What are some good left organizations to join besides Antifa?

What are some good left organizations to join besides Antifa?

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if you're canadian the marxist-leninist party

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what country ? also make sure to start/join a local student union if youre in school

Explain.


UK.

all they do is attack other proletarians and they also just attack about any nationalist, dude they attack anyone who's a patriot here, fuck them.

socialistparty.org.uk/

i think libcom is based there no
but heres the first thing i found

Useful idiots for fascism tbh. No reason to keep them around.

how is that a bad thing?

for non specific uk people

socialistalternative.org/
pslweb.org/
socialistworld.net/
iww.org/
newsds.org/

I do hate the fact they attack other proletarians but attacking Nationalists is good and if you think it isn't then you're wrong.

If you're in Scotland then the Glasgow Marxists.

I see no problem there.

Anti-imperialist patriotism.
most nationalists i've seen here are against most authority and want to remove kebab with militias and not via the state,
Also these nationalists in my country are heavilly anti-capitalistic, it's weird but it's like that, when every party here is on the left quadrant y'know, except the neocons
also protectionism is a good tool against the neoliberal globalist monster.
Just look at it, all that imported labour is just gonna serve porky because europeans have a big marxist heritage (at least in my country) and aren't docile enough.
Pro-immigration idpol cunts are literally porky's useful idiots>>871227

Nice memes. Patriotism and nationalism are at best useless and at worst fascist.

m-muh human nature though

And this is why alt-right is gaining support with each day while you faggots do nothing but daydream about global revolution.

how is life living in a meme?

pretty comfy

USSR practiced civic nationalism which is not a bad thing when you have to unite the proletariat against the capitalist nations. Nazi retard-tier ethnonationalism would've got you shot.

sieg heil mein fürher! wir mussen die intolérance ausrotten. für das vaterland. arbeit macht frei!

nobody is attacking them for having opinions, they are being attacked because actions and organisations have consequences in the real world
nazis and fascists are not just an idea or something to compare people to as a (non) argument, they actually want to come into power and kill people

and those attacks are happend because people are sjw pussies who get butthurt because other people doesn't share their views

Muh patriotism deserves to be attacked

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Obama did 9/11 USA USA

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there's literally no difference between patriotism and nationalism

prove me wrong

Fuck them Both!

Being spooked is not a justification to be lynched.

You are no comrade of mine

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Whats this "antifa attacks proles" meme mean anyway

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Proles can be fascist.

Lel

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no fucking shit. Being a prole doesn't automatically make you a class conscious comrade and many of them will most certainly fuck you up for being a socialist.

This is why us anarchists aren't taken seriously.

Anti-fascist action is so funny to me, because they show up, protest a little and are supposed to "keep the streets safe from Nazis" by beating up retarded whitetrash degenerates.

But why don't they beat up bankers? why don't you see antifa ganging up on Wallstreet vampires? Oh no they gotta beat up the dumb kids who say nigger on facebook because that's much more trascendental.

If you're gonna use violence, then go all the way, do some real damage for fucks sakes.

So mutch for the protection of God.

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Antifa is the organization that shuts down public wrong think, you're literally the hall monitors of the political world

where the fuck do you live that being shot by street "fascists" is so inevitable you have to go beat people up preemptively

join SHARPS or start a chapter

this.

we are not going there…not again…antifa is important, valid, and more than stupid hooliganry…

Do you have any evidence?

Your vagina isn't evidence :^^^^^^)

yah forgot to take off the shitposting flag…

well…im in an antifa group…
and pay attention to what other groups do…

Agitation, organisation,in depth research (into police and right-wing activites for example)
Antifa groups do all that…
(in addition to hooliganry, which isnt automatically stupid)

Are you talking about neo nazis

Antifas are useful idiots who are on our side. The "attacking innocent muh proles" meme is retarded, some of these proles will be the first to slit our throat when a revolution happens

Because the left serves the bankers.

Same reason leftists hate nationalism. Nationalism is a barrier to jewish power.

You guys realize that most leftist movements that achieved anything were at some point fueld by the idea of national liberation against capitalist imperialism.

Patriotism is a spook, but it's power can be harnessed to transfer national consciousness towards class consciousness. If you beat up anybody that simply cares for his country you kill off revolutionary spirit and divide the working class.

Also "all proles are fascist" is a fucking meme and you simply fall for fascist propaganda. Fascism never came into power through mass movement, but through coup d'état or degenerate elements within the liberal state that. Hitler was actually never elected in a fair unbiased election. Fascism at this point is just a huge boogeyman for the left and that makes elements like the absolutely useless and retarded AntiFa useful idiots.

Lel

back to >>>Holla Forums

Prove me wrong

I doubt that, unless you are talking about the Holla Forumssters because they say the same shit

Sure although I think realising how shit your position is even in the most ideal version of muh country is a much better motivator. Turmpsters and the alt-right think everything will be ok and there won't be any problems as long as we "make American great again". They don't know shit about class, its all due to the globalists. What your desricibng is a group of people that band together to fight some sort of foreign enemy and thus build their society from scratch around principles of equality. Not sure how the fuck that applies to America or anywhere else unless you stretch the definition of "foreign" and point the finger at the U.N. or something. And lo and behold, you are back to where you started and are a pol/ack

Which isn't what they do though, they specifically target fascists. Or are you buying into the pol/ memes?

All fascisits are nationalists, you havn't even tried to draw a strong disconnect between these two concepts.

But mass movement did help fuel that fascist parties that took power.

kek

What are you evne talking about? How the fuck does AntiFa help proky?

white people are shit anyway and the prime defenders of capitalism and neoliberalism

First off I'm not a Burger and American Nationalism is kinda shit because it is the accumulation point of global capital so there are no real foreign elements that tread on US sovereignty -> ergo any sort of fight against national liberation will just be a racist or antisemitic circlejerk.
Second, people for example oppose TPP and TTIP not because they wanna spread communism but because they see their national institutions - which they perceive as servants in their interest and upholding the law - undermined by private courts. They turn to the Alt-Right because they see the left perpetuating neoliberalism by rejecting national sovereignty and disregarding the concerns of an average prole and therefore never even get close to despooking somebody because of an aggressive approach towards everybody who doesn't follow muh ideology.


I haven't seen a skinhead for years now and their numbers are dwindling and the AntiFa shows up at populist center-right rallies, magically almost always when the neoliberal elite is in danger of being replaced in elections.

I wasn't using it in a cultural way, you fucking retard. The same way people describe the USSR as a degenerate workers state you can as well describe the Weimer Republic as a degenerate liberal state.

By never going against capitalism, by receiving money from liberal foundations, by being shills and basically being Idpol idiots that have never read a book in their entire life. Anti-fascism is fine if there is an actual fascist menace but I haven't seen one in the west since 1945 so I prefer to be anti-capitalist.

Hey man, its not our fault they stupid

Learn to read bro, I am referring to the pol/ack worldivew that its all

Good for you, pic related.

Are you sure you aren't from pol/?

And I still think its funny, hence the kek

Its kind of interesting how you have "not seen a skinhead for years" but are intimately familiar enough with AntiFa's to make all these sweeping statements about them.

I thought you said you weren't a burger? But its real in Europe and Australia so unless you are blind im not sure where you are writing from

Please nobody listen to this idiot. The CPC ML are absolute shit and basically liberals.
cpcml.ca/program/

You are going to make an argument at some point?

Guess what there is power struggle among capitalist ideologies and entities as well, they are not some hive mind. Thinking that all capitalists work together is/pol/-tier level like "da joohs". Of course the globalist orientated neoliberals agitate against the rising of the center-right isolationism. Hence, the useful idiots that can't decipher the differences between global capital and socialist internationalism

I'd count myself as part of left so I usually are in contact with people from the left so at least I have more than are few anecdotal evidences unlike with Nazis since I'm not giving a shit about them. Are you this autistic?

Show me, fucking where. The last ones where Salazar and Franco and both turned out to be actually reactionary liberals.

reactionary = soci.ally conservative. New wordfilter?

No, I agree with that but the way you are writing this its as if you would prefer the fascists win. What evidence do you have that these movements that are suppressed will turn into anything other than Golden Dawn part 2?

So then shouldn't you be more worried about a growing fascist movement that you can't see than a growing SocDem movement that you can?

Do you have any anecdotal evidence of your friends being given shill bucks by these neoliberal outlets? Because that would be interesting to hear (even if it is anecdotal). Because at the moment this just seems to be a rant about a group that otherwise aren't hurting your cause. As I demonstrated before, rarely do nationalist mass movements turn into class conscious leftists.

No. Are you conspiratorial?

I already did.

Here are more. Some of these examples are in Australia but still

Now answer the question, where do you come from if not Europe, Australia and Burgerland?

uhhhhh

Fascists have been known to publicly stab/shoot people in Greece, 'execution' style

Because the people making up the movement are petit bourgeoisie that are not programmed towards fascism and simply wanna put the middle finger towards the establishment.
If you want Nazis, you need to have, well, Nazis first.

kek, fascists are SocDems except the democracy part. Joke aside, declaring neoliberal globalist mainstream as "SocDem" probably doesn't help. S█████ was a SocDem, Clinton isn't.

I'm from Europe but I was in Australia when you guys had your election and I didn't notice Australia First winning significantly?

Except almost everytime there was a socialist revolution, of which there are, as you know, not too many.
Also I hate to say it but by its origins, nationalism is originally a left ideology evolved against the feudal borderless conglomerate prior to the French Revolution. It only later got perverted by the right wing, but in its inception it was all for solidarity with other peoples and not for chauvinism.

Yes they do, they make everybody hate us. And in Europe, it's kind of an open secret that often AntiFa is controlled opposition. They often get money from cultural subsidies that go into liberal foundations that focus on fighting extremism, hate speech, etc and then eventually ends up with the AntiFa because the connection between tumblresque SJW bloggers that complain about Pagan Metal and AntiFa is really fluent here.

Then why does the AntiFa say fucking nothing about the actual right-wing death squads in the Ukraine after the Maidan? Oh right, because they are neoliberal puppets. Ukrainian AntiFa are Nazis because Putin I guess.

Id like to see you demonstrate why these fascist movements aren't. i would also like an explanation as to why, if they are in fact petit bourgeoisie with a nationalist edge, they shouldn't be suppressed. Because that really goes to the heart of your argument, doesn't it?

There is a difference between "doesn't help" and "bad" yeah?

You didn't notice One Nation's star candidate, Pauline Hanson, won a seat? You really are a stupid motherfucker.

kys tbh

Is this just another bitch-fest about "nopt real leftists"?

Yeah, and its stupid.


Pic related, Ukraine Antifa

You my friend are intellectually dishonest.

But fucking… Islam is authoritarian

And so are fascists. Which one is more dangerous?

They are both more dangerous

Thats not a sentence

Facists are more dangerous because they are white islamists

Islamists are more dangerous because they are brown facists

Thats the most reductive, stupid, not an argument I've ever seen

hahah good joke

Lived in the UK until recently, as a former member of Left Unity I can recommend them if youære looking for people who aren't ideological purists. If youære after zeal I would say the SWP, I'm not with them politically but in terms of sheer commitment they are amazing. Other than that, community branch unions, trade unions, students unions.

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Nothing wrong here :^)

fuck patriots

When will this retarded meme die?

Catalonia

They're both dangerous fam, authoritarianism is dangerous, whatever it may be.

Yeaaah right…

I wonder what could go wrong…

Internationalist or you aren't a socialist in my book.

Ho

How does one even find their local antifa?