Objective discussion on Monotheism vs Polytheism

This is by no means meant to divide us eg: Christians vs Pagans, its just a mature, objective look at the best spiritual foundation to make progress with in terms of becoming Ubermensch/transcendant beings.

If the discussion does degenerate into competitive banter at least have thick enough skin to laugh it off as men do in sports teams, building sites etc. Only mommas boys cry "sage, d&c, shut it down" etc. Remember what it is to be objective and at the end of the day we are all unified by our racial European blood.

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8ch.net/pol/res/8635183.html
creativitymovement.net
philosopher.eu/others-writings/essay-on-wotan-w-nietzsche-c-g-jung/
destructingmessage.com/msg.php?k=z24xd83567
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You can't become an ubermensch by believing in anything, not even your own race. Everything except your self made image.

Recently started studying Nietzsche and his realization that Monotheism in the West had died during the Enlightenment era. It really is a crisis that our people are without any true faith whether they like to admit it or not.

I feel like we have to piece it all back together again, taking from all our knowledge of religion and science and create a new hybrid that even intelligent people can agree upon.

Explain this deeper. What then must we do? And what will be our motivation to endure suffering without faith?

good luck user, but what was the question again?

I found a torrent of Carl Jung pdf's and Audio it seems to be a goldmine. The idea of Archetypes being ancient and deep in the psyche that can show us what is and what we must become.


Basically we need to design a spiritual foundation asap because our former Gods are dead. There's no question. I'm really hoping that some genious autist comes along and lays it all out for us tbh.

I would argue that it's a bad discussion to have at this point. We need white people to be proud, we need white people to be kind to one another and we can't have any more brother wars. I'd argue if we wish to become stronger we should first focus on racial kinship before focusing on racial belief. Either way christianity is far more common than the belief in the old gods right now, the knee jerk reaction from MOST people would be "Lol, like thor and stuff? He's a comic book character. lmoa" or "Oh, so you're wiccan. Okay."

The fact of the matter is that Asatru and Celtic Reconstructionism are both currently under attack from the diversity squad. Before the white man can hearken back to his roots we must tear out those weeds. I don't expect christians to ignore their faith to aid in this prospect so any who do follow Celtic Reconstructionism and Asatru need to do their part right now to carve out the rot, otherwise the old faiths will be nothing but detriment. There is a lot to do before chosing a single faith for our kin were that possible and every faith that exists is tainted with the modern world. Everyone should be doing their part to clean that filth out of their own faith and be working to build kinship with others of your own race. I have been doing my part, I presume others have as well, but we need more people putting forth that effort.

This Poo has a great point on why God is dead and what people should do about it.

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And what do you hope to achieve by that? Does it have anything to do with fulfilling your self interest, that is, delighting you while you're still alive? If not, what's the purpose?


Ubermensch is a person who sees the world as nihil and therefore creates his own truth and shapes the world according to his truth.

Nothing. It's useless. Ubermensch is nothing but a myth, man is always too weak to ignore contradictions and make his own will. Man made will naturally contradicts itself, you'd need to lie to yourself to create a will. Universe is scientifically devoid of meaning. Go die, or just submit to superstition and ignore your meaningless worldly progress.

This is why I emphasize "remain objective". If we're honest and intelligent as great Nietzsche, Voltaire etc were then we would admit that both Christian and Pagan Gods are dead. Theres no going back. All we have are alot of broken pieces and need to create something out of them that allies with science.

We are all racial European brothers. Theres no dividing anyone here. Christian, Pagan etc, even if someone dares to make a joke about it (as men do if youve ever worked or played on a team) is healthy and only makes us stronger as a unit. This is why teams bond. They are open with each other and not afraid to have their ego checked.

To much feminine influence is the cause of wanting such discussions to be did away with because its threatening to babies ego. Step outside, let your opinions die if they need to, and you will grow in wisdom as a man.

Monotheism is closer to the Truth; however, polytheism is more useful.

Jordan Peterson is a great resource for anyone interested in all religions, myths, psychology etc and how they all fit together to form a foundation of Western mankind.

You'd have to explain your reasoning because the evidence suggests that Monotheism no longer speaks to people. Our European people in particular.

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See within yourself. Seek for the inherent reason why there's even a need to save the white race and progress the civilization. Or just a reason to create and become anything at all. The answer is nothing. It's banality.

The goal of this post is to drag you into a pointless discussion.

Insisting that any god is 'dead' is what will kill the conversation you want to have. To anyone with faith, their god may never die. If you're considering 'faith' the belief that people follow an idea, not a genuine divine being, you're going to upset a lot of people who do believe in those divine beings. That insistence will be a point of even more divergence.

It seems that you've just stopped at Nietzsche and not gone into Carl Jungs work who made it his lifes mission to answer the questions Nietzsche left behind.

Archetypes give us meaning and its a great mystery why. I need to study alot more before I can articulate this into a great argument.

You're saying it like there's any point to Holla Forums discussion at all. It's just kids discussing last night's football match to fill the void of their nihilism.

For what its worth, slavs tend to be superstitious while being largely orthodox christians. I think its a relic from the pagan days, but im curious as to why this is. They seem more spiritual in a sense than many westerners.

Perhaps the way christianity was adopted in these regions didn't aggressively force out the old gods?

This is to say that all great philsophers and thinkers were pointless and we should never question anything.

No ones dividing, no ones butthurt, no ones shaming or saying their releigion is better. Its just an adult discussion for the most intelligent people of Holla Forums. If it makes you afraid to ask questions of faith and reality then thats a problem you need to come to terms with before you die, if you want to go in peace.

Funny you say that because when people discuss sports, they look at me all wierd that i dont know any teams, plays or players (i do know what sports exist and their rules however) and i know way too much about history and politics in their eyes.

Ignorance is bliss, i guess.

The world is filled with fact based logic, predictable outcomes, game theory strategies and efficient plans for building or destroying any idea. Materialism is a self contained, self refuting, and all encompassing ideology that has swallowed up religions, political systems and philosophies.


The best spiritual foundation is one that connects human beings to something larger than themselves. Historically this was at various times, nature and animals, the night's sky, great civilizations, war and conquest, exploration and discovery, nationalism and the state.


You have many stretches of time where not much happens in terms of progression with respect to general beliefs or changes with respect to individuals within a group, such as their status, their roles from birth, pre-determined outcomes due to unbreakable monopolies on education and thought and so on. The internet has allowed the third world to witness the incredible abundance and wealth of the western nations. There will be an exodus of billions out of Asia and Africa into Europe and North America, this will lead to the rise of very aggressive national police systems which creates delineated tiers of citizen and immigrant. Jobs for citizens, jobs for immigrants, loans for citizens loans for immigrants, and so on. So for at least the foreseeable future, +/- 200 years we will see the various races of the world leeching onto what the Anglo-American establishment has built, collapsing it as the teeming masses cause critical failures in classical systems regarding freedom, individual and property rights, and the inherent trust that is placed in personage over the necessary protection of the group by introducing limits, rules, regulations.


There are no capitalist nations anymore, every country is some flavor of socialist hell, with a creeping creaking government bureaucracy, waste and inefficiency, reactionary policies and no plans outside of the next quarter, the next budget meeting, the next Fed decision.


Wealth now is measured in free time and travel, something freely accessed by many in the west with permissible passports and high income relative to the rest of the world they are visiting. If you want to revive a dead ideology you need to understand the needs of men and women. Men must expand and dominate, women must nurture and grow.

A lack of a proper education has given you the false impression that if you can change enough hearts and minds you can change the outcomes of the world. A better way to understand it is like a snowball rolling down a hill. It was a snowball in the 1950s, today it is an avalanche, and not even the suicidal islamists have managed to put a dent in this world changing idea, in fact it has warped and twisted their idiocy to it's own benefit and now it's materialism + police state (to protect you against the terrorists).

A generation needs to make a personal sacrifice, so that future generations don't end up brain-dead lifeless corpses plugged into a computer feeding them good times and advertisements. Religion was always a way to deaden(d) people into unknownable unknowns and placate the fear of death. The 19th and 20th centuries showed us that you don't really need to give humans a higher purpose, if you just give them great savings, the best deals; be fat, be rich, be merry.

You do seem extremely nihilistic. Have you seen Jordan Petersons lectures on his maps of meaning youtube series?

youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos/videos

Intelligent people do seem to come to nihilism because it is the first logical step once you seriously question religion. But we must go beyond nihilism and search the infinite depths for meaning. Theres purpose just in that bold adventure itself.

"To boldly go where no man has goen before"

This thread is going to go well.

To the point, it's my opinion that monotheism, the belief that only a single god exists, is not a good thing.
If there is a single God, regardless of your particular faith, all of the good and bad things that happen to you and the people you care about are attributed to this God.
This is usually handwaved as "There is a greater plan in motion that we cant see." or "They probably deserved it" or "They must not have had enough faith." or "You need evil to know what good is." or some variance of such.
It encourages a nihilistic view as your actions could mean didly squat if your God's plan say's so.

Compare to polytheism wherein most gods have defined domains along with various actions that will please / displease them and things that dont cross into this territory will be not cared about.
A god of war wouldnt give a shit if you had a lot of children for instance.
This leads to direct instructions on how to improve your chances with a particular god as a lot of rituals tend to have a practical component along with the spiritual.
To use the god of war example again, it would please him to keep your body and mind in prime physical condition like a warrior takes care of his weapons, so a certain amount of daily exercise could be considered a ritual.

Let's start by asking ourselves what, if any, entity would be fittingly described by the word "God"? When we look to philosofolks like Aquinas, we are introduced to concepts such as omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence. These were the cornerstones of the Christian God, and it is echoed in other traditions like Zoroastrianism. However, as any intro philosophy class will demonstrate, reconciling these traits can be problematic. Omnibenevolence is immediately under question as an omnipotent God would be capable of creating a world without evil or suffering.

This is resolved when we turn to the Hermetic conception of The All, who successfully fulfills omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience by virtue of being that entity which is All. If we run with the All as God, then we are left to side with monotheism, as there can be nothing outside the All.

Farmers pray for good harvests, and soldiers pray for success on the battlefield. If we view the divine as a tool, then it makes more sense for the practitioner to pray to an aspect of the All that is appropriate to his circumstances.

And who is upset? Scientists, great philosophers, anyone with an IQ above 120? No. The only reason anyone would be upset by this discussion is they cannot make themselves objective. They are locked into their belief system because its their pillar of identity "ego".

And whats wrong with being upset anyway? We are men. Shouldnt we be able to have freedom of speech with having to nurse the low IQ babies who are afraid of death?

Remember men, its a masculine trait to be able to remain objective as consciousness while its a feminine trait to be lost in the emotion of life, unable to seperate from matter back into consciousness.

Translation: don't be a crybaby sissy just because the men want to talk about the soul of European civilization.

The concept of The All is best outlined in the Kybalion isnt it? I need to brush up on it but i'm not sure which of my books talk about it at length.

Western europeans gave milk to housecobolds and thought there would be invidible spirits living in the fields who needed to be caught in statues made of rye so they could be helped to survive the winter and fallow fields in this form by getting placed in the barn.

Industrialisation and the mass exodus from the land to the cities ended this+widespread standartised education.
The slavs were not as developed for a longer time so their more archaic beliefs could survive easier.

I don't believe Carl Jung will give any worthwhile answer to the question of secular motivation. It would be all just intellectual masturbation all over again. Archetype creates art, that's it, and art logically has no meaning but to declare our existence. I don't think that meaning is worth living for, especially for a creature with capacity for logic such as human.


I just act as a nihilist when I need to challenge banality. I think religion is the most logical of all because God is the embodiment of absolute truth and ideal. If you can't get yourself to have a religion, then just try to have fun living with no purpose but your flawed self interest.

I had the concept of the All and polarity introduced to me in metaphysics years before reading the kabylion, although im sure ive seen many hermetic concepts on imageboards by then anyways.

Its the only thing that makes sense. The universe in its entirety is God.

Might have to do with their poverty too. Capitalism tends to create rootless, materialistic bimbo's out of people. People that don't have much tend to cherish what they have passed down. Things like astrology and tradition dont cost anything.

Overcome and become.

Two words that sum up the übermensch.

Take them and translate them as you w i l l , that's what an übermensch would do.

This is the same point the hindu made in this video

It makes alot more sense of the universe when you attribute different forces to different deities.

Some kinds Hindus seem to have made a compromise between the two.
There is one deist god that is so allcompassing its futile to try to understand it but you can make up gods, as if you would use your limited mind as a scoop to take out a small portion of god and revere this small portion as a deity so you have a spiritual tool to at least get a bit of gods grace in accordance to your life circumstances.
I dobt know how much will of their own if any is attributed to these deified splinters of the one god/Brahma they praise.

Monotheism gives way for intolerant despotic authoritarian theocracyes to be born

It's because they live in hardship. There is less distraction in their world. They discuss what their existence means and what comes to themselves after life more often than whites.


Dostoyevsky and Tarkovsky didn't care all that much about tradition. Tradition is only seen as a tool of communication. What they see as important is the inner self.

Depends.
Life as an atztec was surely much more rigid and dominated by fear of the gods and their dogmas and demands then life as an ottoman were Allah has a bunch of expectations and makes you dislike the unbelievers but fundamentally gives you some leeway if you pay lipservice and is disgusted by uneeded cruelty against your fellows who obey his will.

Here's something interesting to keep in mind about monotheism when it comes to europe, especially christianity.

The christian faith has always been a monotheistic faith, however, lots of polytheistic elements were added to it in europe. Hence the existence of saints. They were praid to and approved as much as the polytheistic gods in the paganic times. Hence there were saints of the sea, good fortune, travellers, farming, etc.

While christianity was officially a monotheistic religion, for the common man it felt and acted like a polytheistic one.

Simply speaking, both are valid.

Even in the Bible, multiple gods are referred to many times.

The best way to think of it is to understand that the universe IS the 'mind' of God, and we are all characters in his dream. Or conversely, that we ARE god (since the Universe only exists within our own conscious experience for ourselves.)

Once we start from that we can start to break the "character" of God into multiple parts, to explore the dichotomies and fundamental aspects of reality. Creative vs. destructive, cooperative vs. competitive, chaotic vs. orderly, etc.

It's like a massive memeplex. The memeplex itself is the universe, is God. Inside that memeplex there are some colossal memeplexes in which all the other memes are part of, and other smaller ones which have trivial, if any, relevance.

All is one, one is all. Within that one, a valid POV is to view the major archetypes as 'Gods'. If someone finds fulfilment from communing, worshipping, etc., that archetype, even believing it to have agency or sentience, who am I or anyone else to condemn him?

Check out Ra Law Of One on Google and Bashar. These concepts are explored in great thoroughness.

The ultimate redpill is that the 'mind' of god is a meme. In the sense of real mememagic.

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Why not the body while the mind is outside of the universe/not attached to it?
In Islam the "universe is god" position is condemned as minor shirk as connecting god with his creation would demean him.

Somehow you must have an argument that makes it more probable that God is identical to the universe and the stuff we can experience then him to be completely severed from it but able to interfere at the same time as he is above it.

I'm currently trying to make sense of Hinduism myself. It does seem they have an original or supreme God (Vishnu aka Krishna) and that he created Brahma, Indra, Shiva, Kali and then there are lesser demi Gods.

These Demi Gods are serving as agents in their own ways, Indra as illusion, Brahma this material universe, Kali eternal time, Shiva destroyer of worlds etc (may be incorrect btw).

Basically they are the limbs of God. You can even sacrifice to particular gods to achieve certain outcomes (wife, wealth, power etc), but thats said to be for lesser intelligent people for the transcendant man sacrifices and serves the supreme, beyond this material universe.

Most importantly its said that you can attain knowledge of all this by devotional service, action or the sake of serving God or by sacrifice.

The answer to avoiding pantheism is panentheism. God permeates the universe, but is something more besides. There can be no identification with the transcendence of God, but there can be identification with his immanence.

Every major religion warns against the dangers of pantheism and settles on some form of panentheism.

There are many such arguments. It is the only way to resolve the numerous issues and unresolvable paradoxes found within the normal theistic view.

If not, then God is either incompetent, evil, etc. Unless he is substantively one with his creation, in which case they are both expressions of the same fundamentals.

If you look at the world in a purely elemental way then sure but I think it's a carnal approach to religion that lacks a true spiritualism, a real metaphysic so to speak.

In monotheism the why's and how for's speak to a unity in the mind of the Creator, an absolute orderliness and self consistency by which the stars and planets move in the sky and the winds and seas church in their habitations. The providence of God is purposeful and rational rather than fickle and competitive with the wills of other forces.

Likewise Mankind unique above the beasts in his closeness to the deity as a spiritual animal can take the monotheistic God as the single standard and exemplar of virtue and even further the very source and cause of virtue, since to be virtuous is to imitate the character of the creator and render due obedience and piety in that manner.

As God creates man, man creates a family and as God provides for the man by giving good yields in the harvest and rich materials to render productive labor and fashion tools and shelters the man provides for the family giving them the fruit of his labor and as God gives these benefits to all men, aiding them in their way, all men should help eachother aiding them with the excess fruits of their labor after they have secured what they need for themselves. Monotheism is inherently eucivic.

He is much greater in the sense that, by definition, he is infinite, and by definition, our existence is / has been finite. We may come infinitesimally close to being infinite yet we will never be entirely infinite. Of course, any experience of full infinity is impossible since as soon as one has experienced "infinity", then there is some derivation of that experience that is not yet experienced, thus meaning the claim of experiencing infinity is empty. One could say that the "extra" part of God, not part of the universe, is the part that is projected, extended, from reality, that reality always floods into, never quite reaching the "edge."

Remember the story of the guy who is 10 feet from point X ("nirvana)" and can divide his distance by half every footstep? The thing is, he can never actually get all the way there, but he can get so close the difference is meaningless. Such is the distinction between the universe and God in my eyes.

The hindus don't even have a definite doctrine. The belief is all a mess, just like the rest of polytheism and non centralized religions.

Samefag.

Nobody actually responds to quentin. Especially in such a "oh what must we do, wise one" manner.

Buddhism and Hinduism refer to consciousness as God. Not the mind or universe. Every cell is conscious. Animals are conscious though they don't have thoughts of past or future. They simply know. This is why meditation is profound. You attempt to quite your mind by focusing on your breathing and the point between your eyes untill you enter pure consciousness.

Your mind is simply your past conditioning. Original thoughts, original art etc, extremely rare, come from the ether or void. That is said to be God.

Finally found the picture I was looking for.

I agree with what you have written except one point. I think it would be more accurate to view the created world as the uncreated infinite spilling out into the illusory realm of the finite, and the embarking on the infinite road to perfection as a return to origins.

He was the first person to add anything constructive. Unlike yourself.

I would agree and suggest that in such matters any "inversion" or "perspective" is equally valid, the only question is relevance to the mental structures and values of the observer – however simple or complex that observer may be.

You're a pretty cool guy, user.

Cheers user you too. Good thread!

Another Newage/Freemasonic thread?
What's with you guys? Did jim put you up to subvert us?
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Thats not true. The bhagavad gita, derived from the Vedas is their doctrine. Even the Dhammapada (buddhism) is a hindu doctrine adapted to the times.

And as another respond to OP:

Before we delve deep into a religious discussion, we must first ask the rhetoric question to ourselves: Do we actually desire to seek for truth, or do we just want to advance civilization with some teaching as a propaganda to support it?

If your main objective is to "unify the white race", we'll never get to the real truth. You already established our own concept of truth with that and closed your mind, there is no place for absolute truth. You don't want to be spiritual, you don't want to find truth, in the end you just want to be white. This is why religious discussion on Holla Forums has no purpose.


That's like saying all protestant religions are the same because they all read the bible. I said definite doctrine, not just doctrine.

I'd say you're the one trying to enforce Marxist thought policing on us by saging every open discussion on European philosophy. For a laugh anyone who enters sage should receive instant 15 minute bans. That will discourage both JIDF and low IQ spergs from holding our race back from enlightenment.

Unifying the race is only 1 step. What then? Then we explore space and mystery as our kind always has. Philosophy in particular seems to be white identity. Other races tend to conform and stay ridged in their beliefs. We evolve and grow. We iz Aryanz.

Polytheism is position that gods are powerful relative to their own distinct function in the whole, with the whole being undefined or ignored altogether.
'Monotheism' is the position that God is the single origin point for the whole and that all other are subservient to this unmovable creator.

Interested parties should lend inquiry to the discordians, the illuminists/lucifarians/satanists and also orthodox Christians and ancient remembered saints.

Very biased against polytheism. I'd say all pagan religions have a father god or a myth of creation.

Polytheism chugs on today in the form of government and politics, with us attaching extra meaning to the likes of politicians when we know full well that it is up to us to do something.

Politicians are the same as Vedic injunction? Tell me more.

Well, my point's been proven.

Sounds like something platonist.

I don't know what that is, but the pantheon of the old gods who people give homage to (old gods being ethereal spirits that still exist today and are in worship) are no different to us putting faith in faceless politicians who help us in absolutely nothing because they know that it's up to us to do something.

No I think you just have a very mundane idea of polytheism. That's why I have no interest in Celtic or Norse myths beyond mere fleeting curiosity, it's depth has been lost and only hollow idles remain.

Peterson, Jung and any open minded philosopher only want the absolute depths of religion. We all should. That's why I made this thread.

What the fuck is white identity?
T. Member of a european ethnic group which happens to be pale

Polytheism will always be closer to the hearts of people by virtue of familiarity alone.
They also make more sense and you don't need a thousand theologians solving problems you wouldn't have in the first place thanks to monotheism.

You know that's pretty stupid because it doesn't bring us to understand the reason for the whole in the first place, all it is is juggling archetypes and ideas leading that'll eventually get us nowhere.
Also, you're better off living with nature for a while instead of raking your brain with 'open minded' philosophers (illuminists) because within nature you'll begin to understand how organised everything and how the pantheon of the earth gods came about because of it.

You need to listen to a Richard spencer speech.

Here in America, because the original WASP population has been grossly outbred by European vagrants (as opposed to the noble patriots who remained in their homelands regardless of how rough it got at times) allot of American whites who are racially conscious can't actually grab on to the traditional American identity so have to invent a generic white identity.

t. a descendent of ancient colonial englishmen who has only ever met two or three other similarly pureblood members of the American race.

Guess I'm a member of the Australian race because my ancestors were British settlers… lol

Eh, read that hindu picture some user posted above which distinguishes between people "of small intelligence" who barter with many minor deities and the ascetic type who strives to be with and understand God with a capital G.
Calling it small intelligence is unnesecarily demeaning, maybe being more simple minded/materialistic describes it better?
Just because most of us, me included, are the people that can handle idolatry+some higher rules better then Monotheism does not mean this kind of thinking is inheritently superiour to what the Israelites and Zarathustra among some monotheist hellenists and indians cooked up. Convenience alone is a bad argument. Espeacially if it were the ideas of a few monotheist thinkers that now dominate the world and displaced the polys or put them in a lower place (folk superstitions etc).

My people had an almost 300 year history of settling the new world and developing a unique colonial identity that after a time created a strong enough seperation in culture, religion and popular custom between us and the native English that we found it necessary to break off from them and establish a sovereign and unique space on this earth independent of the English. In the centuries following that seperation we developed a unique and self-serving culture with unique ideas of art, music, politics, philosophy, religion, science and technology.

Yes there is an American ethnic identity as much as there is an English, a French, a German or Serbian ethnic identity.

you are an enemy of nationalist sympathies if you desire to wipe away national identities in favor of internationalist pan-europeanisms.

Monotheism and polytheism are the exact same thing in essence.
There are no multiple gods, and it never was the case, it is the same god (universal principle) that take different forms to be understood by the different "classes" of people.
An intelligent person theoricaly do not need a dozen of gods to understand the Principle; a rather dumb person will on the other hand need a god for this and for that, because the multiplication of "gods" and shapes of gods greatly helps the simple minds to be able to grasp the universal concept that is God.

Hindus, the supposed kings of polytheism, actualy workship a single Entity (non-Entity more precisely).

This being said, there is no paganism left in europe, only neo-paganism aka kikes wet dream.

there is only one source, and it is in everything.

keep it simple

No but I definitely don't identify as Australian native or even feel their is a culture for Europeans here at all. Normies wiuld say it's Australian to drink beer, eat BBQ and play rugby or cricket. Mining is European Australian culture. There's nothing else. A few hundred years isn't anything compared to 10's of thousands of years if not more of European tradition and ancestry.

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And having roots that shallow is the problem whites have nowadays. You're basically saying sand niggers and Somalis will be new Germans in a few generations. No.

Even though my ancestors were amount the first settlers in Australia I identify as Western European.

Polytheism is retarded. Point blank.

But I also believe that pagans were not "polytheist" in the way they are portrayed today, except somewhat in later years after they had degenerated. The polytheist myth comes from Jews who want to claim they invented monotheism.

You can't "make sense" of Hinduism, because the idea of Hinduism as big unified religion is a very recent abstraction that historically alien to the actual continent.

I guess you can call exile to a penal colony being a settler

Some not all.
There are some legitimately polytheist hindus and they are becoming more confident in their postions again in the last time.
Youve got even atheist strains of hinduism after all.

The vast majority of Anglo-Australians are descended from free-settlers, not convicts.

My ancestors weren't convicts though. They truly were amount the first proper settlers to farm here and own land. You can tell if someone has convict blood here because those traits still show in their character.

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Yes they do. It just might not make sense to you because Hindus accept contradictions.

I was just takin the piss :^)

It is important to recognize that the original Abrahamic religions (and modern day Judaism) were henotheists, the did not deny the existence of other gods, but only worshipped one as a tribe. This is why there are repeated stories about Jews straying to other cults (even Solomon himself) and contests between deities for supremacy.

Also, the main difference in my eyes between monotheism as it is practiced today and polytheism is that monotheism directs itself exclusively at the origin of the world, while polytheism highly regards the active processes of the world. Any system with a multitude of supernatural entities can not be called monotheistic anyway.

How so? Do you believe that a tradition that posits a sovereign god in heaven/sky that rules over lesser albeit still important deities ceases to be polytheism?

Nah, that's because they're Jews.

Not in the slightest. They accept a multitude of practices because they're still in the milieu of classical Tradition, but not every Hindu faith accepts the notion of Greater Brahma (Brahman) as the guiding/generative principle of being. You're being a reductionist.

Yes. They believed in an absolute, which is the real god.

That doesn't matter. Hinduism accepts that. Like it said, Hinduism accepts contradiction, so it does not need to make logical sense.

hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/the-role-of-archakas-temple-priests-in-hinduism.asp

This website seems to have mostly polytheist interpretation of Hinduism (I checked the maker once I think, he is a legit poo so no western reinterpretation to fit wiccaism)
Interesting read.

That's provincial. Angels are no less deities than the Zorastrian Spentas. Saints are no different than ascended heroes. Christianity is and always has been henotheistic.

Hinduism isn't a singular religion.

I'm not talking about Christianity. I am talking about European pagans.

Yes it is.

You have people sacrifiecing goats to the village god and vegetarian ascets strictly worshipping the creator alone, both calling themselves hindus.

No, it isn't, in the same way traditional Mediterranean polytheism isn't a single religion. It's a multitude of cults (in the classical sense, not the law enforcement sense), that sometimes overlap and sometimes share characters and metaphysics. Hinduism is a term the British made up during colonial times to group all the practices together. It literally means "Shit Indians Practice."
It'd be like grouping all forms of Christianity and pre-pagan traditional activity into "Whitism." Utter nonsense.

It seems obvious to me.

The Abrahamic god, according to the texts, created man, for the sole reason that he kneels in front of him. What kind of pretentious god creates life for that sole purpose? Sure, people are going to argue that it's not the only reason, but deep down, he asks that you kneel.

Old gods were hugely different. Stories are largely the same: they used to simply exist, and lived alongside humans, and interacted with them on numerous occasions, fighting by their side in wars, trading with them, exchanging knowledge. And one day they left.

They never asked anyone to kneel, they never asked anything to anyone in fact, nor can you ask anything of them for prays are in vain. They were just extraordinary beings, paragons of virtues that you should attempt to immitate.

Don't pray to Apollon to be beautiful, just make fucking efforts to be as beautiful as he was, don't pray to Fortuna to be lucky, just work twice as hard to get what you want, don't pray to Cernunnos to be as strong as he is, just fucking lift.

Abrahamic gods are "pray more", old gods are "get your shit together".

Your choice.

I remember from the "de natura deorum" there being many arguments concerning the number, conciousness and actual power of the gods aside from their existence.
One group believed them to be absolutely perfect archetypes being infinitivly content by existing alone and thus having no impact on our lives whatsoever (aside from being a certain idea.) with worship being done only out of respect for their perfectness while others believed you could appease and barter with them.

They all sacrifice. There are different types of sacrifice called yajna (?) fire sacrifice but also sacrifice by preforming action for the sake of god. Grains can be offered and flowers etc in sacrificial fire.

That's because they both are hindus.


Again, you are misunderstanding it.

This completely ignores the actual cultic activities of the pre-christian religions. Apotropaic sacrifices and rituals were numerous. It wasn't Vargish atheism.

No, you're using an external linguistic construct in lieu of an argument.

Technically the yogis are sacrificing the breath, a practice that derives from animal sacrifice. There are arguments to be made that Hinduism is just an geographical umbrella term, but that is not one of them.

No I'm not. I already pointed out that it accepts contradiction. This refutes all the false arguments you brought to bolster your point. Two people can believe contradictory things and these are both still Hindu. It is extremely universal.

Lel

Enki then advises that they create a ==servant== of the gods, humankind, out of clay and blood. Against Enki's wish the Gods decide to slay Kingu, and Enki finally consents to use Kingu's blood to make the first human, with whom Enki always later has a close relationship, the first of the seven sages, seven wise men or "Abgallu" (Ab = water, Gal = great, Lu = Man), also known as Adapa. Enki assembles a team of divinities to help him, creating a host of "good and princely fashioners". He tells his mother
Oh my mother, the creature whose name thou has uttered, it exists,
Bind upon it the (will?) of the Gods;
Mix the heart of clay that is over the Abyss,
The good and princely fashioners will thicken the clay
Thou, do thou bring the limbs into existence;
Ninmah (the Earth-mother goddess (Ninhursag, his wife and consort) will work above thee
(Nintu?) (goddess of birth) will stand by thy fashioning;
Oh my mother, decree thou its (the new born's) fate.

There is no IT to accept the contradiction.

Spirits don't exist. We are the race that evolved through strict monogamy into the best fighters and builders as well as the most beautiful. Individuals fund their fulfillment in working for their families and fighting for the nation, which is the great thicket of family trees. White power. 14/88 o/

Yes, there is. You do not understand hinduism, and are approaching it from a historical perspective that is wrong.

Spirits actually do exist, it's just entirely secular and neurological. Ideas don't have to be local to the person.


No, you're making the classical western mistake of reading Hindu as a religion instead of a race.

It is both. You are making the classic western mistake of believing you can shoehorn hinduism into western philosophical categories.

You haven't said anything substantive this entire discussion.

How many of those gods asked for it? Oh so few. As for actual cultic activities, we know very, very little, for few written accounts remain.

What remains are the texts, and they paint a quite different picture from any Abrahamic belief.

Nice cherrypicking. Funny the many parallels between Sumerian mythology and Abrahamic texts too.

I wonder why really.

First, this shit is fake as fuck and stupid, actually liberals are the ones opening abortion clinics to moloch, not christians and second, a cool guy isnt a god. Just a fedora with serious autism, a black pagan tard or a ctr shill will mix God with gods as the same thing.

Well, why we dont know what the sumerians were the many semitic people build upon or aside their legacy, their polytheism has many parallels to what was later on attributed to Yaweh but is also very different in other ways such as the affinity towards magic and lenient views on sex.
In the end, man is seen as a servant of the gods. You said "old gods" in a general sense so I allowed myself to pick the pantheon of one of the oldest civilisation erecting cultures to stand in as an example.

Monotheism = Time waster, especially if they're foreign gods like Yahweh.
How many denominations are there now?
How many theologians are working around semitic shit?
How many hours are wasted each day trying to juggle western things with semitic things?

Too many, and they still haven't achieved unity, even remotely.
Polytheism always makes sense.
Spirit of the forest. Spirit of the cave. Spirit of the sun. Spirit of the deer.

Monotheism = 14 year old roleplaying with special clauses, exceptions, overrides, loopholes, doublethink and so forth.


[ 1000 Theologians screeching ]

And so forth.
And then, like some commie, you have to go "well that's not REAL Christianty" and blablaba

A total waste of time.
And then, come December 25, everybody is celebrating Yule, anyway.

Beatific.

Sumerian "myths" looks more like the fall of angels, seriously.

Troll detected.

More like the fall of the angels looks like sumerian myths. Kuneiform tablets are older then the old testament.

No.
Most likely right now, some street preacher has to deal with some edgy faggot 13 year old screeching "JESUS NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GAYS" or "YOU ARE WEARING BLENDED FIBRES!" who runs away before the preacher can go:

Akkkkkkkkkkshually, that's an isshue of moral law and ceremonial law and ..hey wait, kid, this is riveting stuff, come back.
Awww, man. Why can't you be smart, child?
WELL YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, KID!

In Polytheism, there's no one book or god or doctrine you have to buy into in order to be considered "one of us." The pagan religion is, at its very core, a religion of blood and soil. Monotheistic religions are religions of doctrine. If you repeat the correct creed, you're in-grouped not matter what you do or what you are. What I really want is something like white Shintoism. The problem is, what little community-oriented spirituality is left in this country, is dominated by Christianity. You have to either eat the shit sandwich or go hungry. I can't imagine what kind of social revolution would be necessary to get people to believe in a new faith; this shit usually spreads at the end of a blade, and I don't think this is a good time to go down that road while whites are being demographically wiped out of existence.

Thankfully, paganism is an old faith.
I can see it being difficult in America and other non European places inhabited by European descendants, though.

This is almost "what did God do before time and the universe were created?"-tier retardation.

You know the real communism, I see.
Go ahead and unite the denominations and ease world tension.

Well, it is not though as if no doctrines would be present. The roman vestals got buried alife if they broke their vow of chastity and their lower publically whipped to death, the canaanites surely had ways to silence their critics when they sacrifieced the greatest present you can give imaginable to Ba'al while hindus have a lot of very strict laws how to do and not do certain stuff and there were times were the punishments of transgression were horrible. You need doctrine to organize worship as long as you dont want to degenerate to wiccaisation and not all cults were ethnically bound.

Paganism makes it easier for different threads of religion to course through society without being mutually hostile in the way that Christian denominations are. Some people will be liberal, some will be conservative - we've got that down to neuroscience to some extent at this point. So different cults within an overarching ethnic syncreticism is in my opinion the high point of religion. Shinto provides a good example again, because while it has its gods and goddesses (usually associated with natural features,) they've got the cosmology of Mahayana Buddhism to support it and make it theologically rich. But that would take a huge cultural shift that's hard to imagine in the present time. Personally, despite being a very religiously-motivated person, I just can't bring myself to eat the shit sandwich of Christianity for the sake of incorporating myself into a larger religious community.

Your big fuckup in last two examples you gave (the demons one is different: demons residing in Hell is a common normalfag mistake) is that you entirely misunderstand the nature of the monotheistic Christian God. He is an infinite being existing outside time and space who created the universe in much the same way as Toady writing Dwarf Fortress and starting up the game, if Toady knew exactly how the simulation was to play out beforehand. As an omniscient being outside of time he is never surprised or taken off-guard, merely giving the appearance of changing his mind on some occasions to make his actions slightly more comprehensible to finite, mortal beings.

Polytheism isn't just for evil jews, it was the state of religion in Europe long before Christianism came. In fact, there are so few monotheistic beliefs aside from Abrahamic ones they're not even worth mentioning.
Well no, but what does this have to do with anything?


Yeah, that is cherrypicking. There were countless civilizations in the bronze age, many pantheons of gods that didn't create man, many we don't care because they're not European, so many without written texts, and so much more forgotten.

Was there are point that was lost somewhere though? Do you hate the idea of gods not having created man to kneel?

I find it much more interesting to believe in a God who can be surprised. Alan Watts roleplays a more interesting god than the god of Abraham. You should give this a listen - he was an Anglican priest who became a Buddhist over the course of his life, and he's a very skilled public speaker and interesting theologian.

You're missing the point.
I could have used anything as an example.

The point is that it's a waste of time, and a fruitless effort on top of that.
If you do not agree with this statement, I cordially invite you to unite the christian faith under one true denomination.

But you won't be able to do so, because a thousand screeching theologians will be against you.

I'm beginning to think Nietzsche was a kike
He certainly puts across some VERY kikey ideas

Well, the bhuddists were rather benign towards the spirit worshippers even though most of the serious practioners dont see servitude to them as something good by itself.
Christians left only a little bit of room to breathe with saints as an outlet while Islam wiped the ground throughoutly with some exceptions in the backass regions of anatolia and the mountains of Iran and the levant as shias are like the catholics of Islam in this regard.
Spirit worship by itself, or the idea that the universe is made by a multitude of higher beings on more or less equal footing pretty much died out or had to take a lower postion under a higher framework that can explain reality in some way.
Bhuddism is quiet alien to the west and often gets misunderstood, so I may look into saivism(hindu) in the future as the indoeuropean connection is there and them managing to keep their beliefs running and being theologically competivive in relation to both christians and muslims is remarkable.
Maybe small communities which offer more appealing sandwhiches to you and me may arise in the future in the form of native ethnic crisis cults when europe starts to disintegrate further.

It seems generally futile to pick up your local myths and try to emulate worship towards any kind of creator-gods as the outcome is basically trying to erect the kind of theology that needs hundreds of years to ripe or the few incredible individuals that can start massmovements by their insights into how reality might work, in order to fit some aethethic ideal (Im a worshipper of the northern gods!) you liked before feeling the need to justifie it.

So spirit worship in its most primitive form might be the only kind of genuine approach. Im currently reading a lot into house and field spirits which were tended to by peasants in europe way into the 19th century (not wishful revisionism but attested by several germanists and folklore specialists and scornful clerics of that time.) as these can be understood much more easily and work under all kinds of belief systems. Getting as close to the traditions that used to be in your area needs a lot of studying but maybe Ill end with something at least personally fulfilling if I fill the gaps with how indians and asians see this low-level kind of religious beliefs today.

I do not hate idea, I simply rarely have heard of it, ancestor worship and the veneration of quiete obscure folk deities seems to have happened often out of genuine love and on equal footing, but the organised state cults often displayed some kind of fear concerning divine retribution if servitude was failed.
Here is a european example, by the polytheist apologet Symmachus.

"And let no one think that I am defending the cause of religion only, for from deeds of this kind have arisen all the misfortunes of the Roman race. The law of our ancestors honoured the Vestal Virgins and the ministers of the gods with a moderate maintenance and just privileges. This grant remained unassailed till the time of the degenerate money-changers, who turned the fund for the support of sacred chastity into hire for common porters. A general famine followed upon this, and a poor harvest disappointed the hopes of all the provinces. This was not the fault of the earth, we impute no evil influence to the stars. Mildew did not injure the crops, nor wild oats destroy the corn; the year failed through the sacrilege, for it was necessary that what was refused to religion should be denied to all."

Not for a lack of trying, but yeah. Nobody really cared if some sheep-fucking peasants in the hinterland got their spiritual advice from the local totally-not-a-shaman-anymore as long as nothing came of it because it simply wasn't worth the time and effort to stamp out. More centrally located peoples weren't so fortunate and their mythology got run through a wood chipper until only superstitions, superficial traditions and scraps from the table of Roman archaeology were left.


The blut is already present and eventually the boden will be as well the former endures; it just wants time and the proper spiritual perspective of those possessing it. It also bears repeating that North America is fundamentally not European from the perspective of boden and in many places the ensuing spirituality will not be identical because of the lack of analogues - what parts of endemic European spirituality deal with the desert, or the endless prairie?


All state religions do that, though. They're part of the government so "passing the buck" is pretty much their job description.

Not really, considering the vast majority of Christian ritual is just repurposed from the Sol Invictus cult.

To be a part of an individual cult, yeah, you did have to follow specific doctrine.

Anyone of the smarter anons on Holla Forums can invent a new religion. The question is how to deliver that iconography into the mind's of the masses. In the past it was usually through fear and false promise. That's not easy to do these days.

Which is why most if not all state religions revolve around a single deity. Those types of religions can creates pseudo nations because they don't require you to live in a particular place or be from a specific bloodline, the non exclusive ones anyway. Traditions and religious laws are self imposed, anyone can adopt the values and become part of it. You end up with a generic culture and generic values that anyone can take up, including your enemies. A politicians and priests aren't so different, hell even we can see that with how Rabbis essentially govern Jewry.

The truth is Holla Forums already has a religion. It's National Socialism

First and foremost, before creating/defining a religion, there's a question for people like you to answer.


Would you want to become a spiritual man, or just a white man? If you just want to be a white man, because you only care about earthly matters, then religion is no use for you.

Fuck off brown coat. Your neoplatonic /fringe/ christian crap isn't a reality.

The spirit is the mind. Being white is how your mind is structured, deep in the DNA. What floats away after the body is dead is up to interpretation but to be white is the spirit of whiteness = a religion of white.

See European cultural history thread which is all white stuff that looks white. 8ch.net/pol/res/8635183.html

I want it white. No more Jews as God

Sounds like Natures Eternal Religion to me creativitymovement.net

No, soul is the mind. Spirit is what makes the thoughts of the soul immortal.

Race does affect how your brain is formed, but diversity of DNA structure is far more complex than that.

There's nothing supernatural about being white. It's all a physical state.

Whatever you mean by that.

That's why you don't want to be spiritual, you don't want spiritual truth, you just want to indulge in earthly matters. I'm not gonna say anything against it, just telling you that you shouldn't lie to yourself by calling it a religion.

criminally underchecked

Why NeoPlatonists are just Christians who can't except how stupid Christianity is.
There is nothing super about being white? You're a shitskin. There is nothing natural about being white? There is nothing supernature, period – more neoplatonist offshoot garbage >>>/fringe
The earth is our heaven or hell. Stop waiting for death or just kill yourself already.

Heil'd. I see our lives on Earth like a very tiny pebble upon which a whole galaxy depends. This place is important, because what happens afterwards, is going to be shaped and modulated by the experiences we have gathered together from here. This is the raw, bleeding stuff of which our lives in the hereafter are created, and as much as I often mind myself wishing that my mission were over and I could just quit, just wishing isn't enough and that's probably the way things should be. We have to work to establish a firm foundation for our afterlives. We have to build our souls - they're not handed to us for free, as most religious people seem to assume.

Except? WTF, dude. Stop trolling me.

So you're just admitting that you don't care about spirituality or religion. You're just a pantheist at best. You're a troll dude.

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You're a fringe cuck spewing NeoPlatonism like they all do. Your "spirituality" is mental masturbation and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you can't see the Spirit of Creation in creation itself (like outside in the real world) its because you live in a fucking fantasy world of "spirits" that you get from books like a child gets from reading comics.
Accept it faggot


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Well, it is you who don't have any spirituality at all. I'm not telling you to be spiritual, I'm not preaching anything to you. I'm just telling the truth, the truth is you don't want any religion. You're just a materialist. You can't post in this thread with that mindset.

I'm an Emanationist. If 3D contains 2D contains 1D, why would it be surprising if there were a 4D containing a 3D and a 5D containing a 4D? I think the layers are probably infinite. To ascend through the successive layers of this matrix is the meaning of life and the path to immortality. Mineral, vegetable, animal, human, superhuman. It just seems congruent with observed experience that humans are amphibious creatures, living some of the time in simple matter and living some of the time in something we haven't even developed the language to discuss.

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You're a child playing in mental fantasy realms because other adults are there playing too. It's still not an excuse for betraying your race.

Deities require a material form in order to survive in the hearts and minds of those who worship them: Christians revere Jesus as God in the flesh, Muslims revere Mohamed as Allah's prophet, and Jews revere, well, themselves, as God's chosen people–they are their own physical conduit to the divine, though the human and sacrifices help.

In polytheism, this property of holiness or otherworldliness is given to more mundane things: a deer, a river, a forest, archery, blacksmithing, love, war, and so on.

While monotheism rests its entire roof on often a single pillar, requiring the creation of extensive religious institutes and laws and interpretations of texts to build the rest of the foundation, polytheism is more ingrained in life–more human. Monotheism is just conveniently easy to leverage in ruling subjects because the public's eye for the divine is locked on a single, state-dependent institution.

That was pretty good.

Kek. Wew, that would be a bit of a jump, lad. You jump too far too hard and you lose your soul for all intents and purposes and become blindly incorporated into an entity beyond your comprehension. Bad things can also happen if you jump from too high to too low. I think there might be a grain of truth in that about how we ended up as Holla Forumsacks - disregarding all good advice and reason we decided to incarnate into this world and time anyway. We secretly spat out as much of the water of the River Lethe as we could, convinced that we knew better than our elders and could do a bigger job than we were initially assigned. I don't know about you, but normalfags can sense that I don't belong in this world like it's a pheromone. I have a nostalgia for a place that I've never been and it's the defining feature of my life.

Well you're being an offtopic fag for being a materialist ITT.

I don't even care about my race.

Do you even bifurcate?

There is more power in nonlinear fractal dimensions then in many quantized ones, don't take my word for it, start finding the solution sets to non-linear differential equations.

Not trying to troll, but's with some of the Natsoc/Pagan's utter contempt for actual European culture, like the Middle Ages, Monarchy & Hierarchy, Platonic metaphysics, etc.? I get the impression some of you guys would be hailing modernity as the greatest thing ever, if it weren't for niggers and kikes.

If one's spiritual beliefs don't serve his physical life, what's the point? If I believe in one God who is unfathomable, exists in some other dimension and who knows me but I can't ever really know Him seeing as He is unfathomable, what's the point? If I believe in many gods but they don't serve me in an equal way as me serving them, what's the point?

So much this. There doesn't seem to be any way to mask it either, then they just sense the masking effect and it's no different than having not tried to mask it.

I believe the reason we have people who consider themselves agnostic is because agnosticism still numbs the fear of death with the potential of an afterlife. The advantages that more codified, theistic beliefs have are the notions of sin and judgment, usually. For those who can't see the broader importance of an ordered society, whose chaotic nature, inherent in all people, must be controlled by other means, the threat of damnation or the like still serves them in their daily lives.

I have no idea why you think there's disdain for Platonic metaphysics around here but please do tell. Hierarchy is completely natural and you're bullshitting when you say NatSoc/'pagan' Holla Forumslacks hate it, but you're correct that there is hatred for the Monarchy that used Christian pretence to protect and keep Court Jews and also continuously acted against the best interests of the European peoples on many occasions (Like wars fought over family matters). The Middle Ages weren't that great m88, Renaissance was better - and the 'pagan' elements in it was the reason why it turned out so well.

Checked. Yeah, when you try to mask it they start thinking you're a serial killer, instead of just very, very, very, very, very strange.

Are you me?

good points

I wonder if there's a way to modulate it somehow to make it more obvious that it's not a bad or scary thing. Since normies don't really have any training or education on their subtle senses, and since they're going to sense it either way, it might be better to go balls-to-the-wall angelic glow or something.

NatSoc and fascism are inherently progressive (as in future-oriented, not liberal) ideologies; if you want dude we should turn back the clock lmao then NRx is what you're looking for.

This lady strikes me as being a person who tries to pull off the kind of thing you're talking about. To be honest, she's too intense for me. I respect her, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing I could or would want to do myself.

Wew. Ok, yea, maybe that wouldn't help not freak out normies.

We are being gathered together so we can go back home. We do not belong around normal people because we are not the same arch type as everyone else, we are tricksters and we are inhabiting a foreign land. Our element and purpose is not based around order, chaos and our real creator brought us here to teach us a valuable lesson.

I live for the cause every day - wishing I could die for it - hoping against hope that you're right. But now that we're here there's just no arguing. We are here, and we have to carry the flag for as long as we can, because we are who we are.

I didn't expect this to turn into a feels thread.
This world might be fucked up, but It's an honor to be here with you guys.

user, I…

I have two ovens. One for Jews, another for (((heathens))).

What anime is that?

Madoka Magica

Cheers.

The best anime

I'll have to check it out.

But the Bible talk about older events, Sumeria from some of the "bad guys" even varg did a song about that, "ea lord of the depths" or something like that.

Please stop.

Thats the biggest joke ever, seriously, pagan world was the world of war, the fight was so big that they werent capable of going beyond one city without bloodbaths from time to time or heavy and bloody laws.

No, its like saying "african americans", there is not such a thing like an "african confederation", remade and post again please.

From answers to questions… yeah, sure, great evolution, btw, at least say what kind of flavor is.

No, its because they are different, so you cant without killing all of them.

Even "spirit worshippers" talk about the dangers of it. If you feel special thats great, but you are going againts everything, including are you showing as good, just to justify yourself.


Nice try shill.

Do you want money and reverse rape?

Better than communism or leaving in an orgy family eating shit.

Check your meds.

No, check greeks before christianity please, you are also mixing things in the examples.

Not sure if satanist or jew, its exactly the opposite.

I don't really understand why the events and actions of higher beings need to be my concern.

It doesn't have to be, but if you do decide to make it your concern, you get to participate.

Are you sure? Seems like most religions have a "join or die" policy.

Just the Abrahamic ones.
That god is a real dick.

The fucking irony, coming from a freemason.

And the masonic shill, accusing me of marxism tries to censor shit. The fucking irony.
Take your satanic enlightenment and show it up your boypussy fucking poz hole. Your concept of enlightenment is as fake as your facade.

In case anyone on Holla Forums doesn't know, the end game of the Frankfurt School is to starve people of religion to the point that they will accept absolutely anything, then publicly/openly create a fictional religion and convince the starved ones to join it even though they are well aware of its origin/falsehood.
Remember this statement as, month after month, (((someone))) appears here to tell you that, for some inexplicable reason, the time has come to fabricate a religion and start trying to convert people to it.

The Jews are quite active on this thread.

its called secular humanism, and it sucks because it has no cool heroes or epic stories.

And why are they different?
Is it because of the very semitic shit that everybody interprets differently since it's alien to anyone but semites?

Why, yes, yes it is.

Such a difference does not not exist in european paganism.
PAganism is nature worship, nature is pretty much the same throughout europe.
You have different names but similar tenets.
Sun worship, for example, is so prevalent that it is a global phenomenon.

Also, polytheistic gods are, again, not perfect. So you have a natural leeway.

But with a perfect monotheistic god?
Well, cue the thousand theologians screeching again.
The alleged perfection of god has a dualistic nature in apologists and believers.

They are extremely unceremoniously and mundanely "living" with their monotheistic god, while talking about lofty shit when they explain things.

When they explain things then god is infinite, above our understanding, blabla.

But in actual practice, god is none of that.
In actual practice omniscience is dismissed passively because people cannot work well with the concept.
Same with the infinite.

Simply ask a Christian, for example, how they would know if what they are worshipping really is Yahweh if Yahweh is beyond their capabilities of understanding.

Then they will say "Of course I know it's yahweh, I feel it in my heart." making all those lofty descriptions moot.

"Yeah God is totally beyond our understanding but here I am being 100% sure that it's not a trick, durr."

Et cetera.
Monotheism is retarded the moment you go "global".
It works for a singular tribe, anything more and you run into problems.
The reality we are living in is proof of that.

It only breeds hoity toity knowitalls (who really don't, since they cannot unite the faith because someone ELSE thinks they know it iall) who pontificate about things they wouldn't even have to think about without the faith in the first place.

Aka, solving artificial problems without any payoff, since, even if you are the most learned theologian scholar, it means nothing since you won't be able to convince all of them.

But with polytheism, and paganism, which is inherently local to a region, you don't need to do that. It's always believable.

Hence the reason why we can enjoy anime with shinto and buddhism in it without getting bored.
Hence we can watch the umpteenth "Lord of the Ring"esque shit without getting bored.

These things are split up into many, many aspects based on things that any pagan society would end up thinking of.

Ancestors, spirits, gods of thunder and lightning, et cetera.

Whereas monotheism has problems unifying everything without either being boring and unworkable "yeah mysterious ways and beyond our understanding, he's just perfect, blabla" or totally alien.

That's not meant to sound as contradictory as it does.

What I mean is:
It's belieable that shinto and shit is "japanese" and that makes it feel genuine, and therefore exotic and cool.

But God? Yahweh? You know, the big monotheist one?

Boooooring. It just looks weird to see some primitive niggers acting like catholics, for example.
It's anti diversity, it's marxism. It's awful.

Eternal Namefag here, it's great to see (((goyQuentin))) posting again.

No one is sorry he didn't hang himself on christmas. Carry on, you valuable tripfag, you!

Completely ignoring that Marxism is a religion and that it has nothing to do with say Nordic Paganism.
Ignoring that there are more Aryan belief system out there that don't need to be "fabricated" as much as "We Wuz Hebrews"… including a tradition of a thing called "philosophy" that your Jew magic doesn't really delve into.

pure degeneracy. NeoPlatonists are influenced by Christianity's take over and murder of all Hellenism.
Go Stoic or go back to 4chan.

And instead, Kek rises from the abyss to restore divinity.

Quality post. I'll have to take some time thinking about this to unpack it all.

This is a good suggestion. Jordan Peterson's lectures have been very helpful to me as well.

Those attempts at 'handwaving' are unfortunate, but that was never the predominant philosophy among the early Christian writers.
The idea was the following:
1) God is the source of life, as well as love.
2) For the life that God has created to receive and respond to God's love, all creatures must have free will.
3) This free will means that God is not directly responsible for everything that happens on the earth; instead, God is indirectly responsible as the source of the ability that all creatures have to choose their own path in life.
"The one thing that God can't do" is to force belief.
Feel free to count that as 'hand-waving' if you want to, but I think that it's a philosophy that can inspire and motivate, rather than cause fear and disillusionment.

Christianity was influenced by Neoplatonism. The Church Fathers like Augustine and so on wrote after the prominent neoplatonists like Plotinus/ Porphyry. Neoplatonism is more like the fulfillment of Hellenism. Not to mention that the so called 'neo' platonism was more of a return to presocratic pythagorean philosophy.

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Also stoicism isnt directly opposed to neoplatonism. One is just focused on ethics while the other on metaphysics. They compliment each other quite well actually.

sage for doublepost

The first NeoPlatonists were after Christians took over. Platonism (as in directly Plato) isn't what you faggots do. It merged with Aristotelian thinking and became regular science

You're incredibly uneducated and a product of /fringe/. Even Holla Forums knows more on average than you do. Stoicism made ethics a byproduct and metaphysics has done nothing but set back experimental thinking in science with its Christian justifications

When a dis-eased mind, like the modern, uses terms it uses them and understands them literally and absolutely. For them the term 'god' is an absolute (omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent) thing, and as such is, by definition, non-existent.
Pagans use 'god' to relate to relationships in world, to nature.
Pagan gods are metaphors for patterns, or congruity of patterns' (inter)acting, and therefore metaphors for natural processes.
This is why pagan gods were imperfect, knowable, because order can be known, and at the same time mysterious, because randomness cannot.


'Truth' for a Modern, infected by Nihilism, which is a memetic virus transmitted linguistically, semantically, is also a term implying absolute, complete, perfect, knowledge/understanding, and as such an absurdity, an arrogant insane proposition, it can only be negated with an equally insane antithetical proposition, such as absolute ignorance.
This is how Nihilism pulls you into its manufactured paradigm, setting up the binary logic, and dualities of either/or, good/evil, etc.

Friendly reminder to any Heathens IIT that the Asatru board is looking a bit dead atm

>>>/asatru/

haha, I enjoyed that rant

>>>/cucktianity/ also exists.

Decad - the All;
Ennead - the Mind;
Ogoad - the Word;
Hebdomad - the Differentials;
Hektomad - our World.

Our world is 3-dimensional; time is an illusion; the symbol is the Cube.
All pluralities of gods, all pantheons, with their limited number, transcend the cube that is our prison; the symbol is the encircled five-pointed star; turn it upside-down for the ultimate heresy.
The Law, the Word, the Logos, is the order and the chaos; chaos lurks at the edge of reality; the symbol is an eight-pointed star, perhaps also the lemniscate.
The Mind, in some languages of the Old World synonymous with the Spirit or the Soul, is the personhood of the One God.
The body is everything and all; it has no beginning and no end.

The pantheons are our ancestors, and the One is theirs.

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That you think religion is just something you can invent speaks volumes of how subverted you are.


As if 'we killed God' wasn't a dead giveaway.

Well technically its at least one fractal dimension but could be more which could also in transformation, for instance the Great Salt Lake Attractor exists in 3.05 dimensions and that is one of oldest studied phenomenon to which you can compute an algorithm which will give you ~12% accuracy.

Damn Jews trying to force me to use their letters in the advance maths, and they write all their textbooks in Hebrew and then spoonfeed us while translating out of Hebrew because we must be so below them for not knowing Hebrew , but not Ben he's Jewish and knows Hebrew and oh wow he's getting an 'A' and knows the teacher personally FUCKING KIKES. I'm not alone in the class a few other goys are pretty pissed off at the way of instruction. At least the author of the book uses plus signs as I've heard some Jews expressly negate everything to make sure no plus sign is shown in an expression.

So actual European culture is the time when Europe was infested with Semitic religion of Christianity the most? Not to mention the Middle Ages lasted for what, a thousand years? That's very little compared to the history of a European man.

That's because you know nothing about National Socialism, European religions and Europe in general.

Are there any good translating programs? It's easy to read and transliterate and the grammar seems comparatively easy.

Not the golden age of islam.

Byzantium lasted 1000 years.

Monks preserved culture and science.

Europe conquered the the world after the west become fully christian.

If you don't sign in, they think you've escaped.

T. Creepy nurse at my uncle's christian nursing home.

Actually Europe conquered the world when satanist kings exploited the Christian poor and went full hungry wolf.
Then you look at the current mess we're in and think "why do we tolerate satanists?"

The key problem, in my estimation, has less to do with what you believe and more to do with personal development. We must make ourselves into magicians. Not for the sake of personal power, but because very powerful magicians are running the world, and they're running it into the ground at that. If you want to wrest the reins of power from those who are misusing it, you must appraise yourself of the tools that they use to gain and maintain that power. This blood libel is blood magic. And from what we've seen here, it damn well works. Our goal shouldn't be to replicate the methods of our enemies or results they've attained. We must blaze an entirely new trail, using the latent divine potential that sleeps within all mankind but is realized by so few.

Wow.

Testing

anybody who worships saturn is ether a stupid cuck, or a cannibalistic subhuman. ether way, when saturn is in ashes you have my permission to die.

Makes you wonder what Saturn really is for these subhuman filth to be so devoted to it. All that blood and energy is being offered up to something. Is it the canibal pedo kike and cuck egregore. Or an alien or supernatural being?

could be ether one, whatever it is we're going to destroy that motherfucker.

montalk.net has very interesting documentation on that subject. Their mythos is extremely interesting and well-worth reading for any modern esotericist.

Yea, they have kept us in the dark so long by burning and hiding the true works of our Aryan ancestors, they fear what we are capable.

Damn straight we are user, and the juden know it.


Synchronicity keeps leading me to that site, they have some interesting stuff on there for sure.

Here's what I know for sure: YHWH = Demiurge = Satan. However, Saturn itself is possessed by YHWH/Demiurge/Satan in the Kali Yuga. Lucifer is not only not the same as Satan, but is his archenemy (as Miguel Serrano taught). Notice how "the devil"/Satan is often depicted as Jewey-looking whilst Lucifer is often Aryan-looking

It's funny because I read it and I think it's silly bullshit. But the silly bullshit has so much in common with other silly bullshit I read, including silly bullshit that claims to be fiction (ie: silly bullshit,) that the coincidences start to become downright overbearing after awhile. Human imagination isn't quite so unconnected from reality as we think. I mean, you can go back to the Vedic lore and find all kinds of sci-fi shit that wouldn't be out of place in an episode of TNG. I just can't shake the intuition that somethingthefuck is going on, here. And just because we don't know what, and just because we haven't broken it down into a math equation, doesn't mean that our intuition isn't leading us to something genuine.

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In 1889 (year of Hitler's birth) Franz von Stuck painted "The Wild Chase", which portrays Wotan leading a procession of the dead. Notice the resemblance to Hitler. I believe von Stuck was trying to show what the Aryan Collective Unconscious was conveying to him.

So the "Lucifer" (Light Bearer) the jews worship is a fraud, what they really worship is Satan(Saturn/El/Yahweh/Moloch/Baal). Would that mean the true Light Bearer is the Ascended Aryan soul as we are the polar opposite of the kike?


Yea I was turned off from there for awhile as well as it is so far out there. Now I am on a Mongolian Platypus Suit Taylor forum that fights the forces of evil, fact is truly stranger than fiction, kek.

Jung talked about that as well, I believe he called him the Wotan Archetype.
No denying the paintings resemblance.

theres definitely a disconnect between satan and lucifer, they dont match up at all. lucifer shouldnt be worshiped though, since he was just one of us, deity worship feels like a (((trap))) to me. WE are the deity because WE are part of a much larger force of good that works through us therefore WE are all the same deity. this is what i believe we interpret as 'soul'.

and when i say WE and US, i mean those of us who know what we are and why we are here. i personally think that not all "humans" are born "good" (clearly), those of us who are "god" will understand that we are connected to a greater for of good. just as, i assume, those (((evil))) subhumans understand they are connected to a greater force (of evil).

where the masses of the brainwashed good goy-herd fall into this is unknown to me. but i suspect that redpilling them will allow them to find their own inner light.

You must certainly read this if you have not already.
philosopher.eu/others-writings/essay-on-wotan-w-nietzsche-c-g-jung/

Where Hitler was Wotan, I kind of see Trump as Apollo. A figure of renewal and light, springtime energy and music. Wotan was dark and wise and terrible. Apollo is a happy noontime tipsy. Personally, I feel drawn to the energy of the Wild Hunt. It's interesting that the dark and occluded power of Holla Forums worked behind the scenes to usher in the bright dawn of Apollonian Trumpism. Perhaps that's the true meaning of Kek?


When I wondered what I'd be when I grew up, I'll be honest - "Internet Nazi frog wizard" never crossed my mind.

I have not yet discovered why some of the Jews, Masons, etc. claim to serve Lucifer; it might be slander or just their own ignorance. Do you have a source equating Moloch to Saturn? I suspected as much, but I haven't looked into it lately

That is the w3ay I understand it to be after studying the Kybalion, Gnosticism, Buddhism. We are all a small part of The Eternal.


We are the modern Magi of this world I guess. Real life wizards. Memetics, ancient knowledge, and our Aryan blood empower us. If there were Millions of us the jews would not stand a chance, fuck them. Its all pretty surreal tbh.


No source but Moloch means King, and Baal mean Lord, I think they are just titles for Saturn/El.

Message for you that will self-destruct in 5 minutes.
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Yes, I understand completely. It's like some kind of awful prank at the same time it's the profound truth of my life.

says it has already destructed

Wew. Yeah they're one-time pads, I guess someone else got it first. I have a feeling these will be important in the next few weeks.

destructingmessage .com/msg.php?k=rjhx5ttwu9

roger that

George Lincoln Rockwell was America's potential savior until he was assassinated. One of the first things Trump does is say he's going to place the bust of the pig Churchill back in the Oval Office. He's a sleazy shitbag. If a revival is possible in America it is not with Trump.

Saturn isn't El, he's Kronos as far as I know. El/YHWH usurped Saturn by the Black Cube, which is still revered by Abrahamists (Tefillin for Jews, Kaaba for Muslims, Cross for Christians Pic related) which could be what empowers it enough to keep Saturn/Minerva/Baal all bound inside (The Kaaba specifically) and perhaps the Cube is actually a spiritual prison that works the same way the Seal of Solomon does with Gods and maybe even Abrahamist souls instead of demons? Maybe instead of Heaven, Abrahamists will gain permanent residence inside the Black Cube.

Kek. I see this map and think, I don't know what this map depicts exactly, but I clearly ended up in the wrong timeline.

It's not that simple. I attend church and do my best to follow the teachings of Christ. Many of the old traditions still continue. And they have nothing to do with Christianity.
For example, at New Year, I have to visit my mum. I must have salt in my left hand and coal in my right hand. I remember the same ritual when I was a kid. I asked my grandmother about it and she told me that it's to balance out light (salt) and darkness (coal) and that both are essential. It's like the yin/yang thing that the Chinese have. There are many rituals like this. Another one is to rub money on a baby's forehead and tuck the coin away in the blanket, so it's difficult to find. When I was shopping with my wife, a couple of chavs approached us and did that to our baby daughter. I thanked them. I was shaken tbh. Such kindness and respect for tradition is not easy to find.
I make a fire in my garden at Halloween - all saints' day. That is a pagan festival. Christianity had to meld with the old religion to be successful. Catholicism knows this; so you can pray to saints. I'm Protestant. But I don't like that distinction. I only 'protest' when I'm threatened. Which is almost never.

Pics are of my church. It's very old. I usually avoid the services and go there to pray. Prayer is meditation and giving God recognition. I always light a candle.

To tell you the truth, I admire your dedication in a way. I could never make my personal beliefs quite line up enough with communal Christianity enough to ever go into a church again. I guess some of us have to be anchorites in our own weird, fucked up way. But keep doing good work, and I hope you harvest a lot of happiness from it.

Fucking Churchill, what a grade A shabbos goy cuck. He knew the jew for what they truly were then proceeded to sell his people and the world to them, disgusting. Rockwell definitely had the Wotan and/or hero archetype to him as well as he stood against Marxism and Jews and was martyred for it. Tesla as well as he gave light to the world and the jew sabotaged and tried to destroy him, with the kike JP Morgan and others, pilfering and hiding his lifes work to elevate humanity with EM drives, Free Energy and more.

Yes the hexagram or Saturns Star is used to summon entities. The Star of Saturn is the hexagram, so you are saying it is a key for Saturn? Would that mean Yahweh/Demiurge/El is inside Saturn and it is just a prison or its home?

Or is Saturn an entity of its own?

Well well, looky here. I had assumed Saturn was El/Elohim, what is the relationship I wonder?


https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Saturn_Records

Yes. Though this is not a well-received view, I have ultimately concluded that nothing other than hardline spiritual Hitlerism is the answer, in the footsteps of Rockwell, Miguel Serrano etc.. I have no more respect for Trump or Putin than Churchill; I couldn't care less if they are racialist.

I just read your post again. So Saturn is the home of what the jews worship and they are trying to go be with it? Would Saturn be the Merkava(chariot) that houses El? Goddamn if my brain could short circuit and catch foire it would be now. Shit makes me think of Xenogears lel. Where is Xenobro I wonder?

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Did you doubt me?

Hah! Hive mind. Knew you were around brother.

Generally I prefer the term "ascendant" and use it to describe the inevitable (unless the jews jave their way) ascension to godhood that white people will eventually achieve.

I hope you paid heed to my destruct code? I think it's time we started reminding our "betters" who's in charge here.

Yea man, I think this place is compromised as well especially recently with the non stop sliding and d&c, always good to have options.

spiritual humanism doesn't necessarily contradict Christianity.

This guy is denouncing a caricature of religious belief.


Sure, it's silly to say that God is a gaseous vertebrate floating over the Northern Hemisphere. That is a caricature of monotheism.

Furthermore, Christians have been talking about seeing Jesus in their neighbors for as long as there have been Christians.

www.victorzammit.com

has boatloads of evidence to support the argument that spirits do exist.

So I will consider your claim after you disprove Zammit.

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From what I know, Saturn is its own entity - one of the Middle East's Old Gods, also known as Kronos. YHWH/El/Yaldabaoth imprisoned Saturn in the Black Cube along with many other Old Gods, including Europe's. I might just be crazy but this theory makes sense to me and really motivates me to destroy all of Abrahamism and help the Old Gods defeat Yaldabaoth.

Thanks mate. I try to be the best person that I can be. Christ is a template for that. Sure, I fall short. We all do.
But that's my religion. I never proselytize. My wife and kids can come to church with me if they wish: I don't impose my religious beliefs on them nor you.
It's not easy to explain. It's a link to life. We are all on this planet for a purpose. Life is not easy. It is always a challenge. Discovering the purpose is almost impossible.
That's why Christ carried the cross. He took our burdens, selfishness and showed it to us.

Prayer will always guide. It's often valuable to shut off the noise and stress of the outside world and spend some moments in prayer. It is deep meditation and thanks for this life.

I don't know man, maybe Saturn is the entity behind the Star of David's power. But I think the six-pointed Star is properly called the Seal of Solomon, used to control demons. Perhaps the Black Cube of Yaldabaoth works the same way, but with Gods and Abrahamist souls.

What is the black cube then? A representative of the Qlippoth? Kronos/Cronos did consume his children as did Saturn according to lore iirc.
So the hexagram is like The Key of Solomon says, a key to the "black box" that contains Saturn and other beings. Why did Yahweh/El/etc. imprison Saturn?

I thought Yahweh/El was the Demiurge, the false god of this corrupted world who is incomplete, why would an evil god imprison another evil faggot, competition?

Asserted without proof.

If you are interested in famous texts, e.g. the Old Testament, just get an interlinear translation. It is much, much more effective than most other solutions.

If you want software that can run with anything, I can't help you.

A truly powerful general-purpose translation program would be great, but I've seen a lot of bad attempts at translation software that are not worth your time.

yes The Greater Key of Solomon is linked to summoning 72 beings supposedly, goetic demons. Like you say other "gods" and kike souls could also play into it somehow, all the "elite" seem to be extreme materialists and/or atheists, it makes you think for sure.

I'm just trying to give Saturn a fair analysis instead of letting the stories do my thinking for me. If Saturn is a Semitic deity of evil, it's likely the Jews worship him because Saturn would just be another name for YHWH/El/Yaldabaoth. If he was not evil, then of course the ((((God))) of Abraham would have to lock him up in the Black Cube Whose details I have none of other than the three Abrahamic religions revere it

No my dude, the Gods the Black Cube imprisons would include the Old Gods of Europe as well as Egypt's, hence why Kek who was so obscure and hidden away that he managed to avoid imprisonment would want Yaldabaoth's head on a plate. The kike souls thing is partially true because all Abrahamists would go there, not just Jews. This means Muslims and Christians too.

I thought you said Saturn was a different entity to El? I'm not trying to bust your balls just trying to use analytical thinking to figure out the relation between all this. That black box represents a container for something that is for sure. And the Hexagram seems to represent a key or door into the black box or a key to something else.


I don;'t know if the black box would be worshipped by jews and muzz if it was a container for the non jewish gods, unless they worship it as a sign of the prison they have used to trap the Old gods.

the cube is most likely a conduit between the earth and saturn, since the shape of the cube matches the shape of the storm on saturn, and all the (((usual suspects))) worship both of them.

Meh, you ain't busting my balls. I was just looking at Saturn as a separate entity, because that's the consensus I believe. If you can truly link YHWH to Saturn, that'd be great

Exactly. Hence why Rabbis who are so into controlling others use their Tefillin in prayer, and Muslims who are all about submission to Allah go so far just to see the Kaaba. They both empower the form of the Black Cube, but do so in ways that are unique to their brand of Abrahamism. I mean, we've already established the fact that (((Monotheism))) requires one God; It would be a top-priority of that God to keep the other Gods subdued.

So maybe the Black Cube is the portion that binds the Abrahamist's mortal coil, while Saturn binds their souls? Maybe Saturn isn't an entity at all, but a tool of Yaldabaoth, or is just one aspect of the (((God))).

As I've understood it, the modern widely accepted form of Hinduism holds there is indeed an ultimate godform, and that the lesser gods on down the line of hierarchy are facets or emanations of that ultimate god, in a way.

Christianity had (has?) a very similar system in the form of the heavenly hierarchy of angels. There are different interpretations, of course, but the general belief is that angels are spiritual beings which are distinct from both God and from material creations or human souls, they have personal responsibilities or spheres of influence, and they, unlike humans who have free will, act invariably in accordance with the will of the supreme God according to their specific spheres of influence. In my opinion, the European interpretation of angels is very similar to the god hierarchy of Hinduism. While not considered "gods" in Christianity, they fulfill a functionally identical role. Catholicism, of course, even allows for a "totally not worship" form of ancestor worship in the form of praying to saints ("culture heroes") for intercession and guidance.

My belief in terms of a broader-scope religiosity is that the name and symbols of Christianity are too deeply embedded in European culture and history to be removed easily, and frankly that energy would be much better utilized elsewhere. I am in favor of continually reintroducing European pagan elements to the existing gestalt of Christianity, not cutting it away and putting something new in its place, but rather bringing the existing religion more and more in line with ancient European faiths and culture. Honestly, I feel it's mostly the coat of paint you put on it, and there's no good reason we couldn't emphasize angelic spheres of influence and intercession even in the framework of a purportedly monotheistic faith. And there's also no reason angels all have to be winged guys in togas, that shit was from a particular time period and needn't be dwelled on. Angels look like everything from completely normal humans to Cthulhu, traditionally.

Pure Cohencidence
Hexagram on Saturn is awfully suspect


I cannot, I can however link El to YHWH . Saturn and its true nature elude me, going by ancient texts Saturn and/or Chronos were cannibal gods that consumed/destroyed their own. The hexagram goes back to Sumeria and even before most likely, The Sumerians worshiped the Anunnaki. They talked of beings from the sky like Anu and El, and they are the worlds first recorded civilization.


Below is a link about it, it does not appear to be any epiphany however


http:// ancientlinks.blogspot.jp/2011/01/differences-between-cronus-and-saturn.html

Well see here Mr., pre-Christian religions already had such a system in place with the All-Father figure always present. This works out fine because the other Gods are kin to the All-Father, but in Monotheism no such kinship exists between Angels and God. This is a very wide gap, one that I don't believe can be bridged by simply adding in European traditions because on a fundamental level, the One True God of the Bible is all that matters because all those angels just take orders from him. Not a system I could enjoy.

Maybe you could link Saturn to Moloch. The cannibalism sounds like the place to start after that whole Spirit Cooking business.

Yea Saturn/Moloch/Baal/Minerva//etc. all have a murderous history and followers, there may be something there. Maybe all names for the same being or race of beings. They all have the same M.O. for the most part, along with whatever the kikes and masons call "Lucifer"

Idk about Baal, I heard some stuff about him.

Anywho, that group of Jewish demons (Excluding Baal till further notice) is easy to link to YHWH/El/Yaldabaoth. Just look at the murderous hooknose nature of Biblical God in the Old Testament. Ordering your pet Jews to commit blood magic to kill Egyptian children? Giving your blessing to (((Jacob))) instead of Esau, or (((David))) instead of Goliath?

Easy explanation. He didn't do it because it was a different God. He did it because it was a hidden, secret aspect as the same God the Israelites worshipped, so striking it down was to keep it a secret.

Why do you keep blogposting with these pictures? I've seen you claim you wife died years ago in a car accident, then say later on that your wife is alive and Indian(?), now you're going on about salt and coal.

Abraham was the first man to sell the idea of monotheism, for those that did not know.

In my opinion, that is why there is so much confusion about the son of God. Christians know that he was not jewish, but a messiah. the jew says he was a jew prophet (and they let the romans kill him while they cheered).
The Satanists Zeena and Nikolas Shreck say he was a Master Black Magician Meme magician, more-like From age twelve to age thirty there is no documentation of him living in the holy land, and many scholars think he traveled to the Himalayas and practiced the discipline of Buddha. So, even as a follower of Christ it is logical to acknowledge that more than one god is believed.
To add to the that "Spiritual Humanism", The Nazis considered themselves Humanist. If you want to see how (((academia))) has tried to subvert Humanism, look no further than Dominique Janicaud The Human Condition He stages Humanism as a last resort.

Personally I believe that belief is not nearly as important as laying your life down for what you believe. What the goldsteins and greenbergs of this world don't want you to know is that you can envision a personal god. An Archetype of your self in Peak Condition in all fields, A renaissance man. A goal to always strive towards, no matter the condition, as long as the fire burns. If this aspiring renaissance man finds himself lurking Holla Forums webm threads for inspiration so be it. If he finds himself with an unhealthful craving for happenings, so be it, as long as that man remains humble in esteem and fruitful in his field, he will march on towards God's Glory.
If he finds himself amid controversy and degenerates, so be it. He can Prevail. Look The God Emperor. Clearly a Man of God. To be honest, I've been watching a lot of him lately so I can emulate him in the future.

To rewind, whichever God you believe in, you should always strive to carry out your god's will and how your god would have it carried out.

Baal just means Lord, Moloch means King, Satan means Adversary, Lucifer Means Light Bearer. What or who are they titles for is the question. The OT god is indeed one bloodthirsty genocidal fuck, with emotions like a woman on the rag. If you love me you will do this, or sacrifice this for me because I am angry, or only have eyes for me or else. I could never worship such a thing. Also in the OT they refer to the Star of Saturn(hexagram) as the Star of Remphan or Star of Chiun.


http:// biblehub.com/topical/c/chiun.htm

heathen deity (perhaps corresponding to Priapus or Baal-peor) – Chiun. …

Why do you try to sully Jesus' name by bringing him up in a discussion about (((YHWH)))? This is why I hate Cuck Stains.

You are why I fucking hate kikes. Filtered

The Abrahamist shows he loves YHWH more than Christ yet again.

No.
Plato's teachings became NeoPlatonism (degeneracy) when influence by CHristianity and Jews

/fringe/ is just another Christian group

JEWSSSSS!
You have no spirituality outside of stuff involving Jews = /fringe/

Well, the Canaanites do appear to have been practitioners of human sacrifice. Not on the scale of the Aztecs, but in situations like droughts and before major wars, they would sacrifice small numbers of children by burning them alive in a large metal bull. When the jews intermingled with them originally, maybe that's where their tradition of blood libel was born. I'm quite sure blood libel works - it's too consistent a feature in human societies for it to have developed for no reason, in my opinion. Good thing we know now there are better ways. Like meme magic. It's interesting just how much Canaanite shit the jews actually held onto. The more you learn about judaism, the more you realize it's a syncretic religion, or at least was in its early days. It's packed to the gills with foreign gods and rituals, with no small amount of "contact" looking shit as well.

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Yea if the Old Testemant part about the jews adopting the practices of the Canaanites like Moloch worship are true that is a definite link. Perhaps Moloch=Saturn? From what I can tell they just steal and bastardize anything useful like the Kabbalah and damn near everything else they claim is their invention, besides sucking bloody baby dick and their Talmud. Jews are a people, who like the nigger have never made anything worthwhile in their entire history, just theft and plagiarism.

Anyone got an image of the 'pagans' who weren't white?

Polite sage because off-topic

bump against D&C faggots and yids shitting up the catalog and sliding the fuck out of good threads

America has immortalized and idealized all of the interesting quirks of our history, like cowboys, mountain men, pioneers and so on. While it's definitely adolescent compared to old world culture, I still think we have plenty of material to work with to create a swell of national pride, through song, imagery, etc.

The issue is that your average norman European would laugh at any American who considered themself to be Irish, German, English or what have you. Even the ones who are genuinely German or Irish-bred or what have you and not just an amalgamation of them all. There's even a word for them for the former which is plastic paddy. Keep in mind though the main reason Americans do this in the first place is because white identity and whiteness is under siege from all sides, so they attempt to return to their roots.

So American whites don't really have a choice but to identify as pan-european or white. Thus we are whites.

It's important to remember that Christianity didn't falter, it was attacked.

The enlightenment was started by Christians, the scientific method presupposed the existence of God.

The ruling classes and their (((financiers))) of the west were the ones who attacked faith and it only partially worked in the upper echelons of society. WW1 severely damaged the communal Christian spirit in the lower classes (a war that wasn't wanted by the monarchies but desperately petitioned for by petty military men).

Then mass-media and WW2 began the slow corruption of Catholicism as well as the beginnings of cucktianism in protestant churches. Orthodox didn't suffer as much from corruption as they did from wholesale murder.

Fact is, every institution made by man suffers the same creeping corruption, jewish cancer says the same thing in every branch of society. Relativism and subjectivism are inserted into our memeplex as a corrosive agent, shutting down every functioning system. They also preach that every single institution must adopt the same philosophy, many of the 'good feels' cuckstians would drop the faith in a second the moment that they realize Christ is above all and tolerance is not a virtue.

Nietzsche was great at identifying the problems of the world (the last man idea in particular is eerily accurate) but his solutions are simply tone-deaf versions of the same issues he hints at in the first place but with the message of 'man up' haphazardly attached at the end.

Saturn, like the other classical planets, is a deity recognized the world over. These entities each wore a mask appropriate for the civilization they watched over, but they kept to common themes. Saturn at his best presides over a golden age of prosperity and wisdom, but he can also grow cruel and distant.

YHWH certainly manifests some similarities with Saturn, but these appear to have been deliberately cultivated to facilitate his introduction to those people dwelling in Canaan who would go on to become the Jews. Something about YHWH which distinguishes him from the get go is the insistence of being worshiped above all things and later to the exclusion of anything else. The manner in which Christianity and then Islam arose afterwards would indicate that YHWH was refining his method of interacting with his followers to better achieve his goal of attaining the adoration of mortals.

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An example of combining the two would be like Greco-Buddhism. The pantheon of Greek gods, combined with Indian Buddhism and dharma blended seamlessly together. Indian Buddhists had a lot of influence on Greek philosophers including Pyrrhonism and Skepticism. Conversely the Greeks had a great deal of influence on art and the depiction of divinity as Buddha was never depicted as a man prior to this merging of ideas, it was always an empty chair or a tree etc. With the introduction of Greek sculptors all their icons of worship and heroes had a physical form to admire and aspire to. In a sense since Buddha isn't really a god but still divine and the Greek deities are essentially 'powered down' to balance it all out it makes it more like a form of hero worship and a lot easier to digest for logical types as there's little to no magic involved and it's full of characters that one would look up to as role models instead of actually worship. Buddha himself was merged with Apollo. Heracles became the guardian of Buddha, Vajrapani, and when this religion spread as far as japan he became multiple guardians called Nio who still stand at the entrance of many Buddhist temples there to this day. The Greek Boreas and Japanese Fujin are also one in the same as is Hariti and Tyche.

It's part of the legacy left behind by Alexander the Great and his generals and well worth reading up on.


You do that the same way as creating a meme, or an advertisement or casting "chaos magic". You make a symbol, you make a catchy phrase to go along with it, and it gets people interested in the idea/product you want to sell because it's name and image is everywhere and in everyone's mind whether they end up liking it or not.


The problem with this is one that has been plaguing us for decades already is that the majority of people of this planet regard national socialism as a product of pure evil. They need to be deprogrammed first in order to accept it. The alternative to this of course is to re-brand it which is probably a good idea anyway because how many times to we have to correct people on the 'socialism' aspect of it and how it's not like communism? Far too many times. Give it a new name, don't mention the war, and you'll probably get a lot more people interested in it. Most normalfags don't have a clue what it's all about anyway so it'll just seem like a revolutionary new concept to them assuming they didn't autistically study NatSoc Germany's economy and governmental/social structure.

Nigger magic

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If we're going to find a religion that works for everyone, then we should probably abandon the idea of deities altogether. Having an unknowable, untouchable, magical being as the focal point will rub a lot of people the wrong way. Many simply cannot accept something without proof that it exists and can do all that is claimed. What's more there are countless religions that already use gods and have not endured through time. The ones that have have for the most part been fractured into dozens of denominations that can't get along with eachother at all. This lack of unity and lack of logic is why atheism is so popular and growing in strength. Why would anyone want to believe in fairytales that doesn't even have a consistent ideology?

All that being said, spiritualism is important. Necessary even. So many people are content to live their fleeting lives not giving a damn about anyone outside of their own immediate family. Working long hours for people who don't care about them. Voting for people who actively try to make their lives worse. This lack of caring about one's people, one's culture, one's nation is why the world has gone to shit, and why (((people with strong spiritualism))) are able to pull the strings and make everyone dance to their tune. We need something that fosters self-improvement, the desire to help one's community, and the quest for truth in all things.

If we take Eastern Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, Shugendo etc. as examples, their philosophies can be tacked on to almost any other religion, because they are spiritualism without gods. They're guidelines for self improvement in mind, body and spirit without the need to worship anything, and thus have a lot of staying power and a sort of parasitism syncretism that lets it merge with and mould other religions to adopt it's own ways (as with Greco-Bhuddism that I mentioned earlier, and Buddhist-Christianity which is all across Asia.).

As one user suggested earlier national socialism and the various related philosophies we enjoy here already point the way to the path that we should live for maximum success as a culture as well as self-satisfaction. An inquiring mind that's both open to new ideas but tempered by skepticism and logic to be able to reject intellectual poison as the pursuit of truth is both vital and necessary. A body chiselled into the image of athleticism, and the satisfaction that springs not only from attaining this appearance, but from the effort in the crafting of your form. Hard work is satisfying, as-is making people close to you happy, so one should foster a sense of community to bring more people under that umbrella of charity regardless of social class. Rich or poor, all people in community should strive to lift each-other up so that the community as a whole are successful. When communities are successful it in turn makes culture and economy thrive and thus make the nation and race successful too.

We need to takes these ideas and codify them into easy to digest guidelines without requiring the library of books we currently reference (naturally they'd still be available and encouraged reading material for those who want to get deeper into it). We need "saints/angels/heroes" for lack of better words in the form of various people that everyone should look up to as inspiration and role models and, as it was discussed earlier in the thread, maintain some complexity to pull in people interested in the esoteric and pursuit of knowledge as well as those who love a good story. There are plenty of interesting characters in our history such that we don't need gods or fables and there are enough that everyone regardless of their country of origin will have someone that they can identify with. Americans have Dr. George Emory Goodfellow, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt etc. Greeks have their philosophers. Brits have George Orwell. Our heroes are abundant and we should bring them to light again.

All I can say is that I left my religion and I'm not going back, and I'm not joining any new religion either. Enough of religions for my part.

Intl again…

Replace the religion of the conquerors of space with some stagnate philosophies.

Teddy Rosenfeld was a kike. The fact you equate him with Old Hickory who crushed the Rothschild Bank shows how little you know.

It's like you niggers are fresh off the Reddit Express or something.

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I heard Hotwheels was trying to build a direct route to hatechan, I didn't think they would finish it so fast.

Well pardon me for not being from the US. I was under the impression he was liked here and that it was the other Roosevelt that was the kike. FDR is a villain if there ever was one. I'll do some reading to see if what you say is true.

This is all beside the point though, if you have suggestions on role models or on how to make a religion for the modern age then by all means voice them. You've not contributed anything to the thread yet.

Those people are fools.

They have a point though. Why should they believe in Yahweh or Saturn or Zeus or Odin or Sun Wukong or any such allegedly divine beings any more than unicorns or kikimora or kappa or manticores? What is the distinction that separates it from fantasy?

Monotheists and Atheists are absurd:
An absurd proposition can only be contradicted by an equally absurd proposition, when the onus is o the one proposing it to prove it, and in the case of absolutes, to prove it absolutely.

Pagans use 'god' to relate to relationships in world, to nature.
Pagan gods are metaphors for patterns, or congruity of patterns' (inter)acting, and therefore metaphors for natural processes.
This is why pagan gods were imperfect, knowable, because order can be known, and at the same time mysterious, because randomness cannot be known.

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Pragmatism. Deities are tools with which people interact so that they might either learn more about themselves or psyche themselves up for a difficult task. The nature of the tool in question demands belief, and research regarding the Placebo effect demonstrates that learning how to will one's self to believe is a useful skill in its own right.

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Why a deity though? Why not something else more tangible? Surely there's something that can be used to invoke that same reaction without using magical men and women living in the sky. Faith alone isn't good enough. Taking someone for their word that a gigantic lie is good for you is the same reason that so many people believe the holohoax happened. They believed their (((leaders))) and took what they said on face value. (Yes I know it's a bit more complex than that for those living in Europe who'd be arrested for speaking about it, but those of us living on the other side of the pond don't have that excuse.). A skeptic won't accept a god without a fantastic display of mental gymnastics. But he might accept something that you can prove exists and could accept it's worth as a role model for how to live his life.

It's not belief in a lie; it's belief in an abstraction. Suppose you are a soldier, holding belief in a war deity like Mars or Guan Yu sets the mind at ease. The warrior compares himself to the deity, and thinks himself empowered by it. He takes on the intangible energy of the deity and transmutes it into tangible effects on the battlefield. The abstraction also serves as a tool to tie together disparate pieces of information, allowing for the warrior to consider maneuvers that would not be otherwise, when coupled with the transformative effects of psychedelics this phenomena becomes more pronounced.

This is not dissimulate from contemporary findings in the field of psychology regarding willpower. Although when put to the test, each individual manifests a finite amount of willpower (as measured by the ability to resist temptation), those individuals who believe in the idea of infinite willpower outperform those who do not. Similarly, individuals require self-esteem if they are to be successful, and this effect is all the more pronounced for people who have no reason to hold themselves in esteem.

At the end of the day, reality isn't tangible. It's the summation of perceived experiences, so restricting yourself to only those things which are material and rational is foolish. It boxes you in unnecessarily.

Tell me where a promise exists, except in behavior. Gods are the promises of nature.

Except monotheism doesn't require omnibenevolence, so your argument is irrelevant.

The Gods of Polytheism are much like people, but more powerful. The God of Monotheism, however, is a mystery. He does not have to be kind. He does not have to think. He does not have to do anything. And our understanding of him will always be asymptotic.

We seem to be on the same page as to why spirituality is beneficial, but what I want to know is why not just be up front and honest about what you want to do and the benefits that come from spirituality? There's no need to force one singular depiction right from the beginning. There's no need for a creation story or a family history or documenting how many maidens the chief god banged. That stuff doesn't do well to sell an idea anymore, it just makes one look like a loony. If you want a religion that can do well in this era then it needs to appeal to rational thinkers, and materialists will hop onto the ride regardless when the benefits of doing so are known to them.

Then paganism = science now.
The gods are dead. Philosophy for the spirit and Science for the mind. That is the blood faith of Holla Forums now

I haven't really read this thread because im an arrogant bastard but how i see religion – and i have studied it and read a lot – is that with polytheism you have various characters with various personalities and in that sense it is much more /human/.

There's an advantage in believing in these fictional figures that thus gain life in the mind of an adherent because stories is what makes reality and with polytheism you get a culture and variance for multiple personalities and temperaments for free…

That is not to say that you couldnt have this one force or THE ALL that could be behind or part of these very same gods together with the subgods or what have you…

But with pure monotheism all you get is this one god and his stoogee like in christianity and a lot of default culture that would have come together with a more varied person gallery is simply lost.

If you think of ancient greece where there were a temple to this god and a temple to that god and even personifications of beauty, truth – concepts that a culture needs in order to strive for greatness – all this is lost with monotheism…

At the end of the day people need idols to strive to be the best that they can be and i don't think one person – say jesus or mohammed – is someone that fits every person, and of course one needs to have everyone in society able to find their own star so to speak.

I have an idea for a new religion. Something even sensible people might support. MAYBE ill do something with it.

That's some Bill Clinton level lying there kiddo

Real science, not fake Atomistic science.

Double Capricorn here. Loving all this discussion about Saturn. All of it sounds just like me. Hell I have over a thousand hours in Dominions and invested thousands more in god games with a degree of strategy.


Yes, I'm a pro-Lutheran Satanist. What blood-sacrificing jews don't realize is that magic goes away once you stop being smart which is why we're still wizards. Acting like a cult which is really just for seeking acceptance into top globalist group of today by bringing that which is utterly forbidden into reality by spending loads of money on Hollywood movies and celebrity endorsements and etc..ultimately saps the magic of it. Just looking at what happened to the gook president of worst korea is just icing on the globalist/cultist cake once Trump moves in.

IMHO, the best arguments in favor of polytheism over monotheism were those by Romanian philosopher of the right E.M Cioran.

More excerpts from The New Gods here >>>/cucktianity/162

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>These were the cornerstones of the Christian God, and it is echoed in other traditions like Zoroastrianism.

You have this backwards, user. Zoroastrianism taught the existence of a single, all-good God 500 years before the Jews did. Jews co-opted the Zoroastrian religion just like the co-opt everything else.

Creation myths ought to be read as pure allegory, but you're right to point out the tendency of some groups to transform allegories about the nature of experiential reality into dogmas to be taken as literal truth. A lot of what's paraded around today as religion is little more than empty, soulless dogma peddled by greedy men. The story of Hades and Persephone isn't useful because they were actual people whose interactions affect us to this day, but as a tool to get people to think about the nature of their soul. There's also no reason why someone should restrict himself to only examining these things through the lens of a specific tradition.

Cioran spent his last few days hanging around a Catholic priest, I wouldn't go to him for pagan apologism.

Additionally, the New Gods talks of them more from a rhetorical/pseudo-psychological point of view.

basically he was a closeted catholic

Dubs confirm Ahura Mazda vs the (((Demiurge)))

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Dubs indeed.

fucking amateurs haven't read my book

its like you're a full retard


oh god here comes the nutty Saturn troll

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Makes you think…

http:// humansarefree.com/2016/12/organic-portals-race-of-soulless-humans.html

Secrets in Plain Sight

The humans from 60k years ago made our religions. The "Egyptians".

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O fortuna!


This is very close. To pray for beneficial emanations from your being and thus the core of all circumstances you are in.


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Reminder that Zoroastrianism is a fucking poison and that's why Nietzsche re-memed him as a person who found out that "God is dead and we have killed him" because it was pure degeneracy to believe in "evil" as it spreads fucked up behaviors in the name of "goodness" or "fighting evil"

I knew this was going to be a shit thread