Arguably which would you say is the worse state Holla Forums?

theres that word again

ok I misread that

you're allowed to leave Saudi Arabia if you don't like it.
North Korea has multigenerational punishment.

NK is shit but they stay contained in their own little bubble. SA exports terrorist insanity all over the world and actively undermines peace efforts and stokes religious tensions. Also their entire country is based on spooks.

What are you implying? Totalitarianism isn't just some made up porky concept used to slander socialism. It's a pretty well defined and understood in poli-sci circles and there has been quite a bit of literature surrounding it, even from leftists.

this, more or less.
it's a country that exists purely on spooks funded by the US to keep the entire ME a constant shithole enabling the US to bomb the shit out of it in the name of "freedom"

Saudi Arabia actively supports the USA so North Korea is much better by default.

Even if you thought that was true, the optimal strategy would be to pretend like you didn't so you could persaude normies to socialism and not look like a delusional red nazi instead.
you just want to have other people congratulate you for having the right opinions and the intelligence to develop them yourselves, you virtue signalling motherfuckers.

This thread on Twitter is confusing me: twitter.com/guerillagroupie/status/766842090294693888

Is North Korea really shit or not? Or is this just more tankie bullshit?

Do you think NK looks like Mordor? they have roads and postal services and all the mundane shit like that
they also have concentration camps, famine, and a government sex-slave ministry. The country is shit, it's fair to say. Fuck Kim.

Best Korea is based.

Saudis should be fucking nuked along with that big black box idol they profit from.

why do you think this?

If it resists American imperialism, it's good enough for me tbh.

Because it's true.

I'm asking you to justify your beliefs. why do you believe millions of people and their holy site should be killed?

Because i hate Muslims.

how important do you think 23 million people and some minerals is to the American empire? how have the global exploitation of America in any way been constrained by North Korea, and how does that justify a society with literal slaves? Nazi Germany also resisted American Imperialism.

NK might be revisionist scum, but Saudis are much worse by all accounts.

It actually is.

Yeah. "Leftists". You forgot quotes.

Why do you hate Muslims enough that you would kill them? and there are non-muslims who live in Saudi Arabia as well.

They follow a primitive desert cult whose ideas simply do not belong in modern world. Islam is in itself completely opposed to progress and decent, civilized coexistence with other cultures and religions.

Islam will be either reformed so it can adapt to modern world or it shall be wiped out completely so it doesn't pose any threat to peace and progress anymore. Otherwise have fun being ruled by literal religious fascists.

There are many "reformed" muslims and muslims who reject the primitive parts of the religion. in fact, as early as 700 AD, North African Muslim scholars were writing that the age of Jihad was over, and that calls of violence in the Quran were strictly historical. are these not real Muslims? If they are not real Muslims, why are we killing them? what about Movie Star Shah Ruhk Khan, or Harvard Professor Reza Aslan? do they need to be killed?

Why are you trying to reason with him nigga?

Those reformed Muslims are treated as outright apostates by "real" Muslims, those who follow/support Sharia law.

Studies have shown that vast majority of Muslims follow/support Sharia.

The problem is in Islam itself as an ideology. Islam isn't just a simple religion, it is a whole ideological system that tends to control all aspects of society and all aspects of one's life.

This control, as i said, cannot coexist with other cultures and religion, as Sharia law clearly labels everyone else as kaffirs, and treats them as second-rate citizens who are horribly discriminated and deprived of basic civic rights.

In north Korea i can get a gf or a bf
In Saudi Arabia i get jailed for even trying

Easy pick
I hate my own fucking country so fucking much

your numbers still show there are millions and millions of innocent people who follow Islam. These are not substantive numbers, and are extrapolations from limited surveys, and those who might express support for "Sharia should rule" may not be firm in that belief, and would try to enforce it. 1.62 billion Muslims includes children, infants, and the infirm. furthermore, if you hate Muslims because they are intolerant, discriminatory, and violent, where does that leave you, who said he wanted to kill millions of Saudi Arabians? And again, what do you plan to do when you get to people like musician Alaa Wardi, or the athlete Sarah Attar?
You say you want to kill millions of people, yet I doubt you've even murdered one Muslim. Why is that? it's not lack of opportunity, as there are 3 million Muslims in America. even if you live in Japan, there are still 300,000 Muslims. if you are physically weak, you still have ample ability to murder Muslim children or the elderly.

Tell me about yourself. I actually have a cousin who works in construction in medina.

Been there once too, it's pretty. Also al baik fried chicken is the best fried chicken on earth

Are you literate? Why do you put words in my mouth? I never stated i want to kill ALL fucking Muslims in the world, i clearly said i want to nuke Saudi Arabia specifically (and that's not a bad thing either). It isn't about the physical existence of Muslims per se, the real problem lies in its very own heart, the ideology of ISLAM. As any ideology, Islam can lose hearts and minds of people just as it can win them. The key to defeating Islam is education and spreading the word that not all knowledge lies in the book of some 1500 year old desert pedophile warlord.

They don't want to reeducate themselves? They don't want to get civilized? They still want to follow their barbaric beliefs? Kill them. Kill them as you would kill any other fascist or reactionary, because that's what they essentially are.

How do you expect to fight in tomorrow's revolution if you're opposed to its very core, the violence? Or maybe you aren't a communist, maybe you're just a bleeding-heart liberal who puts #notallmuslim hashtags everywhere?

These are statistically respresentative surveys from the most reputable consulting and polling groups in the world. These millions you are talking about are dwarved by hundreds of millions that are opposed to them. The truth is that it's really hard to find a so-called 'moderate' Muslim that holds backwards opinions which wouldn't make the average citizen of a western country shiver in disgust, let alone on this board.

Islam is not just a religion but it also has a political dimension. It's undeniably also a political ideology and a disgusting one I might add.

Tell, me would you be as apologetic if we were talking about Nazis here? Would you argue with me about the small minority of Nazis that just label themselves as such and don't actually hold the surpremacist views over other races that are actually very similar to what Islam and the average Muslim in the world says about other religions and non-believers? Tell me.

I am a huge faggot
Pretty only from the outside bud

yeah. Pope Benedict was in the Hitler Youth. The entire society of Germany at that time, except for a small counter culture was firmly in the pocket of the Nazis. If the Americans started exterminating the towns they came across when they crossed into Germany, that would be a bad thing.

Nearly all in the united states are moderate. I myself was raised as one. Maybe its different in yurop, I don't know

I don't think that children and infants have the capacity to make up their minds about religious and political ideologies. People are born without religion until they are indoctrinated into believing when they are older. There are no Muslim or 'Catholic children' like there are conservative or communist children. There are only children of Muslim parents.

How did you even manage to become a communist?

I live in India btw, and the reason I was in Saudi Arabia is to take my mother to hajj since she felt she had to before she died. I remember how disgusted she was when she saw Mecca as a capitalist metropolis with skyscrapers literally right next to the Kaaba.

Tell me, are you a native or immigrant? What's your life like?

North Korea because it makes us look worse.

and yet the graph shows there to be 1.62 billion Muslims. this means it has to be including Children, the mentally disabled, and everyone else who is "culturally" Muslim in that. Hence, the chart is purporting there are 250 Million Children age 0-14 who are prepared to kill adulterers. or a bit less than the entire population of America has been unfairly implicated.

Even a big chunk of so-called 'moderate' Muslims in the US hold views that are staunchly conservative and reactionary as fuck.

If what you say is true then you are the minority of the minority of the minorirty.

And now that we are talking about anecdotes, I can tell you from my own experience that it doesn't take a lot of conversation and scratching of the surface to reveal the true self of so-called moderate Muslims in the west.

They might act friendly and polite while interacting with you but they would still prefer to live in a society where their religion dominates all aspects of the lfe of others in a heartbeat.

Well child-soldiers aren't that uncommon in Islam.

contrasted with those who are friendly and polite while interacting with you but still prefer to kill you and millions of other innocent people in atomic hellfire.

I agree they tend to be conservative but not any more than your average American conservative. Same guy btw.

#NotAllSuicideBombers

Damn, fucking roasted

We've done it. We're surpassed Holla Forums in retardation.

Whose we? It's just one guy

Only Mecca.

The American Christian right is an anomaly in the Western world(people are more liberal) while even a 'moderately conservative' or whatever Muslim is the minority of the minority in the Muslim world(people are way more conservative).

So you are telling me that Muslims living in Western countries are a bit not as openly hostile and bloodthirsty as followers from countries where Islamic law is applied? Well, no shit. Of course a part of them will be influenced by western thoughts on how a country is supposed to be run, freedom of religions and secularism.

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That's what the allied forces actually did with their bombing campaigns, even targeting hospital cities, you know.

correlation =/= causation

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Top Kek

what a beautiful graph

Ignore the tankies

Wew lad replied to the wrong comment

As a leftcom, I'd probably get killed in NK a few minutes before I would be in SA.

Saudi Arabia funds ISIS and uses Hajj as an exploitation of Muslims for economic gain from the tourism. North Korea at least keeps to itself for the most part.

NK just fuck's up its own people. They have no power on the world stage.

The comparison will be pretty skewed because we don't much about what's going on in North Korea beside few testimonies and official propaganda. We know to an extent how shit is Saudi Arabia, but far less about NK.
What i know is that Saudi Arabi policies had more effect over my country than North Korea tough…

The standard of living is better in Saudi Arabia and that is the one and only reason its better than North Korea.

Right it just sends you all your brothers and sisters, parents, children cousins and anyone related to you within three generations to labor camps for life if you steal. Much better.

Sharia states that the youngest a fighter can be is 16.

Saudi's can leave saudi-arabia, north-koreans can't leave north korea.

The saudi's actually want their theocracy, the north-koreans would all get out if they ever got the chance.

North Korea is democratic. The bourgeois is feeding you lies.

youtube.com/watch?v=-ItHEYhxaw4

What's his excuse for not fleeing to north-korea?

After all, KKKanada is a fascist white supremacist islamophobic bourgoise terror state.

you realize who you sound like right now, right?