Can any revolution be succesful now that the urss is kill?

Can any revolution be succesful now that the urss is kill?

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I am from post Soviet state and working with people who have friends in KPRF. WE hope to get some financing from the to be able to start our party!

Nope

is that the country that killed 90 billion people under vladamir stalin ?

from what? soviet sources?
they killed at least 400 gorillion people, not counting all the women joseph marx raped and sent to collectivist sexual camps

how can you deny all those deaths that happened

think of all the people that suffered under communism we should have a better system like fascism no one has ever died under that system

all those deaths dude
how can you deny
all those deaths that
we totally denied
by denying
the deaths
of the dead

Daily reminder that at most, only 2 million died in Stalinist purges/Gulags and Soviet KGB archives confirm it,a s well as major historians.

Holodoax also was not a man-made famine, and Chinese famine was due to poor planning and environmental factors.

Not even a tankie, but even then these numbers pale to the atrocities and numbers killed by the Axis powers during ww2.

55 million Chinese civilians killed by Imperial Japan, ; Indochina 457,000; Korea 378,000; Indonesia 375,000; Malaya-Singapore 283,000; Philippines 119,000, Burma 60,000 and Pacific Islands 57,000. And 539,000 POW's who died or were killed in captivity.

26.6 million Soviet civilians due to eastern front war by Nazi Germany. 6,000,000 Jews, Roma and other concentration camp prisoners exterminated, or starved out during the Holocaust. 600 civilians executed at Belgium, 642 French civillians massacred in Oradur Sur Lane, 30,000 civilians executed in reprisal actions as a result of partisan activity in the western Europe alone. 2.77 million Christian ethnic Poles executed and massacred by German occupation force, 500,000 Serb civilians murdered by the Nazi ally fascist Croatian Ustaše, 200,000 handicapped persons killed during the Action T4 and Action 14f13. 3.1 million Allied POW prisoners who died in Soviet captivity.


4,000 Bedouin, 30,000 Ethiopians and 8000 Slovene and Croat civilians killed by Fascist Italy.


Reprisals against the Germans after their WW2 defeat only numbered 600,000 ethnic German casualties.

If only the coup of 1991 would have succeeded…

There is no hope for us, we are in worse position than in 1917 and there will never be another socialist superpower to fill that ideological vacuum that destruction of Soviet Union left…

It's more like 5.3-5.7 million. Gotta get those numbers right or else the "revisionist" will come and get you for, "propagandizing".

I love how the author of "Inconvenient History" said he wanted to murder every Jew in the world and we're supposed to believe the revisionist of Nazi crimes do not have an ulterior motive and are concerned strictly with that facts, and nothing else.

Anyway, the Soviet famine was exacerbated by policy, but yeah it wasn't Stalin "starving his citizens because he hated them" as a Holla Forumslack proclaimed to me earlier today( and we're supposed to believe that we're indoctrinated into thinking the Nazi's acted like comic book super villains).

Also let's play the number game a little bit more

Strategic bombing of Germany resulted in 353,000 civilian casualties, combine it with the 600,000 civilians who died in teh German expulsion and you have 635,3000 dead German civilians in total.

Compare that number to the 26,600,000 civilians killed in the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany.

Now let's look at Japan, 550,000 Japanese total civilians dead due to military activity and bombings, starvation etc.


Now compare that with the staggering 7,357,000 Chinese civilian deaths alone due to military activity,bombings and massacres and 5,000,000 due to war related famine.

In Fascist Italy 153,200 civillians would die during WW2.


So in general the Axis killed not only a whole lot more people than the Allies.

The so called deaths "due to Communism" who were mainly due to starvation and famine. And not planned massacres,killings and targeted ethnic cleansing.

Even by looking at numbers it doesn't even comapare in saying it was purposeful.

The Russian State by all calculations sets the 1932 Soviet famine at 7 million dead. Compared to the sheer numbers killed by Germany in planned exterminations it doesn't even compare.

5.7 million Holocaust victims + about 6,121,842 deaths caused directly by Nazi Germany, gives us a 11,821,842 million civilian deaths in total.

In here

warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

It calculates the total number of civilian deaths give or take:

Axis: 1,686,000

Allied: 25,686,900

I don't think 1 or 2 million of Holocaust victims who survived and is subtracted from the total deaths, makes a great deal of difference to the vast difference in scale of these numbers.

kek

Yes

And this time its going to have a high emphasis on tech, instead of fetishizing manual labour.

No.
There is nothing to build revolution upon anymore. No large scale wars, or conscription based armies that might turn against their bourgeois overlords.
We are doomed to watch society burn when liberals fight reactionaries for rest of ethos, meanwhile the working class will suffer. People are too alienated to socialism at this point.

What source are you referencing here? Are you including deaths due to famine?
I've been studying this for a little bit, and my numbers show less than 2 million deaths between 1934 and 1953 - approx. 1 million in the camps due to illness/misc and approx. 800,000 due to execution.

Damn tanko where'd you find these?

Don't accept the myth that the world has stagnated into two camps of liberal permissiveness and conservative fundamentalism. The boundaries these camps set up are being stressed more than I've seen in my lifetime, and I don't see an end in sight. Hell, just talking to my peers in college I find hope - plenty of people are disenfranchised and angry at the system in place. We just need to find a way to direct that energy in a productive manner.


First one was posted on here not to long ago. I made the second one after reading through the data found in the archives.

I forget the source but 1 million is the total gulag deaths in internment in throughout the whole of the USSR's history.

Stalin was no angel but the wild things that are attributed to him to build up Cold War paranoia against socialism is disgusting.

Wasn't it ~700k ? And your own pic supports it - 681.692

Look at the column on the far right. From 1921 to 1953 there were 799,455 executed. I'm aware this is a larger time span than the other graph, but I believe this number to be more honest.

comrade, we're supposed to be the most brainlessly revolutionary among the far left tendencies. the world will always change and with it, new opportunities for a revolution. the one thing we need to do is adapt the modern world into the old leftist theory.
its really time for leftists to stop the "authoritarian" vs "libertarian" division, its no longer relevant and only keeps to distract us from real revolution. i totally support a decentralized planned economy, thats built upon a vanguard party.

god bless gabitalizm :—DDD

On the topic of muh gazillions, I calculated it once. With the highest ridiculous number I could find abour the USSR, nazi germany has a death per year account that was 4 times higher than that of the ussr or something, and thats only if we count germanys deaths by concentration camps.

can you do it again and make an infographic inb4 tankies r liek pol out of it and post it here? with sources of course

You were simply talking about 1934-1953 when you mentioned 800k. Not 1921-1953

I'm not sure what this means. Both numbers are from the same source (Zemskov research). They are simply about different timespan: 799k is 1921-1953 and 681k is 1937-1938.

1934-1953 is 740.340, for example.

Not a tankies but this is a god danmcrime

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he was shitposting with a tankie flag maybe like im doing with this

A revolution can only be successful when the material reality of the world changes. Once the contradictions of capitalism reach breaking point, then you can have your revolution. Before that, any revolution will only end up returning to the status quo.

I wanted to avoid using the figure of 681,692 as those deaths are attributed to the years 1937-1938. I only said that the 799,455 figure was "more honest" because I didn't have data for the 1934-1953 period specifically. Just felt including deaths from 1921 was more inclusive than limiting the time span to the years 1937-1938.
Hope that makes sense. And the 740,340 figure is from Zemskov?

Yes. Well, Zemskov and Excel who did the additions.

this is an opportunist way of thinking. a revolution will come when the people will it, and thats usually when they dont feel the system is necessary anymore. right now, capitalism is already unnecessary from the proven effective existence of workers cooperatives, so why should we wait for the time to come, when the time has already came and we missed it numerous times

Thanks. I'm planning on adding executions to my graph (USSR Custodial Population 1934-1953) or making a complementary infograph with the data, this helps a lot.

Here's the data: pastebin.com/SpHzqu6N

No, I mean the Holocaust.

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