Haven't seen too much on Holla Forums, here or on cuckchan over the years, about the Church of Creativity...

Haven't seen too much on Holla Forums, here or on cuckchan over the years, about the Church of Creativity. Seems like more people are interested in LARPing some volkisch shit and this natural extension of white national transcendentalism may have gotten overlooked. Particularly for American WNs, this should have at least some attention paid to it. Seems more reasonable than American WNs trying to cling to an identity tied to some Viking that raped their great-great-whatever several hundred years ago.

-Cons: Encourages a pretty strict diet. Not unusual for anybody who's really serious about philosophy.

-Pros: It's a "religion" based around white supremacy. Even the fucking KKK doesn't do that. As long as you're not too retarded to get that religions speak in metaphors, this shit's kinda cool.

Thoughts, Holla Forums?

creativitymovement.net/

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Posting their shit. They're on top of their memes, or "internet propaganda fliers" as they call 'em on their site.

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From jewpedia:

"In May 2000, Judge Lefkow presided over the enforcement of a high-profile trademark infringement case against the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC), an organization run by white supremacist leader Matthew F. Hale. The TE-TA-MA Truth Foundation—a peace-loving, multicultural church in Oregon that supports "the Family unification of Mankind"—sued Hale's church for using the name "Church of the Creator."[2] WCOTC argued against the validity of the suit because Hale's church had been using the name since 1973, but the Foundation had trademarked it in 1987, and no contest was filed against the trademark within a five-year period, making their ownership legally incontestable.[2] In January 2002, Lefkow ruled in favor of Hale, but her decision was overturned on appeal. On July 25, Lefkow ruled against Hale, saying that his church infringed the Church of the Creator's trademark. (Hale's organization has since been renamed the Creativity Movement.)"

An injunction was issued on November 19 forbidding Hale's church from using the term "Church of the Creator."[2] Hale's World Church of the Creator was ordered to stop using the name on the Internet, and to remove or cover up the phrase "Church of the Creator" on all of Hale's publications and products. In response to this decision, Hale sued Lefkow on December 24, claiming that her order violated the Constitution in requiring the destruction of the group's bibles.[3] At around the same time, threats were made against Lefkow on the internet, and her home address, and family photographs of her husband and children, were posted on the website of Stormfront.[4]

Meanwhile, an undercover FBI informant, posing as Hale's "security" chief, taped a conversation with Hale where he asked about Lefkow's home address, and discussed her impending "extermination."[5] On January 8, 2003, Hale was arrested on charges of plotting to murder Lefkow. The FBI informant in that trial received several death threats, and Lefkow initially was protected by a detail of the United States Marshals Service.

fuck that (((bitch))). free hale

Never heard of them. Sounds interesting though.

What's the difference between Creativity and WLP's "Cosmoteism"?

Are they using it as their basis?

What's the difference between cosmotheism and panentheism? I don't think Pierce really came up with that; he put a new name on an old idea. Goes back to Baruch Spinoza etc

The difference, I think, is that it's explicit about racial separation.

I'd look it up more, but I'm too busy whackin it to pictures of autumn van diver

How new are you?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)

fucking aryan goddess

would delegate the children raising and housekeeping to / 10
would repopulate a mudslime infested earth with / 10

would also just fuck if ever given the change and then have that be that / 10

she's pretty fine

ahh i fucked up. first pic is a different super hot aryan chick with the same name, somehow. how many autumn van divers are there?

i'm whackin it to @vandivers on twitter. chick on the left. shit, she's perfect.

I dont understand why people arent LARPing as turboleftists.
Its a lot harder to get a normie to 1488 than it is to get them to hate some faggot screaming about poz being the pinnacle of western society…

I mean, things like:

are effective to US, but we've already broken the programming.
They arent going to be effective at all to some normie whos had 2 decades of kike conditioning to believe that WHITE=BAD.

eh idk man i brought my roommate around from being a graff-writing pseudonigger liberal from oakland - despite his whiteness - to bumping moonman jams. pill's like 3/4ths the way down his throat, all he does is complain about jews and nigs and mexicans and arabs whenever he's drunk. and i got him there by

*pfff*

pretending to be an anarchist

he's already admitting that hitler was just doing best for his country and people

Whites already have a church, user. Look into your heart and come home white man.

Well, there are people susceptible to redpilling, sure, but what I meant more of was propaganda for the masses.
For example:
OR
Which will arouse the normie's ire the most?

Kek is the cancer killing Holla Forums

We'll use you to preheat the ovens, you know.

okay but the cool thing about them is that they've wrapped it up in a fake religion that's basically just based on transcendentalism.

point being that it gives them a little pushback from censorship. hale tried to sue the US gov for trying to censor their bible. if the jews can use their religion to justify genital mutilation of children and having grown men suck the blood out of their freshly cut infant cocks, we can use a fake religion to push racial realism.


oh man, nobody ever put it that way before! what denomination, buddy?

but for fairness sake, luke 9:3, matthew 19:21, acts 2:44… actually most of chapter 2 of acts all advocate for a form of early communism. i.e. get rid of all of your shit, live in a commune in the desert or go be a homeless person begging from town to town.

i've read every translation. jerusalem bible's probably the best but it doesn't make any of 'em less communist

Indeed my brother. False idols will incite the wrath of the lord, and we can see that now, with all the shitty threads up.


Hell is forever!


The inquitisiton will come for you first, moishe

Does it worship Jews like christianity?

Eh… is that really easier than just using the natural human reaction of disgust, though? I mean, I have yet to meet a normie that has been anything but disgusted upon coming across a POZ PIG tumblr…

actually hey just listen to this. pretty much nails it. not trying to get down with a jewish splinter group - turned - globalist caplitalist power scam.

So is human stupidity. We have larger issues in life than arguing details about the afterlife. Kikes first, eternal damnation later.

Non-Evangelical Lutheran, or Orthodox are the two major non-Zionist sects. Personally I follow the teachings of the #2 Jew hater Dr. Martin Luther (Jesus Christ being the #1 Jew hater).

How euphoric did that make you feel?

yeah, it's how you avoid the inevitable censorship that's coming about with all this "fake news" propaganda. well, one of the ways. i'm getting around it by building solar powered weatherproof server-repeater boxes that make a distributed network that's impossible to take down by any government without locating every physical device. but a fake religion is a great dick to throw up uncle samburg's big zionist butthole

Do all rabbis capitalize "Jew" but not "Christianity"? Is that because Jesus Christ doomed you all to Hell? Fuck off, kikel.

I guess, but we can head this shit off real quick if we signalboost the fuck out of the insanity that is TERF and such. The kikes are trying to ease everyone into their acceptance, we need to rub their fucking faces in it.

You know this is all just D&C semantics shit, right?

Okay, so then what do you have to say about the scripture I quoted? Is it not total commie bullshit?

Like, there's good parts of the NT, like when Paul says that women should shut the fuck up in church in one of his letters (I forget which one, probably corinthians).


Easier to ease people into it by looking like you're one of them. Kinda my modus operandi. Remember, people are afraid of ideas that don't confirm their worldview, but also love to be contrarian. You just have to kind of edge them into the right direction.

Look at how Palpatine redpilled Anakin in the prequels. Kinda like that.

Also TERFs are hilarious and cause a lot of butthurt, so I can't hate them too much. And fuck trannies, anyway. Furries, too.

Ignore them, they're retarded.

This isnt exactly what I mean. If you throw poz parties and dogfucking and shit like german educational materials for miscegenation into the normie's face, they'll resist the kike plot. Pretending to be a normie while dropping subtle 1488s is less effective.

and tbh i'm friends with a good amount of episcopal franciscan monks, and a handful of catholic franciscan monks. those guys are actually alright because they actually follow what it says in their fucking book(s), leave everyone alone, don't touch money, and generally just want to help everyone.

Nah, maybe I've just lived in Portland, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Seattle, and New York City (for 5 long miserable years), but really those fucking dipshits will find any way to justify that shit in their own heads because if they don't they're being "intolerant". At best, they'll be like, "well I'm not really into that but people should be allowed to do it and believe in whatever they want"

like, completely unironically

Anyone worth salvaging will recoil under a sustained assault of "Hey, look at this tumblr of dogfucking/cuckold shit I found" Anyone else should be made a note of for the ovens.

Pretending to be a normie keeps them from just automatically shutting your ideas out because you're their kookie, autist friend. It's actually pretty easy to drag a normy-democrat-whatever into mutualist ideas, then bring in stirner, then give them a good solid hatred of governments and money, then show them why governments and money are fucking terrible (jews), then bring them back into the idea of having governments fix things (MLM), then get them to ditch MLM and feel sympathetic to hitler, all the while opening their eyes to racial realism. it just takes some building blocks but I've had a 100% success rate so far on anyone i've actually bothered to pill this way.

I should clarify. I had meant less "dont pretend to be a normie" and more "this tactic is more effective than that one" Dragging them by the nose through babysteps towards 1488 takes too much time. Making them go "that shit is gross, yo" is far, far easier and quicker.

Well, that's why everyone isn't worth saving. That's why having political prisoners and a strong state makes sense.

The idea is to get to a utopia where everyone's pilled. There's two ways to go about that:
1. Wait about 10,000 years until we enter a post-scarcity society
2. Just fucking jail and kill everyone who's fucking up society

I'm fine with either but I also don't see a problem with #2 at all. It's kind of the thing that fascism and authoritarian communism have in common, but also Hitler's policies weren't THAT much different from Stalin's or Mao's, and all three of those fuckers have been propagandized against in western culture.

I'm more pro-#2. I don't have 10,000 years to wait.


I guess my tactic is more effective for the online realm, because if you LARP as a leftist, theyll associate leftist=bad/gross pretty quickly, but they'll also hate you, too.

I don't think it's as effective. Someone truly normie will see that shit, and go eww, gross, and try to forget about it as soon as possible and then somehow justify, subconsciously, that it can't possibly be real.

Look at pizzagate.

And with pizzagate, it's been WAY more effective for me to just walk people through while holding their hands, showing them the emails and explaining what everything means.

This is just sort of a macro version of that. Just being like "EWW THIS SHIT'S FUCKED UP" is kind of the tactic of every white nationalist group operating today. Like, you can't really shock someone into pilldom. You have to ease it in, like, just the tip first, but then you sorta… ease it in and make them feel like they've wanted it this whole time.

Yeah, just like that. Mmmm.

Well, an example of mine would be:

Outside of

I've mostly seen "PROTECT YOUR RACE" stuff, which normies automatically ignore because they think that any sort of ethnic pride or nationalism is bad because muhprogramming.

Larping as a leftist is probably easier because I tend to live in big cities and college towns, make music as a hobby, and code for a living. All these fags automatically assume you're a leftie. And then you drop some Bob Black on them and show them post-left anarchism, and they think you're like edgy and cool or whatever. Bonus points is I actually volunteered at the anarchist bookstore on Haight Street in SF that he supposedly snitched on, and can say from personal experience that they're fucking pedophiles and I quit halfway through my training shift after I saw the employee bathroom - hidden behind a bookshelf on the right side of the store, with a toilet that's been unflushable for 2 years (according to them), and covered in printed out pictures of 10 year old asian boys in speedos.

That's Bound Together Books, folks. It's on like Masonic and Haight iirc. Real story. Fuck those people, and Bob Black was totally justified in ratting on those fucking pedo fucks.

I think that primitive societies benefit from communal traditions. I don't think it's Communist bullshit because primitive society wasn't striving for any one thing in particular except being less shitty overall. You're talking about people who were told by God to live in specific places, to breed with specific people.

Communism actually hates religion; as religion takes power away from the State. Communism doesn't give two shits about individuals of the State because only the State and what is best for the State matters.

Wait, you're a faggot and you promote poz and childrape? I'm not sure I follow this, at least I hope not.

Point stands, they automatically ignore it. You gotta lube it up with some, like, Max Stirner or whatever and then talk about conflict theory & whatever other sociology bullshit they're into. And then just use it to guide them to the truth, which is a little bit past what they're already being "educated" about, but they'll be willing to eat up, because they already have the eagerness to be "edgy" and "in the know", but they usually just wind up in some fucking dead end (buying che and mao shirts or whatever) without crossing over to important shit - NSDAP did what it had to do to create social stability, NSDAP wasn't perfect but was incredibly effective, eliminating racial tension is an important step in implementing socialism in one state which is a step to implementing worldwide socialism which is a step to reforming society so that nobody and no tribe (READ: FUCKING JEWS) can hold the world hostage with artificial scarcity (capitalism) and eventually everyone can just do whatever the fuck they want all the time but not have power over each other and everything will be cool (the outcome that marx predicted, aka communism). Not that what a 200 year old jew predicted is gonna be spot on, but he had some points about futurism. Important point is - to make a strong society work FOR HOW THE WORLD IS CURRENTLY SET UP, we need that racial separation pronto. And to just straight up ban faggotry, like gas those fucking mentally ill degenerates immediately.

cool story bro, tell it again

I was saying to LARP as one. You could also:

What the NSDAP did was promote themselves as virtuous and the source of stability/naturally desired things while pointing out that their opposition was anything but. The masses seek stability/comfort/meaning while avoiding instability/discomfort/meaninglessness. Your tactic is promoting the former (Nationalism is the way, normie), mine is disseminating the later (POZ IS BAD, LOOK AT THIS, NORMIE)

Sure thing, I'll get right on that Mr. FBI!

I'm glad that in two sentences you managed to debunk the fact that Christian Communists exist. Lmgtfy

I may have been throwing the word Communist around lightly, as it's usually used to refer to ML, MLM, Tankies, Juche, etc. Maybe I shoulda just said that it's incredibly Marxist? I mean the bit about taking nothing with you (no robes, no sandals, no silver, etc) is repeated in all three synoptic gospels. And the parable of the rich young man is more explicit than the whole camel through the eye of the needle thing.

I might as well bring up the last verse of Judges (21:25), the bit about there being no kings in israel and everyone doing as they saw fit. The jews kind of fucked up their own philosophy through greed, which isn't surprising considering the tribalism and the idea of a brit and a chosen people. Fucking cocksucking savages.

Do you have the tism, rabbi?

I'm dead fucking serious. It's collectively-owned on paper, but is mainly owned by a couple of very old, very gay, very jewish fellas in SF. One of them has a stupid fucking aqua green mullet. They sell NAMBLA pamphlets, and, like, check if you're okay about it during their recruitment meetings.

The dude that runs their day-to-day is a former project manager who's just trying to get something on his resume to become a librarian.

I wish I was lying. And it's not like this place doesn't exist, and it's not like Bob Black just had a wild hair up his ass when he tried to get these faggots locked up.

This conversation originally included me but is now going way off the rails. Guess it's time to namefag. Also, LARPing as a pedo is fucking retarded. LARPing as a post-left anarchist when you're actually a neo-nazi isn't that far fetched. Larping as a pedo to make people thing being a pedo is gross is like raping people to get them to understand that rape is unpleasant
(for like half the people involved at least)

Theres a stark difference between larping as a pedo and larping as a poz'd faggot. I had said to basically link to the cesspit of tumblr to get it in the face of normies, who would then recoil and DOTR. Rabbis be rabbi'ing though, and turned it into LARP AS A PEDO DURR

Communism didn't exist in 70AD.

I'm not surprised you miss the very simple moral "don't take/use more than you need". Also dead bodies don't require any material possessions, and a lot of the Word is about what you need in death.

You seem to misunderstand a lot about Jesus entirely. Jesus Christ was the King of Kings, the heir to the throne of David. The "Jews" weren't even real Jews they were Judeans, and Jesus Christ, Himself, preached against them. None of them were following Mosaic Law, hence "Jews" in quotes and not Jews.

welp said i was gonna name fag it up and then forgot to type in the fucking name

I'm 11 steel reserves deep and that's actually not that much considering I woke up at 2am and immediately started drinking

post hot white bitches

I'm gonna let you get back to fending off the CHOSENs though, tactics get muddied pretty quick in a hive of rabbis

Cool story bro
Now convince me that the beast in Revelations wasn't an allegory for the roman state

Christians who identify as Communists exist. Or, more succinctly, people who are Christians who find parallels between the teachings of Christ and the socio-political ideas of Marx exist. I never said they came about at the same time; nice attempt to straw-man me, (((faggot))).

oops forgot the fine aryan cumreceptor

Sage

How did this get into an argument about Christianity? Fucking Jews. I started this thread to talk about Ben Klassen and Matt Hale - how come their names don't come up more here on Holla Forums? It's like everyone's allergic to anything that looks like religion that isn't Ortho Christian or Volkish.

Ignore the gay chakra tats, this chick's got a fantastic ass.

Sage goes in EVERY field you fucking race traitor

Which Roman Emperor or part of Rome (during or after the time of Christ) wore 5 crowns, and required his people to wear his mark?


Nice deflection attempt, (((Rabbi))). You made the claim that Christians were Communists, and I explained how you were wrong on multiple levels. I suggest you do some research on debating so you know how to properly use and identify logical fallacies in the future.

Why are you now posting half naked degenerate gay men wearing women's undergarments?

No, I didn't I said that all Christians were Communists. I said that Christian Communists exists. Nice try to straw-man me again, moishe. My point stands that Christians are pretty much just kikes.


Sorry, didn't know you were only into fat chicks. Is this better?

No. You said the scriptures were "commie bullshit". Go suck a baby penis, Moishe.

LET'S GET THIS BACK ON TRACK

This is the only good post in this thread.

They ARE commie bullshit, you fucking heeb.

Communal traditions do not equal Communism you fucking kike. I already said this.

Also come on, you kikes run the entertainment industry, you can certainly do better than just regurgitate the stereotypically jewish name that I just used to imply you were jewish, as well as the whole meuels-suck-blood-from-infant-cocks shit I brought up earlier. How is that in any way insulting? Like, I already knew that about the jews, you fucking lazy bum. I wish you died 6 million times.

Sounds like you're arguing semantics. Next thing, you'll be arguing about numerology in the old testament. Fuck (((you))), yid

that's two jews you just posted fyi

Listen, Rabbi Shekelberg: we understand what you're trying to do here. You're trying to do what "Jews" have awlays done. You're trying to blame someone else for the shit you started. It was you that had Jesus tortured and murdered for preaching against you.

It is you that is trying to convince Holla Forums that Christians are the Communists, not you the "Jews". I'm going to go laugh now, Moshe. I've defeated you enough times in this thread to call it a day. Now do your mental Jewymnastics, and refute my claim by telling us all how you actually BTFO me.

Fuck you, stepdad, all you do is post about lame shitty languages that nobody uses and your hateboner for endo. What did that guy even do to you?

Will the shilling ever stop Holla Forums?

Oh… my… god. You're right. You bested me in our match of intellects, and mine was proven to be inferior.

I don't know what to do with myself, with my day, with my life… Everything I know is wrong. Up is down, black is white, jews are human beings, my whole world is turned upside down.

I guess I should thank you for showing me the truth. But I don't know what thanks means anymore. My whole life is a lie.

I guess I'm going to go get a briss, shave half my head off, dye the other half with bleach and kool-aid, hopefully save a little of both to mix together for a bleach-kool-aid-cocktail for when this all truly sinks in.

I'm glad my parents aren't alive to see this moment. I'm sorry, Yusef. I'm sorry, Sheila. I've disgraced the Shekelstein name. Maybe once the messiah eventually shows up, we'll all party it up in the afterlife.

Fuck you nigger I'm drunk. I've been drunk for the past week. If I was shilling for anybody I'd be doing an awful fucking job at it. Heil Hitler

Problem is that one of the psychological defenses is registering something as fake. The more extreme the material you show, the more absurd will look to them and it will be easier to ignore it completely. It was, maybe, more than 10 years ago that I saw the first bare back forums caps. For years I couldn't believe those people existed and thought that they were just larping.

On the other hand, feminist supremacy, cuck tales, leftists as traitors, immigration, ties in a lot better with what they see in the real world and can eventually lead to them making the connections themselves.

Remember anons, you're just 1 report away from being an hero and helping clean up the board.

I'm fine, Mulder.

Haha that's cute, you just found ED 2 weeks ago, didn't you?

Fuck off, faggot. Hey everyone, report me. Report me for being a total fucking kike. Boo fucking hoo, I've been here since (more or less) day 1 and they haven't wiped me off yet. I wonder why.

HEY BEN
HEY BEN YOU WALL EYED FAGGOT
YOUR WIFE GREW A DICK YOU CUCK BITCH

^^^ that wasn't aimed at you. And you won't know what I'm talking about. But you're not gonna get me kicked off here, you inept inbred post-millenial little puke.

Rabbi stop looking at pictures of white children and just calm down already. It's almost time for you to celebrate kikemas, go fry a latka and put white people out of your mind for once.

Oh… my… god. You're right. You bested me in our match of intellects, and mine was proven to be inferior.
I don't know what to do with myself, with my day, with my life… Everything I know is wrong. Up is down, black is white, jews are human beings, my whole world is turned upside down.
I guess I should thank you for showing me the truth. But I don't know what thanks means anymore. My whole life is a lie.
I guess I'm going to go get a briss, shave half my head off, dye the other half with bleach and kool-aid, hopefully save a little of both to mix together for a bleach-kool-aid-cocktail for when this all truly sinks in.
I'm glad my parents aren't alive to see this moment. I'm sorry, Yusef. I'm sorry, Sheila. I've disgraced the Shekelstein name. Maybe once the messiah eventually shows up, we'll all party it up in the afterlife.

Just to chime in: I use both tactics for different situations / individuals. For example on social media I will create turb-left personas that push conversations way too far and creep out the normie liberals, but usually in person I just try to tell the truth to people because I'm not very good at lying to people's faces.

So are these guys just an FBI honeypot or what?
Why is this thread so derailed

It's atheistic. Due to the lack of pragmatism and Hermeticism I can never really say I am one of them. That said, I agree with I think every single positive affirmation I've seen them ever make, just not so much their negations.