So what do you think of Marvel Legacy Holla Forums ?

Alexander Young
Alexander Young

So what do you think of Marvel Legacy Holla Forums ?

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Jose Robinson
Jose Robinson

Nu-Marvel trash with slight nostalgia painted over it. It's trash. It's always trash. It doesn't have a chance to stop being trash till they get rid of all this current year bull.

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

spider-man
spider-man
spider-man
spider-man
spider-man
spider-man
x-men
x-men
x-men
x-men
x-men
x-men
squirrel girl
moon girl
more old man logan to cash in on the film
Burn it all. The fact that 1/5th of those are Spider-Man and another chunk are X-Men is bad enough, but then they keep the shitty comics and merge them with the cash grabs.

I'll read the Punisher/War Machine comic, but that's it.

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

Marvel learns nothing from their recent failures and continues to oversaturate the market with garbage

Bravo Marvel.

Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Rodriguez

literally everything that we already have before
They're gonna keep pushing Whor, Ms. Marvel Captain Marvel and Moon Girl until you fucking bigots buy their comics.

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

Whor

Judging from the solicits, she apparently won't be with us much longer.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

She better. I've been mislead by covers one too many times.

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

Gwenpoole is being made by Hastings and Gurihiru

Thank God. Gurihiru's cover looks better than the Legacy one.

This better not be a crossover with the Bendis Doom.

If it is, it better be pointing out that Bendis Doom is FUCKING STUPID.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

2nd pic
Didn't know Blade still sold at Marvel.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

Didn't she get blacked

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

art by Gurihiru
makes everything more palatable

I hope the new ANGR isn't bad, because the original ANGR was good.

Jonathan Reyes
Jonathan Reyes

Why don't you read some comics, bitch?

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Squirrel Girl is going to be featuring Galacta, daughter of Galactus

THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR. NO MORE

Luis Young
Luis Young

shitty retro homage covers
[temporary] legacy numbering
What's there to think about? That kinda speaks for itself.

believing covers

Camden Evans
Camden Evans

Whor getting canned ever
I fucking wish, but my gut tells me they are never going to end her. Her series sells better than all other Tumblr titles, and if they are unwillingly to terminate the others when the sales are too low, they are not gonna kill their most successful title.
I expect they will kill Jane Foster permanently but Whor will keep existing forever.

Julian Adams
Julian Adams

death comes to her
she says the hammer stops the cancer
death reveals it just stopped her feeling the pain of the cancer
she dies
but then lady death comes along and brings her back to life because grrrrl powar!
the cancer is also taken away so the single meaningful thing about her is absent
That's how I'd write it to piss people off the most.

Anthony Barnes
Anthony Barnes

Venom 155
Lethal Protector
I'll allow it.

Jace Young
Jace Young

brockfag
Stop any fucking time, friendo.

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

Are you aware that Moon Girl will be forced upon Venom titles and you gonna have to suffer through it

And this is exactly how Jason Aaron is going to write this.

Isaac Foster
Isaac Foster

Honestly, it could go either way. Now seems like the time of the harvest. They could either take the tears of angry fanboys or the tears of angry tumblerites. Signs point to the tumblerites considering Thor 3 coming out, but that's not certain.

No matter the result, Marvel wins in the short term, which is all they care about.

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

That user was making shit up, she's in one issue because of dinosaurs.

Nathan Torres
Nathan Torres

If I was a shill I would have pretended that the first issue of Venomverse wasn't complete trash. I'll storytime the good Venom stuff, and you can keep on bitching.

Grayson Myers
Grayson Myers

LOL

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

Blade
Looks like there still is someone at Marvel who remembers him. At least it's Hastings, so he probably will probably handle Blade well enough.

She-Hulk ruined
Squirrelgirl ruined
Black Cat ruined
Carrol Danvers ruined
Spider-Woman ruined
Misty Knight Ruined
Why do they have to do this!? It's like these faggots working on Squirrelgirl purposefully pick best characters, no matter how niche, and then try to ruin them. One would think that Galacta would be too obscure for them, but not even she can escape that horrible fate. They just have to pick every cute and entertaining character and ruin them.
Who's gonna be next? Firestar? Spitfire? Shanna the She-Devil? Satanna?

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

Where did you get that idea from? It looks more like Squirrel Girl herself is dressed up as Galactus, with a Silver Surfer squirrel herald.

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

Galacta
I thought this would be some lewd comic.

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

The fuck is wrong with Captain America's face in the background image? Stop tracing photographs you talentless shits.

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

Punisher is the new War Machine
Falcon's new costume looks awful.
Spider Gwen is fighting a female Venom, which is a plot straight out of a DeviantART fetish comic.
Whor is on her way out finally.
Too many Spider Man titles.
Shitty Netflix Luke Cage instead of fun 70's Luke Cage.
Bendis' Doom is still shit.
Marvel is still shilling out it's shitty token books instead of dumping them all together.
X-Men line up is a complete mess.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

<"Legacy will be the perfect jumping on point for new and old readers alike! A whole new Marvel line for everyone!"
it's the same exact books with the same creative teams no one wants now
They aren't even canceling low selling shit like Moon Cricket or Champions. I'm sure they'll add 4-5 more titles that'll spin out of "Secret Empire: Take that Trump!" but it's just going to be flooding the market with more shit no one wants like a Steve Rogers book all about his guilt over being white hydra, a Thor book where he's not as big of a hero as Clithoris, and a Iron Man book where he's either an AI or in a old armor so Bendis' pet has the cooler armor.

Evan Mitchell
Evan Mitchell

That's what super funny about this whole thing, they aren't creating a jumping off point for new readers, they're continuing what they're doing except they slapped on a "Legacy" sticker on the books.

David Hall
David Hall

Astonishing X-Men
Psylocke front and centre
Are they going to kill her again?

Spider-Gwen
venomized
This is what we have been waiting for, haven't we?

Venom
Lethal Protector
Yes, please.

Those are the only issues I am interested in.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

Wasn't Iceman mindfucked into becoming a gay?

Caleb Anderson
Caleb Anderson

Sounds like the death throes of a print company realizing that they fucked up, and while not fully committed to changing their ways, simply making a final half-hearted bid for your nostalgia bucks. I'm sure as shit not giving them the shekels to find out.

Alexander Parker
Alexander Parker

what even is this? another event? it isnt restart of continuity and most of these are starting in the middle. This is nothing

Michael Powell
Michael Powell

Marvel never reboots. They just paint over.

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

I don't like Marvel or capes really, is Gwenpool worth reading?

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Christopher Hall
Christopher Hall

Why aren't these bullshit decisions biting them in the ass

They just keep doing it and nothing happens

Goddamn it Trump was supposed to fix this

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

Marvel has a long history of financial trouble from making terrible decisions. But before they had to worry about people actually buying the comics. Since they only exist to promote the MCU these days, it doesn't matter how many millions they lose. As soon as interest in the movies dies down, I'm guessing Disney will put the comics "indefinite hiatus".

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

First, you're not their audience. In fact, full/co/, and even cuck/co/, don't even constitute what could be considered a minority to the Big Two. You've made the mistake of believing you're a majority because people agree with you on an image board.

Second, their actual audience is comic shops. They pre-order books at a discount in exchange for being unable to return them if they don't sell. Everything DC and Marvel does is to scam shops into buying more books. Even the SJW stuff is a scam, conning shops into thinking that by carrying those books they can expand their customer base into the college-aged demographic.

Third, Marvel Comics isn't suffering. They're in a business with low overhead. They don't need all of their books to sell 100,000 issues. They just need one comic to do well and the costs for all the others are covered. Anything sold after that point is gravy.

Lucas Bailey
Lucas Bailey

Comic shops don't want to buy Marvel stuff anymore, either, so clearly they are failing their audience, then.

Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

excited for a SJW series because venom
fuck off venomfag

only if writing by Hastings and art by Gurihiru then yes

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

Comic shops don't want to buy Marvel stuff anymore

The numbers tell a different story.

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

Marvel totally doesn't ship extra copies g-guys… Just give it up already, they're totally popular!!

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

oh shit son a nondescript pie chart
argument countered

Michael Thompson
Michael Thompson

I never said that Marvel comics were popular, I simply said they still sell. If I were to claim that Marvel comics were popular, then I would point to the May 2017 comic sales numbers where Secret Wars #1 and Venom #150 were the highest selling comics.

The pie chart is from Diamond Comic Distributors, the monopoly that handles all direct market sales to comic shops. Since it's nondescript, I'll post the actual numbers straight from Diamond's web-site.

PUBLISHER MARKET SHARES
Based on Total Unit Sales of Products Invoiced in May 2017

RETAIL MARKET SHARES
<MARVEL COMICS 38.05%
<DC ENTERTAINMENT 27.93%
<IMAGE COMICS 10.25%
<IDW PUBLISHING 4.65%
<DARK HORSE COMICS 3.05%
<BOOM! STUDIOS 2.10%
<DYNAMITE ENTERTAINMENT 1.72%
<TITAN COMICS 1.18%
<VIZ MEDIA 1.12%
<ONI PRESS INC. 0.89%
<VALIANT ENTERTAINMENT LLC 0.72%
<ARCHIE COMIC PUBLICATIONS 0.64%
<RANDOM HOUSE 0.60%
<AVATAR PRESS INC 0.57%
<AFTERSHOCK COMICS 0.54%
<HACHETTE BOOK GROUP USA 0.41%
<FANTAGRAPHICS BOOKS 0.40%
<ST. MARTINS PRESS 0.37%
<ACTION LAB ENTERTAINMENT 0.36%
<ZENESCOPE ENTERTAINMENT INC 0.36%
<OTHER NON-TOP 20 4.09%

RETAIL DOLLAR SHARES
<MARVEL COMICS 39.91%
<DC ENTERTAINMENT 30.88%
<IMAGE COMICS 11.83%
<IDW PUBLISHING 3.78%
<DARK HORSE COMICS 2.21%
<DYNAMITE ENTERTAINMENT 1.85%
<BOOM! STUDIOS 1.74%
<TITAN COMICS 0.99%
<VALIANT ENTERTAINMENT LLC 0.80%
<ONI PRESS INC. 0.59%
<ARCHIE COMIC PUBLICATIONS 0.55%
<AFTERSHOCK COMICS 0.53%
<VIZ MEDIA 0.39%
<ZENESCOPE ENTERTAINMENT INC 0.33%
<ACTION LAB ENTERTAINMENT 0.31%
<AVATAR PRESS INC 0.30%
<RANDOM HOUSE 0.16%
<HACHETTE BOOK GROUP USA 0.11%
<ST. MARTINS PRESS 0.10%
<FANTAGRAPHICS BOOKS 0.07%
<OTHER NON-TOP 20 2.56%

So yeah, Marvel's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

The books that aren't selling are their overt SJW-y books, but even Moon Girl is pushing some non-cancelation numbers, only because they are forcing that book on children through Scholastic Book Faires.

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

cancellation numbers

Why do you keep using that term? Nobody has cancellation numbers anymore. They have cancellation thresholds, which is when an a comic is doing poorly and is going to reach the number of issues needed to for a trade paper-back. This is why shit like Black Panther and the Crew is still going despite being cancelled. They're letting the author "finish his story" because they don't have enough issues to produce a tpb.

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

Trade Paper Backs are the secret money makers of the industry. Since the content has already been paid for, they're pure profit for the publisher. A handful of sales will make back whatever money they invested in the comic.

If you ever wondered why manga is so cheap or why Archie can sell digests in Walmart, that's why. There is no risk with TPBs.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

No, she's just the lower dregs of shit that Holla Forums is partial to reading. You know, like how they're divided on Ms. Muslim.

Might just be that I don't find any of her jokes funny, or that just being well-drawn does not a good comic make, but I lump her in with all the other faggy nu-Marvel cancer that needs to be incinerated.

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

It's really not. It ranges from okay to really bland and uninspired.

Christopher Cox
Christopher Cox

Holla Forums is one person
anyone liking ms.muslim
they as in not one of Holla Forums
fuck off

I disagree, the last 2 issues have been a wild Morrison-esque ride.
And emotional.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

The problem with Gwenpool is the dissonance between what Marvel is selling it as, which is "LOLRANDUMMEMES", and what Hastings is writing, a comic book.

It's this dissonance that's going to be the downfall of Gwenpool.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

That does not make up for the above average, with average being very very low, ride thus far. You can't expect much from a meme character created from a goddamn cover variant.

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

Case in point

Austin Perez
Austin Perez

No one expected much, hell you're pretty much quoting Deadpool from the earlier pic
But truth be told I've enjoyed everything that wasn't the shoehorned crossovers.
It's had the right balance of comedy and sadness.

except no.
That user was talking about how her character and comic is perceived and the difference between what they actually are

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

like how they're divided on Ms. Muslim.
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Blake Scott
Blake Scott

Venom sells well because it's actually good. Despite Brockfag's "enthusiasm" it's actually a really fun comic.

Ian Lopez
Ian Lopez

It's because it's an actual comic book in a pile of political allegories, average living nonsense, SJW soapboxes, and other such hogwash.

Caleb Johnson
Caleb Johnson

Secret Wars #1
May 2017
Don't mean Secret Empire?

Logan Torres
Logan Torres

"DC Comics Looking To Scoop Talent For 2018 In Wake Of Marvel Legacy Misfire"

At this point, Marvel Comics’ marketing folk were expecting everyone to betalking about Marvel Legacy ahead of their creative team reveals. Unfortunately, they’re all talking abouta cover byHoward Chaykin. And those who are still talking about Marvel Legacy, it’s not in a positive way.

The marketing has screwed the pooch, creators are gossiping against the publisher like crazy, whipping each other up, and DC Comics is poking around to find out who might be interested in a conversation about working for them instead. Out of the fat and into the fire?

We mentioned that not announcing the creative teams yet — and not allowing the creatives to discuss the comics that they are currently working on — has contributed to the lacklustre impact so far. But it appears it’s not just a marketing move intended to release information instages and keep the conversation going.

I have been given to understand that in a number of significant cases, the creative teams haven’t been locked down and are still in flux. Indeed, if social media wanted to campaign for or against a certain creator on a certain book, this mightbe the most receptive time.

There are big books that will have real market impact being lined up for late 2017 and early 2018, but marketing decided to push hard in September and October instead of waiting a little longer. The homage covers were a filler announcement. Marvel Editor-In-Chief Axel Alonso is receiving heat for allowing them to be hypedup in the way they were.

The ComicsPro call last week reassured retailers about 2018 plans and asked them for patience. Whether that will be rewarded with orders is to come…
www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/03/dc-comics-talent-marvel-legacy-misfire/

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

lol
Marvel just keeps screwing up.

Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

Knowing DC, they'll fuck that up somehow.

Aaron Adams
Aaron Adams

hype some covers
no idea what the fuck will be inside those comics, fuck it, we'll decide later
I didn't realize by 'legacy' they meant 'let's do this like Superdick-era Superman'

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

No doubt. It's a race to the bottom.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

bleedingcool.com/2017/07/03/dc-comics-talent-marvel-legacy-misfire/

At this point, Marvel Comics’ marketing folk were expecting everyone to betalking about Marvel Legacy ahead of their creative team reveals. Unfortunately, they’re all talking abouta cover byHoward Chaykin. And those who are still talking about Marvel Legacy, it’s not in a positive way.
The marketing has screwed the pooch, creators are gossiping against the publisher like crazy, whipping each other up, and DC Comics is poking around to find out who might be interested in a conversation about working for them instead. Out of the fat and into the fire?

Top kek. Who is DC even supposed to get that's good? Maybe a few artists sure, but unless it's somebody like Ribic then it's just trading in talent for mid-level books.

I'd be amazed if Kate Leth joined them and was somehow cured of being a degenerate dishrag whore

Lucas Bennett
Lucas Bennett

You're missing the point you mongoloid retard

The numbers that Diamond tallies at the ned of each quarter amounts to how many books are shipped, not sold

For example, if the sent a comic shop a box of 50 issues of Captain Fagsperm and the shop only managed to sell 1 issue, they would still list it as 50 issues sold

That's because (((Diamond))) are a bunch of lazy moneygrubbing turds that measure their profit in how much shit leaves their warehouse as opposed to how much end up in readers' hands, because to be completely honest measuring that sort of thing is way too painstaking and tedious to do accurately. But even so, (((Marvel))) claiming superiority by hiding behind inflation numbers is a complete sham, or at the very least an inaccurate statement because there's no concrete evidence to prove they're not on top, but there isn't enough to prove they are either

The numbers DO lie, Samoa Joe and they spell disaster for Marvel at Legacy

Brody Rivera
Brody Rivera

Cool your jets kiddo, I know summer is just getting started but sperging out this early in the month is uncalled for.

Ryder Reed
Ryder Reed

Calm down, faggot.
That's not Diamond's fault at all; they give the numbers that they see. They don't ask every single retailer to give them precise numbers or it'd take months for a single week's results to come in.

Also, those aren't units ordered, those are units shipped. A lot of Marvel titles are given away for free as promotional shit, in the hopes that free/cheap comics for their shitty lines will introduce more readers. It doesn't; it just gives the retailers even more to dislike Marvel for, as they can't send back free shit and can't sell it, so it lies in piles.

Julian Williams
Julian Williams

Gurihiru's art makes everything better, but I can't help but feel like they had to be told to include The Champions on that cover.. Because who the fuck cares about Whor or replacement female Hawkeye or Vision's autistic daughter?

I can imagine they doodled up a rough draft of this page with so many other interesting characters, and some editor told them, "no no.. Put in these characters! We're trying to push the sales of their books!.. But you can keep Doctor Strange because he's still relevant thanks to the movie."

Ian Reed
Ian Reed

When Bleeding cool attacks marvel, you have to know it's bad.

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

I'm on issue 3 of x-men blue and it's not that bad, I still hate Jean but I like she's not in a romantic relationship with little Scott. I kind of like the way little Scott's been written so far.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

not that bad
gay iceman
stupid plot
???

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

Meh. Cyclops is still cool tho. Issue 3 was good.

Parker Johnson
Parker Johnson

any Scott
cool
Cyclops should always be considered an object of ridicule.

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

Why does Angel's wings now look like Mercy from Overwatch?

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

That was probably on purpose

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

So they're cashing in on something popular? Can't say I'm surprised since marvel has always done this like how the Brood are ripoffs of the Xenomorphs.

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

Because he's Archangel?

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

I bet you like Wolverine

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

Sales to shops are sales. Shops are the customer in the direct market because they can't return the shitty books that don't sell.

Learn the basics of the comic book industry, fam.

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

It's probably just homage

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

I'll be honest, Disney buying Marvel was the best thing that they could have done, they knew there was massive money to be made from those shit movies and merch, see the comics can sell like shit for the next four years and it wouldn't hurt the Mouse one bit, why? Because they don't need comics to stay relevant anymore.

They've done what Jim Shooter always wanted to do with Marvel and that is, turn it into a brand name, the comics are just an excuse for them to sell merch of characters like Spider Gwen, Whor and Gwenpool.

The stores can bitch and moan all they want, at the end of the day they are the ones that need to buy their stock from Marvel and not the other way around.

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

Good business strategy but absolutely scummy all over. The rich get richer and all that.

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

Found the Wolverine dicksucker.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

look at this butthurt Cyclops fanboy

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

While you are entirely correct and these things are being sold to someone, the argument, if I'm not mistaken, was that comic readers and fans are not buying these comics. This is something backed up by many retailers who say they are stuck sitting on mountains of shitty comics that no one wants.

Dylan Lopez
Dylan Lopez

I know and it sucks for the brick and mortar comic shops who need physical copies to sell to stay afloat and they can't outright reject stocking Marvel comics otherwise they will look like they have a bias and well yeah.

Cameron Diaz
Cameron Diaz

Already beaten you to the punch also

linking directly to BleedingCool
They might be attacking Marvel in that article, but they are pure SJW cancer. At least break your links or archive it.

Dylan Clark
Dylan Clark

But user, my favorite is Colossus.

Blake Rogers
Blake Rogers

this is true. there's no money in selling comics to comic book readers, all the money is in fleecing idiots who thought opening a comic book store would be a good idea. surely, a business strategy that can be maintained indefinitely

Dylan James
Dylan James

Cho Hulk is gone now

YES

The only thing I might honestly fucking buy

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

THIS
I see no one archiving this shit is pissing me the fuck off

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

Archangel's wings don't look like the ones in

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

Is he? I could've sworn they were all here to stay.

Liam Adams
Liam Adams

giving them money
You have learned nothing.
Even marvel's "good" books (like gwen and brock) are mediocre.

Nicholas Watson
Nicholas Watson

Desperation. They are so desperate they are trying to imitate DC. They finally gave up the pretence that their 'we want the tumblr audience, oh fuck they share gifs not buy books' tactic was working. They are creatively bankrupt.

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

venom
even coming close to mediocre
you just never stop shilling do you

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

Honest question: have you glossed over all those articles interviewing comic store owners saying "we have stacks and stacks of comics we cant sell because marvel demands we buy 100 squirell girls for one variant of spiderman" shit?

I don't see how anyone but an actual 1990's era keyboard warrior could be this rabidly defending marvels sales as a net positive. This is biting the hand that feeds them. Tumblrcuts dont go to comics stores and the old guard are leaving because of this shit leading to comic stores closing worldwide in numbers never ever seen before on this scale. There is going to be a point where nobody is buying them in siginificant numbers at a store level. For a company that cancels books that drop below 30,000 readers thats not a lot of confidence for longtime stability.

Just go look at the shonen jump situation in japan to see the endgame for this. Lots of their old series are finished or cancelled. They change tactics to draw in new readers and churn through series cancelling them far quicker than ever before to replace them with another attempt at another one piece of naruto thats not happening because the young audience doesnt want it and the oldfags moved onto seinen manga just as westerners moved onto to companies like Image, Dark Horse and any number of totally independent books.

As a company marvels high and dry thanks to the movies, but as a big supplier of comics to comic book stores? that shit isnt getting better than it is now ever unless they have extreme changes.

Cooper Ross
Cooper Ross

Not that you're wrong about Marvel and comic shops, but Shonen Jump is operating the exact same way they always have as far as cancellations go. This is how Jump has always worked. It's nothing new. Tons of series get tossed out after 10 weeks. Get readers or get kicked out.

Nolan Diaz
Nolan Diaz

I mean it's average buddy. It's not good but I can't find the same number of glaring faults that I can in something like Champions.
Maybe America storytimes have numbed me to trash, but it at least feels "less trash".

Dominic Hernandez
Dominic Hernandez

The trends have changed dramatically since 2012. For some reason -beyond being a nazi run shithole- /a/ doesnt allow you to talk about it because its "shitposting" according to the ban screenscaps but there was a shift where one piece sales tanked and the rest stayed the same. Which simply meant something like 40% of SJ's revenue dropped because its the only big shonen left.

Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

That's interesting, user, and it's definitely a symptom of the drawbacks of Shueisha's draconian practices, but their approaches to canceling series still aren't different from what they were back then. Jump as a whole is in a tight spot atm since One Piece is trending downward and most of their other decent hits are gone, so they're pushing pretty hard to get new hits in and it's not going so well. Similar situations have happened before. Not surprised they're looking worse than ever, though.

Sebastian James
Sebastian James

Those articles are from April, and shit changes fast in the comic book industry when the stores start complaining. You also glossed over that Marvel's vice-president of sales stated at a retailer's conference in April that diversity was killing their sales. Marvel has been going to great lengths to reassure stores investing in their product and it seems to be working.

I'm not defending them as a positive. I'm simply stating the facts.

Tumblrcunts don't go to comic stores because Marvel flooded the market with sjw crap. Tumblrcunts were interested in one or two books, and Marvel promptly sperged out when they saw a couple titles doing well and dumped a fucking mountain of side-titles, cross-overs, and events on them. The tumblrcunts promptly bailed because normal people don't buy fifty fucking comic books a month, leaving stores with a pile of unsold product. Also the old guard aren't leaving, they're dying. This has been a concern since the 2000's, as many of the fans that made up the back-bone of direct market sales are getting old, which affects their buying habits.

You clearly haven't heard of the Black and White Boom/Bust or the more significant Great Comic Book Crash of 1993. There is no way this situation will lead to "comic stores closing worldwide in numbers never ever seen before on this scale", especially when this situation applies mostly to American comic shops.

Marvel doesn't cancel books that drop below 30,000 readers. They enter the "cancellation threshold" when they start to dip under 7,000 units sold, and they won't be completely shit canned until they reach enough issues for TPB.

Again, in the west, the old guard neckbeards haven't moved, they're straight up dying. Right now, one of the biggest issues facing comic shops is the thousands of dollars they lose because those neckbeards aren't picking up their pull-lists anymore, and the lack of new audiences to replace them. It's a major issue, which is why Marvel sperged out when they saw some new titles selling well.

tl;dr: You're a stupid casual.

Caleb Hill
Caleb Hill

Those articles are from April, and shit changes fast in the comic book industry when the stores start complaining.
See this is how it's obvious that you're not "just stating the facts", you're trying to sit in the burning building and claim everything is fine. Stores have been complaining for years. Shit doesn't change fast, it changes very little if at all because the disconnect between Marvel and its market is that large.

You also glossed over that Marvel's vice-president of sales stated at a retailer's conference in April that diversity was killing their sales. Marvel has been going to great lengths to reassure stores investing in their product and it seems to be working.
No, no it does not. They stated "diversity is killing sales" and then did nothing to act on that statement, they continued to shit out diverse teams and books, and they pulled out Legacy after the fact. Stores are no more confident in Marvel products than they were back in April because Marvel has changed NOTHING.

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

He's still in Champions.

Noah Lopez
Noah Lopez

stores are no more confident in Marvel products than they were back in April

In April, Marvel had 34.95% of the retail market share. In May, it increased to 38.05% of the retail market share.
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I know you want Marvel to be in decline. I understand completely your desire to see them crash and burn, but it's fucking Marvel. You've been in comics since, what, 2014? They've done this shit over and over again for decades.

Consider this: Why would you believe this situation would be enough to kill Marvel, when Marvel survived the Great Comic Book Crash of 1993, something they caused and resulted in their own bankruptcy?

Bentley Butler
Bentley Butler

doyouhaveasinglefacttobackthatup.tiff

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

n April, Marvel had 34.95% of the retail market share. In May, it increased to 38.05% of the retail market share.
That's hardly evidence for your point buddy. In December 2016 they had 36% of retail market share, which jumped to above 40% in January. A fluctuation of around 3-4% up or down occurs every goddamn month due to cancellations of competitor runs and new lines releasing. Even with the "increase" it's still well below January's market share despite the same problem having been in effect that month too. And that's not even getting into the fact that the market itself is shrinking due to their business practices. Does no good to control half the market when the market is 50% as big.

You've been in comics since, what, 2014? They've done this shit over and over again for decades.
Since 1995. The cycle of ups and downs isn't new, the focus on events and controversy isn't new, but the method of achieving it is. And eventually consumers grow tired of it. I'm not saying that shitty business practice is something new Marvel is doing, because shit like Heroes Reborn shows that isn't the case and they've always been fuckwits. But my point is that back then options were more limited. The business strategy which worked back then I at least had the sense that "Bruce Banner will be back soon" or the the changes weren't lasting. I also didn't have the ability to read scans of almost any comic at a moments notice, and a wealth of other media at my fingertips whenever I wanted.
Marvel's business scummery is as old as the day is long, but it's becoming less effective.
Consider this: Why would you believe this situation would be enough to kill Marvel, when Marvel survived the Great Comic Book Crash of 1993, something they caused and resulted in their own bankruptcy?
Nothing would be enough to kill Marvel in terms of comics sales. Marvel will be killed when people stop going to see the movies, when that happens Disney will shelve the properties for a few years regardless of how well the comics are doing.

Gabriel Edwards
Gabriel Edwards

Which point?

That's hardly evidence for your point buddy.

If retailers were so sick and tired of Marvel comics, they would've ordered less books in April which would have a noticeable effect on the May numbers. Since Marvel didn't take a massive hit, it can be assumed that Marvel is stable and comic shops are still idiots.

market itself is shrinking due to their business practices
That's a given at this point. Comics are going under and the big two have no concept of the outside world or how to appeal to them. The argument now is the rate of decline.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

gain, in the west, the old guard neckbeards haven't moved, they're straight up dying. Right now, one of the biggest issues facing comic shops is the thousands of dollars they lose because those neckbeards aren't picking up their pull-lists anymore, and the lack of new audiences to replace them. It's a major issue, which is why Marvel sperged out when they saw some new titles selling well.
Comics are going under and the big two have no concept of the outside world or how to appeal to them
Marvel's management really is stupid. If they would only make comic books more in tune with their films, it would be easier for new readers to get into comics. All they need is a separate imprint where the status quo of films is present and Iron Man looks and acts like RDJ, Captain America like Chris Evans and so on. Comics themselves would be written like they were back in the day, where each issues is a good jumping on point or self-contained. That would make comics much easier to get into and less jarring for moviefags.

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

If they would only make comic books more in tune with their films, it would be easier for new readers to get into comics.

We've had the argument before, back when it was "make the books like cartoons".

Publishers won't do any of that for multiple reasons, but mostly because they're afraid of losing their established neckbeard audience, a completely justified fear seeing how badly DC got fucked by DCYOU.

All they need is a separate imprint where the status quo of films is present

Oh yes, because flooding the market with multiples of the same franchise always brings in the new readers.

That shit just adds to the problem.

Brody Davis
Brody Davis

If retailers were so sick and tired of Marvel comics, they would've ordered less books in April which would have a noticeable effect on the May numbers.
Except this could still be the case since "percentage of the retail market share" doesn't indicate sales, but percentage of total sales. If total sales drop it rings true. You also ignore what everybody else is pointing out to you, that Marvel is shipping hundreds of free copies of their shittiest books and counting them among "books shipped" despite retailers not requesting them and not selling them.
Since Marvel didn't take a massive hit, it can be assumed that Marvel is stable
It can't be assumed that at all. What can be assumed when you look at the actual numbers isn't the Marvel is in growth or even stable, but that independent comic book publishers are losing more and more market share as the market shrinks (since they're the first to be hit) and thus marvel comparatively looks more prevalent. And again you're ignoring that the stats you linked aren't "units ordered" but are instead "units shipped" which is how Marvel has been looking competitive in recent months. The local cancerous "pop-culture shop" in my town is infuriated because they're sitting on boxes upon boxes on comics they didn't order and can't move because people don't even want to take them for free.

Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

They did that. It was what saved them from bankruptcy. I like 2002.

Carson Young
Carson Young

Damn

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

Can someone explain to me how marvel became this sjw-fest it is now? Their current stratergies are failing, and yet they keep doing them. Why are they so adamant about it when it's not selling? I thought they were jews.

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

When Marvel was run by Jews, the books sold, and it was run as a business.

Now it's propaganda, and more like a charity or something.

Colton Rivera
Colton Rivera

Can someone explain to me how marvel became this sjw-fest it is now?

It's been explained a thousand times, but I'll explain it again.

Way back when, some sjw-esq books Marvel was publishing, like the new Captain Marvel and Hawkeye, did better than expected and created a lot of buzz on the internets. So Marvel, being Marvel, tried to take advantage of this new audience by burying them in more sjw books than they were ever going to buy. That failed because what normal person would ever buy 15 titles a month at $3 a pop, leaving Marvel to find some new gimmick.

Marvel comics aren't a propaganda mill. They're still a business, abet very bad at business. Compare their actions to a comic company that actually basis their decisions on politics, Oni Press. Oni press doesn't accept submissions from white guys (even though they're staff is made up of white guys).

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

Cucklops
cool
He was the original cuck before the actual SJW cucks even started demanding representation in comics.

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

Oni press doesn't accept submissions from white guys (even though they're staff is made up of white guys).
Is that true?

Brandon Hill
Brandon Hill

millenial sjws are the loudest, the old suits up in their tower assumed that meant they were the largest number.

they were incorrect.

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

They currently don't accept submissions at all. But the last time they held an open period, I do recall them voicing a preference for stuff from minorities and women.

Logan Stewart
Logan Stewart

Sounds like Streetwize Comics.
I tried for a job there, and they had the nerve to ask me if I knew any female or Aboriginal artists.
Yeah, I knew a few, but damned if I was going to give them a job at my expense.

Jaxon Anderson
Jaxon Anderson

Marvel themselves are cooking legacy numbering for this initiative
accurate
Pick one.

Deadpool cover by David Lopez
Invincible Iron Man cover by Adi Granov

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

Here are the crossovers:

WORLDS COLLIDE — first teased in last year's Avengers #1
Part 1: AVENGERS #672
<MARK WAID (W) • JESúS SAIZ (A)
<Cover by ALEX ROSS
LEGACY Variant cover by MIKE ALLRED
Following the events of GENERATIONS comes the long-promised clash between the Avengers and the Champions! The countdown has started as the High Evolutionary, a twisted scientist determined to create a better world at all costs, sets the Earth on a collision course with destruction! The Avengers and the Champions are ready to meet this threat — but will their first cataclysmic clash deter them from Changing the World?

Part 2: CHAMPIONS #13
<MARK WAID (W) • HUMBERTO RAMOS (A/C)
LEGACY Variant cover by DAN MORA
The titanic clash between the Champions and the Avengers continues! Since they were old enough to say the word “Avengers,” the Champions have idolized Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Now the two teams are on equal footing — and the Champs must walk the walk alongside their former mentors! Will their experiences in GENERATIONS help them — or tear the two teams apart?


MOJO WORLDWIDE
X-MEN: BLUE #13 & 14 (Parts 1 and 3)
CULLEN BUNN (W) • JORGE MOLINA (A)
Cover by ARTHUR ADAMS
<#13 LEGACY Variant Cover by DAVID LOPEZ
Mojo, the demented creature obsessed with melding deadly television shows with reality, has made Earth his focus and it’s going to take the combined might of two X-MEN teams to fight back! But when threats from their past are thrown at them, how will these teams react? With SENTINELS and BROOD and BAD MEMORIES attacking at every opportunity, will KITTY and JEAN and their teams be able to save Manhattan? Or is this the trick that finally boosts MOJO’s ratings?

X-MEN: GOLD #13 & 14 (Parts 2 and 4)
<(((MARC GUGGENHEIM))) (W) • TBA [until full solicits come out next week] (A)
Cover by ARTHUR ADAMS
#13 LEGACY Variant Cover by BEN CALDWELL
The X-MEN may have bitten off more than they can chew as the Mojoverse continues its bizarre invasion of MANHATTAN! JEAN GREY and her team fight side by side with KITTY PRYDE and her group of Merry Mutants…but can MOJO be defeated when he’s got the X-Men’s greatest hits weaponized against them? Or will an unlikely alley come to the rescue?

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

Ribic like you said
Conway
maybe Hastings though he's freelance
I got no one else

David Garcia
David Garcia

Now the two teams are on equal footing
How? In what way? Is Mark Waid just fellating himself by writing his Champions as if they're in the same league as the Avengers? (Even though, yes, these aren't the real Avengers)

Cameron White
Cameron White

MORE CROSSOVERS

They've learned NOTHING.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Marvel PR corrected a few things about the Mojo Worldwide crossover:
Part 1: X-Men Gold #13
Part 2: X-Men Blue #13
Part 3: X-Men Gold #14
Part 4: X-Men Blue #14
And finally, Mike Mayhew will provide interior art for the X-Men Gold issues involved.

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

Now the two teams are on equal footing
Pfffffffffffffffftt
maybe in your tumblr fanfiction, but even some of the low-tier Avengers would be enough to take out the Champions. All you have to do is send them a mean tweet or put their logo on a septic tank and they'll rip themselves apart.

Jaxon Powell
Jaxon Powell

In what Bizarro reality are these two teams equal? All the Champions have done is act like Tumblr faggots and Jew themselves out with merchandise. I'm sure even some of the weaker X-Men teams have done more shit than these losers.

Says a lot when Marvel claims this team whose only significant achievement was clearing out a burning mosque (as racially charged as it was) can go toe-to-toe with The Avengers. Like how every teeny bopper superhero is as smart as/smarter than Reed Richards and Bruce Banner lately.

Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

just be glad it's not another EVENT TO END ALL EVENTS PART 2

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

More retardation.

All of these have the same creative teams as before but Cable.

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

LEGACY TITLES COMIGN THIS OCTOBER
NEW TITLES:
FALCON #1 - Rodney Barnes & Joshua Cassara
SPIRITS OF VENGENANCE #1 (OF 5) - Victor Gischler & David Baldeon

Renumbered:
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #789 - same creative team as before (excluding guest artists)
INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #593 - same creative team, new cover artist (Adi Granov)
INCREDIBLE HULK #709 - new artist (Greg Land)
BLACK PANTHER #166 - new artist (Leonard Kirk), same cover artist
CAPTAIN MARVEL #125 - same creative team, new cover artist (Phil Noto)
IRON FIST #73 - same creative team as before
LUKE CAGE #166 - same creative team as before
CABLE #150 - new creative team (Ed Brisson & Jon Malin)
DESPICABLE DEADPOOL #287 - returning artist (Scott Koblish)
AVENGERS #672 - new artist (Jesus Saiz), same cover artist
THE MIGHTY THOR #700 - same creative team as before

Numbering staying as is:
CHAMPIONS #13 - same creative team as before
X-MEN: GOLD #13 - guest artist (Mike Mayhew), guest cover artist (Arthur Adams)
X-MEN: BLUE #13 - returning artist (Jorge Molina), same cover artist
UNCANNY AVENGERS #28 - same creative team as before
U.S.AVENGERS #11 - returning artist (Paco Diaz), new regular cover artist (David Nakayama)
SPIDER-GWEN #25 - same creative team as before
ROYALS #9 - new artist (Javier Rodriguez)
VENOM #155 - new artist (Mark Bagley)
JESSICA JONES #13 - same creative team as before
DEFENDERS #6 - same creative team as before
MONSTERS UNLEASHED #7 - same creative team as previous issue
GWENPOOL, THE UNBELIEVABLE #21 - returning artist (Irene Strychalski), new cover artist (Paulina Ganucheau)
ALL-NEW WOLVERINE #25 - new artist (Juann Cabal), new cover artist (Terry Dodson)
ICEMAN #6 - new artist (Robert Gill)
JEAN GREY #6 - same creative team as before
AMERICA #8 - same creative team as before (excluding fill-in artists)

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

LEGACY is nothing more than Marvel repainting their current product.

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

LEGACY TITLES COMING THIS NOVEMBER
NEW TITLE: Marvel Two-In-One #1

Renumbered:
PETER PARKER: THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #297
DAREDEVIL #595
THE PUNISHER #218
DOCTOR STRANGE #381
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #146
GENERATION X #85
SHE-HULK #159
SPIDER-MAN #234
CLASSIFIED (TO BE REVEALED AT SDCC)

Numbering staying as is:
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #13
BEN REILLY: THE SCARLET SPIDER #10
SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL #23
MOON GIRL AND DEVIL DINOSAUR #25
SECRET WARRIORS #8
THANOS #13
WEAPON X #12 (?)

Returning as renumbered:
MOON KNIGHT #188 (?)

LEGACY TITLES COMING THIS DECEMBER (depending on whenever the November issues are going to be double-shipped)
Numbering staying as is:
MS. MARVEL #25
BLACK BOLT #8
THE UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL #27
HAWKEYE #13
OLD MAN LOGAN #31
ASTONISHING X-MEN #7
WEAPON X #12 (?)

Returning as renumbered:
MOON KNIGHT #188 (?)

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

New creative teams:
Doctor Strange - Donny Cates & Gabriel Hernandez Walta
Thanos - Donny Cates & Geof Shaw
Spider-Man/Deadpool - Robbie Thompson & Chris Bachalo

And we all know before that the CLASSIFIED title I promised is CAPTAIN AMERICA by Mark Waid and Chris Samnee.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

being this late to release the names of the few remaining LH variant cover artists
And here's the LH variant to Captain America #695 by Alex Ross.

Connor Parker
Connor Parker

Guillermo Sanna (Bullseye) is the new artist of Luke Cage, replacing Nelson Blake II (may be returning to Top Cow book Romulus for its second arc) starting with #166.

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

They are dumb and young, and they are happy with low wages. Some of them turn their work on time. And they are ok with being "assistant editors" while doing actual editorial work, without realizing it's a way to be able to pay them less for more work. But hey, at least I get to make hashtags!

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

First full MARVEL LEGACY solicits for November:
SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL #23 & #24
ROBBIE THOMPSON (W) • CHRIS BACHALO (A/C) [NEW CREATIVE TEAM]
SPIDER-MAN VERSUS DEADPOOL Parts 1 & 2
When Spider-Man learns that Deadpool is selling SHIELD tech on the black market it’s the last straw. Bromance? OVER. It’s time to hunt Deadpool! The two biggest characters in comics are facing off and it’s going to take them all over the Marvel Universe, no holds barred. As you can see from this cover, Deadpool’s even willing to use his laser-sharks. And it will all lead to the biggest Spider-Man/Deadpool story of ALL TIME!

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #146 & 147
GERRY DUGGAN (W) • MARCUS TO (A)
Covers by AARON KUDER (?, probably a different colorist)
THE INFINITY QUEST Parts 1 & 2
THE GUARDIANS’ HUNT FOR THE INFINITY STONES BEGINS! Their first stop? Joining up with the Nova Corps, of course! Join the Guardians as they all take up golden helmets in the quest to keep the universe safe! Nuff said!

BEN REILLY: SCARLET SPIDER #10
PETER DAVID (W) • WILL SLINEY (A)
Cover by Khary Randolph
THE SLINGERS RETURN Part 1
Ben Reilly, A.K.A. The Scarlet Spider, is a perfect clone of The Amazing Spider-Man…but with none of the responsibility! And now, someone’s encroaching on his turf in Vegas – the new Hornet! But who is he working for, and what will his former Slingers teammates – Dusk, Prodigy, and Ricochet – have to say about it?!

<POWER PACK #63
<DEVIN GRAYSON (W) • MARIKA CRESTA (A)
<Cover by MIKE MCKONE
<WHERE IS POWER PACK? Part 1 (of 1)
<In a twist of fate, four children gained incredible powers. And in a universe full of war-hungry aliens and terrorizing gangsters, they would need them. Thus Power Pack was born! But when an enemy from the past rears its head again, the youngest Power finds herself in a body-snatching nightmare! Big brother Alex better come around — or Katie is toast!

Connor Brown
Connor Brown

They really should not have brought Power Pack back. It was already tainted by making the eldest girl a lesbian. Doesn't need more SJW taint.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

Not that this will make you feel any better, but it's only a one shot. Of course it's still written by Devin "Had her self-insert rape Nightwing" Grayson.

Zachary Wright
Zachary Wright

I don't even like Power Pack but the prospect of more shitty comics just makes me so damn upset.

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

mahvel gaygacy

Michael Hernandez
Michael Hernandez

63
Well at least it will match the quality of issues 56 to 62.

How has Grayson not been devoured by SJW hoards?

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

I just noticed the Power Pack 63 cover has them with their original powers meaning it's not a flash back and they've brought Carmody back from the dead.

Damn it Marvel. All of Power Pack's recurring bad guys would up dead or genuinely reformed for a reason. The Bogeyman was dead, genuinely dead, when he last appeared. At least when a shitty Luke Cage comic he didn't have a physical body and survived as a curse.

You want a Power Pack rogue to come back? Bring back Trash Face. He never got a proper send-off: He fell through the floor, his gang disbanded and the place caught fire. The story that he's out of jail and trying to drag his old gang back into the life writes itself. He was also a decent concept (leader of some common criminal mutants) that was under explored.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

DAREDEVIL #595
CHARLES SOULE (W) • STEFANO LANDINI (A) [NEW ARTIST]
Cover by BILL SIENKIEWICZ
MAYOR FISK Part 1
New York City has fallen to Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin – Daredevil’s greatest and deadliest adversary. Matt Murdock has the law and he has his superhuman abilities – but Fisk has an entire city on his side. What can one man do? If he’s Daredevil, he can FIGHT.

Oliver Foster
Oliver Foster

Couldn't possibly be ANOTHER FUCKING TRUMP ALLEGORY, right? Please….

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

GotG #146 (I got the calculation right) regular cover first reveal.

Hunter Flores
Hunter Flores

Nice job user

Jonathan Cooper
Jonathan Cooper

ALL WITH SAME CREATIVE TEAMS AS BEFORE
<MARVEL TWO-IN ONE FEATURING THE HUMAN TORCH AND THE THING WITH MOON GIRL AND DEVIL DINOSAUR #25
<BRANDON MONTCLARE (W) • NATACHA BUSTOS (A/C)
<FANTASTIC THREE Part 1
<When THE SILVER SURFER comes to Manhattan with a warning about an ancient cosmic menace on a collision course with Earth, you better listen up! But without the First Family of the Marvel Universe around to answer the call, who’s going to step up and solve the impossible? Lunella Lafayette, that’s who! Without Devil Dinosaur by her side, Lunella must join forces with some new friends who are missing their pals, too: THE HUMAN TORCH! THE EVER-LOVIN’ BLUE-EYED THING! DON’T MISS THE RETURN OF THE FANTASTIC THREE!

PETER PARKER: THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #297
CHIP ZDARSKY (W) • ADAM KUBERT (A/C)
MOST WANTED Part 1
Peter Parker is back in the friendly neighborhood, but he’s persona non grata as far as the NYPD is concerned! It’s the ol’ switcheroo as we here at the House of Ideas ask that classic question – PETER PARKER: THREAT OR MENACE?!

ONE-SHOT OR ONGOING?
MASTER OF KUNG FU #126
CM PUNK (W) • DALIBOR TALAJIC (A)
Cover by Mike Mayhew
The Marvel Universe is full of fighters: brawlers, scrappers, weapons experts, mystical kung fu virtuosi. But there’s only one martial artist skilled enough to be called the greatest. SHANG-CHI has been a pinch hitter for a long time, stepping in for Avengers missions when no one else would do, but when no one can match your speed or skill, sometimes it’s best to work alone. To see what you’ve been missing if you don’t know Shang-Chi, don’t miss MASTER OF KUNG FU!

Also, the regular cover to the Punisher #218 will be by Clayton Crain.

Jose Morris
Jose Morris

It had its moments

Michael Brown
Michael Brown

OMG man it's SO BRAVE of Charles Soule to do this! OMG the balls and COURAGE on this guy! SO GLAD to see comics being relevant and really taking a chance like this! PRAY for his safety so he can complete this storyline before the neo-Nazi alt-right harms him!
THIS COULD WIN THE ELECTION IN 2020

Dylan Allen
Dylan Allen

The last two pics look terrible.

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

Is Shang Chi still Multiple Man? Whoever greenlighted Shang getting powers should be gently taught the error of their ways with a nailbat, then, without hate, dropped into a meat grinder and turned into sausages and sold REAL CHEAP.

Josiah Smith
Josiah Smith

Newsarama and CBR Set
OLD MAN LOGAN #31
ED BRISSON (W) • MIKE DEODATO JR. (A)
Cover by MUKESH SINGH
THE SCARLET SAMURAI Part 1
Old Man Logan – the man who was Wolverine – is up against a foe like no other…the Hand! Logan’s past comes back to haunt him when a former love drags him into battle with the Hand, who have bolstered their forces like never before. Just when things couldn’t get any worse, Logan encounters the mysterious Scarlet Samurai! Will Logan be able to discover who she is and take down the Hand?

SECRET WARRIORS #8
MATTHEW ROSENBERG (W) • JAVIER GARRON & WILL ROBSON (A)
Cover BY JAVIER GARRON
VERSUS MISTER SINISTER Part 1
Mister Sinister turns his experimental talents on the Inhumans! Sinister has plagued the X-Men for years in his attempt to jump forward mutantkind’s next evolutionary step. Now, he’s looking to evolve the Inhumans — by kidnapping and torturing them! It’s up to the Secret Warriors, the greatest team of Inhumans on Earth, to stop him. But what happens when their most fearsome warrior, Karnak, leaves to pursue his own agenda?

SHE-HULK #159
MARIKO TAMAKI (W) • JAHNOY LINDSAY (A)
Cover by MIKE DEODATO JR.
JEN WALTERS MUST DIE Part 1
The LEADER is back and he’s using his gamma-enhanced super-intelligence to strike at She-Hulk! But how do you hurt an almost indestructible She-Hulk? By turning Jen against HERSELF!
•THE SAVAGE SHE-HULK (1980-1982) (25 issues) + THE SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK (1989-1994) (60 issues) + SHE-HULK (2004-2005) (12 issues) + SHE-HULK (2005-2009) (38 issues) + SHE-HULK (2014-2015) (12 issues) + HULK (2016- ) (12 issues including this very issue) = 159

MOON KNIGHT #188 & 189
MAX BEMIS (W) • JACEN BURROWS (A/C)
CRAZY RUNS IN THE FAMILY Parts 1 & 2
A new day is dawning and with it comes an enemy unlike any that Marc Spector, Moon Knight, has ever faced. Moon Knight has always been a protector from the shadows, but this new enemy is looking to extinguish that shadow with blinding light and fire. Get ready for the introduction of Moon Knight’s greatest nemesis!
•MOON KNIGHT (1980-1984) (38 issues) + MOON KNIGHT (1985) (6 issues) + MARC SPECTOR: MOON KNIGHT (1989-1994) (60 issues) + MOON KNIGHT (2006-2009) (30 issues) + VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT (2009-2010) (10 issues) MOON KNGIHT (2011-2012) (12 issues) + MOON KNIGHT (2014-2015) (17 issues) + MOON KNIGHT (2016-2017) (14 issues) + CRAZY RUNS IN THE FAMILY Part 1 = 188

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

JUST ADD A SINGLE ISSUE NUMBER TO THESE PAST ONE-VOLUME ONGOINGS
DARKHAWK #51
CHAD BOWERS & CHRIS SIMS (W) • KEV WALKER (A)
Cover by DAVID NAKAYAMA
The RETURN Part 1 (OF 1)
Years ago, Chris Powell discovered a mysterious amulet that allowed him to transform into the spacefaring gladiator known as DARKHAWK. With his newfound edge against crime, he stood against some of the most extreme threats the Marvel Universe has to offer! Now, when two members of the Fraternity of Raptors descend on New York with designs on stealing the amulet and returning it to the stars, it’s not Darkhawk who has to rise to the challenge…it’s Chris Powell!

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #36
CHRISTA FAUST (W) • PAULO SIQUEIRA (A)
Cover by MAHMUD ASRAR
SILVER AND BOLD Part 1 (OF 1)
After faking her own death, SILVER SABLE is back in the mercenary game, and this time she REALLY might not survive! In the wake of Norman Osborn’s control of the Symkarian government, one of Sable’s operations goes south, and she finds herself and a small group of hostages trapped in the clutches of a dangerous group of terrorists! With no equipment and no back up Sable has to make sure that she and the innocents trapped with her find their way out alive. Piece of cake.

Is Shang Chi still Multiple Man?
Not mentioned in both interview and solicit for third pic related.

Jace Green
Jace Green

All this shit looks like Marvel seeing that DC Rebirth is doing well and trying to copy it without actually knowing what made DC Rebirth actually work. Like actually bringing back their old heroes and shitcanning most of shit from the old status quo.

The best thing I've seen here is the fact Whor is gonna die. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts they'll undo it as fast as possible.

Gabriel Cook
Gabriel Cook

Actually, if they wanted to follow up on Power Pack the best option would be finishing whatever the hell was happening in
Which was the last good issue of Power Pack anyways.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

What's the consensus on the renumbering among actual collectors? I mean, there has to be some annoyance at the fact that Marvel's applying legacy numbering to series and minis that have no business being lumped together.

All this shit looks like Marvel seeing that DC Rebirth is doing well and trying to copy it without actually knowing what made DC Rebirth actually work.
Look at it this way: rolling things back would be an admission of fault on Marvel's part. More importantly it'd require an acknowledgement that certain strategies (flooding the market with manufactured "successes", derivatives of derivatives, and loss leaders to a demographic that just doesn't buy floppies) just aren't working It's easier to apply some surface-level changes to distract people who don't know better from the fact that nothing has changed.
The best thing I've seen here is the fact Whor is gonna die
Never trust the solicits.

Don't you mean
<MARVEL TWO-IN ONE FEATURING THE HUMAN TORCH AND THE THING WITH MOON GIRL AND DEVIL DINOSAUR #25

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

NOT BRAND ECCH! #14
NICK SPENCER, CHRISTOPHER HASTINGS, JAY FOSGITT, AND MORE! (W)
JAY FOSGITT, GURIHIRUS, AND MORE! (A)
Cover by DAVID NAKAYAMA
FORBUSH MAN RETURNS! Part 1 (of 1)
Get ready to break the internet, folks, because FORBUSH MAN IS BACK – and he’s ready to take over the comics industry! Meanwhile, Captain America, Gwenpool, and more are…not quite themselves these days. Featuring stories by NICK SPENCER (SECRET EMPIRE, CAPTAIN AMERICA) CHRISTOPHER HASTINGS (GWENPOOL, VOTE LOKI) JAY FOSGITT (My Little Pony, Bodie Troll) and many, many more!

Devil Dinosaur may NOT appear in that one fucking issue though!

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

<AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: RENEW YOUR VOWS #13
<JODY HOUSER (W) • NICK ROCHE (A)
<Cover by RYAN STEGMAN
<EIGHT YEARS LATER Part 1
<Jump eight years into the future with the web-slinging and wall-crawling Spider-Man family! Peter Parker and Mary Jane’s super-powered daughter, Annie, is now in high school. But when this teen isn’t in class, she’s swinging through the streets with her parents. After all, keeping New York safe from super villains is a family affair! But what new threat has emerged to menace the wall-crawlers?

THANOS #13
DONNY CATES (W) • GEOFF SHAW (A/C)
THANOS WINS Part 1
Ask the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe how they fear the universe will end, and in their most honest moment, they will answer with two words… THANOS WINS. Now… see what happens when he does.

<SPIDER-MAN #234
<BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (W) • OSCAR BAZALDUA (A) [THIS CREATIVE TEAM AMONG THIS BATCH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS SIGNS OF RECYCLING]
<Cover by PATRICK BROWN
<SINISTER SIX REBORN Part 1
<Miles’ world has been shaken a lot lately, but nothing will compare to what the mysterious Iron-Spider and his brand new SINISTER SIX will do. Sandman, Hobgoblin, The Spot, Electro and Bombshell (?!) join this mystery villain to make Miles’ life a living hell.
• ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN (2000) (200 issues; see superiorspidertalk.com/ultimate-spider-man-200-review/ for how Marvel got into that count) + MILES MORALES: ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN (2014) (12 issues) + SPIDER-MAN (2016- ) (21 issues) + this issue = 234

DOCTOR STRANGE #381
DONNY CATES (W) • GABRIEL HERNANDEZ WALTA (A)
Cover by MIKE DEL MUNDO
LOKI: SORCERER SUPREME Part 1
Evil is everywhere and the world needs the Sorcerer Supreme more than ever. But is the world ready for LOKI: SORCERER SUPREME? He has the cloak, the spells — he’s even got Zelma Stanton as his assistant (and possibly more?) — but is this the chance he needed to become a hero, or is the god of lies dangerously close to unlimited power? And what happened to STEPHEN STRANGE?
• STRANGE TALES (1951)/DOCTOR STRANGE (1968) (183 issues) + DOCTOR STRANGE (1974) (81 issues) + DOCTOR STRANGE: SORCEROR SUPREME (1988) (90 issues) + DOCTOR STRANGE (2015- ) (26 issues) + this issue = 381

<CAPTAIN AMERICA #695
<MARK WAID (W) • CHRIS SAMNEE (A/C)
<HOME OF THE BRAVE Part 1
<HOME OF THE BRAVE begins – and Steve Rogers is back in action in the red-white-and-blue! Steve begins a journey across America to restore his tarnished reputation – and the dangers he encounters along the way are unlike any he’s faced before!
• CAPTAIN AMERICA (1968) (619 issues) + CAPTAIN AMERICA (2011) (19 issues) + CAPTAIN AMERICA (2013) (25 issues) + ALL-NEW CAPTAIN AMERICA (2015) (6 issues) + CAPTAIN AMERICA: SAM WILSON (2015) (24 issues) + CAPTAIN AMERICA (2017) #25 + this issue = 695

ONLY THE PUNISHER AND GENERATION X TO GO AMONG THE RENUMBERED TITLES AND DAZZLER FOR THE LEGACY ONE-SHOTS

Blake Barnes
Blake Barnes

Alright that cover is easily the worst thing I've ever seen in the history of comics. This is worse than "this might be better than fam" from that fucking Tsum Tsum comic. I have no hope for Marvel. I hope they get a visit from the religion of peace soon. A very explosive visit.

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

that fucking cover

Is there a more forced meme in today's age than dabbing?

John Wood
John Wood

Marvel introduces its November 2017 solicitations as follows:
<This month, MARVEL LEGACY continues!

<Featuring returns of the most beloved heroes and continuing the return to original series numbering, Marvel Legacy carries on into November! Marvel Legacy continues with fresh, exciting stories that define the next chapter in Marvel history while honoring that which came before! Plus, this month features exciting one-shots of favorite characters and the start of new Marvel Legacy stories for fans of all kind!
and did we mention 3 bonus “Marvel Primer Pages” on select series that will summarize the unique world of each character?

<MARVEL LEGACY: Where every single series is an event!

THE PUNISHER TAKES ON NOT ONLY A NEW FORM BUT ALSO A NEW CREATIVE TEAM!
THE PUNISHER #218
MATTHEW ROSENBERG (W) • GUIU VILANOVA (A)
Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN
FRANK CASTLE: WAR MACHINE Part 1
For years, Frank Castle has been fighting a one-man war against criminals who endanger the innocent, but when a certain one-eyed operative offers him the tools to take his fight global…how could he say no? Find out how Frank found his way into the WAR MACHINE Armor! PLUS: Includes 3 bonus MARVEL PRIMER PAGES!
• THE PUNISHER (1986) (5 issues) + THE PUNISHER (1987) (104 issues) + PUNISHER (1995) (18 issues) + THE PUNISHER (2001) (37 issues) + THE PUNISHER (2011) (16 issues) + THE PUNISHER (2014) (20 issues) + THE PUNISHER (2016) (17 issues) + this issue = 218

In other MARVEL LEGACY news, the Dazzler (second pic related by Elizabeth Torque) and Not Brand Ecch! one-shots switched release months. If you want to find out the numbering for that Dazzler one-shot, her original ongoing series counts, but not the 2010 one-shot. Meanwhile Generation X will see a double-ship this November for the December release of #85, and MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE will finally launch this December.

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

War Machine Punisher is the only thing that looks cool out of all of this. Cool in a stupid 90's way.

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

I wished they did more over the gop designs.

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