Oldfags Only- What Would Dr. Pierce have thougth of Trump?

You're missing the point. If you watched the video (I didn't out it there for my fucking health), the more fundamental question is that now that Trump have proved you can win even with literally even Jewish media organization and outlet against you, not an endorsement from even a single newspaper, has "democracy" now entered a new paradigm since Trump can directly communicate with the people any hour of the day with no Jews to censor/spin his message?

Is Dr. Pierce's criticism of democracy still valid in a post-Trump election victory world? Or are we fucked anyway due to demographics unless he really, really gets to work cleaning house of Mexicans?

also, I'd argue Dr. Pierce's vision of the future may not be "workable," but it's inevitable. Maybe not in the "Turner Diaries" sense of nukes going off, but it's hard to see the country going into South Africa levels of corruption without some sort of fight given how many are armed and how reliant they are on 98% White Special Operations units.

Also, fucking shame he never lived to see YT and "video blogging." HE used to look for any way to get his message out,even so far as spending his life savings on a "Resistance Music" company he hated.

If he had lived into his 80s? He'd probably have a mini-media empire with truly smart people and the Jews would be shitting themselves. Back when it cost a shitload to make a halfway decent computer game, he paid to make "Ethnic Cleansing" where you fight niggers and mexicans in NYC before heading down into subway to fight final boss: Ariel Sharon.

Seems so fucking unfair that Henry Kissinger is alive but he is dead.

Man, I wish I knew how to get more people to listen to his broadcasts/watch the videos people made of his broadcasts.

How sorry a state are we in when a "Milo" (TM) video talking about black dicks can get almost a million views and Dr. Pierce videos can only get a few thousand?

If you are lurking here, highly suggest you check out his audio (start with "criminals with badges") and work your way through. His message 20 years later still just as relevant. If you are a Dr. Pierce fan, please bump. This is the message people should be listening to today:

archive.org/details/DrWilliamPierceAudioArchive308RadioBroadcasts

Threads about him or threads that featured his videos and ideas were much more common before the conservative invasion that came along with Trump.

Pierce was not familiar, at all with the internet, it was in its fetus stage of development when he died in 2001 and he had almost no expertise of familiarity with it or its potential. His conception of the world was one without internet, and without internet Trump would not have won since the old playbook of controlling TV news and print media would be effective. His criticism of democracy is still valid insofar as his argument that information saturation and psyops are as effective as any outright censorship, and a "free press" as a tool of government accountability is a shitty meme. His criticism is not entirely valid since meme warfare and internet nazi frog wizards are now a thing but given the context which he lived in they are entirely valid. If he was alive today he would be proud of /bmw/ and Holla Forums. As for Trump, he would probably see him as a slight means to an end as far as the Mexican problem is concerned but be fiercely critical of just about everything else especially his Zionist ties.

I remember listening to audio of his speeches on Youtube 5+ years ago. The previous stormfag generation (which didn't seem to use the chans at the time) idolized him. Very good speaker, very intense. He had all his facts down perfectly.

Like others said here, he thought democracy was fraudulent, and I can only assume that he would have thought Trump was a Jewish puppet brought in by democracy just like the rest of them. He didn't believe in beating the Jews at their own game, he wanted to make his own game.

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Excellent thread OP.

I think only time will tell. But the zealots who rabidly excuse every questionable thing Trump does as "4D chess" are only helping the Jews. His feet should be held to the fire when he acts like a shabbos goy (and he should be supported and encouraged when he doesn't).

One thing is certain, Dr. Pierce despised sheep.

I think he'd be optimistic that Trump could destroy the institutions of the (((left))), but would be worried that Trump's successes could satiate the anger of his supporters short of rooting out the actual issue.

Yeah, he had a much more appealing vision of the future. I need to get caught up on his material.

you motherfuckers are desperate for some sort of attention, huh ANTIFA? Yes, I'm only "pretending" to have the encyclopedic knowledge of Dr. Pierce have already demonstrated in this thread..

Fucking conservative idiots from reddit are ruining Holla Forums, we almost never discuss Dr. Pierce or Commander Rockwell anymore. Most of these idiots are more in love with Trump himself than what he has the potential to do. They justify each and everyone of his fuckups as 'playing the game' and think you should compromise to increase numbers but fail to realise that it leads to cucking until you are identical to the enemy. Trump will and is improving America but if you think he is the be all end all for the West you need to fuck off. He is an improvement, but this doesn't mean a civic nationalist businessmen is going to make the West fascist. For fucks sake, I've seen people using fascist as a perjorative on Holla Forums of all places. You niggers need to read James Mason's SIEGE.

Holla Forums needs less reddit/TRS and more Ironmarch.

Dr. Pierce was never a "stormfag," nor did he attract them. He had no patience for LARPers. The FEDs were so afraid of him since his followers (like Bob Matthews and the Order) actually did something.
To really understand him, you need to get "Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds" which I think s on solargeneral in pdf for free. A "normal" Professor of Education came down from the University of Vermont to write a book about him, which even he admitted he expected would be a hit piece. After a month with him and a few more reading the material Pierce told him to read, he was converted. He still writes for AmRen last I checked.

Almost no one realizes he worked at Los Alamos and at the Cal State Jet Prop Laboratory. He had a tenured job teaching graduate physics at age 32. Point is, he doesn't have some half-assed foreign degree like Duke. He was every bit as brilliant as he comes off. Wish I'd been old enough to at least meet him before he died.

Fucking scum that took over his operation after he died sold even his old receipts to SPLC. Potak must have about 6 handwritten letters to there from me at 13 or 14 with a receipt for books and other shit I ordered by sending cash.

Not sure who this guy i, so I don't know.

An ancient stormfag appears in the wild.

I thought your kind were an extinct breed. You still have my respect, though.

were stormfags raiding /new/ a significant influence on Holla Forums going nazi? I only witnessed it via 4chon post-death, I came for /r9k/ and left a /new/sman.

If you don't know who Pierce is, you don't belong here. You must be very confused when people talk about the "DotR."

We're still here. Mostly because there isn't anywhere else to go. I can't blame people getting caught up in this election considering what has transpired since /new/ was around.

thats worthy of a one month ban in my opinion, for not knowing pierce. I reported that guy.

No, that's an aggrandizing myth meme from stormfront.

One of the worst things about the TRS/Aut-Right types is that they see Dr. Pierce as a liability and think Spencer is going to convert the world to their ideology. In reality, the average normalfag would respond better to Pierce's "most 1488" talk than they would to Spencer's best podcast or appearance in the jewish media.

Alex Linder's audiobook of that is great, he includes a lot of his own commentary.
www.alexlinder.com/audiobooks/griffin-fame.html

I expect you are Antifa trying to play off the other board with the fat Jew Larper against this one? Holla Forums has/had its own core of users. Most are still burned out from Trump and have gone back to their normal life. But after another big happening, the smart people will return.

I can't say for sure if you're antifa or just dumb, but the people antifa have been running circles around here are not the oldfag Holla Forums who played at least some role in cleansing the old GOP.

when it's time to cleanse again, oldfag Holla Forums will return.>>8963157
Linder's still around then huh? I got booted off VNN 6 or 7 years ago for a having an argument with "Rounder." A month later, the dumb fuck went to shoot up a jew center and didn't hit one Jew. Linder was a good writer in certain respects but his fucking ego made me crazy. He could even be another Hal Turner, you don't stand in downtown knowxville yelling "Nigger" through a megaphone. Not even Rockwell did that.

here's a (you)

Bump for visibility.

This.

He said the Middle Class is what is destroying the West. And he's right. Alt-Right is a fucking cancer like Christianity.

But… we need a reboot because everything was fucking lost until Trump.

I know I'm going to trigger the kikes from r/theDonald by saying something that has already been said before but Trump is probably a zionist. He's extremely pro-Israel and hates Iran, one of the main enemies of globalism and international jewish influence right now. He's defintely going to make America great again but his actions will probably have negative effects on the rest of the world, I also don't think you should work together with the same people who caused the "refugee" crisis and support sending all muslims in the ME to Europe.
Try to prove me wrong without mentioning Hillary or calling me a shill.

It's inevitable, millions upon millions of wogs outnumbering the native whites wont be so tolerant and benevolent as whites have been to the minority.

It will be either fight or die.

Is that why the only resistance to poz/degeneracy and immigration up till the 50s & 60s was the mocked derided and mercilessly persecuted Christians in America and the West?
WWII was the victory of jery over white Christian civilisation.

Trump is international jewry's man.

They guys been working in Jew York closely with kikes for decades. He knows how they operate and knows they're just paper tigers with the antisemitic accusations. Plus, since he has Jewish grandchildren he can use them for plausible deniability.

He would probably have seen Trump as another Reagan, lulling people into a false sense of security with a few half-measures.

Why is the middle class destroying the West? What does he want? Communism? Feudalism?

That he's hoo-ite.

And that's why we don't like TRS/alt-kike. They are nothing more than a convenient label.

Dr. Pierce would not really back Trump because of all the jews involved not only in his government but in his family, but he would point out the beneficial things and that is mainly related to the media's corruptness and political correctness finally losing ground thanks in part to Trump's narrative. A stepping stone and certainly not a destination. Dr. Pierce is quite impartial, so I suspect his position would be like mine: we'll watch this carefully and see how it plays out. The point is – even if you ignore jews appointed in government or jews in the family – not to just relax like everything is all better and fixed simply because you voted. If you think like that then he will just be more Reagan-tier morphine. That means his election is irrelevant: what is relevant is what Americans do with it themselves. Will they sit on the couch as if they saved the world through democrazy or will they start strapping on their boots as things start to get more serious?

Ethnic Cleansing is a shitty game, he could have done way better.

He chastised the middle class for complacency, inaction, and general weakness instead of blaming them for "destroying the West", kikes, commies, liberals and shitskins were destroying the west and the middle class never offered any resistance because they had food in the fridge and the TV was working. If natsoc ever gains serious power the middle class and lemmings in general will go along with it as easily as they went along with kike subversion and infiltration.

Keep lurking his podcasts newfag, he said 15+ years ago that Trump would be the republican kosher candidate. Fucking fools wont listen to the man who predicted 9/11 among other things.

We're not Iranian so we don't give a fuck.
It doesn't work that way. An Iranian, North Korean gook, and Syrian will only ever consider you a second class citizen. A disgusting convert. They have their own motives.

We fight for ourselves, not the "collective" against Jewish supremacy. You must also recognized that there is not just "one main Jewish" threat. Pierce mentions this with "Jews on both sides of the great water".
I just don't like the generalization. It weakens the overall goal.

Trump already has struck a tremendous blow to the left. It's great. More than any of us. I've seen plenty of whites that are subtly being red pilled by the violence.

This would be his answer:
nationalvanguard. org/2010/09/our-cause/

Don't forget it.

I think you are unaware that Pierce already predicted Trump would be the republican kosher candidate more than 15 years ago. Situations change, but it looks like the jews maxim: "the best way to control the opposition is being the opposition" is at work here, considering how many jews there are surrounding Trump.
To understand jewish political manieuvering you have to listen and read jewish scholars claiming that new migrants arent versed in the holocaust or care not about it, and such they undermine jewish hegemony. Thats probably the reason they are restricting immigration and maybe sending some back, not because they care about white goys, stupid goy.

Are you high?

Pierce would be ok with what Trump is doing but would want him the accel his plans and ramp them up to turn America into a White ethnostate. Kicking out illegals and banning muslims is the first step.

After that the removal or undersirables.

Dont be such a simpleton, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and thus iranians are friends. They are the ones hosting the holocaust revisionist conferences, you fool. Im sure you would have been cheering the bombing of germans and serbians, no offense but you are just a retarded golem.
Jewish parasitism is global and it has to be fought on a global scale on many fronts, dont make a nuisance of yourself.

Not an oldfag really, please pardon my intrusion, but relatedly, I had the funny thought while reading "Dead Man's Deeds" of what WLP and GLR would think of the shitlord internet and the minor cultural skirmishes that we've won recently. I imagined GLR having an absolute blast with twitter, I bet he would have been a natural troll, and understood it immediately. I'm trying to imagine where WLP would fit into our current cyber-world, probably somewhere effort-posty, threads like these or MPC or something. Anyway, Sage.

Trump has done a million times more than Pierce for the white race so I honestly don't care what a loser thought.

Hell Holla Forums alone has accomplished a fuckton more than the NA/Pierce. Regardless of how much I agree with them, I don't think the opinions of losers matter all that much.

I'm an oldfag as in I've been on 4chan since 2006. But I'm not old enough to have known Dr. Pierce since I'm 28. I've listened to enough of his broadcasts to understand what he was about. He would have hated Trump. Trump isn't even own our side and Dr. Pierce wouldn't have even supported a reformer that was for white nationalism. Dr. Pierce pushed for a revolutionary vanguard.

Dr. Pierce saw the failure of the reformers. You have to remember even in the 1980s there was loads of segregationists in congress. There was even some segregationists in congress in the 90s. He watched George Wallace fail there's no way he'd have went along with some kind of reformer that wasn't even one of us.

Dr. Pierce had a better population to work with. There were generally better people. In the 60s he had a good 40% of the population that were racialists to work with and pull them into his organisation. 70s 35%, 80s 30%, 90s 25%, 00s, 20% and now here we are in the 10s and have at best a 15% of the population that are racialists to work with and half of them over the age of 65. Our situation is abysmal. All the energy that was put into supporting Trump could have been put into building an organisation.

We have no organisation. The best thing we have is Matthew Heimbach's Traditional Workers' Party but he'll never be another Dr. Pierce because his voice is too effeminate, he's shy to violence and generally not inspiring. We need better people.

Heimbach is a jew, so we will have to be these better people.

Well said Schlomo, people who predict wars and terrorist events years before they happen, give their lives to advance goy interests and predicted Trump to be the kosher republican nominee decades ago are losers and bad goys. Heil Trump, and Kushner.

Trips don't lie. Pierce would see all of the buzz that Trump has generated and say something like, "His policies are a step in the right direction, but you all do know that he's not actually Hitler, right? He may subscribe to a race horse theory, but nothing he has said would indicate that race is what guides his thinking."

People are starting to understand that programming that comes from academia and the media. That's progress. I'm sure that Pierce would touch on that with a bit of optimism. It wasn't foreseeable in his day. However, the white race is still dying. Trump may build a wall and possibly even stop the flow, but any racial solidarity he's built is centered around memes like 'Democrats are the real racists.'

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Pierce often talked about how things can backfire when jews try to take too much too quickly, and he would probably frame trump in that context – jews were arrogant in their belief that they could force a witch like hillary onto the country. They got ahead of themselves, it backfired, and a trump presidency is the result.

However, he would also sound a lot like brother nathanael in his criticism of trump; he'd point out all of the jewish connections, bankers, and zionists in partnership with trump's administration, and he'd remind us that we have only just begun to turn the tide.

Pierce foresaw the power of the internet back when we were barely able to stream stuttering audio through shitty ass realaudio plugins on 28k dialup connections. He'd point out that although a trump presidency is by no means the solution to the western man's predicament, none of this would have been possible had it not been for our ability to share ideas and communicate online. He would say it demonstrates a weakness in the jew's plans, and he'd encourage us to use the internet to our advantage in our battle for survival against them.

Just like we're doing right now.

Kevin Alfred Strom, who wrote some of Dr. Pierces early radio addresses, on Trump.

Pierce was a radical and chances are he would be likely to see Trump as a detriment, because it gives people a false sense of safety - as if something real is being done, meanwhile it could be compared to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. He wanted things that would make people angry, he had no illusions of change through voting.

He spoke of radical ideology, of cause and effect, of doing things that might seem detrimental at first, because they rile people up afterwards. In the Turner Diaries, when writing about the people who complain about the crackdown resulting from the initial violence - he says that the goal (in the book, speaking about the fictional group) was not to blow things up, or to kill people… but to generate a harsh crackdown, to provoke as large of a response as possible from the government purely for the goal of generating more sympathy and outrage, to make yourselves appear as the victim, and make other whites feel oppressed.

With that said, I dont think he would like Trump. Especially considering hes a zionist.

to expand slightly further on that, he also gives Reagan as the example of a test for who is fit to be recruited, and who isn't really on the same ideological level as the National Alliance. If youre a Reagan fan, a patriotic American and pro-conservative type - you're probably not at the point where you need to be in terms of political understanding. Trump is pretty much a civic nationalist, at least officially.

williamlutherpierce.flawlesslogic.com/thoughts-on-recruiting-part-two/

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I think he would still support voting Trump over Hillary or a third party. Trump is an interesting phenomenon of going toe to toe with the entire lugenpresse and is doing some good stuff with beaner wall. Pierce would definitely not be uncritical of him cucking on some issues though. He is a first step - not the last.

Gee OP, I dunno

trump didnt beat kikes.
his children are married to them and his whole administration is jewish.
if pierce would post here as an user he would have been banned from 8/pol/

The same goes for an Israeli, maybe even more so. Jews don't ever consider anyone their friend or ally, just someone they can use, there is no reason to help them or even call them "our greatest ally" when it's mostly them gaining something from their relations with US and not vice versa. I thought it was going to be America first? And then why continue sending money and weapons to Israel at the expense of taxpayers?

Slight correction: jews don't ever consider anyone that isn't jewish as well their friend or ally.

WLP would be here recruiting for non-defectives. Almost all his work was to set up a network of National Socialists with legal protection, he already had all his theory and moral framework set in stone. Perhaps he'd give his opinions on current events every so often, but it would be us putting his spoken words here, not him at the keyboard.

Is it not true that Hitler surrounded himself with Jews?

Is it not true that Hitler also wanted the Jews to have a country to themselves, but many of them didn't cooperate, and they were eventually put into camps to prevent them from staging another revolution during WWII?

Honest questions - I've read these claims on Holla Forums many times, but haven't checked them for myself.

It's not.

No, Hitler wanted them out of Germany, but he was also opposed to giving them Palestine.

Didn't mean to sage.

No, it isn't true.
No, it isn't true. He was very clear in Mein Kampf that should the jews secure a sovereign homeland in Palestine it would be a breeding ground for jewish thieves, murderers, terrorists, and a safe haven for jewish criminals to escape to. Shipping them out to Palestine was done under the idea of getting them the fuck out of Germany and putting them under the thumb of Muslims. Later on they realized this wasn't enough and wanted to isolate them on Madagascar.

Trump's family has merged with Internationalist Jews. Dr. Pierce would want nothing to do with Trump.

And what about the dogwistles? I assume they are all to placate / gain the support of white nationalists, while not actually being one himself?

Strom's most recent ADV is about Trump.

Ronald Reagan dogwhistled plenty. And look what he did: blanket amnesty for several million beaners and a sand nigger alliance that destroyed the lives of tens of millions of White people in Russia.

You guys seem reasonable. You should read this: http:// redefininggod. com/nwo-schedule-of-implementation/
Might save you some time.

sauce?

aka I want to accuse someone of something without proof