Riddle me this

Riddle me this


This is empirically false based on the best data that we have. How and why do yo continue to spout this nonsense?

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Communists today put race and colonialism (which is just race put into a larger context) ahead of proletarian struggle because conditions have changed to make it so.

For example, the working class in France is completely reactionary, but Muslim immigrants in French ghettos have all the revolutionary potential in the world given that 1. many of them have tangible memories of French crimes during the colonization of the Maghreb, 2. they have little to nothing to lose as they barely benefit at all from the French welfare system/social democracy, 3. their religion promotes collectivism and a strong sense of community, so they're already conditioned into a collectivist mode of living/producing.

What's the riddle? Communist parties became warped to serve the interests of their bureaucracy, and in doing so used basic spooks that humanity had not yet moved on from as a society. And now we realise that was stupid…

What's the riddle? Are you asking why people believe that things can be different?

THIS WILL NOT BACKFIRE IN ANY WAY, TRUSTING ON A RELIGION WITH NO RELATION TO LIBERALISM WILL FUCKING WORK. LE UNITY BY NATION IS BAD AND UNITY BY GOD IS GOOD! THEY WILL BE '''REVOLUTIONARY'' CAUSE THEY ARE OPPRESSED. JUST AS THE AMERICANS WERE WITH THE BRITISH MONARCHY, THEY BECAME SOCIALIST!!! OR THE JEWS IN WW2 WHO TOTTALY FUCKING SET UP SOCIALISM IN THEIR COUNTRY AND NOT A PROTO-FASCIST STATE OR ANYTHING.

This board is a fucking joke.

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Those weren't communist and didn't claim to be, they considered themselves socialist working towards communism. The only reason communist gets thrown around is to differentiate socdems and ML states.

If you're asking why we keep saying socialism takes precedence and identity politics are a distraction, it's because most mainstream liberalized idpol fails to address systemic oppression in favor of letting a few cunts, niggers, and spics become porkies while ensuring the vast majority stew in opression enabled by the capitalist system. Only by achieving socialism can we arrive at the material conditions that allow such oppression to be stamped out, as the hierarchy that enabled it is now gone and there is no material power to enable new hierarchy to be built unless you fuck up and let Leninists take charge

The only reason why the Muslim World is "fascist" today is because of western imperialism you fucking dolt. When Muslims have been autonomous they naturally gravitate towards socialism, not communism per se but very close. Nasser and Gaddafi as well as the early Assad regime are proof that Islam and socialism go very well together. Plus the PFLP is the second largest party in Palestine.

Like it or not, the next wave of socialist revolutions will ultimately have a strong element of Islam. Even the Naxalites are partnering with Islamic leaders in order to overthrow fascist Hinduism.

I dont know if i should be sad or happy that the statist socialists like reformists and Leninists have fallen so fucking low. Marx is rolling in his grave and the left is now but a pure parody of itself.

There is literally nothing wrong with incorporating Islamic values into socialism, or basing socialism on an Islamic paradigm instead of a Judeo-Christian or humanist one. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world right now and the number is expected to keep increasing for the next 30 years. You cannot expect all those people to fight for a secular ideology or an ideology based on a paradigm that's outside their realm of thinking (i.e. materialism).

No. Only Christian socialism in an option because it is dialectically superior. All those 1.6 billion reactionaries can be gulaged idgaf

Which is why Communist Party. Right.

Well sure it will work with whatever bastardisation you work with called socialism, but this will not and never ever work with anarchy for just the simple proposition that you submit to God, and Morality, Idealogy, Society and the Collective.

Islam doesn't believe in a fixed morality, and a major principle of Islam is the ability to change Islamic Law as society evolves (which makes it have the potential for moral nihilism IMHO). Islam itself is entirely based on exegesis of the Qur'an meaning there are ZERO fixed meanings or traditions in the religion.

I'm sorry, but if Anarchism implies freedom, how is it exactly going to enforce the laws of having no Society or Ideology?

Yes, but only in Shiite Islam. In Sunni Islam (the vast majority of Muslims) it is stated clearly that only a few scholars who have studied Islam thier whole life are capable of doing ijtihiad.

if literally every muslim should be gulag'd just because of what they think then a LOT of christians are definitely going with them

Soviet Russia was better for women than Tsarist russia

So its just a free thought liberalism where you can grab anything and bastardize it for what it orginally intended to be. Thats even fucking worse, fucking spreading your base system of beliefs to every other single thought and taking property of them to be used for the sake of the absolute. Just go full protestantism and rape whatever your god (state) meant.

I prever to totoal abolishment of this instead of be le flexible. The Social relations reducing the I to a social role still will be maintained in your Free Thought Protestantism Islam

Fixed or fluid Morality doesnt mather, abolish morality.

Dont change law but fuckign abolish law.\

Do whatever the fuck you want and apply this Protestantism Free Though Islam but it will just go the exact same way with all the sectarianism in socialism today. Fluid Morality, Thoughts, creates revisionism and will create devide and sectarianism and will again like we now have result into conflict.

Only thing you want to do is change to religion of Marxism to Islam, it will result in the exact same thing and will fail like Marxism did.

But it wasn't though, save for industrial advancement that the tsars were trying to implement regardless.

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You should actually listen to real Muslims when they talk about their religion. Go find any hijabi feminist and ask her if anyone is forcing her to adhere to modesty standards (hint: they're not). All Islamic traditions are the same way. They're not a law code like Mosaic Law is. Rather, they're hints and tips to bring you, as an individual, closer to God.

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Are you retarded?

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So it was better than the most backward country in Europe at the time of WWI. A shit sandwich dipped in ketchup is better than a shit sandwich by itself.

There's no such thing as only one reason.

I will get the same ass awnser from all the towns here who have their own unique christian sect and also some fundamentalist groups. Your religion isnt unique, its just an logical conlusion that your religion has grasped free thought and now can grasp any single idea in existance and take it as its own if its reasonable or not. The logical conclusion of a fixed idea is that the fixed idea takes ownership of all idea's, spreading its interpitations upon every single idea!

Kill Yourself, God isnt unique he is just the absolute idea of your idealogy. He is an idea and always will remain so. Religion is a mistake, idealogy is a mistake, the ability to think is a mistake and humanity is a mistake.

And anarchism isn't the same?

are you purposely misspelling ideology as a play on words with idealism

Have you ever notiched the ism in Anarchism?

Half the shit i say is ironic or a parody and the half is me being truthfull.

Pedo Lamborn Wilson pls go.

You ganne round up the gays/the trans/queer too for the gas chamber to only have the perfect idea of being for your fixed idea?

This is the most fucked-up description of DiaMat interdependence I've ever read.

10 seconds in duck:

As horrible as ML regimes were, this usually wasn't the background they discriminated on.
Usually, it was about thought-crimes and how well you fit in and how obedient they were. That's disregarding the fact they mostly didn't give a shit about class-struggle either.

The PFLP is secular-Marxist and most of its members (particularly in Gaza) are Christian.

And this is how you tell a plebbitor or a polack from a comrade.

Oh, and, anachronism is not an argument.
"Gommies were against gays"
While the rest of the world was Broggressive as fuck.

Also, " religious minorities".
KEK

He's not suggesting you trust the religion, he's talking about that specific group of people living in France

Idealism/10 try again

all ideology is idealism bakka

Why do you care about sexsim if there is no power behind it? If you don't have to work with a sexsist boss, then common man's sexsism doesn't matter since he has no influence on your life.

why are you even here?

To joke around~

Those ethnicities and sexual minorities who can`t survive in their new social conditions will naturally perish in the fires of revolution.

Do you have friends in real life? Serious question.

Thanks fag, now I can`t even drink the rest of my coffee with peace in my mind.

You don't enjoy your daily cumoffee user ? =0

OP is lying

1.
homosexuals were more liberated in the east, in example germany it was first entirely legalized in east germany, the GDR.

there is a false comparison taking the socialist nations from decades ago with only very recent and still held back progress for homosexuals of today western liberal societies.
but also just the before mentioned flat out lie.

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women were more liberated in the east with economic independence, higher involvment in high educated and leading jobs, again a flat out lie by OP mixed with a misleading comparison.

3. racism was resolved in socialist nations, take paul robeson complimenting the soviet union for being the most forward nation, he even enlisted his son in a soviet school. the exploitation of nations ceased as well.

tl;dr: OP is full of shit
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it's OP

Yeah and they are more queer and cancerouse than me.

What class to your parents define themselves as?

oh wait, it's an anarchist

nvm then, waste of time, just line them up in front of the wall

Dialectics tells us that nothing in the world is eternal, everything in the world is transient and mutable; nature changes, society changes, habits and customs change, conceptions of justice change, truth itself changes — that is why dialectics regards everything critically; that is why it denies the existence of a once-and-for-all established truth. Consequently, it also repudiates abstract "dogmatic propositions, which, once discovered, had merely to be learned by heart" (see F. Engels, Ludwig Feuerbach). 3

Metaphysics, however, tells us something altogether different. From its standpoint the world is something eternal and immutable (see F. Engels, Anti-Duhring), it has been once and for all determined by someone or something — that is why the metaphysicians always have "eternal justice" or "immutable truth" on their lips.
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let's hope they shovel you or something for being such a stupid faggot bitch, even if they do it for the wrong reasons

Do you actually work, or just live with your parents?

typical anarchists, confusing education and intelligence with class status

kys

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great taste, user

Do you even hear yourself?

Oh! Sorry! My mistake! I thought you were of the bourgie "my dad doesn't care about me" kids, when you are of the "everyone around me is an idiot, so I'll be edgy instead".

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It's ok man. Everyone is an idiot anyway.

They didn't?

Depends on how you define it. If you say full rights are the same rights as everyone else, then by definition if you take away everyone's free speech then all have a right to equally free speech.

Yes, well, in modern capitalism women have the same freedom to become CEOs and so on as men.

See? Gender Equality.

The fact that you and I will never be CEOs has nothing to do with it.

Right, which is exactly my point: if you move around the goalposts of what constitutes freedom within your society then you can claim that anything is progress.

The reality is that Russian and Slavic women in general had substantially more personal and economic freedom than their Western counterparts.

It won't backfire because they're not neocons. Far right or far left, kick them out after, and actually make it up to them by "freeing the shit out of their country"

Turn the spigot the opposite way. Blast it, deny refugees, rebuild what the 'cons blew up 30 years ago. Holy Space War era begins.
(hell, steal it! Iraq's welfare system was way more efficient)
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also I notice a distinct lack of post-OP flagfagging

At least goffiks make fine music.

My idea of what communism would be is substantially different to any system which has been attempted previously. Many people here would probably argue about whether or not it really meets all the requirements of being communism. I only call it that for lack of a better word.

Now please stop making semantic arguments and start thinking about actual facts in the real world.

Socialist now universally condemn what happened in the 20th century, which is why we have "movements" like Occupy and Black Lives Matter than make no concrete proposals about policy. Every socialist is waiting for "their" next leader – this is why there hasn't been a new socialist government since the fall of the Soviet Union.

By that logic we should use Christian socialism because there re more practioneers. Its hard to see religious people commit to a secular ideology, but remember it would be impossible to imagine religious people would commit to an ideology that's built.on a different religion.

It doesn't matter anyway. Unless people are sensible and class conscious, if religion has that significant on an impact the movement will be cucked by religious porkies like the Pope or the priests who will want to maintain their muh privileged position. There is a reason why early revolutionaries thought that change and religion were irreconcilable.

Islam has no clergy FYI. The religion itself was arguably a movement against the clergies and hierarchies which developed in Judaism and Christianity to revive the original religion.

Tell that to Iran and Saudi Arabia and Iraq you fuck.

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