How many of leftypol's userbase is actually proletarian...

proles are proles.

Not necessarily, but you are significantly more likely to. Your average prole earns a pittance in comparison; a lucky outlier or two is not the norm.

Does having a two story house count as full bourgeoisie or just petite-bourgeoisie?

READ MARX YOU UTTER FOOL

I'm quite possibly the poorest among us.

Meh, it's fleeting. An independent plumber with his own company is not proletariat, but the plumber working for him is, even if they make approximately the same. An educated machinists can get pay that far exceeds the profit some guy makes from his family business. It's hardly like all proles live in the slum with the lumpens.

Petit if you're renting it out, but if don't you could very well be proletariat.

Quite possible.

can i be a prole if i have a trust fund?

OP pls tell us you got to decide on the colors of the pie chart when you made the poll. I feel Strawpoll might be sentient otherwise.

Quite indeed.

My mother was the second in command of a local, non-profit organization for troubled teens (mentally ill kids, abuse victims, I think maybe petty criminals), and made about $100,000/year until I was 12 or so. My dad was total prole, sometimes lumpen. It was just the three of us. We didn't live lavishly and actually lived in the "poor" (lower middle class) side of town, which would piss my dad off, but we obviously didn't have to worry about money.

Did I have a prole or petit-bourg upbringing? I've never been able to tell.

My dad is bus driver, my mom's a carer.
Both get cheated by unfair tax system, that favours the rich and fucks the poor.
Proletarian enough?

I'm making around 400+ dolars a year. Yeah that's four HUNDRED, not thousand.

How? Are you an actual pirate?

I believed you when you said this but I didn't think you'd be that poor.

Where ya live, comrade? May the revolution come quickly so you don't have to suffer like this.

*How can you live of that?

Lumpenprole. Always lived in substandard rented houses, never had the best food and only a few luxuries at any one time. Anything decent I have is either a gift or the result of years of work.

Currently NEET searching fruitlessly for work. Pic related.

I wish!

I'll

give y'all a hint.

My dad makes a shitton of money, but he's a cancer reasercher.

What class am I?

I'm a prole in Mexico. I had to support my parents and brothers as the only breadwinner for a year because my dad couldn't get a job because people discriminate against his age group and my mom was taking care of a relative dying from cancer from exposure to a chemical in an industry throughout some years.

Feels good man.

Is this another attempt to justify the stereotype "commies are just edgy bourgie kids"?

..Are you Zizek?

suuuure, non profit.

You live in somalia? I heard the cost of living there is pretty low too.

please answer, I've never known

No comrade. I'm Venezuelan.

Then why do you make dollars?

Prole, but only if your dad doesn't have any substantial investments.

i'm converting for your convenience, comrade. Jeez.

(and erveryone)
What are well-to-do white collar state employees without executive power? Imagine civil engineers/ inspectors or something like that?

They produce a service for the government and have no say or ownership over their workplace. Due to competition in the market it is almost guaranteed that they are not being paid the full price of their labour.

Thus they are proles.

it was a joke

We have stocks in a company that makes cancer drugs, but I don't know how much.

Poe's law tho

"We have stock" doesnt mean shit. My dad also owns stock.

200 euros of stock, that is. Owning one or two out of a million doesnt do very much for your power.

Yeah the pay is sketchy as hell, but it is non-profit. Doesn't mean they're using that funding correctly. However, to be fair, it's a lot of work. She'd work 60 hours a week, and had two masters degrees in relevant, respected studies at the time which isn't that much, but most people don't have that level of education.

She quit when I was in middle school. I'm 18 now, and since I was about 16, she's been making $50,000 or so and has a doctorate. Same sort of high-ranking position at a non-profit organization, but this time it's way smaller than before, and the pay is pretty standard.

probably not more then a million or two

a million dollars in stock?!?

What are well-to-do proles who have invested some of their income in real estate and now get a part of their income through work and part of their income through capital? Petite bourgeoisie?

My dad worked in construction and later cleaned pools and my mom worked in hospital administrtion. He has been self-employed for over a decade, but in all honesty he's a contractor for a manufacturer because that's cheaper on their end than having employees. Does that make me a prole or a petit-bourgeois?

I'd say it qualifies as Petit then, he's got limited ownership of the means of production, and also profit from the labour ot the workers who don't have stock.

Yes

My dad worked with an important person in the company in the past

rage sage

I think I'm prole. My daddy enlisted in the military because he was too broke to raise a family. Hated the fuck out of it and constantly spoke against the military industrial complex. Quit to became a day laborer, leveled up to a craftsman, leveled up to a foreman, leveled up to a civil service foreman. Fucked his whole gaht dang body up working himself that hard. I reaped the bulk of the rewards get to go to college and now I have a cushy inside job in a field I have a passion for. Am I prole?

What theoretically happens to petits in a revolution? what happens to people with nice cars?

Social status and one's relation to production are on two different axes. Socialist to tend have trouble with that.

Solidly working class from a working class background. No college degree here

I work retail
Mother is a nurse
Her parents started as a nurse/tradesman but worked their way up to own a bakery.
To my knowledge my ancestors prior to that were all proles.

I suspect this is fairly typical story here tbh

Depends I guess: if you join the revolution you're good, although you may be persuaded to integrate in the new economic system (although this would likely start from the biggest companies to the smallest).

Here's what Lenin has to say about the middle peasants, an owning class: youtube.com/watch?v=X_Jn4gdwls8&feature=youtu.be

sounds nice tbh :3

i didn't have an internet connection from 2012 to 2014 because i didn't have enough money and my mother worked in a factory until they outsourced her job and my father is dead

i think i might be a prole

How many people on average tell you "Why are you a socialist? Don't you know what is happening in Venezuela?"

In Australia anyone with a high school education can get a degree. We have a ststem where the government pays for your degree which you automatically pay back once your income reaches a certain amount. Compared to the American system its pretty damn fair.
Note that for a period baby boomers had free tertiary education.

wrong video me thinks

kek, what does it say about me, that I always seem to have youtube links relevant to communism in my clipboard?

Either way, here you go:
youtube.com/watch?v=lzf3FRSbEUk

Why'd you make me watch that godawful video? I know the killing part wasn't real, but that strapped to the wall part certainly looked real. If it was, I unironicly want the director to be beaten senseless.

They lose ownership of the means of production, or have to share it with the workers to be more precise.
Don't rightly know about cars, depends on what type of revolution I guess. Might get to keep it, probably not.
Doubt anyone will put you against the wall unless you side with the capitalists, *you're probably gonna side with the capitalists*

No I fucking won't, you asswipe.

sorry ._.

good, no problem then.

Not something I've ever had to deal with to be honest.

My two kitties are like my children. If I was in charge of things, one of the things I'd do day one would be to make purposeful harm of cats a gulagable offense.

Class isn't determined by the arbitrary amount of cash you take home, nor is it some sort of hereditary caste system, it's based on your relation to the productive process.

Specifically, do you sell your own labor, or do you own means of production (and therefore buy other people's labor).

I'm not who you're responding too, but I understand. I have a 16 year old cat I've had since I was a toddler, and a kitten, and a dog (that beat cancer, I love her so much), and they're definitely like my children. I would support prisons or capital punishment in the commune for animal abusers. That shit's pathological. Irredeemable past age 15 or so.

not hereditary, but ownership is inheritable, so class is to, to a certain extent.

why does this have aristocracy but not peasantry

stop erasing my class tbh

Stop trying to turn class into an identity.
Class is not about wealth (or perception of wealth) but the relationship to the means of production.

who the fug is traditional aristocracy here

Kim comes here to shitpost some times. The rest are just trolls.

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NEET right now but my parents work for the gubermint

dads a po-po. mom works at some gov-funded communication company.
prole enuff?

my mother was a teacher and my father was a printer.

I'd say my parents are both prole, although my mother was sort of petit-bourg before (father's a refrigeration mechanic and my mom was a manager for several fashion-related firms but quit that job a few years ago, studied nursing and became the actual nurse she is now at a private home for the elderly).

I'd say I'm a prole/self-employed prole. I'm a translator-interpreter and work freelance on a subcontract basis doing commissions for private firms translating manuals, books and other documents. Ever since the state cut down on funding its interpreting cabinets and privatized like 75% of it and everyone including me subsequently got fired, I've been forced to do freelance because firms are no longer obliged to offer long-term contracts post-third wave of neoliberal economic reforms.