The kurds attack assad

for real?

first they suck the US dick, now the little legitimacy they had left went entirely down to shit

i genuinly hope i am wrong with my assessment of assad and he does an ethnic cleansing on them

oh lets just refuse air suport beacuse, the usa is doing it

your tears will be delicious you deluded stupid fuck, lol

no sympathy for those who chose anihilation

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Baathism is a diesese.

De-colonisation was as a mistake. Without the petty nationalist sentiment that it is better to have your own hellhole, than a land administrated by the white man, the middle-east and much of africa would have been in a much better state.

your not my comrade
yes, long live the kurds, shoot bathists

typical anarchist faggot
this is why you never get shit done
i will screencap your post and put some laughing assad faces all around it when kurds are nothing but history and bodies under the sand

Why should I give a fuck about either of these sides?

indeed, you're not a comrade at all, NATO fag

how have they help america BESIDES fighting a common enemy?

you're probably one of those spergs who think that we should so support the DPRK , because
their fat fuck dicatator gives a speech about fighting us imperialism

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Right, because everybody who starts out as an American ally stays that way right? The Viet Minh, the Mujahadeen, etc.

well thats a broad generalisation this might be true for the british areas, and maybe even frenchie area, but this is false for the congo.

also my country was a colony of spain, it took us 100 year to beacome a non-shit whole, they'll get there

Some nasty stuff went on in the kongo under leopold, but in the 1950's great advancements were made. There is no non-petty nationalist or kneejerk "anti-imperialist" reason for it's indepence.

Even if you are a communist, you have to acknowledge that the conditions for communism are better suited to a more advanced nation, and that the break up of Africa into failed nation states wasn't a step in the right direction.

For now

fuck, I really fucking hope this all doesn't end in a gruesome slaughter of the kurds, but I just can't see that not happening now that Erdogan is sucking up to Putin.
I really really hope this ends well for an independent Kurdistan, they really fucking deserve it at this point.

Why do think Erdogan is pressing for freedom of movement with europe?

The birth rates among kurds are much higher than those of turks, if this is sustained, turkey will have a kurdish majority in 30-40 years. Erdogan is planning a population removal of kurds by sending them to europe.

I love that this board has it's very own Assad dickrider.

How does that Baathist boot taste?

It has a couple. It's disgusting.

Reminder that this board contains paedophiles, Holla Forums false flaggers, literally any variety of lefty you can imagine including a few Khmerfags, and anfems.

They should be thankful that the US hasn't killed them all and pinned it on ISIS.

rip kurdistan

ill agree with you that decolonialism was a knee jerky, and the way europeans left dammaged lot but that only means they should have left more gradually, not that they should have stayed for ever.

also in the case of the kurds, i don't see how being ruled by turks, arabs and persians, advances them in any way

That is the better possibility, when the alternative is getting wiped out by Assad/Erdogan/Putin.
Unless the media picks up on this and makes it so that NATO can't abandon the kurds without large public disapproval, then I just don't see independent kurdistan happening. And I don't even know if independent Kurdistan is preferable if it can't survive without imperialist support from the US.

Sometimes it would be nice to know what is going on in the heads of the Kurdish commanders, I have no idea what their endgame is. Especially since I feel like I don't really know enough about the situation to feel certain about anything I say.
Can we make this the Kurdish offense general? Is YPG poster online to enlighten us with the geopolitical situation of an independent Kurdistan?

Here are my questions, in case anybody who actually knows anything about this is online.

their funeral.

While there might be truth to this, expect the western media to blow it out of proportion. More soft power to exert against Assad.

How did so many on the left end up supporting the US objectives?

God, commies always fuck people over.

But this is nice anyway, better it happens now than when the kurds get a better army.

The SAA would have them for breakfast with russian support.

Get the fuck out of my board.

facebook.com/CizireCanton/photos/a.1638766639740459.1073741828.1610968772520246/1800228070260981/?type=3&theater
Seems to be going alright.

It's simply the truth, bitch boi.

Consider Rojava's days numbered.

Soon, it will end up as an example of SOCIALISM THAT DID NOT WORK.

Or it'll be not true socialism. Guess that depends if they cut a deal with rebranded Al-Qaeda or not.

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There are skirmishes in the Hasakah and Qamishlo pockets every few months, they tend to blow over in a few days. Assad doesn't even have much control in those areas, they are under the control of Arab tribesman who pledged loyalty to Assad.

I really hope this is the real thing this time though. They've been pussyfooting around this issue for years now, Assad is as much their enemy as ISIS.

Feel bad for the Kurdish area in Aleppo though.

I thought the Kurds were pushing for a federated Syria with Assad as nominal leader? Because declaring independence now is not only unfeasible, but would put Iraqi Kurdistan in a bad position.

Red-and-black-pill me, Holla Forums. How do I catch up with the Rojava front? Which sites do you visit?

Maybe attacking an army fighting for survival wasn't such a shit hot idea?

The way I understand it, the Kurds in YPG doesn't have a lot of sympathy left for Assad.

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I know it's le plebbit XD but /r/syriancivilwar is really good for all aspects of the war.

I don't see any hope for rojava/kurdistan. Their enemies are on their doorstep, their allies half a world away. Only a full scale NATO invasion could save them, and that's just not going to happen. They simply aren't worth the conflict with Russia and Turkey. Knowing this, Assad can fully purge the Kurds of all opposition to his regime, and will do so in the final solution that has become an inevitability in this war.

Erdogan is the one that holds the leverage.

Assad fought back against a mainly islamist rebellion that never enjoyed majority support. Had he gone you have Libya as a template for the future of Syria.

The userbased is pretty spooked though. All kinds of shitty people there.

Does that mean that Erdogan feels safe in his ability to clear our PKK within the near future?

Yeah, I've seen legit Jabhat al-nusra supporters there once.

But a federated Syria would be a rather comfortable arrangemnent, wouldn't it? They could be independent in practice without having to worry about a messy seccession just yet, like Iraqi Kurdistan.

Murray Bookchin was against independence movements as at best they just supplanted the old boss with the new boss. Instead he advocated creating our own societies within the state, which would wither away as it lost it's usefulness. Ocalan, who led an unsuccessful Marxist movement for Kurdish independence for decades, ended up adopting these views in prison.

They won't declare independence because they don't care about it, they don't want a new nation. They want a Syria that leaves them to do their own thing as it withers away.

This offensive does not have to do with declaring independence, there have been frequent attacks from the Assad controlled areas and they are fed up with it. Assad probably doesn't really care and even if he did he can't do much about it.

I'm not an expert, but without formal independence and/or a regional army, what's to stop Assad / Turkey from just wiping them out after they've agreed? In Erdogan's eyes they're still allies of the PKK. Erdogan has been letting ISIS cross Turkey into Rojava for a long while, AFAIK.
Any deal I see Rojava making with Assad would necessarily include military independence, and I don't see why Assad would agree to that.

User bases usually suck, its the news that's posted on it that's good.

I don't even think the userbase is that bad relative to other ones. Rojava gets the most support by far, plenty of Assad supporters too, and they make good arguments, as do the rebels. No one puts up with ISIS supporter shit though. Also there's plenty of people who don't care really and just like watching wars.

The US has been involved in Syria against Assad for much longer than the Kurds have. The first reports show the 'moderate' rebels getting arms as early as 2012. They were agitating against Assad through USAID, the NED and IRI since before that.

It was a long time ago, but the mods deleted a comment that I made insulting a daesh supporter. I don't care, though.

It's extremely doubtful that Erdogan and Assad would ever make amends. I wouldn't be surprised if Assad let the Kurds be just to piss of Erdogan and encourage separatism in Turkey.

ISIS is on its way out, Erdogan is going to have to find new thugs, it'd be hard for him to use Turkish troops against them as they are the world's and the USAF's darlings. America doesn't give a shit about leftist movements anymore so I doubt they'll do anything. Things are looking pretty good.

And they do have a regional army that's pretty damn good.

He's already doing so, the Turkish military razes entire city blocks with the dirty work being done by para-militaries like the grey wolves.

Erdogan is a strategist with the neo-ottoman empire envisioned by his teacher, the turkish evola, Necip Fazıl Kısakürek, being his long term goal. In this vision, the Kurds will either surrender themselves as Turks, in the ottoman sense of the hegemony, or perish.

I think you;'re missing the point. You're also ignoring the fact that this isn't a popular uprising. What do you wish on the Syrian people and why?

Is Assad really ready to make concessions to Rojava before Erdogan? Erdogan isn't making any territorial claims in Syria right?
I took Erdogan mooching with Putin as a sign that Erdogan was looking to get a nice deal with Assad/Russia regarding the Kurds.

Yeah but would Assad agree to let Rojava be without complete disarmament?

Assad doesn't have to make concessions, the Kurds aren't demanding anything out of him except for being left alone. The PYD opposes a partition of Syria.

I just can't imagine Assad ever cozying up to Erdogan after he spent 5 years trying to dethrone him, even though Assad is going to be a petty Russian puppet when all is said and done he's gotta have some limits. Russia isn't a fan of Turkey either as they're a NATO member and are pointing nukes at Moscow at America's request.

Iraq is letting Barzani be while he amasses weapons, largely because they have no choice in the matter. Assad may be forced to do the same, on the plus side for him those arms will end up with the PKK as they fight Erdogan.

I'm sure I got a good chance of being wrong but it looks like history has carved out a place for this little project.

Anywhere I can read about the PYD demands?

Woow I did not know about that. I know that the entire European border to Russia is lined with anti-missile towers making Russian retaliation harder, but I didn't know we had actual threats in the area.
If Turkey-Russia relations are that strained, especially with the downing of the Russian plane last year, then what is Erdogan looking to gain? I thought the primary stake that Erdogan had in the conflict was in eliminating Kurdish threats. If you don't think Russia/Assad is willing to do that, why else would Erdogan try to make amends with Putin?

Is there any news on the Lions of Rojava? Their site got its shit fucked up.

This is surprising because?

they only attacked heseke after the syrian regime started bombing it's residents

US has special ops forces embedded. They were only flying the jets to protect those. As soon as they GTFO of there, they'll leave the Kurds to die.

kurdishquestion.com/oldsite/index.php/insight-research/introduction-to-the-political-and-social-structures-of-democratic-autonomy-in-rojava/

There's a start, the rest of the website is pretty good too.

America arming Turkey with nukes started the Cuban Missile Crisis, they removed them afterwards but ended up giving them back. A few European countries have American nukes and the US is trying to expand them further east into Poland.

Erdogans goals in Syria were to kill the Kurdish movement, stop the refugees from pouring in, and to remove the Assad Regime which Turkey has had a extremely tenuous relationship with for many factors including Arab Nationalist hatred of them for colonizing them and destroying the Caliphate and issues regarding the Turkish alliance with the US (which implies support of Israel and Saudi Arabia).

Erdogan lost, Assad is staying in power and he owes a lot of that to Russia. US Foreign Policy has been a disaster in the area, Iraq is an Iranian client state, and all they did in Syria appears to be for nothing as the rebels are collapsing. EU membership is absolutely off the table now thanks to the coup and his response and European racial fervor, and it doesn't look like a good option either because the EU is falling apart. Maybe he's looking to make friends with someone who isn't retarded?

I think I understand your viewpoint now.
But, if the continuation of a somewhat independent Rojava depends on Assad wanting to antagonize Erdogan, then why start an offensive against a mostly harmless city, risking their relationship with Assad?

Assad's forces were busy in Aleppo. This is a severe mistake by the Kurds as the primary reason that Edrogan was helping ISIS and the Kurds is because of his outright hatred of the Kurds. This will get Russia to stop protecting them and allow an alliance like in . This was a suicidal move.

helping ISIS and the Kurds

nah they're close with the US

their enemies aligning with Russia is great for the Kurds, it means independence is much more likely

Weren't they already offered independence and autonomy though? I'm not seeing how this is gaining them anything but more enemies.

autonomy, never independence

Assad is hoping for a scenario in which Rojava is under his control but has local authority, like the situation in Iraq

But this necessitates the imposition of the Syrian state upon Rojava

Source? Preferably not the 'White Helmets'

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