Hypothetically how much money do YOU need to start that co-op? Do you actually have a workable plan...

Hypothetically how much money do YOU need to start that co-op? Do you actually have a workable plan? Is your plan likely to liberate large numbers of people from the Capitalist system long term? Is it likely to supplant the local nodes of the capitalist economy wherever you are setting it up?

Come and pitch your hypothetical budge and ideas shark-tank style and maybe some random person will talk to you about funding it or something.

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A coffee shop would cost 30-50 thousand pounds. So 5-8/9 grand each between 5-8 people.

It really isn't that much

Working for my uncle right now. He has a small company that services walk in freezers and other refrigeration tech in Chicago. When he retires he's going to give me control of the company and I plan to turn it into a co-op.

Co-ops are shit even in the theoretical sense

They are subjected by the capital mode of function but try to go opposite of the capital purist of profit intention

Being indifference to the core and very point of the system you interned to use and be under is stupid
This is like trying to drive a car on the sea

It would take me… maybe two months of work to fund that. Probably three.

What makes your co-op coffee shop viable?

So you wouldn't require financing. Okay.

Actually, they're effectively a tumor within capitalism if you set them up right and nobody subverts them. A proper 501c3 can suck in money, provide a living for everyone under its wings, and avoid kicking back substantial amounts of money outside of its internal structure.

The main problem is someone on the inside in an administrative position getting greedy.

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;_;

what do you work as? It would take me at least 6 months

1) Happy staff make for happy customers
2) Selling coffee is fucking easy
3) The mark ups are crazy
4) Hipster cred=money

How would coops work in health related field? Do cooperative clinics exist?

it would probably be more that a group of co-ops funds a hospital I would imagine

I could be described as a private adult entertainer.

I think they do, but i don't know the ins and outs.

want to put 5 grand aside and find 4 other people?

I don't want to work in coffee myself.

So start a private adult entertainment co-op and then help me start my co-op, then later on we can both fund a school

I mean I'd fund it, sure. I can do 5k with a week's pay.

I don't know about a private adult entertainment co-op, that's scaling up from a misdemeanor to a felony.

The fuck? Do you live off off air or something?

I have sizeable cash reserves and a sizeable income.

I need to make enough money to pay for my own costs, since I am a programmer. Thats it really, already have my laptop.

Keep throwing shit at the wall until something sticks

Unlikely, I would have to be pretty lucky.

Nope, google aint going to budge an inch.

I will write shitty software for food, shelter, an internet connection and a bit of pocket money for clothes, toothbrushes, deprecation and repairs. Call now, limited time offer.

Use them for the revolution

gibesme co-op money please

Move to somewhere where your work is legal?

I'm more or less proposing to fund co-ops while working on my back. I just want to know that they're workable.

TBH I would feel bad accepting money from other workers to fund a business that might not succeed, let alone money made by a prostitute. It just feels bad to take the money from the exploited with the promise that it will work i swaer guyz

I have extensive coffee experience also its pretty much the lowest entry cost highest reward business you can start.

A coffee co-op in a college town/area would definitely go down well, particularly if you picked a lefty town. You could even advertise it as a place for the local college groups to have their marx meetings and whatnot

I'm paid $300 an hour for my time. Porky fucks us all, but at least I get paid for it.

Market seems a bit saturated though.

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what if it meant that future workers for generations would not be exploited?

also she makes about 10x what I do so I don't know whose getting fucked really

This, tbh.

OP, just donate some money to some union or something.

In what magical place are you living? Can i go there?

More money isn't going to fix the problems unions have.

Jesus fuck.

I still wouldn't want to trade, and I'm a guy. Maybe im just prude af.


Honestly I would feel better if its from some classcucked rich guy/idealist bleeding heart daddy's money person, or my own money, so that if I fuck up its either not a big deal or all on me. I don't like to be in debt with people, figuratively and literally.

Not with co-ops in isn't. It would be like the opposite of Starbucks. I would take care to make sure it was. What you are selling is the co-operative factor. This kind of market is expanding as more and more people become conscious of what they are buying and who from.

I literally already have these burns from an SJW ex who was craaazzzyy

Eh. It's not for everyone, for sure.

There's a niche for that, sure. You would only need 5k from me then?

Dont build your bussiness model around such a gimmick. The people should come for the product, not the idea.

if I had 4 other volunteers and had worked for another couple of months

The product is coffee. Nobody knows what good coffee is as long at there is the name of a third world country on the bag.

Trust me. Most times you serve somebody a latte when they asked for a cappuccino or vice versa and they NEVER know. I made a game out of this.

at least after a certain standard i.e. self ground whole beans etc

I have no idea what youre trying to say but you seem to know your coffee.

Personally can't stand the black poison.

work in any place that serves coffee for a week and you will 'know' coffee.

They try to make it 'artisan' or whatever to make hipsters feel special and snowflaky.

They trick is there is very little to know, unless you are actually a bean grower.

you seem to be a first quality scort, can we have some pics?

I've posted pics before.

Post them again, please? I never saw them.

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Anyway, good luck with your coffee business. I can't come, I'm terribly suited for the food service industry.

Introverted so interaction with people is exhausting, I am terrified of contaminating the food via some kind of freak sneeze, etc. Worked in a supermarket and a DIY warehouse and interaction with customers is by far the worst part of the job.


You have long or short hair? Eeeeuuh, for reasons.

Right now longish.

I'm in love, you're gorgeous.

No wait, scratch that, the managers were, but at least in the DIY warehouse he fucked off most of the day and I could avoid him, in the supermarket that turbocunt constantly drove his workers into the ground, insulting every and being a general cock alround. Glad I was fired.


Eh, guess I can't always be lucky. Good luck eh.

Thanks.

I don't think it looks good short.

I think we have talked before. In a co-op there would be no manager

I blame the media for making short hair supposedly "ugly".

Even a democrtically elected and recallable one?

I know that, it was a comment about my other jobs.

But interacting with customers is a close second. Now excuse me, its 4 am and I'm still awake in my cave bedroom, time to sleep.

omg good tits, where can i found more?

pornhub.com

I think she was the prostitute from that one time

amirite?

Yep.

thought so. You might be the least cancerous anfem poster. Which isn't saying much, but still.

Be nice to your comrades, especially when they give you monies.

What when did she give me money?!

its not the same but yet

Well all the books say we have no choice but to murder everyone who refuse to be liberated so let's start with that.

PRIVILEGED BOURGEOIS BRAT DETECTED

YOU WILL BE KILLED ON THE REVOLUTION

PIECE OF SHIT

For a tumor to be effective it needs to spread across the body of capitalism until reaching the balls of capital
A thing that co-ops can't handle or provide efficiently

If they can do it in one municipality then it's repeatable. It just has to set in somewhere.

It depends, but I've recently had circumstances change where I'll be able to do it myself or with a few partners. Will have to eat porky shit for a few years maybe, but afterwards can tell them to fuck off.


Yes, I think I'll be easily able to get everything started and legally bulletproof.


No, that would require a revolution. What my plan would do is give some people better conditions and function as a propaganda outlet for commie media.


Nope. Entertainment industry already got killed by pirating. I'm just going to allow artists to do their own thing without having to swallow porky loads.

Here we can see, I claim, *sniffs*, ideology at its purest

Ideology at its purest because I see no distinction between a salaried worker and a prostitute, or some sort of internet post-irony thing?

It's because you get fucked for money and he's assblasted about that because muh lumpens.

But doesn't he know that we all get fucked for money? Doesn't he get that when porky writes the laws that everyone is "lumpen" because anyone can be a criminal?

you're reading too deeply into shitposting sweetie

>hun

Stop defending literal whores of capital.
We all know how their skills will be utilized in a rehabilitative labor camps.

It's different because letting a 30-50-something porky slip his, tiny I assume dick, in your pussy is somehow more degrading than cleaning up vomit or the disappearing factory jobs. Because spooks. Doesn't make sense to me but sex isn't really special to me.


No idea. Having done both drug dealing and theft I don't really give a shit.

Now show us some books.

What made you get into sex work?

Would you say you decision to do sex work was motivated by your anfem beliefs or vice versa?

I've prototyped a model for producing and promoting mobile games. It's designed to support a large number of small, autonomous studios.

Very little programming is needed, mainly artists and writers are required; the size of a studio producing these games can be just a handful of people.

Games are promoted to devoted genre fan communities that will spread news of them by word of mouth. The goal for a new studio would be to create material that inspires a following, then continue making games to keep the following strong.

The start-up costs would generally be a few thousand to get a studio off the ground, allowing the members to take time off to produce their first game and promote it.

Sound interesting?

My parents are refugees from Lebanon. I got into sex work to pay for college, because in large part I recognize that knowledge and understanding of my fellow man is worth more than money. So I sell an hour for $300 so that I have that much time worth of freedom.

Yes.

Got a contact email or shall I make a throwaway?

Harden the fuck up. I work liquor and I still manage to tell people to get out when they're threatening to deck me. Fuckin love/hate relationship with adrenaline helps.

The flaw with wanting everything to be coops is the coops then start to compete. Then again i suppose you could just form a syndicate or at worst a cartel. Price fixing is socialist as fuck anyway and all the fat porkies do it.


A lumpen who's willing to throw their whore money at coops is fine by me. Only retards think cross-class alliances are anti-communist or something. You australian? Lots of lebanese here.

You've started a thread with that image already. Are you the whore woman?

I'm already part of a co-op. It took 2.5 million dollars to get started.

it's different, prostitutes and thieves are not considered as proletarians, as their "jobs" are not really productive.

also there is a moral thing, since you literally sell your workforce in the most socially inaceptable way possible.

even though, if you are disposed to use your capital in a revolutionary way (starting a coop, for example), i have nothing to do but to give you my respects.

Nor are therapists, or public health service workers that don't specifically deal with fixing physical defects. Equally "not productive".

fuck you on about? Most service and retail, and care, is not "productive".

By the way, how do you personally view a prostitute? Someone who just walks around "being exploited"? How's the economic transaction work… oh right, there's a seller, and there's a consumer.

Who's the exploited part in a seller and consumer relationship, again? Who has the power, who sells the product and sets the price? Oh right.

Logically, it should be pretty fucking straight forward. But nope, it revolves around sexual things so -OHMYGODTHEWORLDISENDING.

A "customer" of a prostitute, bar the only version that exists in movies (i.e someone who just wants to rape and kill everyone, appearantly), is *also* an exploited party in the commodification of sex - as in all commodification. Their needs and desires are being exploited, for profit.

If you look at it calmly, without moral bullshit, it really is pretty damn straight forward. Most people who can't look at it like that or put it in some sort of "special sphere", are as far as I've seen, hiding some deep rooted hatred of sexuality in general, and a disgust for anything erotic.

Better suited to ally with the church of the past than the left at any point in time.

We've been over this before. A prostitute is not the same as a sex worker. The latter is exploited by capitalist social relations – there is a commodification of a sexual service which is then exchanged on the market, the surplus of that labor being appropriated by the capitalist while the sex worker is paid a wage, which returns only a fraction of the full value of the service. A prostitute commodifies themselves for themselves – they are the merchant and the merchandise. Their services are exchanged on the market but there is no appropriation of surplus value – all revenue is kept for personal consumption and savings, hence why their income is so much higher relative to someone sucking dicks for a wage. This income is not reinvested into any enterprise – there is no further investment in constant or variable capital, and none is handed out as dividends. They answer to no boss, or pimp, and they do not allow a capitalist to accumulate capital. They are not proletarians – they are lumpen proletariat. Which is fine, you know; some people care about the morals, but we're really talking about social relations of production.

prostitution is totally prescindible, that's why i refer to it as an improductive job.

they literally suck the remaining surplus of porkies by degradating themselves in a socially inaceptable way of wageslavism and classcuckoldry.

that's why prostitutes are considered as entities that rarely can afford class counsciousness; because their own "job" is nothing but a second order parasitism

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Depends on the company. My intention, once I finish up my finance degree, is to help people solve this exact problem. So if you and some friends want to start a co-op instead of being a wage slave, drop me in a line in a year and I'll help you secure startup funding for a small fee. :^)

To clarify, the idea is:
1. Find a group of workers who are unemployed (or who are employed but want to quit).
2. Convince them to form a worker cooperative.
3. Arrange the incorporation.
4. Work with them to figure out what they need to get started (capital, licenses, land, advertising, etc.) and figure out how much it costs.
5. Maybe help them come up with a business plan, though that isn't my strong suit.
6. Secure the startup financing through whatever means necessary (loans, bonds, etc.).
7. After some amount of time (1 year, 6 months, 3 months, depends), collect a fee from the cooperative for my services. If it's a really high-risk enterprise, I might demand an upfront fee.

That's it.

I've already got plans to do something like that, if you're still here will drop you a line.

Neat. I'll probably be here still. Are you in the US?

Texas, so yes unless we secede.

Anyway, I'm in Florida. Guess I wouldn't mind doing some traveling.

Also, apparently I can't fucking spell today. Someone kill me.