Hasidic Jews

How does a socialist or communist society deal with these guys? I live near Monsey, NY where Hasidics and Haredis have succeeded in sucking our welfare system dry. They don't work, they just study the Talmud all day, and since they refuse state marriage (only religious marriages) their wives are literally labeled as single mothers and given a ton of welfare for their 8+ children.

Not to mention some sects (Lubavitch and Breslov in particular) are raging Zionists who openly call for Palestinian genocide.

Their values are completely incompatible with socialism of any type. They're also patriarchal as fuck so I don't know how SJWs would justify them. Assuming the US, or at least the state of NY, becomes socialist: how do we dismantle their communities and phase our their backwards culture?

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Don't give them special muh privileges, make any welfare system take cohabitation into account, create a culture with values that does not mesh well with them and allow them to leave if they so wish.

UBI so they can live. We're headed to FALC, who cares?

What existing program does that?

Not working is a integral part of communism, as is free association.

what so there are no billionaires left in USA?
you should update wikipedia then.
unless you are trying to argue in the most unintelligible way possible that your welfare system sucks.

New York welfare.

Be specific, give me the name of the program

you fact checking or just a lumpen with 8 kids?

We should abandon welfare once workers own the means of production. Let them work to feed their own kids or eat on the mercy of others.

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What about the disabled who can't just work in a factory?

"Calling for genocide" is a pretty serious charge there, buddy. I wouldn't be spewing out something that extreme willy-nilly, especially without evidence.

I'm sure we can find something for most of them to do. If not, the community will probably take care of them.

Ancap?

nydailynews.com/new-york/hasidic-neighborhood-b-klyn-top-beneficiary-section-8-article-1.2639120

yes, but with worker control of the means of production and no private property.

Well, since you are a NY Communist, it is your duty to analyze the situation of labour, material conditions, different political groups and the possibilities of organization and revolution in general in your context. So, it is you and the rest of the Communist in New York, organized in the Party to tell us, the rest of the world, what is the revolutionary way in your city.

So yeah, you have work to do, comrade.

You were acting like these mothers were getting hella cash from the government and you link to me an article about…Section 8 housing vouchers?

C'mon now

There are records of this.

youtube.com/watch?v=CVF5DhB1R_w

Im sorry but pic related is just too fitting.

Ban religious schools. Educate the children, discourage superstition. If there can't be UBI, make welfare take co-habitation into account, not just marriage.

Anita is Armenian.

Its also a joke

Would you do the same for religious Muslims, such as the ones in Europe?

Yes. Live in europe, the muslims school suck ass and the mildly christian schools sabotage their education with religion. I can know, I went exclusively to christian schools of various severity.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.
t. Marx

That's not going to sit over well with Muslims who join communist movements because they insist Islam and communism are compatible.

Well they are fucking retarded in my opinion.

Well, there is an "indigenist" party in France which is basically an Islamo-communist party.

I guess I'll just have to Stalin my way up to the top after the revolution then.

What's wrong with mixing communism and religion?

Religion is subservience to a higher power, it is designed from its roots up to make a slave if the religious.

Have you considered that it might be appropriate to use threats of violence and brandish weaponry in order to cajole them into performing their duty the the proletarian?


Doesn't have to be digging ditches or laying foundation, but definitely find them a job because until God can pay the bills and put some fucking resources into the economy, you gotta do that Talmudic study on your off time.

I promise I'm trying to be as dialectial as possible and not letting my personal past experiences with these rude ass wizards and their retrograde worldview cloud my judgement in the slightest.

I couldn't name the specif program either but this happens in Utah as well with those FLDS freaks,

There is no need for UBI, since it would desensitize our political opposition form giving their labor and lives for the greater good of workers collective.

We do need UBI if due to automation part of our population become unemployable in conventional jobs.

It also make sure there is no forced labour under threat of starvation.

Where does the money for UBI come from?

He who does not work does not eat. NEETS included

People who work, obviously. You are giving part of the population free money/stuff.

Can you be more specific here, OP?

Which is a good thing as they are decolonizing their minds from the dominant capitalist/liberal ideology by living on the fringes of society and dedicating themselves to meaningful tradition instead.

Nothing wrong with this. Muslims in European ghettos also have large families and yet their family practices are viewed as "subversive" and "anti-colonial" by the modern left. Plus, for both groups large families aren't just about religion but about survival of the culture and race (which colonialism/imperialism have tried to wipe out for centuries).

No they don't. It is entirely against Jewish Law to kill an innocent person. In fact, the Talmud puts a huge emphasis on the sanctity of human life above everything else. The only Palestinians they want to see dead are the ones who have attacked or killed other Jews, which is really no different than whites in California wanting to see Latino gang members gone if those gangbangers in question have hurt them.


Again, so are Muslims, yet we give Muslims a free pass on account that their patriarchal practices have a lot to do with the survival of their culture against western hegemony. Why can't we say the same about orthodox Jews?

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When you know exactly how it's composed, you know who is singing the tune and why.

tl;dr: go back to Holla Forums. We get that you're just smart enough to literally copy and paste a narrative, change up a few parts, and try to push it in a different package in order to try and subsume a different group. We're not your kind. You won't integrate us in this fashion. We don't play ball with Nazis just because you can fucking code switch a little bit.

The difference is that Muslims have a very bloody past of being colonized and repressed by imperialist powers. The burkini ban is part of it. Therefore, Islam has the POTENTIAL to be a revolutionary force given the history of Muslims oppressed under colonial/imperialist Western powers.

Judaism has no such history.

But you should ask yourself why [ingroup] should pay for [outgroup] is [ingroup] gets not benefit from it.

We don't get any benefit from subsidizing "street" culture of black youth, especially since political rap is practically dead and most of it is nothing more than consumerist.

All that [outgroup] is doing is utilizing a set of loopholes that [category of elites] set into place in order to amass resources in order to use to exploit [broad grouping]. The practice is not uncommon, and has been carried out by [outgroup], [outgroup], [ingroup], and even [ingroup] from time to time.

It isn't just enough to code switch so that you [noun] some [verbs], the rhythm of your [rhetoric] demonstrates who you are just as much as the [diction].

Basically you have all the cadence of an alt-right nazi and it bleeds through your attempt to code switch. Your argument isn't even good, just one that other people don't know how to react to.

when the revolution comes they are the first ones in the gulag.

they are a more dangerous isis, since they are "theocratic backwards anti-revolutionaries" but with a human face

you fucking serious? The jews where balls deep in the communist uprisings in 20th century europe. Granted, they where mostly secular, but you made no such distinction.
Also claiming jews have no history of being oppressed by western imperialist powers.. I honestly don't know what to say to that, it's just such an amazingly retarded claim.

You know there are Mizrachi Hasids too, right?

youtube.com/watch?v=3plO343bID8

Where are the women?

In Islam, poverty is considered a disgrace.
In Judaism, poverty is considered punishment for not working hard enough.

In Islam, nothing is mandatory and all commandments are just virtue ethics to bring you closer to God.
In Judaism, failure to perform commandments or deliberately breaking a commandment (i.e. working on the sabbath) is punishable by death.

In Islam, rapists are killed.
In Judaism, rapists marry their victims.

In Islam, all are equal.
In Judaism, Jews are racially superior.

yeah sure

FTFY

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FYI, your explanation is very New Atheist-y. There isn't a single rabbi today who would advocate killing someone who works on the Sabbath just like how most imams condemn punishment for apostasy.

This has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the point the person i responded to was making. We can argue what religion is best synthesized with socialism, but honestly the answer is none. They are both shit.
I'm talking about the historical fact that jews have been important figures in actual historical class struggle.
Marx himself had a Jewish father, Rosa Luxemburg and Trotsky where both jews, Lenin had jewish ancestry, Bel Kun and almost the entire leadership of Hungarian Soviet Republic where of jewish ancestry. Eugen Levine, Kurt Eisner, the bundists and a shit ton of others.

Almost forgot by favorite, Fanny Kaplan.

Also: Martin Buber, Walter Benjamin, Erich Fromm, all commie Jews.

Saged, but to answer your question:

It doesn't matter if they are hasidic jews or blacks or an entire neighborhood of Jim Carrey clones all dressed as the Grinch.

Nobody should have to work if they don't want to, and everybody should be given what they need if the community can spare it (within reason, of course).

However, if there's ever a shortage of anything, those who have been working will get served first, and those who have been lazing around will get served last. If there wasn't enough for those getting served last, they will have to divide up the rest between themselves to make due, or go without it.

That way, the incentive exists when the community needs it to.

no, we are discussing jews and the socialist movement, Holla Forums are discussing the jewish socialist movement. ..It's different.

Fun fact: crime is virtually non-existent in Kiryas Joel and other Hasidic communities.

Shouldnt their marriage be labelled as a live in marriage? Not that hard to solve.