What do you say, Holla Forums? Only we can defeat fascism, together

What do you say, Holla Forums? Only we can defeat fascism, together.

It's not too late to convert.

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You are fascists.

Fascism goes perfectly with capitalism.
you're on the wrong side.

scratch a libertarian, find a fascist

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So anCaps tell me
When moving into anarcho captilasim what will you do with the billionaires that already exists among us and the 1% ?

You will you let them have their billions or not ?
How you would stop them from being a neo-lords ?

CNN-tier propaganda.

Libertarianism is a big boat. Plenty of room within it to make the argument that their wealth is ill-gotten. Take a look at the crony-ism of Elon Musk and the tax dollars he siphons from all of us in his endeavors.

I don't like the idea of one individual owning huge parts of the land. How can we restrict that in AnCapistan?

unless that class is being threatened by work- i mean big government, of course.

fee.org/resources/the-economic-policy-of-the-nazis/

How so ?
even if you denied them the governmental bonds and tax evaders "remember money is still here and could be used to bribe the investigators " benefits and money they will still have a huge amount of money to rule a nation
Any plans to deal with this ? or you see that they earned their dollars

Is that why they made the extermination of Soviet socialism the reason of their existence while allying themselves with that "emergency makeshift", as Mises called, that was Mussolini? Something doesn't sum up here, but desperate damage control rarely does.

Given the praise that Fascists received from Roosevelt, Churchill and Mises you can say that all shades of liberalism support Fascism as long as it's not working against their class interests, as the Nazis did by preaching revanchism.

Restrict the government's ability to create debt, in that way it simply can't afford to do as much as it currently does in favor of the capitalist class. Fed policy and corporate bailouts are redistribution to the upper classes from the lower class.

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Is he contradicting himself?

Before and after.

Nope, just saving face after Fascism became unpopular among liberal elites with the ascent of the Nazis.


Important to point out that when he wrote that, Italy was the only bastion of Fascism, and during the years where Mussolini adopted a laissez faire economic police (up until the mid 20's) he was a proto-Pinochet the entire west liberal world loved, not only lolberds.

fascism is less sustainable than your "anarchist by name, statist when convenient" capitalism, so no, i'd rather ally with the fascists

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The only thing a fascist would agree with you on is that rights are a spook and then kill the commie. That's not a good move.

A libertarian would defend your right to life by any argument. The god argument even.

This only counter the keynesians capitalism "safe locks " you can't battle credit card dept like this in anarchy

Wealth redistribution is a dangerous move and you know that if you read any economic book and the method of the redistribution with out a gov will be easier to fall into corruption

Why not simply give the working class the fruit of their labor ?
I mean the LTV still stand strongly you know

Unless I had no money.

No don't you understand user? Rich people will donate large sums of money without the incentive of a tax break. There will be no more poverty under anarcho-crapitalism

i just assume the billionaires will have their enclaves

some of them might be generous enough to let us little guys live on their property :)

My main problem with libertarians is not "you are mean and evil ;_: "it is that philosophically and theoretically they so fucking weak

LTV is bunk. Without a central bank, or unrestricted currency, the government would not be able to issue as much debt. There'd be less for the rich to manipulate in their favor.

Value has no meaning without life. Money only represents value. So by defending your right to life, libertarians are expressing your potential for realizing your monetary value.

How are we going to defeat fascism with the NAP?

You guys will either never have any power to change anything, or give up and turn fascist yourselves.

What does this even mean. Liberal democracy has a thin tradition? Relatively free countries are not more prosperous?

Ancapism is only a subset of libertarianism.

ITT triggered gommies.

Libertarians are going into the oven right after the Marxists

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By providing arguments in opposition; free trade and individualism.

Thanks for giving us the time to flee, bra

Defeating class collaborationists.

Anyways what is your argument against the LTV? I have yet to see any writing of value countering it :^)

No you guys have a weak definition of the the following things :
The state
The ethical
The capital
Value
Labor Value
Freedom
Equality

And you don't understand the relationship between "capital S : State" and privet property and how the Hegelian sense of the state is far far condoning of privet property

You need to understand that capitalism is unethical by design and to let it be free with out a body of power to watch for it is fucking stupid

by class collaborating

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Non of you milk drinkers even understand what fascism is. You just see it as the boogeyman in your idealized commie narrative. The truth is, throughout history it has always been the week and the parasites that feared fascism the most.

Still rings true to this day.


Then you're no true Nazi.

Truth is, fascists have daddy issues.

60% of the Falange died while winning the war and just look at the Italian army's performance in WW2

With good reason.


Tell that to the industrialists that allied with Hitler

Libertarianism is worse than fascism. At least in fascism, the power of private property is restricted for the good of the race/nation/whatever.

Libertarianism gives capitalists complete authority and tells us we are "NAP violating rapists" if we don't like it.

We should deconstruct this meme.

Fascistsfags tell me
Is fascism ethical ?

You think you can use logic and reason against fascists?

Even if you could, capitalist arguments are not the way to go about it - they already advocate for the private ownership of the means of production!

libretardians are literally just confused fascists, fuck off.

Have you somehow failed to realize that fascists don't care about arguments, free trade, or individualism? Individualism is seen as the road to fun stuff, and free trade is the means by which Jewish global capitalists strip the Volk of their jobs and destroy their place in the hierarchy. Political freedom is just not something that they understand or see as desirable. You are very unlikely to logically convince someone to stop being a fascist through logical argument.

National Socialists are not Fascists

Fascists are mongrels who only care about what benefits the State

*adjusts bowtie*

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Warning sides of fascism:

REFUSAL TO READ!

the truth is that anyone who fears "degeneracy" and has group think tendencies is close-minded, which is a major sign of low iq (ie the weakness you despise)

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How are class struggles not group think?

You identify with an oppressed class and wish to overthrow the dominant class. Marxism is group think

With the anti-collaborationist.

I just fear the total state. Fascism is bureaucracy. Call it what you want, but in essence; it is the DMV.

The majority that are susceptible to full blown fascism are just anti-illegal immigrants and pro-protectionism. Libertarianism can sway them to paleoconservativism.

i dont though

You don't identify with a class, you are that class. It is a material relationship, not an opinion. We could think all we want about it, but at the end of the day the real world and class dichotomy doesn't change.

You want to know what else is the sign of low IQ? Lack of basic self awareness.

No arguments, unity brother. Can you use the LTV to argue in favor of the right to life?

Notice Rothbard's tie, in solidarity with the ancoms.

Libertarianism is dead

Most of the libertarians who supported Ron Paul grew out of their libertarian phase and either became Nazi or Fascist. They no longer support an unregulated free market that values profit over people. They can't abide an open border that will only hasten the destruction of their culture
They used your ideology as a stepping stone to something better


You don't identify with a race, you are that race.

Sorry, I'm not seeing how racial awareness is "group think" while class struggles are not

i dont. i never said i did. you're making a ton of assumptions. i come to this board instead of pol because im not a trump supporter/fascist.

This is the trademark damage control. It basically means "I'm taking a beating, but I can just try to act obnoxious and annoy them instead" - if you even consider this a good strategy you shouldn't be raiding shit.

Why does this board try to hide the "Socialism" part of Not Socialism?

Nat Soc becomes "Nazi"

The flag is called Nazi instead of NSDAP or Not Socialist

What gives?

end yourself

Is this board chock full of shitfucking retards or something?

Because the group think surrounds what you call "racial awareness." You all fail to understand that the biology of a human does not determine anything in - or even have much to do with - politics, the economy, and society. What matters is the access and distribution of resources, which is fundamentally a political issue on the basis of how things are organized. It's called group think because it's not a conclusion based on the reality of the situation. Race is not issue with world today, or has it ever been.


Because Not Socialism was NOT SOCIALISM, nor will it ever be. Fascism (as not socialism necessarily is) has always developed as a reaction to socialist develops - the left fought it Italy, Germany, and Japan before their respective right-wing revolutions occurred.
You are the regressive force, and we are the progressive force. Stop calling yourselves socialists.

Most are just caught up in what's going on in Europe.

That's some pure ideology right there. If marxist conceptions were what really mattered, people would act as marxism predicts them to do.

Marxian class only matters in marxism, it's insular, it doesn't describe a broader reality of how humans actually are.


It's called wishfull thinking.

Does IQ determine anything?
If yes, then race does too. If no, then you Marxist aren't allowed to use IQ as an ad-hominem against your opponents


Nat Soc had a lot of socialist beliefs built into it. And Nat Soc is not Fascism, also Nat Soc was a reaction to communism not socialism

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Republics and capitalism are the only true ways to go. Communism has never worked, and never will. Stay mad, bitches.

And they threw said socialists under the bus during the Night of the Long Knives.

wew lad.

just fuck off already you smug liberal

im not a marxist. i just think it's funny that you rail against weakness when racism and social conservatism correlate strongly with low iq. if you ever started a substantial fascist movement, it would be dominated by weak people railing against weak people. kinda ironic.

I just read Atlas Shrugged and now I have seen the truth.

The only way forward is laissez-faire, unregulated free market capitalism, individualism, and free trade.

Stop shitposting even Ancaps started to distend them selves from her

The violence of the Röhm Putsch was against other members of the NSDAP (Sturmabteilung and Useful Idiotists)


Low IQ is not weakness. Blacks are low IQ but no one would consider them to be a weak race. People of low or average IQ are very necessary. You need janitors, postal workers, factory workers, etc.

All a country needs to be great is the loyalty and hard work of it's people. Intellectuals and their elitism is destructive and only serves to weaken nations by targeting it's average citizens and telling them they are less than others because they cannot grasp high level math or science, even though an average factory worker has provided more to his country and his people than 10 average intellectuals.

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then why do you follow an ideology that supports eugenics? i thought you wanted to get rid of darkies because they're all so stupid.

Romantic notions in order to hide all the bureaucracy and price fixings of a fascist economy.

A revolutionary right-wing movement that seeks to create an authoritarian, ultranationalist government that merges state and corporate power and works on behalf of the nation.

You give yourself too much credit. Fascists are another set of useful idiots at the disposal of the ruling class. They're set apart only by fashion sense and fondness for political terror.

The parasites have always been the one benefiting the most from fascism. The only reason it exists in the first place is to violently repress socialist movements and uphold capitalism.

Blacks belong with other Blacks. Nat Soc is about the preservation of your own race not the destruction of other races

And Blacks could be very useful if they're mental limitations were allowed to be recognized

AKA bolster state power by way of romantic notions of "the people and the nation" to trample the rights of the individual and his property.

That's hilarious. Rand was a collectivist by her own definition.

You're pretty fascist yourself with this Big Othering.

That's what communists and fascists have in common, everything is actually a plot by an over-arching conspiracy, the one dimensional thinking.

Historically speaking, fascists expanded property rights.

No it's the result of the dialectic between the economic forces and ideological superstructure of a society.

Those with wealth and power can greatly promote ideologies, and they're more likely to support those ideologies that don't threaten their positions, either out of a sense of genuine affection for the ideological movement, or realpolitik knowing that said movement opposes ideologies that do.

So it's even bigger, the actors have faded away into their bland otherness.


Which doesn't translate into everything actually being a plot of the eternal bourg.

imma need some sources there, papo.

Lolberts/ancraps do this too with the "big gubmint" boogeyman or how the black helicopters are coming to take your guns

Collectivism is inherently authoritarian and always leads to mass murder and genocide.

Individualism and free market capitalism has never killed anyone.

Ancaps aren't much different either in their logic, just more extreme, Stefan Molyneux has more of this narcissistic ideological cancer in every fiber of his being than whatever nazi or communist I have ever come across.

Formalized ideology seems to require such a concept. Watered down versions are "globalism" and "neo-liberalism", words that position the reality of today as a single, plotting opponent that is everything we can think of today, but nothing in particular.

It's more like the internal logic that governs the behavior of the actors.
Yes. That was my point.

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ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

"big gubmint"

Marxian machine men, now we're going even further.

If this was true, then marxists would have enormous predictive power, like hacking humanities source code. Marxists don't have this predictive power, nor do they have any evidence or methods of falsifiability. It's just "logic", which isn't made correct by being to frame everything into it.

Also, youtu.be/Ic4Cq2-3QZc

Privatization says nothing about property rights. Would a person have been able to house a bunch of Jews, and would the Nazi government respect his rights as owner? Of course not.

Holy shit, read a fucking book

A small infraction in what was an overall increase of property rights through privatization, deregulation and the crushing of unions.

Libertarianism and ANCAP and communism are basically the same thing.

It does have a degree of predictive power, but only in determining the general behavior of dialectical process and the contradictions that will lead to its conclusion. This can be rather vague, as there's a potentially infinite number of variables that can shape how things unfold.

Basically twins, except for their regards to property. No big deal.

I'd say lolberts and Nazis share far more similarities than lolberts and communists.

Like I said, it only applies to it's self. It doesn't have a shred of the evidence, falsifiability or predictive power that is needed to be a candidate for a theory with the pretensions that dialectics has.

It is there to tie marxism together, that's what marx did, borrowing from other philosophers to tie together an internal logic for his ideology. You make the same fault, you only give reference to the internal logic of marxism.

you guys are the first to run to fascists for help in case the spooky scary socialists take a slight bit of power even if it's in a democratic country

ever gone to Holla Forums ?

Cool meme, but no ideology or philosophy is falsifiable.

Also, which aspect of Marxist logic are you taking issue with, exactly, and why do you think it only applies to the internal logic of Marxism?

Forced. Don't let property norms get in the way of an alliance in the wake of fascism.

It's not a problem of dogma, it's just a historical fact that these kinds of people always turn to fascism if it gets popular. These days lolberts meme about le helicopter rides and "physical removal"

Give me any reason to believe in dialectics, that doesn't reference back to dialectics.

Lolbertism and fascism operate on the same logic.

That conflict and inequity in our society is caused by a malignant, unnatural outside force disrupting the harmonious natural order. They just have different names.

For lolberts, the natural order is the capitalist free market, and the corrupting force is government intervention, unions, and anything else perceived to threaten the natural flow of the market. For fascists, the natural order is organic, homogenous national community and the corrupting force is foreigners and internationalists.

Communists don't believe in any kind of "natural order" and, consequently, any kind of force that could corrupt it. We believe that the fundamental logic of the system itself is at fault for the conflict and inequity in our society, and seek to form a new order where those issues and resolved.

Give me any reason to believe in positivist causal logic that doesn't reflect back on positivist causal logic.

Because predictive power.

Your turn.

Yes you do.

Prove that it has predictive power better than dialectics.

Did the causal logic of bourgeois economists predict the 2008 financial collapse?

I don't see how the greentext and your comment correlates.

I could give you every piece of scientific research that has allowed us to predict the universe, our biology, geology and pretty much every aspect of our world, but I won't because you get the point.


Calling your order, "system" doesn't change the fundamental concept.

Oh?

First, we're talking in the context of social organization, not scientific research. Two entirely different animals.

Second, are you sure no scientist has ever used dialectical logic? As I recall, Soviet scientists were taught dialectical thinking, and they beat the Americans at every step in the space race save the moon landing.

Okay we think the order is flawed at its basic, fundamental logic and should be altered to a new order.

I still don't see how that makes us believe in a natural order.

libertarians who aren't closet racists usually call themselves anarchists or anarcho-capitalists.

Really fucking spooky. Why should I give a shit about my place of origin, especially when it's not something I choose?

Oh hey guiz my name's Aristotle I like being wise and good…. Arete! lolz!

And you can't even define it

So everyone is dum except you xDDD totes an original position

No such thing

I respect culture and aesthetics. I am not a fascist.

If I thought you knew the truth, I'd be a fascist wouldn't I? Yet another instance of you sucking your own dick.

Read Hegel

That's really gay. Like, really gay.

And you replace it with stupid pagan ideology

I want you to be purified off this earth at this point

*Sigh*

t. fascist

Slave Moralism reaching critical levels.