The Incompatibility of general Holla Forums Ideology and Mass Society

I've been thinking a lot and have been coming to some worrying conclusions. Before I get into it, I want to lay out some observations and generally accepted conclusions. This is a very difficult subject to get to the bottom of, but I hope you will bear with me because I believe it is extremely important

I'll begin getting to the meat of it here. Generally the anons of this board (myself included) strive for a society that serves a higher purpose; a purpose that facilitates our desire to grow, achieve greatness, care for our kin, and thus honor our ancestors and traditions. My chief concern (to which I invite criticism), is that a society as technologically developed, highly populated, and resource dependent is subject to unsustainable levels of societal entropy. If human beings are factional, we must always unite in the face of an "other". As we do not want to repeat the mistakes of the past, we tend towards wanting a brotherhood of European nations, but if we conquer/eradicate/subjugate the rest of the planet together, there will come a point yet again where the resource supply is insufficient and the conclusion reached will be that killing each other is far easier than mining asteroids. However, the state of international affairs is the least of my concerns. As has occurred with liberal governments since the turn of the century, the dissonance between government espoused values and the real strategic economic needs of the nation will generate societal instability. It is impossible in such a future that the internet will remain a free domain of discourse, as we have discovered through our own toils, it is extremely easy to subvert, divide, and create false narratives and ultimately a "post-truth" mentality in the population. Before the internet, if you thought you were a trans dragon otherkin megafaggot, you were publicly shamed and went on with your life, now such people use the internet to find each other and develop their own closed off communities. Tradition and strong identity prevents this, but only so much. Society always has its losers, and they can't be allowed to find each other through unfettered dialogue, and breath a sense of rebellious righteousness into their plight where no legitimate plight exists. The crux of this is that the more people you have in a society, the less self-worth each individual will feel and seek smaller communities of greater trust. The government, which in time will lose sight of its humanistic identity (NS/fascist/european), will focus on mechanistic and economic priorities which will inevitably lead to spiritual and political subjugation. The memes of tradition and ancestors will, through mass communication and citizen disenfranchisement, become "memed-to-death".

TLDR we need to kill 9/10 of the world population and go back to simpler lifestyles because the mechanisms that preserve mass-society are inherently anti-human.

I don't see the problem with this.

I disagree with this. That is only true if we learn nothing and not only carry on as before but also start breeding like niggers.

The biggest source of the "societal entropy" you speak of is the removal of natural selection, having conquered nature, and failing to replace it with anything equivalent or better. A cornerstone of National Socialist doctrine was the need for guided selection to ensure every generation is better than the last; and that undesirable traits are removed where possible and minimized where not. This also includes consciously working towards ensuring that the population as a whole does not get itself into unsustainable conditions.

Disenfranchise all non-whites, make them second class citizens that Whites can legally kill for a host of infractions.

Or start going offworld. Granted, genociding all nonwhites would reduce the population by about 88%.

Good points. I think the trickiest part is balancing technological convenience with conditions that don't make people into lazy indulgent sacks of shit. The ideal in my mind is the restoration of the artisan class, which should be able to exist when production doctrine isn't focused on selling cheap throw-away garbage to third-worlders and the poor.

Why would these two follow? All modern fascist states throughout history have all realized the problems that mass society face, and have instated different kinds of solutions. Hitlerjugend, to name one, certainly had as a goal in part to help fighting the degeneration of man in mass society.

To me the question isn't wether mass society is possible or not. The question would be wether its worth the cost of it or not.

Globalist Nazi Illuminati is that you!? Where can I sign up for this plan and make tons of money and possibly fame doing it? Do I have to hang out with Beyounce? Because I can't do that

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My worry is that we do not know how a fascist state persists or changes beyond a few decades (not that it isn't worth trying to go farther). A post-Hitler Nazi Germany comes to mind when assuming what would happen if they won the war. How long do the principles and the memory of their glory persist? A constant enemy is a constant reminder of the virtues we need to survive, but in a world without commies, kikes, muds, what do we have to remind us of the real danger that abandoning these ideas brings?

There are mechanisms for keeping these virtues in the population for sure (Hitlerjugend), but the lack of struggle and the entertainment of that technology and mass communication brings will erode these over time as they had in post-WW2 USA.

There needs to be established some kind of homeostasis of natural selection and meaningful struggle. Something I believe only may exist in a very vacant world, where the people have a lot of Lebensraum to live off the land and depend little on industrialized society.

Go back to your penis fellating forum.

autistic brainstorm below
i mean, video games have created some pretty intresting environments where people are allowed to develop some characteristics such as bravery, mastery, discipline. World of Warcraft comes to mind. These games have without a doubt created lots of degeneracy, but in my own life they have contributed lots in my own development of my masculine virtues. Maybe if you do video games right they could be a replacement of the need for "meaningful struggle"

Maybe the struggle could be: To avoid descending into degeneracy in mass society.

If this is made an important enough part of society, combined with the efforts of artists and philosophers. Films and music. Certainly people will naturally incline towards the right mindset without mass society. But, im not ready to throw away mass society just cause it seems like it might be difficult to sustain.

I imagine that a good middleground can be found however. Establish settlements in "vacant parts of the world", this can be in lots of places where youll be able to find plenty of lebensraum after getting rid of the niggers. These settlements would by their nature retain their virtues, and should mass society fail, atleast youll have the settlements.

'Holla Forums ideology' is a joke, if you take it seriously you're missing the point. It's just NEETs roleplaying as cartoon villains while pretending to be pure flawless aryans whose shit doesn't stink. Hell, most posters here aren't even fucking white.

Nigger we persuaded the American Population Last Year to Achieve Our Goals in such a Way that it put the kikes to shame.
The World Is Ours.

Stop Capitalizing Words That Aren't The First Of The Sentence Or A Proper Noun You Double Nigger.

Here I can sum it all up with one sentence: autistically screeching about 14/88 GTKRWN niggerdeath while using Nazi imagery doesn't win people over. The Nazis were a brief thing and in the end were losers. Think up your own shit, leave the Nazi stuff buried in the past where it belongs. Redpill people on the JQ but going full Wehraboo is not the way to do it.

MUH PR

Howdy Iron March.

fuck off faggot nobody had ever heard of that shit before the 15 threads of TRS garbage

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What about this is D&C? I only want a discussion on crafting healthy and long lasting societies.

I agree with your point about the stability of a society being reliant upon it's ability to secure resources. Also that the preoccupation with material wealth can lead to moral bankruptcy of a societies populace. I can understand your line of reasoning in regard to the creation of opposing factions and maybe we do need a purge to fix the situation we're in now.

However, I am not convinced this is an inherent or inevitable outcome of mass-societies. The problem we are currently seeing arises from the fact that societies have grown faster than they would have, due to certain conditions that allowed for rapid development.

The largest contributor is by far the central banks and their control of the money supply. Limitless loans have upset the balance, allowing for continued war, business, govt programs, that should have ceased or failed. Money has been siphoned from wealthy countries to poor countries, all through central and world banks, propping up failed societies; Removing natural selection, as: puts it. Although, we didn't fail to replace it. The free market would have been a fair substitute, but it was subverted and the shitty system we have now was actively put in place, by Rothschild, Morgan, Warbug, Shiff, etc, for their benefit.

It is through this limitless money supply that societies were able to industrialize and populate so quickly. The money allowed civilization to evolve in an unnatural way, growing societies that should have died out, been conquered, or might have been able to advance on their own, given more time. Instead, the weak have been "assimilated," are being taken care of, and worse being "weaponized" in the way you stated OP. But it's all one giant bubble and one day it's gonna pop.

It is my belief that you can't possibly hope to correct the system while allowing the money supply to be manipulated the way it currently is. If it does remain so, then you may need a purge every 250 years, but everything else is just polishing a turd.

That is (((their))) plan user, you have become Jew.

You need to go back to Libertarian phase, the only reason this is true now is because we have a fractional reserve banking system, and the oil for dollars scam going.

We need to start exporting shit, and use that to build up the rest of the world to achive growth again, instead of through population growth.

Nothing wrong with this, let Fur fags have their own country, just get them out of mine.

Holla Forums is just a frontier ideology without a frontier. Holla Forums longs for the lebensraum to become Übermensch but the earth was bought and paid for 100 years before they were born. They've tried to escape to the psuedofrontier of the digital only to realize its a caricature of real human experience.

I fear you are 100% correct.

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Can you imagine that world?


These feels… For me I can only clearly see how bad it is now when I compare it to how things could be.

Nonwhite detected

This is absolutely possible arrangement OP. I like your idea very much, I was thinking about problems which your suggestion can be solution to.
I cannot contribute however so have a bump.

Here comes the TRS D&C against Holla Forums's NatSoc roots. Stay vigilant lads. Report anti-natsoc PR cuckery posts.

To clarify, I did not mean to criticize NS. It is the closest thing to ever grace the earth that combined mass society with pagan values. See

You shills really need to change the format of your shitposts. You're so bad at this that we spot your bullshit within THE FIRST SENTENCE.

You've been thinking about all the black dick you'll be sucking once Shlomo gives you some shekels to buy chicken for your boyfriend Tyrone.


Of course you do snowflake. all the thoughts that come to you while emptying your bowels and jerking off to cartoons is of the utmost importance.

Listen you little faggot, where in the OP is there even an iota of cucking out to kikes or watering down our beliefs? You didn't read more than three sentences before you sperged out like a retard.

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