What makes you all so sure that racism...

What makes you all so sure that racism, sexism and other societal conflicts will all end once capitalism has been overthrown, and class antagonisms no longer exist?

Become the means of production by abolishing humanity and realizing our mechanical being with uploading ourself to our new robotical bodies.

There will be no race or gender after the singularity.

Because the fundamental inequality of our society is that of class society.

Because once you remove the structures of exploitation there is nothing to exploit people with

I don't. I will always feel uncomfortable around black people and will always want to avoid them at all costs even if we had FALC tommorow. People always react negatively to others who look too different from them on a very visceral level and this is never going away.

but how is one sure that in a future socialist society the entire superstructure is changed? Could people not keep their prejudice on a social level?

Without its material basis, racism will lose a lot of ground at least in places like US, Latin America and South Africa.

Dismantling patriarchy will require extra work, i think.

Read marx, communism will have its own contradictions we cant think of yet, and thus will have conflicts.

Also, big things like race issues are caused for 99.99% by class antogonisms.

I have been reading marx, my main question was how one can be sure that those problems would be rid away just from the destruction of class.

We are not sure. Moreover, I can tell you that I'm pretty certain that prejudice will remain.

It's just any attempts to do anything under Capitalism are fruitless. Sandcastles on a beach. Capitalism bends things to its will. Because it's the logic of the money that decides things, not actual people: at the end of the day, Capitalists are just as enslaved by the system as everyone else. Should they try to introduce Socialist practices, they are doomed to be outcompeted by their less principled rivals.


Consider Feminism: Capitalist version is basically about the right of females to assume male roles. Male gender roles are assumed to be inherently superior and the only thing female can aspire to - is to emulate male. The role of housewife is doomed to being dependant on the working husband - even if it is house-husband and working wife.

Because it's the economic roles that define things, not the actual gender. Sexism is a consequence of having one part of population routinely assume subservient economic role. But even the most radical (but Liberal - i.e. pro-Capitalist) feminists rarely (if ever) dare to consider equalizing gender roles. Because it is an impossible thing under Capitalism. No one has the power to change the basis on underlying reality that is economy.

Socialist approach is about changing this basis of society. Instead of money being the deciding factor, we have actual people making actual decisions (unless we are talking some sort of AnCap/MarkSoc blend without a state; which makes AnFem an oxymoron). It actually gives tools to make both roles viable. I.e. it can remove the source of inequality. Even difference between having or not having paid maternity leave is huge already.

I.e. Socialism is not about automatically abolishing discrimination, but getting tools to deal with.


This is the basic idea.

The social level isn't some 'natural' part of 'human nature'. The position of certain races in history gives us our racial prejudices.


Literally muh feels.


Universalising muh feels.' Hooman nature' bullshit. If you are a pussy who feels threatened by colours you need to off yourself.

Have you ever tried overcoming base instincts? I mean on a personal level?

We also used to sleep outside and marry our cousins would you like to keep those parts of outdated barbasim also?


Bald assertion, why is this the case?

Thanks, I had a very idealist notion of socialism and communism; and mistook them for completely abolishing prejudice and oppression altogether.

my question is if these racial prejudice's are a result of education, economics, or upbringing. If it's the first two then sure they could ideally be removed in a socialist society, but if it's the latter, how do you attempt to fix it?

Individual racism is extremely difficult to change and nobody is claiming prejudice will disappear overnight. What a lot of people do believe is that when you change the underlying structure racism will then be 'bred out'. Unfortunately most people don't have the capacity to change individual racist beliefs (although some do). However it is very possible to create a society which does not continue to create racism.

The argument goes that FALC removes both the need for racism and the apparatus to be so. It is to do with all three of those things you mentioned. The point being that by altering the first two people won't be brought up by racists.

Perhaps through changing the superstructure individual racism can die, but that would be a gradual process; and in no way guarantees that minorities won't separate and form their own racial communes and espouse their prejudice.

My main concern is when I look at a place like Holla Forums and I see reactionary racism that is produced against the anti-racist culture that exists today. I'm just pensive as to when this dialectic reaches synthesis, and people no longer live in a action-reaction/dichotomous society in regards to societal issues.

What if people want you to use one type of body and get pissed when you don't?

What reason would they have to do this though?

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Dialectics really.

Socialism is very broad movement. I was talking Marxism (and ML specifically). It's about abolishing economic roots of oppression and giving people actual tools to change the world how they see fit. Marxism alone can't actually force people to do things.

Marxism is simultaneously much more radical than any bourgeois feminism (at the time some "feminists" were even against universal suffrage, for example; while even those Marxists who were completely alien to gender politics assumed it a basic civil right) and apathetic to actual feminism. It's about giving a choice, not making specific decision.

That said, people generally decide sane and ethical things, rather than RACEWARNOW. Which is why I assume, Socialism (and then Communism) will eventually lead to disappearance of prejudice and oppression altogether.

Why do people do this? Are you black or from the south?

That isn't really a proper answer

How so? Does the term "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" no longer hold any meaning? What makes you sure that people won't continue to be reactionary?

I agree, and I hope this is the case.

with gulags and deathsquads

Why would an robot/cyborg need glasses?

everything has its foundation in economic status

blacks went from slave to working class, are associated with poverty, thus crime and such
racism is based on these things
it's discrimination against working class features, it's divide and conquer by the ruling class
individual blacks might rise into the ranks of capitalists, it will not change the general perception of the majority which cannot but remain working class in majority

women will be absolutely independent from economic family boundaries by full self sustaining income, easy and free access to all health needs, housing etc.

just use your fucking brain to break things down yourself for once god fucking dammit

the sweater on the other hand is completely fine, yeah

well it could be unusually cold out. Some machines can't handle that.

Because they will be liberated. Why react to nothing?

What makes you think that everyone would go along with that?

What about memes?

In the transitionary period towards communism, something I don't believe will be done in just a single generation, it will still be a serious problem worthy of addressing.
Once full communism is achieved it will wither away much faster.

At least you admit it. Good. Now you gotta work on it.

Don't forget racism in non-western countries. Ethnic hatred in places like Africa are based on spooks more than materialism - long histories of tribal warfare spread through the generations and create antagonism in modern society. While capitalism exacerbates this - for example the caste system in India - it is older than capitalism itself.

I think it's foolish to say that discrimination will disappear if capitalism were to end tomorrow, but without the power to do material harm that comes with capitalistic exploitation it would just be some assholes being assholes, which in a multicultural society would eventually go away as young people find out that people of all races and genders are pretty similar.

Why tho? Me being uncomfortable around black people is inconsequential to wanting to eliminate the capitalist middle man.

Under communism, the collectively owned means of production of the master race will outcompete those of the inferior races. Consequently, inferior races will dissapear, and so will racism.

We'll need black people in the revolution won't we?

Cyborgs are superior?

Sure. Doesn't mean I'll have to associate with them after if I don't want to.

What if you'll need to learn how to talk to black people, learn black slang, etc to plan for the revolution?

What about religion? If it's taboo to use technology to abort a fetus, it'll definitely be taboo to live forever.

Fucking hell are americans this retarded? They speak a very minor accent, the difference between AAE and standard american is less than the difference between north or south london.

Poor blacks have a different accent than middle/upper class blacks. Really it's only something you can experience.

Sounds spooky

It would fade away given enough time but there is no fucking way it'd vanish. Especially if you keep advocating to ignore it.

i'm american and i can't tell what the fuck poorer blacks are saying.

Well capitalists ARE human beings acting on human nature. So OP has a point.

Not really, better off Blacks get a better education and because of this they can speak in Standard American, when they talk to white people that's how they speak so they can be understood and so that white people don't think they are retarded and violent and all the other negative things whites associate with Blackness. When they talk to other Black people they speak in the dialect they were raised with. I used to work with a boogie black lady who sounded like Martha Stewart when talking to me but when she got a call from one of her kids she was full "I don't know nothin bout birthin no babies."

I don't think they will end, however removing economic insecurity would help out a lot and the bourgeoisie has been a driving factor in racism since thrice country was founded, without their influence things will get better.

answered your own question right here

Let me explain further: "Capitalists ARE human beings acting on human nature. So OP has a point."

The human nature that created capitalism will still exist after its fall.

What's wrong with racism and sexism? They're the building blocks of our society