idpol is an American invention to give the illusion of opposition, while being inherently capitalist/imperialistic in itself. Despite having nothing to do with leftism, they use labels like "marxism"or "socialism" to trick the fools into voting for the estabilishment American parties because "muh sex/race equality!
You can't refute this
I'm sure that is what all of Holla Forums already knows
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We still have some fools here who think that idpol will "subvert" the west's morals or some shit, instead of just dividing everyone.
How is it inherently imperialist or capitalist?
morals dont exist
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It's not inherently capitalist, but the progressive liberals in America have intentionally divorced anti-racist and sexist struggles from their socialist elements, essentially shifting the focus of societal conflict from class to race and gender. Basically they're using racial and gender conflict to distract people from class conflict, except instead of promoting it from the white supremacist side they doing it from the anti-racist side.
Spooky abstractions to keep the normal American moron busy, while distracting from the real hard-hitting socio-economic issues.
I wouldn't say ID Pol started out that way, nor do I think most people who hold identity politic positions on the left or the right are necessarily doing it with bad intentions. But as racism and sexism are starting to wane as successful divide and conquer strategies and religion is starting to subside as well, the establishment powers are basically trying to grab a hold on any culture issues they can can safely take sides on unattached to economic issues. It gives the illusion they have a platform on something when in reality they don't.
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idpol is anti-imperialist in nature and is useful for dividing up the global capitalist hegemony in preparation for a socialist uprising worldwide
Can't disagree with anything you said here. I think most of us feel that way except for a few reddit fags wandering in every once in a while.
Kek nice false flag Holla Forums. I hope no one calls for this bait.
How has idpol been useful for ANY left movement at all? You do realize that they are mostly responsible for the rise of alt-right memesters as well?
They are no better than tankies stuck in the 20th century making us look like shit to normal, sensible people that would otherwise help out cause.
reactionaries will always fight back against progress, nothing new there
nice meme anarchy shitter
Liberal identity politics is shit, no one disagrees with that. But this board gets triggered way too easily whenever someone talks about how women, ethnic minorities, sexual minorities, whatever, are treated slightly different by society.
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Why does this bother you? What are you insecure about? If you act spooky, people will obviously call you out on it. If only you could look at the non-english speaking internet you'd realize how much you're messing up, and people are sick of your shit.
Tell me how idpol has helped advance socialism in any way shape or form
Also, most of this american "intersectionality" is based on relativism that isn't even equivalent. So people are obviously gonna get angry at you.
I think the real question is: what is it about pointing out disparities between groups of people that gets peoples' jimmies so rustled?
This place likes to act like it's better than Holla Forums, but whenever these issues are brought up the same people come around and spout off rhetoric that, although sprinkled with some lefty sounding dressing, sounds exactly like Holla Forums does when they go on about "muh sjws". I'm not even exaggerating when I say you can copy+paste that shit in any Holla Forums thread and no one would bat an eye.
Liberal idpol may be cancer, but that's not an excuse to go full reactionary.
And the fact that you think that "group" of people are different isn't reactionary? We are all humans, live in a globalized world, and share the same thinking patterns, it hurts their feelings and inteligence to think just because someone is part of a group they should behave by the tribe's mentality. This is the highest form of respect, to treat you as a fellow and expect the same things. Liberals are just as racist as the "racists" they criticize.
It's very typical of American and British people to treat people outside of their stock like some exotic mumbo-jumbo wacko.
Acknowledging that different groups of people face different forms of oppression isn't reactionary. Acting like they don't or that the world is some homogenized group is just denying reality.
When the Ottomans conquered the fuck out of the Balkans was it oppression or "just life"? Or only when whitey does it it's evil?
m8 come on
Either way, oppression from who? Why should i pay for what someone else did? Not every human relationship works like slave/master. Reality isn't black and white.
Well I'm not really sure of the particulars of the conquest of the Balkans. Conquering generally comes with some form of oppression, though.
The Ottomans definitely had an oppressive relationship with the Armenians.
No. That's rediculous.
With this, i don't think there's any argument to favor American Intersectionality, no one takes it seriously because of it's faulty logic, nor does it serve to "subvert the west" because it's dumb as shit and does nothing but cause useless drama on the internet.
no one is asking you to pay for anything, Holla Forumsfam.
Goddamn Holla Forums is practically Holla Forums at this point
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It wasn't meant to be an argument, it was statement pointing out how ridiculous it is to think anyone wants him to pay for anything. God damn you people are autistic.
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Oh! So Pontian Greeks were fine and Smirna never happend and the Young Turks were fine right?
Also, what happend with the Balkans is what happened all the time in human history. .. uless you are the US or GB and you don't know this cause you never get it, you only give it.
Eastern Roman Empire fell, Ottomans took over. At first everything was fine "just a change of lord" but then the economy wasn't going well so "you are not muslim so you pay extra just for being alive".
So, just human history as usual.
But just like now, there were people who were like "christians are being oppressed more than mulsims, cause they are christians!" And no, it was cause the material conditions were shit.
Also, Polansky's "The Pianist" has a nice scene about all this IdPol.
After Poland gets invaded and Ze Joose go to tha Gheto, there are still bourgies and prols, even more so, and the base hasn't change at all. IdPol is BS cause it doesn't change the base.
It's not leftypol's fault that an entire movement has been conected with it's paranoid side. It's the movements fault for not getting rid of that side.
You know.. Like feminism and "kill all men" and BLM and "evil whites".
A program that has an almost imperceptible impact on the power/class dynamics of the US that is largely blown out of proportion.
How does colleges creating programs to bring in more minority students take anything away from you?
Don't know much about it tbh. I just used the Armenians as an example of the Ottomans oppressing a group of people because you were insinuating that I thought only whites could be oppressive.
But the Christians were being targeted and faced a disproportionate tax burden based on their religion. I'm sure it has a material reason for occurring but the Ottomans used the identity angle to justify it. This type of treatment tends to force people to develop some form of group identity and you aren't going to get anywhere by telling them that their issues aren't real.
Yeah. No shit. It can still be useful in building solidarity and good faith across groups of proles when handled correctly. The Black Panthers were able to build a large, diverse base of support by connecting the black struggle with the struggles of the Vietnamese and draftees in the US. They were able to spread their socialist ideas through intersectionallity.
You're right in that liberal identity politics has gone completely off the rails. That's why it's important that class gets injected back into the conversation.
Oh! You don't care about the history of Europa, but we have to care about US history! WOW! :^)
The issues are real, the identities aren't and the causes aren't identities.
because these differences are often political, and are subject to change from time to time. Because these differences are arbitrary and there have been no studies conducted that link intelligence to race or specific genes as of yet. How come a vast majority of the marathon runners at the olympic level come exclusively from Kenya, and not from the rest of Africa? Categorizing groups and sub-groups of people with different genetic structures into one race impedes the very reason one does it in the first place.
There's also the issue of socio-economic, and environmental factors that also affect one's life, and it just so happens to be that blacks disproportionately live in such conditions, and interact with their kind who further promote their downward spiral.
Kenyan runners live at high altitude, which forces permanent adaptations into their circulatory system.