Holla Forums will still defend the ussr

dont you know they killed 10 gazillion people?

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archiv.randzone-online.de/art/art060525.htm
nizkor.org/features/qar/qar11.html
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1946_1947_13_Statistics.pdf,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933#Nazi_counter-boycott
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Colour me surprised!

Reddit will eat up all the neoliberal capitalist lies

This person is basically Ayn Rand-tier

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does anyone else notice that these anti-communist amas come up every now an then on reddit? am i being paranoid or is this obvious shilling?

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I was about to make a post about this, way to waste it with a shitpost. Anybody know who the father was and why he was killed?

This is now a kek thread
PRAISE KEK

I don't particularly care that they did. It doesn't have anything to do with me.

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Anfem threads need to be saged

vladimir stalin and joseph marx killed over 90 billion people during the great five leap plan

oh yeah its not like nazi documents exist specifically demanding jews be put into camps
or that both allied forces came across said camps
and that 12 million people died

Holodomor was literally just a famine that got out of hand, due to kulaks hoarding all the resources for themselves.

The Holocaust is a convergence of eyewitness, photographical and documented evidence.


Stalin was selling grain that could've been used to feed the population and refused outside help. You can try and justify it but don't deny it.

read that
literally sounded like my high school history class: communism didn't work because they paid lawyers the same as ditchdiggers and so nobody worked

wew

WEW

it's grossly apparent you don't know how things worked
besides being utterly untruthful to begin with it shows how full of shit you are generally speaking

those comments are reactionary, even for reddit

Jesus

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan_(Soviet_Union)

Dorothea Jauernig (D.J.): You lived with your family in the country at the time of collectivization. How have you experienced the collectivization? How do you see it today?

Alexander Zinoviev (A.S.): We need to distinguish two different pages in my position. My personal attitude to various events and the results of my scientific work. Our village has disappeared completely. If we consider only the collectivization of this point of view, then one can say that collectivization was a crime or an error. But you have to pull the whole situation in the country into consideration. The industry needed workers. The country needed not only working, it took doctors, teachers, engineers, officers, etc. Without collectivisation it would have been impossible to get so many people for the development of the country. We have lost everything in the country. And our family has left the country. But I became a professor. My brother was Colonel. My older brother director of a factory. Another of my brothers were engineers, etc. Many millions of Russian families have been through a development. For many millions of families therefore the revolution had our revolution. The Stalinist period was of course a great tragedy. But these years were also the best years in Soviet history. You can not understand in what living conditions we lived. Our family lived in a room of 10 square meters. And in this room we lived to eight, sometimes ten men. And we were happy. Why? We visited the school. Everything was for us, the whole culture was open to us.

Another side: Any claim that the productivity of collective farms very low and private plots of production was much higher. That's a lie. Those who say that making a false comparison. Take, for example, a small parcel and say: Look, on this parcel working woman or two and sell them so much and vegetables, etc. But on the kolkhoz work 300 people. Now they are investigating how these people work on the small parcel, how many forces they need on the small plot. In the kolkhoz living conditions were much easier, shorter hours, and especially as the main result: The state has to get enough bread. Without collective farms that would be impossible.

D.J .: Collectivization is often referred to herein as a crime of Stalin.

A.S .: I am against collectivization. My family suffered. But as a scientist I have to say that was the only way for the country to survive. If Stalin had not carried out this policy, then the country would have been destroyed during the war immediately. And the industrialization and even these reprisals were inevitable.

Consider the present situation in the Soviet Union, trying to restore order without arrests, that is impossible. Already many are arrested and are more and more. At Stalin's time the situation in Russia was worse.

It is to assert a false ideology: All people were innocent and only the evil man Stalin and some nasty people raping everyone. That is a lie, an ideological lie. It was a struggle for survival, life and death.

It is perhaps the greatest injustice in the history when Stalin is so maligned - particularly bad it looks when Soviet people forget their own great story. In Russian history, these years were the greatest years ever

I repeat, I am not a communist. I criticized communism since my youth. I have always been anti-Stalinist. But now I am an old man, I will not lie in my lifetime.

Why so many people hate Stalin and the Soviet Union at all? Because the development of this country was tremendously fast, exceptionally fast. All capitalist countries were afraid. They were convinced that this system could be fought everywhere. And since the war against communism began. The II.Weltkrieg was against the Soviet Union. The West has Hitler directed against the Soviet Union. That was not Hitler alone. Now say all, Stalin was to blame. This is also an ideological lie. Practically the West was to blame for this war. The West has done everything to direct Hitler against the Soviet Union. Before the war, after the war and during the war.

The development of the Soviet Union today is a result not only of internal development, but also a result of the relations between the Soviet Union and the West. The Cold War was a real war, no less than the II.Weltkrieg. The Soviet Union was defeated. This situation is not simply the crisis of communism. This is the destruction of communism, from the inside, but from outside too.

I think the main cause is the betrayal of bureaucrats led Khrushchev. He destroyed the ideology and gradually the economy of socialism. There was a change of government, namely the rule of the working class to the rule of the bureaucracy as a new capitalist class.

D.J .: But another question: Are you working for a long time at the University of Moscow. How was teaching at the universities in the 50s and how was it later? Is it true that the Marxist-Leninists were kicked out in the 70s from the universities, as we were told in Moscow?

A.S .: The development was complex. On one hand, the ideological work was under Suslov (he was responsible for ideology under Brezhnev, the Red.) Enormously strong. But was also the Soviet ideology, leaving the Marxist basis. Formally, the Soviet ideology was Marxist-Leninist. Only in words, statements, etc. But in fact the Soviet ideology had lost its Marxist-Leninist basis. And that was one of the conditions of the present crisis.

D.J .: How do you understand this - one of the conditions of the present crisis?

A.S .: Back in the 60s there was the crisis. She began not in the economy but first in the ideology and the moral condition of the higher layers. As they say in Russian: A fish begins to stink at the head.

But at the present situation in the Soviet Union are the people like Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Sobchak so guilty. This is a result of their activities. They are criminals. I am sure that the future generations will condemn these people mercilessly.

This Perestroika people have now only worried about their own skins. You have betrayed our country and our people. If it is possible to retain their position, they are willing to sell the land. In practice, they play the role of a fifth column of the West.

I am not a communist. I say this only as a scientist. This is the result of my research.

I guess we should take Stalin's daughter' writings in account to show how much of a shit head he was

and this is why every non ML is a faggot, everyone

And this is how Stalinists are "intelectually superior".

O wow!

Stalin could've handled everything better than he did. There's no reason to be an ML in a non-agrarian shithole. Council communism is superior in almost every way.

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anyway
interviewer was "ML" party of germany (maoist party), munich 1991
mlpd.de/wahl2013/bundestagswahl/baden-wuerttemberg/dorothea-jauernig
republished 2006 in the Rote Fahne, parties central organ
archiv.randzone-online.de/art/art060525.htm

ML isn't a dogma that only would find application on the soviet union

ML anywhere else would of course look very differently

but a faggot like you wouldn't know since instead of studying it you're too busy talking shit

What exactly is redeeming about the centrally planned allowance system that is present in every ML country?

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Judea had declared war on Germany, it is customary to put people of enemy nations within your territory in internment camps.


There being camps does not mean Jews were exterminated. That is simply not the case

if you were seriously asking this question you'd actually read up on it instead of demanding an answer on an imageboard where you're going to disregard and shitpost all over it anyway. so let me stop this farce right here and there. you're not even able to read a single short interview and research a name if you don't recognize the person (even though you're pretending to be such a fucking expert on the topic, how ironic)

on top you apparently do not even grasp how central planning works and how flexible it actually becomes if done correctly like under the new economic system of planning and management.

and i can already see the reply, some retarded wikipedia quote on it because why actually giving a fuck about your POV if all you need is shitpost whatever helps yourself to dismiss anything challenging

nizkor.org/features/qar/qar11.html

No, the fact that 2.5 million people went to these camps and were never seen again means they were exterminated.

Here's an index of all published evidence(including contemporary documents regarding the extermination of Jews). Or if you're feeling up to it, why not read the 750 page report about Auscwhtiz done for the Irving v Lipstadt trial.

I researched the name, again I fail to see how ML is superior to more libertarian marxist ideologies beyond pragmatic industrialization.

oops
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

Into the trash it goes


Actually, the US Jewish population increased by the exact number that supposedly died in those camps.

Source?

Anyway, there would've surely been evidence of these mass transits of Jews from OVER the Iron curtain and out of Europe by the millions? Care to provide those as well?

The Holocaust happen, did you even bother to click on my second link that had 10's of documents detailing the killings at Auschwtiz?

From looking at this ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1946_1947_13_Statistics.pdf, the Jewish population in 1937 was 4.7 million. In 1945 it was 5 million. A far cry from an increase of 2.5 million people that you were talking about. In fact, the United States still doesn't have over 7 million Jews in it.


You're a retard.

You're forgetting many of those who do not make their Jewish heritage public, but are still indeed Jews thanks to their bloodlines, no matter how scant it may be. They often go unaccounted for in these databases.

You still haven't provided me with any source to back your claims. Or any evidence of mass transits of Jews from over the iron curtain and out of Europe into the United States.

You going to substantiate it or shitpost like a blithering idiot?

This meme

Have you heard of our lord and savior Russell's Teapot by any chance?

Show us your pussy and I'll accept Satan as my lord and savior.

People that fled or had relatives killed generally have bad things to say. People that stay generally have good things to say.

Not to mention the fact that between 1937 and 1945, the U.S. underwent a population growth of 4 million. Considering the fact that this is pretty typical even of a war ridden country, if 2.5 million of these people had been Jews coming in from Europe following the war this would surely of been noted in contemporary literature, eye witnesses, photographs, documents, considering how substantial this would be.

Anyways the "Judea Declares War" thing was part of a foreign and domestic boycott against Germany because the Nazi's had just come into power. If you've ever read Mein Kampf you can see why this would elicit such a reaction in the Jewish community.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933#Nazi_counter-boycott


Indeed. It seems the only thing Satanazi is good for is showing herself off.

Perhaps that is why she went for two of the most meme-tier ideologies?

And you still haven't supplied any concrete evidence that 6 million Jews were gassed to death. So maybe you should do some research yourself


Uh, no, Judea declaring war upon the German people was well documented, even The Washington Post, the New York Times, and other mainstream newspapers reported on it.

Show your body you whore

Show us your pussy or I'll tell all the demons you're a bad fuck. Me and Yavuzenthal are tight so they'll believe me.

Once again, the Holocaust is a convergence of evidence. If you bothered to click on the Holocaust controversies link I sent you, that's essentially an example of the convergence of evidence we to support being a death camp.

Furthermore, this post just shows how little the typical Nazi knows about the Holocaust. No one ever claimed "6 million were gassed to death". It's 5-6 million Jews were killed in TOTAL and sometimes this number is expanded to all of Hitlers 11-12 million victims. The gassing's account for less than half of all of Hitlers Jewish victims?

But how about "The Becker Letter" seized by the United States(along with three others like "The Rauf Letter to the Criminal Institute") which details the gassing's of Jews in Gas vans by the Einztangruppen death squads.

The third picture is a picture of Treblinka taken by the Soviets when it was liberated. Very clearly pictures ashes.

How about the archeological investigations at Sobibor? sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SobibĂłr-Bem-Mazurek-ANG..pdf

The fact that you think you don't have to provide evidence of where millions of unaccounted people went is a clear example of how Holocaust denial is denial, not revisionism. A historical revisionist offers up an alternate explanation backed by as much evidence as the view they're opposing. Holocaust deniers do what their name implies, and deny everything that doesn't match their preconceived ideological dispositions.


Anyway, even though you're a repulsive whore who post her tits on an imageboard full of NEETS, I'm gonna humor you and respond further, though I really shouldn't.

Nah, actually, the commonly repeated figure by Jewish media is "6 million dead by gassing". You must remember that 6 million is a key figure in Jewish numerology, so it's an interesting coincidence that it would come up at the time Israel was founded…huh? As for the picture of Treblinka, one must remember that the Soviets went out of their way to forge evidence. Numerous "gas chambers" were actually installed by the Soviets when they repurposed the camps into gulags.

Also, "seized by the United States" tends to be shorthand for forged as well. Plus, if I'm actually going to investigate that, you're going to need to post an English version for me.

I spoke to a demon and he says show some pussy or ass. If you don't you'll be infested with anti-sexual energy that will drive away all astral intercourse for at least a year.

I don't care about your conspiritard bullshit Satanvagina.

I wonder where you think we would be finding documents regarding the Holocaust if they were not seized by the allies who controlled Germany at the time?

Feldpostnummer 32 704
Kiev, 16 May 1942
B. Nr. 40/42 - Secret Reich Matter
To SS-Obersturmbannführer Rauff in Berlin Prinz-Albrecht-Str. 8

The overhauling of the vans of Groups D and C is concluded. While the vans of the first series can also be used when the weather is not all too bad, the vans of the second series (Saurer) are completely immobilized in rainy weather. This because if it has been raining for only half an hour the van cannot be operated because it simply slips away. It can only be used in good weather. The question now arises if the van can only be used at the place of execution standing. The van must first be brought to that place, which is possible only in good weather. The place of execution, however, is located at least 10-15 km away from the traffic routes and is already difficult to access due to its location; in bad weather it is inaccessible altogether. If those to be executed are led or driven to this place, they notice immediately what is going on and become restless, which should be avoided. The only remaining possibility is to load them in at the place of assembly and then to drive them out. I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm houses in the country. The vans became so well known that not only the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even camouflaged.

The Saurer van that I transferred from Simferopol to Taganrog had a brake damage on the way. At the S.K. [Spezialkommando = special unit] in Mariupol it was verified that the flange [Manchete] of the combined oil and compressed air brake was broken in several places. Through persuasion and bribe at the H. K. P. it was possible to have turned a form after which two flanges were forged. When I came to Stalino and Gorlovka a few days later, the drivers of the vans complained about the same damage. After consulting the commanders of these special units I went again to Mariupol in order to have further flanges for these vans manufactured. It was agreed to forge two flanges for each of these vans, while 6 flanges remained as a reserve in Mariupol for the Group, and 6 flanges were sent to SS-Untersturmführer Ernst for the vans of Group C to Kiev. For the groups B and A the flanges could be obtained from Berlin, because the transport from Mariupol to the north is still too cumbersome and would last too long. Smaller damages on the vans are repaired by technicians of the special units or groups or in a workshop.Due to the uneven terrain and the hard to describe road conditions the sealing and rivet places loosen after some time. I was asked if in such cases the vans can be sent to Berlin for repair. Such a transfer would be much too expensive and cost too much fuel. To save this expense I gave the instruction to solder smaller leaking parts on site and, if this was no longer possible, to immediately inform Berlin by radio that van Pol. No. …. had broken down.Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would escape.

I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention of the special units concerned the immense psychological injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men complained to me about headaches, which appeared after each unloading. Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be issued accordingly. The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed. In the course of this day I will travel on to Group B, where further news may reach me.

Dr. Becker
SS-Untersturmführer

The only decent thing about you is your body.

and even that is still pretty shit

It will be even worse. I've called up my demon m8s on the astral plane and they're going to make her gain a lot of fat if she doesn't post pussy or ass.

Yeah, that's clearly talking about vans, not chambers. Vans by design could only hold a few people at a time even if they were used for gassing (which they weren't). The reason they were called "death vans" was because they were used on prisoners that are extremely sick in order to give them a peaceful euthanisia via carbon monoxide. Nothing about exterminating Jews whatsoever

read the AMA and it's full of "le american dream" and "muh individual merits are impossible with commies". He also cites The Black Book of Communism, what the fuck

Pay attnetion to the "last paragraph"

Now I remember why I don't argue with Holocaust deniers.

Anyway here's another letter regarding the use of gas vans and the extermination of Jews.

I'll post the translation next.

He has to be a neoliberal shill, no one can be that painfully stupid and ignorant.

The Nazi's murdered Jews. I'd also like you find me one credible historian who ever made the ludicrous claim 6 million Jews were "gassed to death"

How about the ,emo from Willy Just for Walther Rauff of 5 June 1942 on "ninety-seven thousand have been processed using three vans", "to facilitate the rapid distribution of CO" and "when the back door is closed and it gets dark inside, the load pushes hard against the door"

And once again: an example of the CONVERGENCE of evidence we used to determine that death camps were you know death camps, this one is Auchwtiz.holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

Anyway, as any proper historian would do you have yet to provide any evidence of where all these Jews in the camps went, while I have provided much to support my contention.

Until you do that I'm not going to bother responding to you, and you should post a video of your privates you inane slut.

Alright then, if they weren't gassed, as is commonly claimed by Jewish media, how did they all die? Were they rounded up and shot all at once? Given some kind of mass poisoning? I'd like to hear your insane theories as to how 6 million people can vanish from the earth leaving no evidence except 6 million people telling you it happened.

Show the commies your pussy or I'll see to it you never fuck again.

You know what, forget it. Nobody seems to give a shit about what I actually have to say and only cares about the fact that I'm a woman.

For the record, I might as well tell you that the vag pic was not done by me, but by someone posing as me. I shave down there.

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This is yet another Zionist lie of omission. Germany had become a cesspool of sin and debauchery when Hitler came to power. According to the prevailing mainstream spewings, the 1950s represent some kind of a powder keg of suppressed aggression, when in fact it was a conservative reaction to the hedonism of the 1920s.

Fuck you slut, post tits.

2.5 million were gassed..

Yes
LOL

Again, until you can provide evidence of mass transits out of the AR camps and I'm not going to take you seriously.


We don't give a shit about you because you're a retard and should kill yourself. Your only redeeming aspect is your tits.

Cool story dude. Pretty irrelevant to what you quoted though.

That's because you say dumb shit and being able to slam your pussy is your only redeeming use. And any unlucky guy who ended up pounding that snatch would never call you again if any other girl would have him because you're a lousy fuck and completely uninteresting to talk to.

The market socialist escort who sells her pussy to pay for college is better than you. As is the bloodplay lesbian and the pessimist catposter who thinks all sex is rape. And every other femanon able to post without sperging out about reptillians or sex magic. I am more than able to talk to any of them about shit and not give a fuck that I would probably fuck them if I had the chance because they're actually interesting and don't spew lines of bullshit. You're a disgrace to your sex and should be ashamed of yourself for being such a moronic cunt who believes in fairy tales. Now show us your pussy and shut the fuck up.

Isn't rebel a girl as well?

gross

No idea. If so they'd still be above satannazi

Oh of course, pretty hard to stoop as low as she does. Her views are those typically espoused by autistic NEETS.

You know, I'm against idpol and all, but when you little fucks begin saying this bullshit about women as if they're just a bunch of toys, it really shows how the other side, despite being useless and spineless wimps, really have a point. Go fuck yourselves.

/r/socialism is that way.

Oh fuck off you filthy asshole. I'm not going to that pansy shithole

Then stop acting like a pansy. The only reason we're saying obscene things to Satanazi is because(it appears) she has a nice body and everything else about her is useless.

As far as /po/lyps go she's not even particularly well spoken.

Oh fuck off and out your cock cage back on faggot, satannazi is a reactionary cunt who deserves humiliation and ridicule.

He came here from Reddit and thought that if he white knights he can get the Satanist Nazi girl on a Canadian beaver hunting forum to show him her skin.

No, I didn't come from Reddit. I've been here for a while?


Wtf is that even supposed to mean? It sounds like psychobabbling bullshit. I'm also not interested in any fucking woman.

I guess that's more likely than reasoning with her.

The you should know who satannazi is faggot.

A white knight is someone who sticks up for women no matter what they do(even if they are by all measures, worthy of death in a gulagand this is coming from a libertarian marxist in the hopes of getting pussy.

Nope, and I don't care


You think I'd stick up for a woman no matter what? Total bullshit. If that imbecile is saying shit, which she is, then fucking address that shit or ignore her. Wtf does her body have anything to do with it? What does saying shit about how a guy would only care for her as a person just to fuck her and then never want to see her again? You're full of shit.

Did you not pay attention to the thread at all?

Wew stop posting anytime soon

address it OR ignore it.

That's it.

Wow!

I addressed everything she said. Reactionaries like her deserve to be criticized on every level.


I believe he said any unlucky guy, because most guys would stay as far away from her as possible after hearing a facet of her verbal diarrhea.

ITT: leftcom BTFO satannazi

Describing shitty scenes about a person it not a fucking "critique"


.Same fucking difference

Dude this is a chan board, not a fucking debate club. On this same website exist boards dedicated to child porn, so I don't know what level of discussion you're expecting.

In case you haven't noticed, there are other females that use this board and satannazi is the only one who elicits this response because she wholeheartedly deserves it. If it's to mean for you like I said, /r/socialism is that way.

m.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4xum3y/iama_survivor_of_stalins_dictatorship_and_im_back/d6ilyio

m.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/4xvzmd/what_do_you_think_of_tankies_is_asked_to_survivor/

m.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/4xw7nr/shitliberalssay_is_really_mad_that_an_old_man/

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m.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/4xw7nr/shitliberalssay_is_really_mad_that_an_old_man/

I love how LeftyPol keeps defending genocidal dictators.
You would all prefer to defend Stalin, then have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that the USSR was a shithole and a hell for millions of people.
No wonder why most people despise communists.
You would prefer to remain obscure and hated, then denounce the USSR and gain massive support.

Like what? Because I strongly suspect non-Marxist ideologies.

And the superiority is aptly demonstrated by Venezuela: Bolivarians decided to be "smart" and "liberal" about things. Except changes in social system need to extend to economic system, but they didn't do shit and let market run unchecked. Inevitable rebound happened.


If you run Capitalist economy (basis), it will be forcing social system (Superstructure) to conform. You can force things happen through the government only for a time. And all of this time needs to be used to actually change the basis into a system that supports actual economic freedom of population (not bullshit capitalist "freedom" of slave-owners).

This means sufficiently strong state that can prevent any form of capitalist mode of production and reinforce socialist mode of production. I.e. co-ops.

And you need Central Planning, that will settle crucial disputes between co-ops in an organized and fair manner, rather than let unchecked market competition turn co-ops against each other in a desperate battle for survival a-la Capitalism 2.0. Because it actually weakens economy.

And this poses a question -how to decide what is economically fair? Because without some uniform economically applicable set of ethics you will get individual decisions that will introduce corruption. I.e. question "what is good for everyone?" needs to be answered in sufficiently clear and strict way. And the ML ideology says that it is movement towards Communism through technological advancement that is good for everyone (including as of yet unborn people).

I.e. disputes have to be settled in a way that industrializes state.

My main issue is the fact that the state goes unchecked. If there is no counter to the state the bureaucrats of the state can pursue their own interest(as they did).


Not like Holla Forums, who defends actually genocidal dictators? I've met people who liked the USSR, who's "Muh lived experience" is more important faggot?

I love how tankies don't care about killing millions.
Good luck making your USSR LARPING fantasy a reality while the majority of people despise you authoritarian apologizing faggots.
At least the fascists are more honest about their intentions.

It's shit like this that makes me disgusted with communists and makes me want to support liberals.

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He enjoys the higher quality of life for himself. He doesn't care about authoritarianism or about the United States exporting it's misery. That's my issue.

I love how ML's have this idea that the kulaks "deserved" to be killed by Stalin, it's like listening to fascists talk about killing the Jews.

I'm disgusted with how LeftyPol still defends the USSR.
Tankies are as bad as Nazis and white supremacists defending Hitler

Again I'm not a tankite but why is it surprising hearing communist talk about killing capitalist? The Kulaks were land owners who employed people on their farms?

It's called direct democracy. You elect people to posts. As many posts as reasonable. For example, federal judges get elected, not appointed.

As they didn't. As in "provably didn't". What are you even talking about? All post-Soviet states immediately got an immense growth of bureaucracy. I.e. Soviets clearly inhibited bureaucrats.

Is it direct democracy you hate so much? "Being burden to the state" was one of the reasons post-Soviet states immediately dismantled direct democracy of Soviets and greatly numbers of council members/parliament members (so as to make them less accountable to population) - who weren't even burden to anything, since that was part-time job. There were no "professional politicians" in USSR.

Kulaks were not executed for being born kulaks. They organized uprisings, killed people, terrorized population, sabotaged railways, and were synonymous with rural organized crime in both Russian Empire and early USSR.

Apparently, we are not allowed to act against drug cartels either, because it is discrimination not unlike Hitler's, eh?

We aren't the ones buying into this imperialist propaganda that is clearly meant to discredit socialism and communism in the eyes of the general public

Like it or not, the USSR was/is a significant part of socialist history and neoliberals are doing all they can to slander it with a bunch of bullshit lies

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Where's the archive of Satan's tits?

You damm well know I mean the NVKD taking people away and them never being seen again.

Discredit communism?
Hahahaha
You discredit yourselves by defending Stalin, then whine about how his crimes are "western/neoliberal propoganda".
No wonder why people won't support you.
Instead of being intelligent enough to realize that the USSR was a failed, shitty hellhole that produced garbage products, forced its citizens to live in third world conditions, while also responsible for the deaths of innocent kulaks that didn't want their grain seized by the state.

ML's and other Tankies are the reason why communism will never receive mass support.
They should be killed off.

Innocent capitalist? Hello fellow communist!
Also, the USSR and Mao taught us that communism in agrarian nations usually doesn't work. But the conditions under communism were much better than the Tsar, and Russia still isn't in the Top 40 HDI despite being a capitalist nation.

Again: without the USSR you would be speaking German right now.

I wonder if Tankies realize that Zizek has criticized the Soviet Union and called it a suicidal regime.

I love this phrase

I don't deal in Cold War memery.

Or is this argument against police in general?

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I repeat: how any of this is an argument against ML?

Was McCarthyism caused by ML too?

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It's an argument the state having full discretion over the police.

Okay. That was unexpected.

What exactly are you talking about? I.e. how police should be organized then?

Are we talking private police here?

A state police force, the means of which a regime exercises it's authority.

As I've said: what is your alternative?

Freedom of expression within the press(when atrocities are well known public pressure is put on those who perpetrated them to change their ways immediately), a court system with an open database of those arrested, semi-democratic control of the police departments between areas.

As if.


Leaving aside your naivety, how exactly does any of this contradict ML?

So Katyn and discussion of famine being illegal were okay things from your POV?


It has to do with opposing the idea of an all encompassing state.

What exactly was illegal? And what does it have to do with ML?

Nobody suggested "all-encompassing" state.

Criticizing the regime.

This is what ML has led to every time.

That what every state led to, if I got you correct.

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