Evolution & Racial IQ

Since Holla Forums is busy sliding anything that isn't Trump related.I thought that people here could help me challenge my ideas about evolution and how IQ is often used when comparing races.

Here is what I have come to think. Races score differently on average in IQ tests because of following reasons (tl;dr):
1. Their environment (peers and culture)
2. Their genetics
3. The IQ test itself

IQ tests are flawed when comparing overall competence of a race, yet are able to somewhat determine how well a race is able to thrive in western civilisation. IQ tests usually resolve around being able to solve questions which require sense of time, memory, planning and searching for patterns. All of these are important abilities when it comes to thriving in a western/farmer society. So based on evolutionary theory, people who had these skills were able to create better farms and towns, which were increased their chances for survival. This is congruent with how Asians score high on IQ tests, since they had the same development, where they created rice farms, which require even more effort and cooperation than European farms. The African continent had plenty of vegetation and wildlife to sustain human life, without them having to build farms. This meant that these skills were not required and not developed. Strength, speed and hunter instincts were what kept you alive and therefore were the traits that were passed on. IQ tests are therefore genetically biased towards races who have been living in farmer societies. Which shows from IQ test results. Aside from racial average, there is also deviation within the race. Not everyone is equally "smart" for a lack of a better word. This one is easily proven by how IQ can skyrocket in certain cases, often with autism as side effect. Not everyone equally motivated to try and learn these skills, which can be aquired with some effort. This is usually where the environment comes in the picture. While coming from a wealthy family usually means that success is seen as positive. The children are paced into trying and aquire these skills, so they can become successful in western society just like their peers. While in poor families there might be a more negative attitude towards school and education. These can be flipped depending on the environment, and the personal drive of the individual. Such as lazy children from wealthy families, who take everything for granted and don't bother even trying. Or poor people working their hardest to shake of their social heritage.

In certain cases such as in the US, just the idea of racism and blacks being more stupid, feeds the negative social heritage. While black people on average have a genetical disadvantage, they are capable of learning the same skills as white people. However the current environment in the US breeds low IQ. Many black neighbourhoods are poor and filled with crime. Creating a unfavourable condition for blacks to thrive in the US. And the idea of racism is often used by blacks as an excuse to give up. Because they believe they have no chance in a white society, so why even try? Capitalism itself helps solidifying these problems. Since companies won't hire people who don't have connections, or whom they don't trust. Making it difficult to make up for their genetic heritage and escape the cycle.

We mostly don't care. If people are retarded, they are retarded, if people are smart, they are smart.

Their genetic heritage doesn't matter to me, I just want to have smart people in the right positions.

You smell like a burger btw.

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1."Race" is folk terminology and unscientific and arbitrary. There is ancestry, and it proves that physiological phenomena like skin color are not necessarily the strongest implications for distinctions as a "race" -> it is therefore a social construct

2. That being said, there have been very little experiments being conducted to solve the everlasting question "nature vs nurture" but indicators, like the fact that the historical discrepancy between the civilisations and cultures is merely 5000 years old, suggest that the IQ as a measurable instution might be indeed influenced by ancestry but in a very, very marginal way so that nurture pretty much supplants ancestry in this matter.

So yeah, IQ differences in "races" are irrelevant

Good. I have nothing to add, except why put people into arbitrarily defined races in the first place?

this isn't 1910, fuck off with this psuedoscience

Just trying to spark some discussion to see what people are thinking about this. I agree that in the end it is all a case of smart or not, no matter what race you belong to. Also not a burger, just an europoor.

We have a lot of Holla Forumsacks come here and post about muh IQ so we're kind of tired of it, especially since everyone here pretty much agrees that races are spooks, most of it (not all obviously) is nurture and even if it was real it didnt matter.

See nazibol poster, who for some reason made sense this time.

With 7 billion people it is usually easier to catogorize them into smaller groups. My point was that people in the same area have similar DNA, which has some influence on their mental development. As usual over simplifying the issue, to make it easier to grasp.

Intelligence is 80% heritable and there's NOTHING lefty cucks can do about it.

Look at ashkenazi jews the literal intellectual heavyweights of the world. Good nutrition and environment alone can't produce that many Nobel prize winners and all around brilliant people per capita.

Sorry goyim capitalism or communism the jews are humanity's master.

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Never mentioned intelligence. If you read my post, you would understand that I defined IQ as a value which quantifies a persons ability to thrive in a western civilisation. Until it goes high enough to become autistic.

Easier to do what?

This is potently bullshit though. Whether one is able to "thrive" in society has nothing to do with IQ or intelligence, and everything to do with material conditions. Idiots born into wealth thrive just fine, while there are so many different examples of highly intelligent people who don't get along with society at all.

Ive read an article that basically said the ethnic group "jews" have been superbred to be smart.

Basically it came down to azhecky jews only being allowed to do bookkeeping related jobs so they got into bussiness a lot, which meant that the smarter ones got more money and could pay for more better food and environments and have more kids. In addition to that, the aztacky jews that were not successfull denounced their fate to become farmers and blend into the general european genepool in a generation or two, while the other jews interbred almost exclusively with other jews and got smart jew babies.

Fun article, not sure if it was valid.


Then its a shit quantifier. Also, I dont think that intelligence corrolates with autism or vice versa. I know a few autists personally and one is as dumb as rocks, the other is only autism smart (can remember big numbers but needs special education otherwise) and the other one is sort of OK, but she fails to grasp stereotypical autismo things like programming, which I as a non autismo am very good at.

I itself is not really that useful. It just measures a couple cognitive skills, mostly pattern recognition type stuff.

IQ itself. Fucking auto complete

As someone who is 3/4 Ashkennazi(other part is Mizrahi - Persian) I think it has a lot more to do with culture. Studying is really stressed just like in Asian culture. Ashkenazis tend to be better off financially.

However if Holla Forums is right I'm pretty sure we're the master race. The amount of times we've supposedly pulled the wool over their eyes is laughable, to the point we were able to fake a genocide of millions of people. That being said, I don't think the IQ differences between races(if they're static, which they aren't as blacks have gained 5 IQ points) are drastic enough to warrant any of the shit Holla Forums calls for.

It is inheritable (no idea about 80% though, seems pretty arbitrary) but there is NO REASON to categorize ancestry within the folk terminology of "races".

There is absolutey no reason to assume that millions of people would all inherit bad genetic traits on such a irrelevant feature like physical attributes. You have more in common with an African than that African has with another African.

Environment shapes ones look. Did you know that birds have massive genetical differences? Yet they all have wings and beaks because it just so happens that flying in the air requires that physically. So just because everybody who is white lives in the north doesn't mean he can be categorized as a race, humans are one race, every other homo died out millenias ago.

Easier to find trends amongst people who share the same genetic and cultural heritage.

Also the idea of my post was to see what others had to say, and if my thoughts about IQ were valid or flawed. I definitely see what you mean. Society might have progressed too far. And IQ holds no meaning anymore in a society where scarcity isn't a killer anymore.

Agree. The only other human races are neanderthals, erectus etc

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The downside of that is the physically/mentally sickly nature of Ashkenazi Jews due to all that inbreeding (Ashkenazi Jews have something like double the chance of developing schizophrenia compared to non-Jews)

And yet, they still outsmart you snowniggers at every corner.

Oh no the article said something about that too.

Appearantly their intelligence is caused by a few genes that also negatively corrolate with things like brain cancer and shit. It removes a few safeguards, so to say, which makes you mentally unstable and also some genes have negative physical effects, hence why they would be uncommon in hunter gatherer societies or agricultural ones that are not pushed to the limit with high emphasis on getting that little bit more brain power.


fite me, hooknose

Sorry Mahmed, I'm not an HBDer sperg that worships IQ and striverfags to justify marrying mai azn waifu

Good, being a manlet is not worth being smart.

What always gets overlooked in these discussions is the simple fact that it doesn't matter whether IQ is determined by genetics or environment.
Regardless of which it is, it will always be stupid to discriminate against people based on statistical estimates of their IQ from looking at their skin color or anything else. Just look at the graph in . Assuming it's correct, race tells you almost nothing about IQ. The variation between individuals is larger than the variation between races, and it will always be a mistake to make generalizations. If you want to only be friends with smart people or only have smart people in positions of power, then select based on their actual intelligence rather than guessing based on vague statistical trends.

Basically the whole argument is stupid and humans should stop looking for excuses to hate each other.

we're nothing but patriotic commies tbh

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Who fucking cares?

user, people are so obsessed with IQ because they are intellectually depraved and want the ubermensch to solve all world problems so they don't have to think about it. They also usually have an extremely unrealistic view of themselves, seeing themselves as scorned geniuses held back by the inferiors despite a belief in social Darwinism.

This is like saying "secular Calvinists".