What caused the alt-rights rise and is there anything the left can do to replicate it?

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Hi Holla Forums, no one takes the alt-right seriously, its just a fad on the internet.

Get more involved in GamerGate?

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The alt-right is a meme or political invention. The actual groups you're talking about aren't particularly tied together and have different beliefs at many stages. Even describing them as 'right-wing' is incorrect because many of them are simply dissatisfied with the current left. That would include most of the people here obviously.

The progressive left gave birth to the alt-right, whereas the alt-right tries to make justifications for this shitty judeo-christian capitalist culture that we live in, the progressive left points out everything wrong it and generally hate free markets, seeking the power of the state to whip their ideology into action.

The reason we are so irrelevant however, is because we're still at the end of a red scare thanks to Stalinist and in turn, western propaganda. The only way to win back our strength, is to engage with the progressive left and seek about radicalizing them. When you go down the rabbit hole of feminism and BLM, you see a deep disgust for free market policies. The most well read faction of the progressive left, is generally anti-capitalist, the problem is, they are still suffering from the red scare and the only people vocal about the far left, are 60 year old idiot Leninists who only get TV time when Fox News needs to make fun of them.

Therefore, the only thing we can do to replicate it, is to embrace Anarchist Socialist ideologies and offer bot our solutions and our sympathies to the progressive Left, while making a distinction between us and State Capitalists.

uh, no. large portions of the alt right hate capitalism, "judeo-christianity" and modern culture/

A lot of them fetishise the pagans actually.

aren't you the nigger who stuttered his way through the metokur debate

yes, the left has to start using more codified language and you have to dumb down your message a lot. leftypol isn't going to gain traction by telling people to read, leftypol needs low brow cut away commentary youtubers to make snarky and ""rational"" reply videos to right wingers and videos explaining SJW ideas

It was the SJWs. Nothing else. If you have some retards spouting shit like "LOL GUIZE U CANT BE RACIST AND SEXSIST TOWARDS WHITE MALES XDDD" of course you'll trigger a response. Progressive stack was a mistake.

there are right wing intellectuals but unfortunately the republican party is dominated by anti-intellectualism and the alt-right is an extreme manifestation of this.

what are you smoking?

Not really. They aren't opposed to private property in the socialist sense, wage labor, exploitation of workers, and so on. They are the same as libertarians or ancaps, except instead of crony capitalism it's Jewish globalist capitalism, and instead of "true" capitalism being the fix, it's heroic capitalism or capitalism with Aryan values. There is no real explanation for why this will be an improvement aside from "muh hierarchy, da joos, Aryan values" and so on, despite the fact that the ruling class will continue to act in their class interest, but you can't expect much from them.

the fact it addresses grievances not caused by class or race but pseudo-hierarchies based on looks, social skill, and some other shit everyone pretends isn't real, and that it capitalizes on a feeling of "non-belonging" that, it claims, can only be fixed by restoring an imaginary past.

remove SJWs

Disagree with this.

I have this feeling that most alt-Righters were, at one point or another, people who really trusted the economic processes to compesate them and give them a prosperity they thought they deserved but, once realising this wasn't going to be the case, became obsessed with the idea that these inherently fair economic processes were corrupted and had to be purified by force.

It's the result of capitalism over-selling the DIY, self-started, enterpreneur ethic after a bunch of nerds became billionaires and then collapsing like 4 years later.

Shouldn't you have left by now?

your question is wrong, the entire premise is
you wont get anywhere, ever

Alt-right is a meme itself with political implication.
just like a meme, its a trend thing.

99% of people who consider themselves alt-right are fat white kids with no political or historical knowlage whatsoever.
as such alt-right can't survive outside of their eco chamber, they always get btfo outside of their torture chamber and sometimes inside of it when an outsider dare to come to their shit hole, they respont to arguments with ad hominem attack, they lie to each other and to themselves, its a full blown circlejerk/brainwashing

the 1% left are actual stormfags, while not being anymore knowledgeable than the average alt-right are way more resolved in their beliefs.
its not a trend to them and they most likely wont grow out of it.
in the en the Alt-right movement will stall just like the fedora tipping Activism and everything will be back to what it used to

This is where your analysis is off the mark.
The progressive "left" are actually engaging in the defense of the status quo the vast majority of the time, particularly in economics, and when they're edging against the mainstream in some question it's always some manufactured non-issue like which toilet a sub 0.0x% of the population ought to be using.

the only real answer ITT

that guy is too white in the picture

Un(der)employed young men.

This. They just want "capitalism with an anti-racist, feminist, LGBTQIA-friendly face".

The problem's not a skyrocketing wealth divide, the problem is that not enough women and minorities (ethnic and sexual) are benefiting

It's called the LGBT movement

Because they see real human behaviour instead of thinking spooks like "neoliberalism" are behind everything.

What if people have been racist for thousands of years.. wouldn't it be more logically to see them in that frame, then as the result of a failed, vague boogeyman ideology?

Marxism is thought openly in universities, while you get thrown out of them for making as much as a racist joke.

You people always have to be the loser, even when you're not. It's like a necessary condition of leftism.

Replication of the alt-right internet boom would result in an equally autistic malicious "alt-left".

Now let me go punch myself in the face, because "alt-left" That's twice! Fuck! is cancerous thinking that just ends up as quasi-left wing Holla Forums.

it isnt though. petty social justice movements and political correctness arent marxism.

i guess hillary clinton understands it better

this is a reality. we live in a capitalist world.

It is. Actual, Karl Marx, not just sjw'ism. The people here who actually went to university to be indoctrinated by the bourgoise can confirm this.

She's a sociopath who climbed to the top of the greasy pole, so you could probably say that she does.

We don't live in -ist world. Drop the map thinking and look at the territority for once.

They can "confirm" because a) their teachers are clueless SJW, which is common in burgerland or b) they are already indoctrinated against Marxism. Karl himself was opposed to politics like anti-racist movements in his time.

He is looking at the territory, faggot.

I reckon embrace egoism, reject communism, and criticise both far left and far right wing policies.

The alt-right, like feminism, will be hijacked by its fanatics, and will be the new target for a lot of those internet personalities.

When people see that they're the equivalent of SJWs, more people will move to the centre.

The best humour is taboo. Subversive. Forbidden.

Nothing leftists think is forbidden. Hate racism? Already mainstream. Hate white people? Merkel gotchu covered fam. Love internationalism? So do the big corporations that run the media, they love importing scabs. Love jews? Jews are seen as a holy race incapable of doing wrong. Think Hitler was a bad guy and the Russians were heroes? That's the official story of WW2. Etc.

You can't be funny when you're boring and unoriginal and mainstream. Holla Forums and groups like them are funny because they attack taboo material and say things you shouldn't say.

Leftists just parrot what the international kike capitalists want said. You can't be funny doing that.

Hi, welcome to our board, I hope you have enjoyed your first five minutes outside of your torture chamber.
Merkel is a right wing Christian conservative that constantly pushes for austerity.
That's not what internationalism means. If you think a capitalist economy can work with closed borders, you need some very basic lessons on economics.
Absolute bullshit, much of the modern far right loves Jews and sees the left as anti-semitic. Even liberals know that Israel is an apartheid state.
The fact that millions of people still alive today have relatives killed by the Axis powers is also a little bit pertinent.

It's not really like that.

Leftists don't really have humor anymore, it's always something like "it's the current year idiots" or "can you believe those fuckfaces actually believe that". There's only laughing at, as a form of derision, there isn't any humor, there are no jokes.

leftists != liberals

But that's exactly it. No political humour they attempt will be anything more than that because of their current position. The best they can hope for is to wait for the right wing to take power, and if they don't get culled by RWDS then they can be the funny ones.

All the examples I mentioned are shit that Holla Forums agrees with fervently, are you saying Holla Forums are liberals rather than leftists? And can you find me a leftist group that doesn't agree with all that crap?

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yes

Alt-right is popular because the barrier of entry is so low. Want to be alt-right? There's no philosophy or economic theory you have to read about. It's so dumbed down that you can learn everything through pepe memes and low-brow ranters on youtube. It's all advanced memery.

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And traps. The alt-right loves it's traps.

What the fuck are you talking about, they are all about being anti establishment and contrarian to the extreme.

This pretty much. Conservatism is the default ideology for most people because it's so familiar and easy to understand to them.

alt right is the logical post-politics of a corporatist society. they are the controllable "anti-establishment" because they accept IdPol, but nativists, believe in some level of white supremacy and the American system now is all about hiding that it is built on the inequality of constructed ethno-racial subgroups that would fight against each other.
alt right promotes and earlier post-1945 american stage of state corporatism promising welfare to whites only thus protecting the power of the ruling class with layers of infighting proletariat.
so while they masquerade as anti-establishment, they just want a different kind of exploitation. there is the daily experience of oppression and how power works in America (and in an increasingly americanized Europe too). what they do is internalizing these classcucked power structures while presenting themselves as anti-establishment by simply being direct about its existence.
it is not a social revolt though, its just a new phase of late capitalist self-approving ideology that can get young masses to produce more for less in the end.

There is no future for politics in the internet age.
Alt-right is a bunch of angsty white kids making memes on the internet. Alt-left is a bunch of depressed white kids making memes on the internet to counter alt-right memes.

The only actual new political force is being driven by Facebooking baby-boomers, playing the good old-fashioned racist/nativist card while being generously funded by corporate donors like the useful idiots they are.

The Left in general? Absolutely. Spoonfeeding and dumbing down things specifically in Holla Forums? I'm more conflicted. That kind of behavior tend to turn imageboards way more shittier.

Do you want underage edgy teens meme-ifying all of leftism?
Yeah me neither

The left is retarded and useless. They've spent the last 20 years fucking things up by implementing their ideals but not providing sustainable solutions to the glaring problems faced by most countries in the first world.

Stop being so fucking useless and figure out how the world actually works.

What you're referencing as "the left", aren't "left", they're capitalist sell-outs. They have more in common with the alt-right (they both view the state the same way, and both see the only solutions in the dichotomy of "it's either free market everything or tyrannical fascism!", just taking different sides on the manufactured issue) than they ever did socialists or people working towards communism.

lurk moar, faggot. Nobody here thinks that. Reparations and self-flagellation are useless.
Internationalism? Mostly. Also, Internationalism =/= glabalism, which is the cancer you are familiar with, distressed over, and referring to in you indictment of Holla Forums
HAH! Holla Forums is incredibly critical of israel, we just don't hold jews to be global puppet masters the day they pop out their mothers' cooch.
Well, that's one you've got right. Guess you've "BTFO'd" us leftists once and for all

Memes and anime grillz.

Yep. You don't have to any solutions or unique or nuanced opinions for anything you see as a problem.

lmao the left (particularly in the Western nations) has been utterly decimated and powerless since at least the 1970s. What are you on about?

In fact, the big bad “lefty” orthodoxy you rightwingers tend to harp on about is nothing more than neoliberalism (a brand of it which just so happens to be a little nicer to women and minorities), which is, and was, a right-wing ideology.

Do you have any grasp of history? I don’t even mean a broad view of history; I mean just like the past twenty years of political developments.

yeah but you have to realize they've been influenced by mainstream media to think that democratic party and liberals = left-wing socialism
when in fact it's just liberal capitalism and social democracy at the very best (like the one B████ proposed)
people don't understand that socialism = workers own the means of production

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Yeah, right-wingers have much better production value than left-wingers on youtube. Just look at channels like Black Pigeon Speaks or Stefan Molyneux's channel.
People like Xexizy and LSR need to step it up.

There was a recent episode of Through the Wormhole which explained how terrorist groups gain power and how to change their minds. This can be used to fight the right and gain comrades. These are the methods described:

This could work. We can win.

Uploaded along with about 15 other books from the Historical Materialism series to >>>/freedu/

Outside of self-flattery, what else can the left do?

Does anyone even pay attention to the general trends in society? Every time I come to this board to read, everything you guys talk about seems completely detached from everythings that is going on. The exception is bitching about the alt right

I've literally seen that exact same meme in the bottom left describe Nazi

But in a democracy a low level of entry is dangerous because so many more people can hook on?

I understand Holla Forums has great ideas but if the common man can't get behind them how will your ideas be used to save the common man? (At least in a democracy)

The problem is, lots of people here understand theory enoghto have roughly a grasp on what's going on, but not enough to dumb it down without letting it open for strawmans.
Translating class warfare in rich vs poor is not the best way to put it, imo.

I just don't think class warfare outright is going to fly without idpol injecting itself into the ideology and that is what the altright is getting popular.

Just take a look at occupy wallstreet it fell through because racial groups started to argue over who was getting screwed over more by wall street. Idpol is intrinsically linked to any party now

Everything just looks so 1917 weimar right now.

granted that "alt-right" doesn't mean nothing specific, it addresses problems most of you guys pretend to not exist, because some leftists are as dogmatic as the most autistic lolbertarian and would rather keep their castle of card ideology intact instead of admitting that some things work only on paper.

I wonder how much stronger the left wing would be right now if only SJWs hadn't happened.

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I have never seen anything more wrong

You are right about this if you are only looking at the normies that unironically identify as alt-right. You know the general facebook, twitter plebs that read nothing but breitbart and the blaze or some shit.

But the more entrenched alt-righters are the ones that are going to break the right out of its american (read: neoconservative) anti-intellectual state. The older more established alt-righters can see through typical neocon tropes like "muh judeo-christian values", "muh conservative principles" and so on that we have been hearing about for 20 years now at least. Its really only a matter of time before the last tropes of neoconservatism are thrown into the trash by the younger generation of alt-righters, that is an unthinking attachment to capitalism and the general ignorance of conservatism as a whole.

I think the last true intersection between the new generation of right-wingers (the alt-right) and the ignorance of american conservatism is the "cultural marxism" meme. Once you look far enough into who made the term up it was actually some mid-western loser neocon in the 90s. This meme is the last dying breath of ignorant conservatism before the younger, disaffected right-wingers figure out that 1. it's a dumb meme 2. it was a neocon creation 3. there were actually writers in the frankfurt school that are more on their side than they are on the left (of course I'm talking about Adorno)

Was the Left EVER funny? It seems like the Colbert, Stewart era of leftist (inb4 Liberals aren't Leftists, whatever at the very least they are in the same spectrum of NOT Right-Wing) was the only time the Left was ever funny and apart from ridiculing cronyism (which surely is a good leftist thing to do) they also criticized, ridiculed and in my opinion ALIENATED an entire generation of White, Christian lower to working class people.

political correctness and sjw scum

remove sjw and go back to clasic liberalism

What?

classical liberalism is a right wing ideology

SJWs are just some silly leftist ideas taken to the extreme.

it's the left that had to rethink itself. like…from scratch.

to give you an example.

Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of
the Communists.
On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private
gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this
state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians,
and in public prostitution.
The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both
will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime
we plead guilty.
But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by
social.
And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which
you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The
Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter
the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.
The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents
and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the
25 Chapter II: Proletarians and Communists
family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple
articles of commerce and instruments of labour.
But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.
The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of
production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that
the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.
He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as
mere instruments of production.
For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the
community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the
Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce community of women; it has existed
almost from time immemorial.
Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal,
not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.
Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the
Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for
a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is selfevident
that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of
the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.
The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.
The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the
proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the
nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois
sense of the word.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

why mixing economic theory with far more personal, sort of private matters?

as if devising a fairer, working economic system is not hard enough.

also, tell me if a lot of SJWisms could not claim they have some roots in that excerpt.

not to mention a good lot of that excerpt is bullshit of the highest quality.

left wing market anarchism then

What do you mean by "closed borders" and "capitalism"?
Isolation usually ends spectacularly, ie in colonialist invasion, so to pin this solely on capitalism is a red herring.

give me that lesson

The alt-right is right-libertarianism having such a week ideology that they're forced to tolerate fascists that they supposedly despise.

*weak

Basically, the same thing that caused the tumblr SJWism's rise. Lots of dissatisfied young people with Internet and a lot of free time.

Alt-rightism lets you politicize your personal failings, and postulates that nothing but conviction and "free speech" matters, letting you never question your beliefs or challenge yourself as long as you complain loud enough. It rewards you with a sense of belonging to something bigger. It has an incredibly low entry bar - even libertarians have to read Rothbard or something if they don't want to look completely stupid - as an alt-rightist you only need to post memes and complain about blacks and not having a gf.

The Left blew its chance. It could have occupied the same niche of pandering to angry virgins, but the breaking point was around Project Chanology when anonymous got into media spotlight, and unfortunately Stormfront types flock to unmoderated places quicker than anarchists and the like.