What's Leftypols position on trannies/transgendered people?

The photo is not pornographic stop masturbating

Abnormal? Yes. It's a disorder however you look at it. Not every disorder requires a cure though.

I want everyone to be treated equally and mist if the world is very spooked on gender due to religious imperialism, which hurts trannies pretty badly (mtf trannies particularly). Also for some reason I'm really attracted to them. Like I'd seen naked men and women and that's hot and all but the first time I saw a chick with a dick (and later a man with a pussy) it just felt right for some reason. Go nuts, Freudians.

Yes to both.

1- No it's not.
2- Why do I want a robot arm, faggot?
3- Or therapy. Maybe they need therapy.
4-. It is in no way bourgeois.
5-. Not necessarily, no. In fact if any edgeposters are here, I haven't read stirner, wouldn't restricting yourself for the sake of normality be more spooky than doing what you want to yourself?

What about the trannies that come by once we reach communism? Oh wait, reaching communism isn't a part of your plan you're a tankie :^)

Social conditions will normalize and as people no longer feel so alienated by their material conditions such things tranies will vanish form the society nor become marginal to point of irrelevancy. Without bourgeois interests pushing for further identity politics, these politics will die out.

There will still be trannies under communism. If they belong in mass graves now, what will that marginal irrelevant group do, who will stop them from transitioning? If you have no intention of stopping them then, then why kill them now?

And pushing for mass graves of people of an identity you dislike is idpol, retard.

It would not be the case since those mass graves would include all those who partake(ergo tranies themselves) in the identity politics, along people pushing for it(ergo liberals, capitalists etc.). You`re committing the poisoning the well - fallacy and falling into intellectual dishonesty right now.

So whose not going to be gulaged?

No it seems more like you're full of shit. Trannies, whether you erase every trace of them from this planet now, will show up, they will exist. What do you plan to do then? What even is the inherent problem with them that such drastic measures such a gulags and mass killings are required, why, if anything, is that not a massive and ridiculous waste of resources for the revolution?

We support the liberation of trans folk against cisheteropatriarchy

Straight aryans within an acceptable height and bmi of course. :^)

Don't false flag.

That is to be decided by the central party committee democratically (via demoratic centralism).

New social conditions need to be created so we can cast off the old world, along its ideas,history and tradition. This will not only need suppression on bodypolitic on physical level, but we will need a new type of cultural revolution to purge the culture form it`s counter-revolutionary impurities.

I don't care how you dress or what you call yourself as long as you aren't an obnoxious faggot.

These new social conditions you're talking about seem more like old social conditions. You're not talking of suppressing idpol but of suppressing trannies, by erasing any trace of them, and killing them all. And what exactly is counter-revolutionary about them? What is the problem with them? What makes the incompatible with communism?

I'm not interested in the matter. It is a black hole for time and resources. Leave the social liberals to handle it.

by definition
less and less, but I do think it's an interesting phenomena.
Is this sudden influx of trans people a permanent change, or is it just a fad that dies out once people stop paying attention?
Also somewhat concerned with the wellbeing of kids and young teens on hormones, it's kind messed up, hopefully not all of them will regret it.
All in all I'm giving the trans-people movement 8/10, jimmies where definitely rustled.

Their identity was born of capitalism, therefor it should die with it.

1-sure thing i will take this trans operation in Uganda next week
2- An arm is not a devotion from the self that follow a fulfillment of rebelling against a meaningless social structure
3-No they need fucking lacan
4-Show me a trans working class person
5-They are acting on the behalf of the super ego they are anti ego

Here you are in the wrong read lacan

I don't care what you wear. I don't care what you look like. I don't care which consenting adults you fuck. I don't care what you call yourself. If you ask me to use a certain name for you I will.

Caring about that shit is falling for idpol. Humans are humans.

Firstly, no, that's fucking stupid, just because something was born in capitalism doesn't mean we should just lash out at it like spooked reactionary morons, and secondly, no, it wasn't born of capitalism at all.

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The fuck are you talking about? It's not bourgeois and you're a spooked, reactionary fag.

NIGGER WHAT?

Here's one you absolute fucking retard. Only example I have readily available.

what a sad soul
read lacan

WEW

I can see now why you would have class reductionist tendencies, since your own sexual interests are on the line.

i-is that you user?

Fuck Lacan. I know for a fact that person sells their labour to survive. Your claim that there are no tranny proles is ludicrous.

There's a little more to it than that. Like not massacring people for no justifiable reason.

Nope.

an-fems save this place please.

40% pure kek
60% medium smug

100% ultra pure keks

Fine how about, the vast majority of them? Any tranny porn actor even.

I don't care and I honestly don't have enough information on the topic.
The one thing that mildly concerns me is kids having gender reassignment surgery.

It's a real thing and they should not be discriminated against. I sure wouldn't like to be trans, their lifes are not easy.

Live and let live. As long as they are not being a porky, exploiting other peoples' labour. I have nothing against them.

I really don't care.
Just give them the pills and surgeries that they want so badly and be done with it.

They get terfs and alt right retards triggered so I can't dislike them

Classic tankies, ur gross m80

don't care, they can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. doesn't affect me so I don't see why I should have any strong feelings on the subject.

thetransgendercenter.com/index.php/mtf-price-list.html
see the prices for yourself

yes

A bit. It's big business right now and will be exploited as such. I think the science of it all is iffy.

Take your right-idpol and go.

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I have this suspicion that there is huge miss understanding between us

have your space to speak and expline yourself plz

The price of those surgeries has nothing to do with whether there are any tranny proles, which there are.

What i mean is your Definition of "trans"

where is that .mp4 from? I want to hear moar.

Your dad :^)
No matter how you define it, you're wrong. Unless you define it as "owning private property".

I don't remember really. Some guy dumpster diving in new york.

you want to end here ?
k .

dad is ded

He probably died from being so disappointed in you.
Here's off google:
noun
noun: transsexual; plural noun: transsexuals; noun: transexual; plural noun: transexuals

1.
a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.
synonyms: hermaphrodite, androgyne, epicene, intersex, transgendered person; More
informalgender-bender, trannie
a person who has undergone treatment in order to acquire the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.
synonyms: hermaphrodite, androgyne, epicene, intersex, transgendered person; More
informalgender-bender, trannie

adjective
adjective: transsexual; adjective: transexual

1.
of or relating to transsexuals.

Now how exactly are all of these people bourgeois? Even the ones who can afford surgery and get it done are not automatically bourgeois. Stop trying to sneak right-wing identity politics into naive people's heads.

Why do trans people so upset all the time?

there were always trans people in human societies like hijras and two spirited

t. study anthropology

I never knew Holla Forums was so spooked

spooks
but meh those are ok but they need to read Lacan and get despooked about gender and sex

This is the bourgeoisie fags that i hate

Mental illness, one of many possible courses of treatment is surgery.
Should we not treat the mentally ill because you don't like them?

No. That's wrong. Read something other than Lacan faggot.

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Name a single tranny who has served any purpose other than being an excellent tool for virtue signalling liberals.
Then think about all the resources you would be dumping on a mentally ill special snowflake faggot.
Trannies and socialism are incompatible.

Mutilation is form of torture which inflicts suffering by using tools to alter the state of a body. If that manipulation happens on a voluntary basis it's not mutilation, especially not if it makes you feel better. Face it, you bought into the spook of "natural" bodies.

Queer activism of all kinds, while being exactly what you said it is, still happens to be useful for socialism. When you have more and more gender and sexual identities, they will ultimately become meaningless, and dialectical magic will eventually cause the concept of gender to break down onto itself, ridding society of one form of hierarchy (one that is especially tied in with class relations, never underestimate how vital gender roles are to the bourgeois nuclear family). Intersectionality is only cancer if you think racism and cisheterosexism are bigger problems than classism, but very useful if you realize all forms of opression have to be dismantled as one.

yeah that isnt spooky at all…

Normal or abnormal are usually defined by whatever spooked standards society deems to be acceptable, such standards can and do change from time to time. Just a few decades ago being gay, not even a full blown tranny, but just gay was considered a mental illness, now if you call a gay person mentally sick people will frown upon you. So basically "normal" as a concept is pretty much flawed and spooked and is only valid in cases where people are legitimately sick in the head like schizophrenics, conservatives and the like.

Since I'm not spooked I obviously don't give a fuck. Do whatever you want as long as you don't cause harm to others and don't try to impose your ways.
And stay away from me with your filthiness

Holla Forums wants to gulag every transgender person becuase they think it's a product of alienation and meanwhile Reddit thinks "fat-shaming" is some kind of capitalist system of oppression. Why is there no normal place to talk about communism?

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Care enought to post. Fucked 2 guys once and they both turned tranny. Being a female is shit tier tho, i feel sorry for all guys wanting to be female.

Near as I can tell it's maybe 5 guys. I'm positive a higher number want to fuck trannies.

Your cock turns men into trannies?

I've topped 4 guys and they're just flaming faggots

It involved crossdressing (best fetish) and they were young,(around 18) gues it kidna fucked with their mind. Its sad as fuck when cute guys turn to wanting to be female when they allready begin to decline in feminine cuteness around 21.

That seems pretty late to switch tbh. You sure it was your dick that did it or do cuteboys just have a a big overlap with trannies?

I have no idea actually, should ask them.
Gues one fellow allready was kidna and the other just came a little late with the reveal or whatever.

There's definite a good deal of overlap.

He didn't say anything about nature he said it was mutilation.

The politics of getting marginal voices 'heard', as if it will someone make bourgeois politics more fair, is something I don't care about.

Transgender rights has nothing to do with communism for me but it is progressive politics

I fucking hate this place

why

I bet you believe we live in a patriarchy too fag. All of that shit is worthless idpol cancer that's utterly meaningless in a modern setting. It sounds like you're s time traveler from the 1800s.

So much for solidarity with any kind of worker

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Who gives a fuck?
I don't care.

Yes.
Yes.
Though I hear their suicidal rate is high as heck, and most of the ones I've seen online act really annoying. Seeing as I've never had a positive experience with them, I can see why people dislike them.

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most? bit unfair tbhm80

Abnormal, but not worthy of being ill-treated over it.
Someone wants a X instead of a Y body, see if they actually want that, if so, that is their thing.

is it abnormal? yeah
But nobody should care, honestly. People should be able to do as they please with their own bodies

How many of you have fucked or would fuck a tranny given the chance?

I cybered with one, if that counts.

'no'

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Yes.

Yes.

All that matters is they're on the side of the proletariat. I'll call them whatever they want because I really done five a shot of they identify as Shiva the destroyer or Lucy the masculine looking lady.

Seems to be a lot of imperialist notions of gender here. Acting as if trans gender/ non binary is a new bourgeoisie fad with no historical precendent.

What about native american "two-spirits"? Indian Hijras? Etc.

Its abnormal only insofar as it is much less common that male/female.

Who cares if they're trans? As long as they aren't bourgeoisie swines like Caitlynn Jenner or spooked Tumblr kids, I'm fine.

Class struggle does not exclude anyone. The porkies hijacked the LGBT movement ages ago, and it's time for it to be cleansed of pigs.

I'm not interested in petty identity politics until we fix the elephant in the room

My gf is trans

I would fuck a reverse trap, but it's a very particular type that I don't see often. They're more androgynous and less manly.
Also, I'm kind of into small titties for some reason.

No offense OP, but I kind of hate that being transgender is now some sort of hot button political issue. Back when I started transition (4 years ago) it was harder to find proper treatment, but I eventually got on hormones, got surgery, and changed my documents. Then, when I went to university, no one knew I was trans and I just blended into society with the fact that I was trans becoming mostly a non issue.

No one in my life currently, not even my boyfriend knows I'm trans, so for all intents and purposes I live a life equal to a cis person. Really, I think that's how it should be for most trans people. Unfortunately, I feel like the current media climate is obsessed with sensationalizing trans people and using them as a political token in one way or another. This kind of shit just makes trans people even less likely to be able to lead a 'normal' life.

I'm fine with more respect being offered towards trans people, but I wanted to be treated like a normal person, not a political or social commodity.

I really want to cuddle the qt in your pic

Also, why are you shilling Lacan so hard? What will I gain from reading him and where do I start?

what about having an uncontrollable mental disorder has to do with owning means of production?

please stop meming

Apathy. Live and let live. You shouldn't give a shit how other people live their lives.

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Jesus Christ.

Fucking this!

kys

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Lol sorry but the fact that I am trans is mostly a private matter to me, except in a few anonymous contexts. I am sure that there are things you don't tell your significant other as well, for a variety of reasons.

My point with all of this is that I think trans people would just be normal people if it wasn't for the fact that they're treated as objects by the political climate.

He explain who we feel depraved of something when we take a sexual stance and that the human mind is in fact ploysexual all the time

L A C A N
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L A C A N

the spooky """""""""treatment""""""

Retarded irrelevant social issues that serve only to distract from the real issue of wealth inequality and class structures.
The purpose identity politics serves is to divide the working class into smaller groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation whatever the fuck.

How we feel *

Abnormal and a mental illness, but I dont give a shit what people do.

Also, it seems like corporations now see trans people as the trendy new thing to market to consumers. See videos on buzzfeed for instance, like this one youtube.com/watch?v=PBVy0xtDoRo

It is obviously geared towards those with no real knowledge or experience in the transgender community, but exists so that they can watch it and feel "progressive" while they are really just being sold more and more products through buzzfeed's product placement and advertising.

You can also see this when companies like Starbucks (among other companies money.cnn.com/2016/03/31/news/anti-gay-north-carolina-corporations/) threaten the state of North Carolina so that they can seem "accepting" and you are distracted from their ruthless exploitation of third world workers and anti-union attitudes.

here you fell for the social pre written cultural narrative

read Simone de Beauvoir plz

AND LACAN

Kill yourself, transfag. You failed at life.

I think if you want to be the opposite gender, that's not a huge deal. People explore touching their dicks and cunts at a young-ass age, if someone wants to explore the idea of being something else because it makes them feel better then that's not really something I'm going to be bothered by.
Trans acceptance is the latest attempt to push LGBT issues into the corporate structure though and that shit's gay as fuck.

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>>>Holla Forums

In the sense of it literally not being normal or average, yes it is obviously outside the norm of your average person's experience. I also view it as a disorder, whether it's genetic or congenital or psychological is irrelevant to my calling it as a disorder, as I think it's objectively clear to me just from looking at the suicide rate of transgendered people that being so is not to their benefit to say the least.

I'm rather irritated that it's to be all that people are talking about lately, it seems to have been recently commoditized. And that like so many other identities that have been so reified seem to wind up as a target demographic to market to and as a cudgel for college leftists to use against anybody who does not conform to their petty politics. That the end result of all this celebration and reification will be the career advancement of a few lucky activist leaders and transgenderism itself becoming a heavier and heavier club.

take off flag, kill self

sex is real
sex chromosomes are real
your spooking yourself there boy

Feeling like you are born the wrong sex is not something that someone should be hated for.

I think having limits on what a person can and can't do is silly, and in a communist world people will probably have less trouble accepting their sex as they will be able to interpret male or female however they want, wear whatever they want, and act however they want with less need to be judged by society. Maybe a communist born person is not going to want to physicaly swap their penis for a vagina when in their mind they realise that being born a man or a woman isn't as restricting as in 2016. I think a lot of people who may consider themselves transgender now, only do so as simple mental issues similar to ones everyone goes through, aren't that deep a concern, and are brought about by bigger issues in society. People wanting to cut their genitals off or similar, I honestly don't think it should be encouraged like it is.

It is likely that the high suicide rates of transgender people is probably from societal pressures, although I will admit I don't know for sure. So if someone has a serious and real problem with not feeling that their physical genitals fit them, then who am I to decide that surgically changing wouldn't help them? And who am I to judge them if it does help? It would be similar to cases of people desperately needing to cut off a limb or other body part, and feeling relieved when it is done; it's a mental issue that would be better off solved mentally, but perhaps is only able to be solved physically with some cases.

Of course it's abnormal; that is a really stupid question.

how is that possible, how are you born the wrong gender?
you literally can't become the other gender, your just gonna waste money caring yourself up and end up heroing for realizing your delusional.

I said feel you were born the wrong gender; people can feel an amazing amount of often contradictory emotions. It's a bit childish to think people can't think it, even though people obviously do.
I don't think you understood what I was saying at all. I was talking about someone being a male and doing whatever a female does if they want to without being judged for it.

You sound quite young, and seem stuck to rigid ideas not for any reason, but just because you have already accepted them.

Not really, if I were to transition I wouldn't be such an asshole to cover it up and deceive my partner who might as well believe he will one day have children. Hell, a partner is probably the person who deserves the most honesty in life.

Must agree on the part where you haven't told boyfriend… I would definitely want to know if my girlfriend had transitioned.

how can someone feel they are the wrong gender if they have never been in the state of the opposing gender?
I'll judge them, It's disgusting and I don't want my children to have to see that shit.
people can't change genders, it's a fact.

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Now this is just unscientific. I'll prove it to you.

What in layman's terms we call gender or sex is really the complex makeup of a large variety of sexually dimorphic traits. I'll list a few:

brow ridge
shoulders
chin
chest
genitals
reproductive organs
hormones
feet
height
voice
muscle mass
chromosomes

A woman might have wider than average shoulders and a larger brow, but we still refer to her as a woman because all of the other traits line up. By contrast, a man who has had to have his testicles (or even penis) removed is still a man, because everything else about him likely looks like a man.

What hormones and surgery mean for trans people is the ability to change most of their sexually dimorphic traits to line up with the other gender. For example, FFS can change facial features, SRS changes genitals, HRT changes hormones and muscle mass, voice training changes voice, etc. Some of these procedures (like FFS) are not even necessary if the individual started HRT before puberty was completed (like me).

In my case, I have:
small brow ridge
small chin
large chest
vagina
no reproductive organs
estrogen
slightly larger than average feet for a Caucasian female
average height
high voice
low muscle mass
XY chromosomes

As you can see, my sexually dimorphic traits put me in the same place as a female born with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. Seeing as society considers them women, why do they have a harder time accepting me? The answer is sp00ky bullshit, thus the reason I keep these facts hidden from people in my life.

Oh my keks.

How can someone feel they aren't the right height when they have never been in the state of being taller? You're being very silly here. People can imagine many things, and feelings don't have to accurately describe intricate details to feel "wrong".

Again, you completely misunderstood what I was talking about; I don't care if you or a billion other people judge them right now, since I was describing a hypothetical scenario that didn't require your personal opinion on the matter. A person born male should be able to pursue activities that society nowadays decides is female if they want, and still be considered male in a free world. This will probably lead to less people feeling like they are the 'wrong' gender, and less cases of the depression and other issues around that. Do you really think in a communist world you can tell someone what they can and can not dress like, or what hobbies they find interesting? No, but you can certainly find them disgusting if you like, although that opinion is certainly a product of our environment.

Are you using the anarcho communist flag as real?

I never once mentioned whether changing your biological sex was possible or not. Stop replying to me if you aren't going to bother reading what I say or trying to understand.

1. Don't give a shit
2. Don't give a shit
The sooner we get rid of gender and all the autistic memery it brings the better

The ideology of not giving a shit and getting rid of. This destructiveness masked as apathy seems to have become the commensensical end conclusion of current ideology. It's where self-mutiliation is no different than a change of clothes.

I don't care how people want to dress or do their hair or what hobbies they have. I don't think cross sex hormone therapy or surgery should ever be a first option for those with gender dysphoria. More research should be done on gender dysphoria as to what causes it and how to cure it. The research I have read made me conclude it is not one single condition but multiple ones that require different treatments. It is stupid to shame the mentally ill.

The odds of mental illness developing in humans will rapidly fall if you remove those already ill from public life before they can spread it to others, and then use social conditioning (like shaming) to prevent most new occurrences.

No, it's not contagious. The people who do it in a fad sort of way are just confused because of the persistence of social construct of gender which is based on gender roles. Gender roles are huge social exaggerations of minor sex differences. Because of these gender roles people think they must be the opposite sex if they do not fit the stereotype of their own sex.

why?

Why are you guys so scared of transgendered people?

ITT: brocialists

Because they tend to be drama-magnets that derail anything they're associated with

Because I'd rather have people prevented from mutilating themselves than have them do so, with all it's consequences. I don't want such a society, I'd rather enforce action against such, then to let there be an open sewer for the sake of honoring the "but who are you?" cliché.

There's a reason why a society based on your principles has never existed.

You might as well ask why care about other people at all. It's pretty hazardous to their health and it has been proven ineffective at reducing suicides of people with dysphoria. .

I don't care.

I don't like the tumblr crowd because they seem to treat politics as nothing more than a chance to establish a set of quotas (and an excuse to post Holla Forums-tier garbage about how much they hate everyone who isn't exactly like them) but actual support for people who want to live their lives as a gender they weren't born as is another matter.

If you want to transition, transition; if you need medical assistance to do it, medicine should be available to everyone anyway. If you can't be hired as a result, that's just another piece of evidence as to why we need employment guarantees for all proletarians.

The politics around it seem warped by identitarianism, but as socialists we should support the emancipation of all people, including transgender people.

Such is the next placement of the ideological coordinates. The logical furthering of the "but why care?" question, which presupposes it's underlying principle as natural, without any grounding to firmly place it in such an order. It's the intuitive phrase that is the central tenet of both libertarianism and sjw's.

I also have a problem with this infantile stance of "just do whatever you want, it's your shit". By adopting it, one is ignoring the origin of our desires. As I have mentioned before on the topic, a person can not want to be the other gender if they don't know there is another gender that exists. Thus it is not something merely born out not nature, but the social condition as well (if not mostly).

As leftists and materialists it should be well known that the material conditions in which a subject lives in have a great impact in his wishes. To quote Lacan: "Man's desire is the Other's desire".

So why care? Because this phenomenon, gender dysphoria, is not something that people come to have by pure nature, but from coming to be in language. Society is what has made them be of another gender. And we are to change society, much better in a way that people don't feel they have to be this or that to feel well with themselves.

If they actually are transexuals, what with differing brain structure and such, offer the full support of universal healthcare.

If they're transtrenders, lock them up in the loony bin.

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