCHES!

The squid alien guys invade to get their revenge against Gwenpoolpig. The squid aliens really can't tell species apart.

Gwenpig is best girl.

Though some might have a kneejerk reaction, what Gwen says is true. The squid aliens are, indeed, racist. All earth species look the same to them.

While the aliens go pig wrestling, Gwen goes to meet with MODOK's mysterious client.

It seems Grandpa client simply wants peace and quiet.

By any means necessary.

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Issue #7 closes with Gwen's past coming back to bite her in the ass.

Gwenpool #8. Cops are in league with squid alien arms dealers. Gwen is on the run. The mercenaries need work. And we get new goth waifu bait.

If only comics could afford more artists like Girihiru. They could save the entire industry.

This shit is cute.

Gwen finishes laying out her plan to get the aliens off their back, only for her crew to point out how reckless and dangerous it is to deprive all of New York of their emergency services. Gwen tells them it'll be fine because "it's a comic book".

Of course, nothing is fine. Her crew gets captured by aliens, and their client betrays them.

Issue #8 closes with
DOOM

I like how Gwen doesn't waste time wasting her employer. Her aim could use some work though.

Conventionally you'd put the good artist on the advertising material and covers and have the cheap artist doing the insides, but I guess Marvel has better ideas.

She does know that her live and that of everyone else isn't real and just inside a comic book.
It might be real for the characters next to her, but she sees them as nothing more then background decoration in order to progress her own unreal story.

Any porn?

Hey Holla Forums

good for her for being you know whatever
none of us buy shit anyway

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Thanks user

At least it isn't Miles Morales. Gwen is going to get blacked with dildo in charge.

Hey /ints/

Hey /test/

Despite being a huge yurifag Gwen lusts for the cock of every male Marvel character so much in canon this feels wrong. Artist should at least taken the chance to do some good Lightspeed porn (As much as every other fan seems to hate the sexuality thing, I only care how was horribly written. She only expressed interested in boys after her series went to utter shit so hard it had to be retconned away anyways)

I see what you did there marvel

Not that user but

Because she isn't meant to be a normalfag, she's a forum-dweller who's obsessed about superhero fiction to try to ignore the fact that she can't succeed in real life. Additionally, she initially thinks like any dumb Youtube commenter that because she's in a fictional universe that she has ultimate power over it as a "protagonist" and treats people like players do NPCs in video games: props for her own ego and enjoyment. It takes Cecil's death to snap her the fuck out and realize that another reality is still reality.

If you go on Sufficient Velocity or Spacebattles' fanfiction forums, she's pretty much a personification of the users who read and write the crap there. One reason I like the comic so much is that it shits all over isekai/self-insert fantasies.

Real cheeky.

The real funny part is Gwen, despite remembering the name of a minor character's school, cares so little she can't remember who the hell she was supposed to be.

Gwenpool #9. Girhiru's doing the art. All's right with the world.

We start off learning that Gwen's client was a Doombot. In fact, the greatest of Doombots. A Doombot not restricted to general maintenance duties in Doctor Doom's laboratory facilities.

Doom's victory in the field of artificial intelligence is short lived as classic Squirrel Girl from the future shows up to stop her plans. I say "classic", as she is clearly not wearing the rags of that malformed horrorshow who stars in The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.

The Doombot escapes and shacks up with the Terrible Tinkerer. Time passes and Doctor Doom just forgets that he created an advanced AI Doombot.

I like to imagine he saw the Doombot gone and screamed "RICHARDS" before fucking around with the microverse again.

Gwen wasn't really paying attention, and her plan to just call Miles-Spiderman falls through when Miles isn't home.

Just look at that trigger discipline.

Fuck yes Gwenpig is BACK

Gwenpool #9 closes with the reveal that the "top agent" Gwenpool killed back in #1 wasn't alone and they're wondering where their paychecks are.

All those covers, and only one captures what the series is all about.

Although I do like covers 5 and 6

To me, it means Irene at least Knows what works, and does her darndest to emulate it.

She fails, but eh well.

A bunch of bubbly pop garbage with no coherent substance masked by good art?

Really? Explain.

A little bit more exaggerated and it would look like Serenity.

Kek

So are we to assume she stripped down completely in front of that Bank employee?

Amazing

Yeah man, the cover from OP makes the series seem a lot more vapid than it actually is. Like Storytime-user said, Gwenpool's biggest problem is Marvel keeps selling her as LOLMEMES SORANDUMB.

All covers do.

Astounding

Because I don't like her as a Character? I don't think she needs to exist? Shes less Lolzmemz then what shes portrayed as, but shes redundant, shes dull, and kinda moronic.

To me, what allows Deadpool to not give a shit, for instance, is that he's 99% immortal. He can deal with dangerous folks because hes indestructible. He can get his commapence when he's being a wise ass (Or being obnoxious) with intense pain or humiliation. He just suffers from memification and MASSIVE overexposure. But in small doses, and mixed in with some light AND some dark humor, hes pretty great.

Gwenpool is still the female version of that. So she can't be really hurt (Because she will die, and because as a female she really can't have the same amount of suffering as a male character so says literary law) so she cruises more on plot armor (How clever of her to identify it), and doesn't get as much smackback.

This is literally Deadpool covered in a shiny protective non-dangerous gloss. Treating her as an individual (And why CAN'T I compare her to deadpool if thats in her fucking name) she's just kinda bland overall.

It's the art doing MASSIVE heavy lifting here. If it was drawn in squirrel girl style it would be nearly as insufferable.

I kinda hope we get more info on Gwen's life back in her home universe. She appears to not care that she'll never see her family again, but it looks like a facade. She'll eventually have to realize that she can't spend her whole life in a comic book and that she needs to move on. I'm also really curious to see how time differs between the marvel universe and the "real" universe. Has time passed in her world or is it frozen and nobody knows she's missing? If time is passing, I wonder how she would still be apathetic towards her family if she knew they were looking for her?

I find this comic interesting in that there's a lot that they can do with it. The Civil War stuff was just fluff and had no weight behind it. Here we have a neet who was transported into the marvel universe and gets live out their dreams. It's assumed that they can't be killed (basic storytelling protagonist). If she were killed, would she die forever (Matrix) or would she wake up in her world (Dream) or we she go brain-dead in her own world?

I agree. The art is doing a lot of the work for this character. When different artists get a hold of her, her books go to shit very quickly.


The plot armor doesn't make her necessarily invincible though. MODOK forced her to be his stooge by sheer force. That did inflate her ego pretty severely when she knew she could die. Obviously, she can't be killed or else the comic would end unless something special happens when she dies (see above). Her greatest asset is her comic knowledge and the comic book rules where a person can get martial arts training and become a master. Having said that, I also feel that she would be better off only appearing in her own books. If Marvel decides to restrict what the writers can do with her, she will become just as shitty as most of their other heroes. She needs to be able to affect the world around her with the knowledge she has. This means that she shouldn't have any restrictions as to what she can do. Marvel could then use her to do what if scenarios. For example, what if used a real bullet to kill Captain America instead of that teleporting bs bullet they used? There's a lot of potential there, but that really depends on how Marvel wants to control her story and character.


I think she has potential. Most heroes are redundant. There are far too many of them. She's moronic, because she's still a young woman. She was a neet before she got transported, so she has next to no real life experience. It would be dumb if she were to immediately be mature as she doesn't know how to. However, she still has room to grow as a character and I'm hoping they do something interesting with her. She can't play the role of villain forever. She will eventually have to grow up.

But she suffers all of that. Her best friend is killed in the first issue. Her comics knowledge nearly gets her ass kicked by Whor. Other characters figure out she's a fraud. She gets in over her head fighting M.O.D.O.K. Every superhero she meets thinks she's a homicidal villain. The aliens she claimed she killed come back to kick her ass. Has to run from the cops because she doesn't have Deadpool's super-murder skills. Her plans to fix the entire mess she's in completely falls through and all of her comic book knowledge is shown to be diddly squat. She's wrong more often than she's right.

If anything, Gwenpool is more of a character than Deadpool. Deadpool is an invincible super-assassin. Nothing has any real consequences for him. Gwenpool, however, is neither of those things. She has some actual development to her character when her expectations are subverted.

Rare but its nice to see it.

Thanks OP

Im the guy your replying too. She also gets her ass kicked by Deadpool. I pay attention.

You are correct, but I can't help but feel like they're not consequences. You are correct. She's more of a character. But no matter what kind of character she is the second when the puppet points out the strings that's all I can see.

It's also just been done before. Don't just fucking TALK about how nothing changes in comics. Fucking CHANGE shit in comics. And I don't mean Whorr or Captain Hydra. I mean shit like have characters retire or grow old. Fucking advance the metaplot. Its like shes coasting on the most irritating part of comics. Id say the whole 4rth wall angle is the worst part. If she was just "Punch Girl" she might be more endearing. There is something deeply tiring about her. I don't know why.
Maybe it's also the artstyle. Through anime overexposure, I have started to HATE cute character designs. I feel like its cloying.

I feel like I haven't fully formulated inside why I hate this character, but the elements Im definitely picking out. A part of it IS overexposure of this type of character. And also how Im tired of subversion as a substitute for actual advancement. Instead of just telling good stories they have to be bad, but then "subverted" to be "good". Its a very strong problem I see in anime and manga.

There were some issues where you see her in her life at home. She's a neet who lives with her parents and is an aspie. She does a sleep study which pays 20 dollars a week. Her dad tells her to get a job which she does at the movie theater. Her 4th wall breaking starts to creep into her life.

Sounds like one of those webcomics written by a girl with anxiety and possibly depression.

You're projecting too much, user. Anxiety and depression are generally really common among young people though Gwen is essentially a neet who lets herself become a Guinea pig for money and gets a job at a movie theatre. She was still young when something caused her to enter the marvel universe. Gwen does have some anxiety and depression due to her failure to go forward in life. This shown when she can't even get a normal job or graduate from high school. She's someone whose life is passing them by. She should either be in college or working towards a stable job, but she's instead living with her parents and working at a movie theater and immersing herself in fiction. She's someone who didn't grow up once they left high school. She acts like a child when she needs to act like an adult.


I want to see more of her family dynamics. It seemed a bit odd that she didn't want to go back home when Strange gave her the option. This can either be played straight or taken as she doesn't want to wake up yet. Also, Strange did say that something traumatic caused her to cross over and I don't think that's been explained yet.

I wish that Gwenpoole would have a solid ending and that it doesn't get dragged on for decades like other cape comics. I'm tired of comics getting dragged through the mud until a infinite crisis or secret wars event resets everything. You can't even properly build a character if you know they're going to go on forever, reset or until they get canceled. I can understand the big 2 wanting to milk their avengers and justice leagues, but these side characters should just be given solid runs and then that's it. You don't even have to kill them off. Just let them move on with their lives or retire.

I think I really just want to see her go back home in the end, do something positive with herself and lead a normal life. Also, turning her into a 2random quirky faggot would be the worst thing you could do to her character. I'm so glad MODOK shut her down hard with that reality check. I'm also glad she's limited in what she can do. The Howard the Duck issue with her was awful, because she really was a deadpool clone in that one.

Holla Forums has awoken in me a yearning for delicious brown short-haired women, though I shudder to think what she might turn into if she reappears without Gurihiru illustrating.

Howard in general has been pretty bad.

Deadpool injures her pretty badly when they meet in Murder World.

I am really liking Gwenpool, but I do wish that something would happen to make her realize that even though the universe runs on capeshit logic, that it's still an actual universe with real people in it. Also, I think she was at her best for the short time where she was unaware if she was actually the hero of a comic or not. Something needs to happen to her to really shake her undying belief that she's a MC to really keep it interesting.


He is right, but he seems to forget that no one in comics ever actually get hurt in any meaningful way. Comic book characters only ever get hurt enough to make it look bad for them, while offering a believable excuse for there to be no permanent damage.

Gwenpool #10 opens with a very interesting question: is mixing chicken with eggs gross? I'm of the opinion that it could be good if you get over the fact you're mixing a mother and child together to eat. What's your thoughts?

Oh, and Gwen pilots the M.O.D.O.K. base through a residential neighborhood to save her friends.

Gwenpool is not above taking hostages to get her friends released.

I kinda want to know how that old guy can identity kree spaceships.

Look out for the POOLE BOYS.

That sounds like some London-based underground gang of homosexuals.

The day is saved, the doombot suffers by having his normal life turned upside down, and the squid aliens are defeated.

At the cost of all of Gwen's henchmen, their base, and Gwen's whole gang. Gwen is left high and dry as everyone goes their separate ways.

Issue #10 closes with Gwen back to square one and in tears.

That should be the selling point.

Subtle world building? It's a space-faring age, information about these things could filter down to the Earth internet.
It's a small, simple thing, but Batroc's banter is pretty nice - sympathetic and funny.

Looks like it too. Wish they'd take some cover. And that the Kree would actually shoot back, and not suddenly loose all their guns.

It's the little things.

I'll take "Advice to save Whedon's career" for 500, Alex.

Gwenpool #11 and Girihiru is gone. For now. At least the fill-in artist isn't completely terrible.

If page 6 is anything to go by, Gwen is built like a linebacker.

What the fuck, how does she look like a man in every fucking panel? Like the art isn't "Aneurysm" awful, but the man character looks like the wrong gender every single panel.

Trappool

Cecil is apparently white trash, which raises questions over how he was able to afford living in New York. Meanwhile, Gwen apparently took a job from a dead people town. Classic McNinja stuff. Christ, I remember when you could have a dead people town and it would be weird and fun. Now it's fucking commonplace because 'LOLRANDUM'.

This panel layout is pretty bad with that random Hydra head there for no reason.

This new artist is a real mixed bag.

Oh, and the vampire Gwen needs to stop is MOTHER FUCKING WESLEY SNIPES BLADE.

Unfortunately, the artist totally sucks any excitement you'd get from such a situation.

Issue #11 closes with soul-sucking and telling us Arcade is going to be in the next issue.

WHERE DID THE BACKGROUNDS GO?

Thanks for the storytime.

Too expensive.

Really makes you appreciate the regular artist. I bet he could have successfully bridged "cute" and "horror" and still given us backgrounds.

Too bad.

When are we getting Gwenom?

The regular artist for Gwenpool is Gurihiru, an illustration team consisting of two Japanese women based out of Sapporo, Japan.

We already got Gwenom and it was…bad.

An egg isnt a chicken's child; specially not an egg from a chicken plant. its unfertilized.

Its a chicken's menstruation.

MY EYES AHH

Not good enough. Try it again.

Gwenpool is the greatest example that art should always take precedence. Always.

Gwenpool without Gurihiru will not ever be worth reading.

The problem is that she doesn't suffer, she is around when others suffer. She never truly suffers because she is always ALMOST suffering. She "almost" gets her ass kicked by Whor, her FRIEND dies, she ALMOST gets caught by cops, she never actually suffers. It's easy to say "her plan to fix things failed" but what does that mean for her? It means nothing because her character never evolves due to it, she just does another stupid thing until the supporting cast of her books eventually get dumbed down enough for those things to actually work. Even when she fails, she wins.
The problem with Gwenpool is that she's supposed to be a "deconstruction" of the self-insert character. But when you deconstruct a sandwich you just get a mess of soggy bread and lettuce, and I'd rather just have a decent fucking sandwich.


And those tears don't seem genuine. We're up to double digit issues here, and Gwen has not developed at all. Every issue resets her development back to square one, so when this one ends on her "back to square one" it has no impact since that's every issue.
Gwenpool is just not good. Good art can't poor writing or poor characters, it can only make them look less bad. And we can see that Gwenpool is a bad character since every single time Gurihiru is not involved, it becomes just as shit as everything else Marvel puts out.

Itll just putter out after that.

Hopefully they give it a good ending rather than run it into the ground.

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Fuck me dead and call me Shirley this is unexpected

You mean Hastings remembers

That was a surprise

Gwenpool #12 and Gurihiru is back! Looks like Gwen has found herself in a ye olde fantasy land, so grab ye flask.

Lots of roleplaying references in this issue.

Heh

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Issue #12 closes with Gwenpool about to face off against
DEADPOOL

I guess he installed a runic font and mashed on the home row.

Thanks user.

Better than comic sans

I was hoping for an easter egg for the nerds that can read futhark

Is anyone else reading Arcade's lines in Vic Mignogna's voice?

I think it's because of the art.

Sample?

Also, what is this face trying to convey?

Wait, does that mean that the real gwen never got caught and identified by the police? :'^)

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The hell is that thing.

fixed it

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I actually kind of agree. She hasn't really moved beyond the "Lol it's just a comic, I can do whatever I want" sociopath mindset and hasn't really realized that just because they're fake in a book doesn't change the fact they're living, breathing, and dying in front of her. Not only that, but she's incredibly dismissive about how people she actually cares about would REACT to her shenanigans.

Like, take that Nigger-Spidey team-up for example. Even the most casual of casuals know Spidemen usually don't like to kill, and as a Marvel fangirl, she should incredibly aware of that. Yet her first instinct is to try to murder a kid and expecting him NOT to go "What the fuck" and web her for the police?

She never wizens up and realizes that just because it's a book doesn't change the fact that killing people because it's convenient isn't something you should do, real life or fiction. If she's supposed to be a self-insert deconstruction, she's almost unrealistically disconnected. Deadpool at least has the excuse that he's insane. I think user is right: we're distracted by the art and don't question these things, so when a worse artist has to take over, you suddenly focus on the story more and get critical (hence why we call it shit without Gihiriru).

Also, side-note that's really been bugging me: If Gwen comes from a normal earth and is an untrained NEET, why is she killing people without blinking an eye? Even if you use that "Do you care about GTA civvies" excuse, you think she'd be less peppy about blowing up a bank and killing everyone inside in issue 1.

*think she'd be less peppy about blowing up a bank and killing everyone inside in issue 1. The smell of dead burnt bodies would probably stay with you far longer.

Because maybe shes autistic? Don'tcha feel bad for her now HA?

It's because a real neet would do much more long lasting changes so she has to be retarded or a moron so she doesn't.

A real geek in a batman comic would ask arkham about Jokers official body count and why he hasn't been legally killed yet. Which he would be.

A Real geek (Not in SJW marvel) might actually get shit fixed and done. Would mention how people seem to be resurrected all the time, and would pretty much-spread self-awareness through all the issues.

Problem is that a real reality bender is HARD. Faux observations with really good art is much easier.

I think this is mostly a side-effect of how she was created. Y'see, back when Marvel was doing their big recent Secret Wars event back in… what, 2014? 2015? I'm too lazy to look it up, but either way, there was one month where they did this entire line-up of Gwen Stacy variant covers. Gwen Stacy as Wolverine, Gwen Stacy as the Hulk, Gwen Stacy as all of the Avengers… and pic related, Gwen Stacy as Deadpool. Guess which of those variant covers became a brief fad among the cosplay community?

And guess which group of retarded comic book editors scrambling to try to attract new readers to boost their flagging sales saw that and decided to make a new character out of it? And guess which freelance writer got told he'd be given an ongoing if he could come up with an original pitch for the character on the spot?

So yeah, all this jarring, unrealistic characterization is because she started from 'Gwen Stacy Deadpool' and had to be expanded out from there. It's all meant to be a variation on """classic""" Deadpool behavior.

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Makes sense. So they never planned her characterization then did they?

So it's everything you get out of an SJW comic but it panders to leftist weebs?
Not a good look.

I bet you unironically think this .>>900268 is better

Nope. Though Gwen's brother did call her out on the casual murder in the latest issue, so it looks like Hastings is at least paying attention to criticism and trying to address complaints by turning them into story material.

It's Gwenpool #13, Deadpool vs. Gwenpool, and Gwenpool doesn't seem to be doing so hot.

Nice to see Hastings remembered Walrus.

Gwen is apparently pretty good at roleplaying games.

Gwen talks to much and Deadpool figures everything out. He promptly uses his massive popularity to start kicking Gwen's ass.

Oh, and Gurihiru shows up to draw the most important part of this comic.

Deadpool is just about to slit Gwen's throat when she asks him an important question: If he's the massive popular Deadpool, then why the fuck is trapped by Arcade?

Realizing his folly, Gwen and Deadpool team up to beat the shit out of Arcade.

I bet you think HPMOR is unironically good fiction then.

Ah, yes the ultimate geek fantasy of pointing out "inconsistencies" in the setting and one-upping the writers.
Problem is, what if the "inconsistencies" can be explained, just not explicitly from reading the comic books? Maybe they're already aware of resurrection but haven't found a method of reliably replicating the phenomenon. What about "inconsistencies" in our own understanding of our universe? We literally have problems we've never solved, and nutritional science is fucked to hell. We've barely scratched the surface of comprehending how we age.

What the fuck. I don't think you're using that correctly.

Gwenpool #13 closes with her vowing to make Cecil a real boy, again. Apparently there are going to be more cross-overs. Not thrilled about the lesbian Hawkeye-Girl, but we do get fucking ANGR.

No, I don't.
Nice try though.

Thanks user.

She's not, and this is probably the cringeworthiest way they could have tried to show that she is.

Every character is good at it because its the self insert of the writer speaking.

This shit is getting weird now….almost as if the writers are actually trying to fight marvel shitty ideas

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Gwen once again solves the problem by having someone else swoop in and solve the problem while everything conveniently falls into place in her favor.
Great example of how Gwenpool never actually suffers: Just when it looks like she's actually getting her shit kicked in for once and facing a consequence, the next page has her costume repaired and her with no injury at all.

She clearly solved the problem by using words with Deadpool. Arcade wasn't the boss of the storyline. In keeping with Gwen being aware of her beign in a comic book, her "big challenge" wasn't a standard supervillain, it was fighting a much more popular hero, who she knew she couldn't kill, only temporarily harm. Sure, I agree with the "she doesn't actually get harmed" statement, but that appies to every hero ever. When is the last time a hero had to deal with recovering from the 50th bulletwound he received?

If you want to go that route it was retarded as well. She didn't "use her words", she said what amounts to "hey don't kill me because just don't" and Deadpool obliges. It's completely out of character for him to all of a sudden be best friends with Gwen.
Tony's in a coma, Hulk remains dead, and when Frank Castle gets shot, he actually is shot. When Batman gets his back broken, his back is broken. Hell when Spiderman gets the shit kicked out of him he at the very least looks worse for wear for a little bit, Gwen goes from "in a fight" to "my costume is repaired" within a page, and manages to make friends with everyone ever and be liked all times.

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Look, I get it. You're a big Gwenpool fan, you have shit taste, you desperately want to give this a pass. But it's shit. One day you'll be old enough to understand this champ.

"The maincharacter solved the problem without dying a horrific death, waaaaaaah"

Modern Marvel's audience, ladies and gentlemen. Go read some more Riri faggot

You get weekends off, I see. Usually you post in the evening.

Your argument, for the last several posts, has been that she hasn't suffered enough. Then people give examples of how she suffered, then you say that doesn't count. You even argued that Gwen's tears at the end of issue 10 weren't genuine, like she was a real person and not at all a fictional character in a comic book. Where you were going with that completely baffles me. It seems like you're unable to differentiate between fantasy and reality.

Do you know what "the inability to differentiate between fantasy and reality" is a symptom of? It might explain why you keep coming to this thread.

Whatever you say, sport

Which she has not. Not even slightly. Saying "yeah but other people are suffering and she has to be around them when they do!" isn't suffering, it's her being an author self-insert by someone tangentially aware of how not to be a shitty OC creator.
Again, I get that you desperately want this to be good, but it's not. Trying to excuse shitty writing because "it's just a comic book" isn't getting you anywhere.

I wouldn't want to be your friend ever, thank God there's no chance it's going to happen :^)

It's not when half your characterization is not giving a fuck about anyone in the world since you think they're all fake.
She can't be super sad that "her friend died" and then a few issues later be trying to kill people with fucking Spiderman. Either she thinks people are real or she thinks they're fake. The way they've written it she actually devolves as a character.

It's a comic about a cute girl doing cape things. Adversity builds character, certainly, and in stories it is essential for giving meaningful to the conflict. And Gwen is a cute when she suffers.
But I think it's a question of genre, here. Gwenpool is probably more comedic and light than what you're looking for.

Thanks man.

Ooooor she thinks extras are fake and named characters aren't, which is why she had an extra name themselves in order to make sure she sees them again. She clearly cares about the well-being of named characters like Mega Tony while at the same time having no qualms with offing extras because she considers one category real and another not. Christ, you're an autistic retard.

That's still retarded. Like that's sorta narrative rules, but only in a way that doesn't make sense.
It's like saying "Well if it's not in the current panel I'm in it doesn't exist".

What does she expect them all to have nametags and saying "I love my complicated and developed life that I will list off 24/7"

It didn't make sense in "The Strange" and it doesn't make sense here.

Funny how they made Arcade a bishounen.

The rules of fiction, such as conservation of detail, make perfect sense. A dm isn't going to come up with a name, profession, backstory, and detailed physical appearance of every NPC in a tavern, and won't get too pissy if you randomly kill them, because they are not important and won't show up again.
Yes, if you assume that the world she's living in is 100% accurate and detailed and real instead of a work of fiction, then applying the rules of fiction to a world that is not fictional doesn't make sense. I cannot toss a bomb into a bank and suffer no real repercussions because I am not living in a comic book.
Gwenpoole is in a comic book, not reality. That is the entire fucking point you gigantic, retarded sperg. Rules of fiction and rules of reality are not the same, the humor is derived from someone in a fiction story being aware of the rules of fiction, such as Chekhov's gun and foreshadowing, and using them to gain an advantage over people treating fiction like it's reality.

I understand that you are too much of a sperg to grasp that fiction and reality operate on different rules, but your own lack of comprehension of that fact does not mean the comic does not make sense. It means you are retarded.

So she thinks a thing you made up just now to justify it, all the while she ignores that the named characters dont think that, which she is supposed to know due to being a comic NEET, and while she greived over an extra whi she liked but then doesnt give a fuck about.

So she's shittily written.

You either haven't read the comic or don't understand stuff that was explicitly stated.

Oh yeah, she totally doesnt care about extras. Thats why she was sad about Cecil right? Everybody knows Cecil! He's only one of marvels most popular characters, whom she'd never seen in a comic before, and whom she knew for less than 2 issues before his death, thats why she's so torn up! Then he came back as a ghost because "it was unfair that he died" which is how ghosts work apparently for no reason.
I mean of course she had no problem killing Cecil's gangmates who also has names, but that doesnt count.

Gwenpool #14 and the beginning of Gwen's LA adventure!

Oh and Gurihiru is gone.

So apparently dwarves can give Cecil a corporeal form again, and Gwen takes a magic bathtub portal to where they are. Meanwhile, lesbihawkeye is scoping out some dwarf party with a jewel or something. Then ANGR shows up.

Looking at the art, it's clear Marvel can't afford decent talent.

A fight breaks out between ANGR, leshawkeye, and Gwen. Cecil touches the magic gem and gets sucked into it.

Either the gem changes sizes, or the artist can't do proportion. Anyway, ANGR steals the gem and drives off. Gwen gets a ride from Lesbihawkeye and I really hope she doesn't make a pass at Gwen.

Gwenpool #14 closes with the spirit of vengeance offering Cecil revenge against the one really responsible for his death and the introduction of Gwen's parents?

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Where does Marvel even find these people?

Gwen's parents? But her parents are in her reality, right? Not the Marvel one. How's that work?!

They are trying as hard as they can to put Kate Bishop in as many comics doing archery stuff, because most readers don't know or give a fuck who she is, even though Marvel writers badly, oh so badly want her to be "the real Hawkeye"

Well doc strange made her a new ID for comic world using some things from the real world so I guess that's how it's down….

I've never even heard of this cunt before now

It was explicitly stated in the first comic and shown in image five of

We find out in a future issue that comic book versions of Gwen's parents have existed the whole time, but that they don't have kids. So far they haven't really been plot relevant aside from that one scene in

No it wasn't, she says "who cares about extras" but she never says diddly-dick about named characters. Because by all accounts Cecil is just as much of an extra since she states the difference between an extra and anyone else is that "she has a costume".
Yeah, and as I said, what about all the other people whose names she knows that she kills the shit out of? You're supposed to tell me that she only cares about people once she learns their name, and that's somehow good writing?

Cecil was a fucking extra. She knew the cunt for less than 2 issues and killed literally every other person he was with aside from him. She'd never read about him in a comic book, she'd never been given any reason to believe he was any different from any other extra in the universe, especially given his lack of powers or anything. She cries over a guy who not one issue prior she was treating like one of Deadpool's "buddies" who Deadpool at the very least had the consistency to not be too concerned about. You're making excuses for Gwenpool's terrible writing and characterization because YOU ARE A FAGGOT.

I mean my point is that it doesn't make sense from a perspective of a person INSIDE the comic. All that Gwenpool is arguing is solipsism when it doesn't make sense to a person INSIDE a comic.
Your right as a GM you won't mention the detail, but it's not like that detail is not there. If the players ask for more information you will follow up on it.

It's a universe that exists as you view it. So for Gwenpool to act like that in a simulation doesn't make sense. Only a MORON would kill "Extras" even in a simulation as the simulation is still trying to follow proper rules. If in the simulation when you kill an "Extra" they call the "Extra" cops and then "Extra" shoot at you, thats still "Simulated" bullets.

But that's because she cruises on "PLOT ARMOR LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL". And that's just more annoying than endearing or clever.

Heck it might have actually been INTERESTING to see her go against regular comic moulds. Like becoming a lawyer and exploring the usually unmentioned stuff in comics.
Where do supervillains go after being defeated? What is the legislature that prevents them from getting the death penalty? What do the Taxpayers think about this?
How OLD is actually anybody?

That would be some actual 4rth wall breakage that wasn't done to death.

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Otherwise, she'd just be "purple archer girl", so they have to draw your attention to the fact that Marvel wants her to be a full time, for serious, real deal super hero.. Y'know, except for all those times when she doesn't actually fight crime and mostly just shows up in other characters' books to be like "REMEMBER HOW I'M HAWKEYE NOW?!"

Gwen's perspective isn't that she's living inside a real world with people that have actual histories it's that she's living inside a fiction. There's no point in responding to the rest of this post because your premise is flawed due to your own inability to perceive the difference between fiction and reality. Background characters don't have names in any form of fiction due to conservation of detail. That is what makes them background characters.


Image four of
Stop arguing about comics you haven't read.
Such as?

oh, whatever…

Not that guy but
What do you mean when you say "fiction" and "reality"? Our fiction, and our reality? Or Gwen's fiction and "reality"?

What did they mean by this?

If you understood the concept of a followup argument, you would get that her actions are retarded even if she does think shes only in fiction.

That's no so much "more interesting" as much as a different genre.
If she didn't get her ass handed to her by whor and Deadpool, I'd share your dislike more, but she's not that much of a plot-armored Mary Sue. Just regularly plot-armored, and acknowledging it, without making more of a big deal out of it than necessary.
As for the murdering, I pretty much ignore the non-Gurihiru issues. She just seems to act differently when drawn by other artists. Hopefully her brother will continue to point out her homicidal behaviour. So far, it seems that's she's just a natural born killer, which is also fine, so long as the comic continues to acknowledge this, explicitly or subtly.

Looking at this artwork, you can immediately tell that the artist did not practice their fundamentals. They clearly practiced tons of little shortcuts and little tricks to churn out art quickly. I was going to assume that they probably got their start and tumblr, and sure enough, google her name and her tumblr is the first thing that comes up. Their art is just unapologetically ugly, but they hide it under lots of bright colors.

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I mean reality, that thing we inhabit, and fiction, stories we create.

…Aaand? What did that lead into? Nothing. Because she depends on her plot armor to carry her forward (How "Clever").

This is why 4rth wall fiction can fail so spectacularly. Why isn't she in a cell rotting for 40 years? Or dead?

Because of plot armor or contrivance. Say what you want about Deadpool not taking situations seriously because he's immortal, at least he didn't take them seriously BECAUSE HE KNEW THE WRITING WOULD'NT MAKE HIM DIE.

Plot armor is literally all she has. Its not clever.

The only time I've heard of Kate Bishop was in Young Avengers. Since then I think she's been teaming up with regular Hawkeye.


Is Kate Bishop Asian now?


I dunno. I think Explains why her parents look like that.

Yeah, she overcame the conflict, or her colleagues did. This is not a bad thing.
No, with Deadpool she depended on negotiation. With whor, she failed utterly, and then depended on comic-book knowledge and negotiation (and probably a bit of pussy-pass) with Batroc. If she depended simply on plot-armor, she'd just be sitting on her ass, saying and doing nothing.
I think you're seeing a lot more of a problem than there might be, but I'd like to hear what specifically you would propose in the way of fixing the issues you see with Gwenpool.

And that doesn't make the point you extrapolated from it. And again, if that were true, why did she have no problem killing Rodney? You konw, a guy with a name? And why did she not kill Cecil prior to learning his name, and team up with him before knowing his name, when she could have easily killed him? Because she is written shittily.
She has no problem trying to shoot the shit out of Damian, who given what Miles says she must know the name of. Even after inarguably hearing the name she shows no remorse or regret She has no qualsm about shooting Vinnie who up until then she believes is a named, normal guy. Hell, she murders the fuck out of Rodney's gang and despite knowing their names doesn't give half a fuck because "ahh well they're bad". In fact she should know Rodney's name since she narrates while he's in there and explicitly mentions the truck, her awareness extends that far. There is no excuse, every time you try to apply rhyme or reason it's contradicted somewhere else in the book because this character is literally a meme.


"Hey why kill me though that's silly" is not negotiation. Especially when there's no resistance at all on the other part.
Except she DOES depend on plot-armor. You can tell this because as the issues go on, everybody just does what she says without any hesitation whatsoever. The fact that "the Poole boys" exist shows that she IS a Mary Sue because there's really no other reasoning for why a group of "Top Agents" would willingly follow the word of some random girl with no combat training whatsoever whose only affiliation is with fucking Batroc the Leaper.

That's not everything she said.
Deadpool had been brainwashed. She exploited his super-nature against his brainwashing. Okay, not negotiation, technically, call it what you will. Guile or whatever.

Right until they go their own ways. And she does prove over the same time frame that she has some idea of what she's doing.

No, Gwen and Batroc and etc were the "Top Agents" mentioned. Those other guys were mooks, and they knew it. Plus, it's a comic book universe, professional mooks probably don't have too many problems following the orders of a teenage girl so long as she gives the impression of a typical caped freak, and this teenage girl is to their knowledge one of their boss' lieutenants. The biggest issue I see them having is their late pay-check - I would have liked to see if she ever paid them or how else she got all those guys to work in those costumes. I also don't like how she employed her mooks, their depicted tactics demonstrated against the squid aliens.

Anyway, I'll be repeating myself now: what would you propose in the way of fixing the issues you see with Gwenpool?

Not do it at all. I'm sorry that the house is sinking but maybe fucking quicksand wasn't the best place to set a foundation.
She is redundant and annoying.

She has to act like a person who knows comics, but also a person who has never fucking read a single comic and is just a sociopath to move her shitty weak plot along.

She's a redundant character at best.

See, there's a contradiction that could be fixed
What plot? I agree that the "greater" story-line as a whole is pathetic, I read it for chuckles and soft-core teen cheese-cake. The best the series can do is probably episodic stories a few books long, with stories mostly about a cutie of understated psychopathy trying to cape in the MU with varying levels of success.

I find the concept intriguing. Like a genki Thomas Covenant.
And bear in mind that the longer she stays in the Marvel Universe, the less use her insider knowledge will be, as storylines progress, new characters are introduced, and retcons happen.
So far she's coasted along on character shields and knowing everyone's secret identities, but it'll get harder for her later. Unlike DC characters, Marvel characters don't tend to have glaring weaknessess like wood, or yellow, or kryptonite.

Lol, I wonder how a DC version would have fared, like, um, Gwenstroke?

But the point is that this would still be shit
Also she is not "cute". She's just drawn by a decent artist. Her actual design is hideous as you can see from the first issue.


Her "comic knowledge" wont progress like that because its as nebulous as it needs to be to dolve the problems the writers make up. Like how she knows all about Deadpool and is able to "negotiate" with him despite her being autistic and admitting she doesnt read Deadpool.

What drove you to hate Gwenpoole? Don't say "I read it and it was terrible," because more than half your claims in the thread were debunked by the comic itself. Anyone with at least one working eye and half a brain can tell that you haven't actually read it. Was there some reviewer that you're deriving this opinion from?

You "speak" like a goddamn forced marketer.

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Gwenpool #15 opens with a bunch of irrelevant back-story. Gurihiru is still MIA.

The Spirit of Vengence tells Cecil that Gwen is to blame for his death! He should seek revenge! PUNISH HER! POSSESS HER! LIVE AGAIN IN HER FLESH!

Page eight has the weirdest looking Robbie Reyes I've ever fucking seen.

Dwarves! Dwarves and monsters!

Hope you're aware Robbie's powers come from the spirit of his devil worshipping uncle. Not from the Spirit of Vengeance.

Cecil becomes a dog monster thing. Ok.

Thanks for fucking nothing Marvel.

Gwen #15 closes with Gwen meeting her brother? Her hipster douchebag looking brother?

This universe copy thing and them somehow being aware of Gwen's existence/being their daughter in another reality is just ridiculous. What's worse is this art for this arc. It was horrendous and does not let itself to anything action wise at all.

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Jesus, how much shilling is Hawkdyke gonna get before this team up is over?

Whoops, forgot to quote

the being aware of her isn't unreasonable; Dr Strange did transplant the advent of her birth from he home universe

Buddy I've been referencing the comic multiple times, I don't know why you can't fathom people thinking it's shit. Why are you even here if you actually think this is good writing, ComicsAlliance seems more your speed. First it's "she doesn't kill named characters!" despite her killing the named Rodney in , then it's "But Cecil is a named character!" despite her not learning his name until the issue AFTER she decides to not kill him and only knowing it for one issue (and him "having a name" still not being enough of a reason for her to give a fuck about him) and you keep going.
She never says 'I only kill extras, not named characters" she just states that extras don't matter whereas having a name means they're more likely to live: She never once says she doesn't kill people with names, nor that she gives any more of a shit about them. You're talking out your ass by skimming for keywords in a comic you want to be super good, but clearly have only cursory knowledge of.

It would be shit. That's a FACT

Gwenpool #16! Gurihiru is back! Filler is over! Beyond the Fourth Wall begins now!

Gwen meets her Marvel universe brother. Wait, no, it isn't. It's her home universe brother, there to take her back to their universe. He pulls her through a portal that takes them back, back to before any of the previous fifteen issues happened. Back to Gwen's miserable live-at-home NEET life!

Gwen is told to stop playing vidya and get a fucking job. Her texts reveal that she has no friends. She stops by her local comic shop to buy comics and ask if they're hiring. He says beat it and Gwen is another jobless millennial who can't get work.

She's really hit rock bottom now.

Why is Gwen so inhuman
like I understand that she's not real but nobody talks like that. Half the text bubbles on any given page seem like they could have been left out, and the writer just crammed them in to make it look more like Deadpool

Gwen meets up with her brother and he asks her how her story is coming along. Her fanfiction story. As if you couldn't get more pathetic, Gwen.

Gwen gets home and gets into a fight with her dad. It turns out Gwen couldn't graduate high-school, doesn't have any friends, and can't even get a job bussing tables. Her life sucks.

This issue is turning out to be the anti-Hellcat. Gwen has actual problems that effect her and those problems actually cause conflict with her loved ones. It's almost like Hastings is writing…an actual story.

Whops, page ahead.

Gwen runs off to her job. A job that involves a strange portal thingy. At the urging of her brother, she decides to stay in this universe, apply to fast-food jobs, and write her shitty fan-fiction.

Gwenpool #16 closes with the first letters page for Gwenpool!

WRONG.

Gwenpool #16 closes with shit starting to get weird.

This through to around the next 2 issues is where the story trips over itself trying to be inception

That's got to be pretty close to the bottom of any sensible person's list of "fictional worlds that would be good to live in".

Despite how shit Gwenpool is, at least that statement fits her character.
She's a loser. But since she's a girl written by a shitty writer, she has limitless possibility in the Marvel Universe since nothing bad will actually happen to her and she'll have amazing skills without the need to work to obtain them. Of course she'd love the Marvel Universe: Marvel would never harm a "geek girl" would they?

>he's still mad

mfw


Eh, better than the forty-first millennium, off the top of my head.

Gwen sure is cute when she's being an easily excitable idiot.

Honestly? I prefer 40K. The odds of me living a OK-ish life or at least dying forever are pretty high.

In marvel you are stuck in a loop of eternal suffering, and reboots.

you're not impressing anyone

Maybe inceptio wasn't the best comparison, but the "they thought they left X but are still in X they just dont know it" is pretty overdone. It was done better by Doctor Doom and the Marquis of Death anyway. The point wasnt that she enters dream worlds, its that she is still comic even when she leaves comic because twist.

It's like someone is trying to make an entire storyline out of 4th wall jokes without realizing that for a 4th wall joke to be funny it has to have contrast. Even The Last Action Hero had the decency to actually be a coherent story first and foremost

Fucking NEET REEEEEEEE


>that letters page

Wouldn't that be the opposite of Gwen's story? It would be like Deadpool entering the real world and quickly realizing that he can no longer regenerate and then dying soon after that to cancer.

I'd say Gwen is closer to Bastian than anyone else on that list.

It's a pretty similar concept to the above, but Gwen doesn't have a guide to help her. However, it would be interesting to see Gwen enter different comic genres. Her friend is already a ghost, so why not have her enter one of the marvel monster universes. She could team up with Terrible Eye again for another series of adventures. Marvel has a ton of universes and we saw many of them during Marvel Zombies. Why limit Gwen to the universes with capes? It would be a good way for Marvel to increase exposure to the other genres under its belt.


I had to look this one up. It looks like the protag use libriomacy. He can make things real by pulling them out of books. This is more like an end goal for Gwen. It would be a way to show her taking control of her unique situation by using comics to solve her problems. It would also help pull her further away from being a deadpool clone. It would give her reality-warping powers, but it's not like that hasn't been done before in comics. It could work really well. This could also be a character arc, where she completely loses herself in comics. Even though she's in a comic universe, she completely goes off the deep end and takes her escapist behavior to the extreme.

I think that's an issue with comics. They're expected to keep going until they'[re canceled in the west. There are story arcs, but those are limited in what they can do. It's really hard to tell a story if there's no end, because you know things are just going to keep on going. That's part of why I hope they give Gwen a definitive ending. Even Sherlock Holmes had an ending. That's why the books are told from Watson's perspective and not as they're happening.

From the previews of the newest issues, looks like they don't.

Its nevef going to end, she's actually popular.

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THE UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL #17: BEYOND THE FOURTH WALL PART 2

Gwen is hard at work at her (crap) job at a movie theater. Shoveling pop-corn, shilling premium items, nerds ruining movies that she hasn't been able to see because she works at movie theater where it's being shown. The joys of being a productive member of society.

Oh, and now she can see her thought captions and the comic's title.

Gwen was, for a moment, able to feel the actual boarder of her comic. Of course, that could've just that poor woman's face.

Gwen arrives home and Gwendad did a whole bunch of research to help her get a job writing, even getting her a spot at a charity bunch where she can meet artists and writers from the industry. Gwendad is a cool dad who cares about his daughter.

Sadly, this doesn't help Gwen's current situation. You know, the situation where she might be going insane.

It turns out that yes! Gwen is in a comic book! and Yes! Her thought balloons can push her out the window! Now everyone thinks she attempted suicide.

At the hospital, we learn other things. Like how Gwen's brother Tommy is keeping secrets.

The page she drew in the subway was ripped out … hmmm …

Gwen decides to put her observations to the test, and promptly breaks the comic.

Gwenpool #17 closes with Gwen making her escape!

I like how Gwen actually hold the placard announcing the return of Gurihiru. They know what we want.

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Your trips are nothing but LIES!

In his defense, the previous issues before Gurihiru's return were fucking awful and drawn by a talentless chimp, though still written by the same faggot who wrote these later issues.

Why the fuck they are wasting someone like Gurihiru on this crap is still beyond my understanding, either way.

The Duck Amok stuff is great. Of course the issues without any Marvel characters in them are the most fun ones.


Would you rather they waste them on America or Champions? It's Marvel we're talking about, they're not making anything good.

You raise a good point. It would probably be more lucrative for Gurihiru to open a patreon and do webcomics. Not even kidding. Talented artist, bright colorful art, good attitude, strong following, past work in professional fields… and now they're "indie" and they can get 10k a month on patreon.

It's the same faggot who wrote all of the issues. Chris Hastings, the same guy who made McNinja.

The thing is that Hastings isn't a terrible writer. Of all the Marvel "new talent", he's the only one with a vision for the book he's working on and is actually writing a comic book. No politics, no messages, just characters and interesting stories. Gurihiru gets what Hastings is trying to do and are able to convey it. Hastings know what Gurihiru is capable of and gives them free reign to tell the story visually (i.e. you could remove all of the text and still understand what's going on). They work great as a team.

The problem is that Marvel apparently can't afford to have Gurihiru do every issue, so Hastings gets saddled with fill-in artists. These fill-in artists are a testament to how far the artistic standards of the industry have fallen. They have no visual appeal, have trouble telling stories in a visual way, and their work is below sub-par. Working with them must be hell for anyone actually trying to write a comic book.

Gwenpool settles once and for all which is more important in comic books. A comic can have the best writing in the world, but it won't mean shit if it doesn't have good art.

We wouldn't be having the conversation if it had good art and Kate Leth or whoever was writing. It would clearly be crap and no-one would be arguing for it.

Art and story, equally important. That's why it's comics, it's both, what is so difficult to understand? But you still have idiots like Todd and Rob on one hand, who are creatively bankrupt and have to hire writers and then rip them off, in Todd's case, and Rob, who seems to be functionally illiterate, and requires a "scripter" when he's allegedly the writer, and on the other hand you've got Gerard Ashworth, who has spent thirty years screaming about how much he hates artists, and how he deliberately never learnt to draw and refuses to because artists are what's holding comics back from being literature. And of course they're all idiots, it's comics, it needs both, you fucking cuntmonkeys are arguing over what's more important, the pedals or the wheels, your legs or your arms, dicks or pussies, light or heat. It's that much of an issue, go to an art exhibition or read a book, it's COMICS, you need BOTH to make a comic. Sure, you can skimp on one, but it'll be a SHIT COMIC, like a bicycle with no wheel or no pedals, and one kid's got no pedals, and the other kid's got no wheels, and they're sitting there on their broken bicycles arguing over who's better and they're both clearly retarded.

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You're right, user. But you'll never find that again in mainstream comics where stories never matter after years of being retconned, forgotten, or made irrelevant by another writer trying to one up everyone else. The days of taking this medium seriously in the west are very far behind us. Very few comic writers and artists can be taken seriously or give a damn about their craft. If you want passion and effort in this format read manga.

Personally, I feel like Hastings comedic and entertainment ability dwindled about half-way through Doctor McNinja. Either way, Gwenpool is definitely at it's best with a competent artist. I can't imagine how the mindfuck 4th wall breaking could even be done by a talentless fuckwit like Myisha Haynes. The woman can barely draw hands and faces, for fuck's sake.

As someone who never finished Dr. McNinja, at what point should I not keep reading it?
For reference, I stopped reading it past the introduction of the radical king but only because it hadn't updated past that point.

Or just go outside of the big two.
Ever heard of 2000 AD?

Even indie books are susceptible to the SJW plague. Especially nowadays. I can't take chances with any modern comics right now before I know they're over and done with. Containing no obvious CURRENT YEAR bullshit.

Son, just look up the things they've done. I recc you look at Dredd and start from its first prog. You have some 2k issues to look into and thats ignoring other titles like Warlock, Strontium Dog, or Slaine.
Or even look for Moebius' the Incal. All those are good old comics and the only ongoing titles there are Judge Dredd and Slaine iirc. No SJW shit there from what I can see.

I'm just tired of people only pushing capeshit or manga, while ignoring the European comic book scene (which is doing better, imo).

How is it a mindfuck, it's pretty simple

I'd say it's worth reading to the end, it definitely goes down in wackiness a bit but other than the vaguely brown female president (this was way before 2016) with flag pauldrons and an eyepatch but she doesn't stray into "overcompetent womyn" territory, it doesn't get too groan worthy.

UNBELIEVABLE GWEN TEDDY POOL #18

This issue opens with Teddy's experiences in the Marvel universe, and none of them are good.

Teddy meets the thing, finds out he has no home, and has to work for Arabian snake men because of his lack of documents.

But he finds his sister Gwen!

Unfortunately for Teddy, Gwen's changed since showing up in the Marvel U. She's become a lot more murderous.

Mileserman from the future, and the Doombot from the first arc, tells Teddy she's only going to get worse.

Reading all of this is Gwen, who escaped the comic last issue, and she is pissed.

The Unbelievable Gwenpool #18 closes with the revelation that, despite Teddy's efforts, they're not back in the real world. They never were in the real world. They NEVER EVEN LEFT THE COMIC.

This brings us up to date with Gwenpool. The next issue is supposed to drop August 16th.

This has been nothing but answers to questions nobody asked. Chronology and fake alternate universe questions aside that I expect either to be ignored or just briefly explained, this arc has given us two things: Gwen has stopped being chic Deadpool without superpowers and now is a comic book reality warper and her brother is always wrong because Hastings says so. The better question is why future Gwen is an asshole. Anything other than "I'm a nihilist because comics aren't real which means nothing matters except for what I care about shlubbba dubba bub bub" would be nice.

Teddy did nothing wrong.

She's cute when she's pissed.

Oh the comic that felt the need to throw in a parody of Nigel Farage to virtue signal, that one?

That's not true though. He was right in that Gwen can lead a normal life if she goes back home and applies herself. Even though, they're both stuck in comic land, she still has the means to turn her life around. He had no idea they were still trapped in a comic and wanted to save his sister and bring her back home.

To be fair, she is trapped inside a fantasy world. Nothing really will matter for her inside there. She's never going to age or see her real parents again. On bottom of the page where she rips a hole in the comic, you can see tears in her eyes when she tells her brother they aren't home. Having said that, I do believe she will eventually go to her real home with her brother. She can't stay in Wonderland forever.


Dredd is a comic about an autistic future cop, who plays things strictly by the books and nothing else. He doesn't use discretion at all. I remember the Farage thing, but I don't remember what it was about. Dredd essentially shows what happens when Socialism takes full control.


He didn't. He saw an opportunity to save his neet sister and give her a normal life. He did what any decent brother would do.

Wow this comic just went another level.

#19: Even Heroes Monologue, out now.

Somebody gonna dump the new release?

Its on the Other Chan

Extracted from That Other Place, the Unbelievable, the Amazing, the Impossible….
SssssqUIRREL GI– oh wait its just Gwen. Hi Gwen!

I'm supposed to do commentary on this aint I?
Well, this is when Mikey looks unusually angry, and Gwen falls off the page and dies.

Bye Gwen!!

Never before, our Gwen has been so close to death, be it physical or character death, so many times in one issue!! But Spidey is here to help!

Am I the only one who sees the funny of Spiderman killing Gwen Stacy?

Ooh, its exposition time, you'll see!!

Nu-nuh, these are hidden for a reason. Must protect the eyes of those just casually browsing and stuff.

And yet, there is one thing to say, Hastings is a hack, Guhiriru is a love who cant draw action, but it works. Because Hastings actually GREW up with comics, and Guhi can do CUTE.

And here? It really shows.

And thats it, another boring non-adventure starring… GWEN!!

Seriously though, is it just me or Marvel villains always have a cool cape? Is this some subliminal thing against DC?

Aw, I didnt think the Spoiler setting would stay clicked. There's nothing new about the last page. Soh-ree!

This comic just gets worse and worse. The story is getting even more stupid as fuck at this point

b-bane?

What were you expecting to happen to make it get better instead of worse?

How did they get away with this?

that's pretty fuggin' classic

she's cute, I like her.
that being said, this is yet another "SoL" type comics Marvel is doing but what separates this and shit like Hellcat is that this one has some cute characters and theres some stakes which make everything not pointless.