Marvel on suicide watch continued

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

Marvel has right now 30 titles under the cancellation threshold while DC has merely five

Marvel
CA: Sam Wilson – #21 – 18,650
Gwenpool – #14 – 17,972
Captain Marvel – #4 – 17,893
US Avengers – #5 – 17,880
Ultimates 2 – #6 -17,350
Dr. Strange & Sorcerers Supreme – #7 – 16,887
Man-Thing – #3 – 16,199
Hawkeye – #5 – 16,031
Totally Awesome Hulk – #18 – 16,009
Spider-Man 2099 – #22 – 15,273
Elektra – #3 – 15,113
Silver Surfer – #10 – 15,041
World Of Wakanda – #6 – 14,547
Nova – #5 – 14,525
Silk – #19 – 13,524
Thunderbolts – #12 – 13,780
Kingpin – #3 – 13,765
Rocket Raccoon – #5 – 13,373
Power Man & Iron Fist – #15 – 13,055
Bullseye – #3 – 12,912
Star-Lord – #6 – 12,278
Squirrel Girl – #19 – 11,074
Occupy Avengers – #6 – 10,296
Unstoppable Wasp – #4 – 9,780
Great Lakes Avengers – #7 – 8,370
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur – #18 – 7,966
Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat – #17 – 6,943
Mosaic – #7 – 5,876

DC
Hellblazer #9 - 19,115
Superwoman #9 - 17,835
New Super Man #10 - 14,748
Cyborg #11 - 13,677
Blue Beetle #8 - 13,406

Meanwhile, even the mainstream media wants to discreet Secret Empire with SJW sites like Bleeding Cool and Screenrant pointing out that Secret Empire #0 has been beaten by the Button crossover.
Not Only Did Batman #21 Actually Outsell Secret Empire #0 – But So Did Flash #21
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Marvel’s Secret Empire Loses To DC, Claims Win Anyway?
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How much longer are they going to take?

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youtu.be/QKFG0OHw1FU

Dylan Sanchez
Dylan Sanchez

Occupy Avengers? WTF is that? no wonder Marvel is dying.

Chase Cruz
Chase Cruz

How do you fuck up a Kingpin book?

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

Must be hard, not being able to mention .40% of the 1%.

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

by hiring the kind of writers that marvel hires.

Leo Carter
Leo Carter

Wait…Blue Beetle's going to get cancelled? There is no justice in this world. It's bad enough we didn't get a Booster Gold book and now they're going to cancel Blue Beetle too? There goes the Blue and Gold…

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

DC
Hellblazer #9 - 19,115
Superwoman #9 - 17,835
New Super Man #10 - 14,748
Cyborg #11 - 13,677
Blue Beetle #8 - 13,406

Yeah, that sounds about right. It sucks that New Super Man is selling so low when it's actually a decent book and that Batgirl isn't on the list when it's one of the worst books DC is putting out right now, but in general these numbers make sense to me.

Brayden King
Brayden King

And Blue Beetle ain't bad too. Then again, the Blue Beetle comics have a knack of getting cancelled.

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

For context, just how many titles are both companies pushing out? I remember from previous threads that Marvel has a massive shitload of books while DC has been more restrained which sounds like basic fucking business sense to me–if comic books aren't selling as much as they used to, make less comic books.

Nolan Watson
Nolan Watson

Wait…Blue Beetle's going to get cancelled?
Not necessarily, it's just nearing those numbers

Jaxon Watson
Jaxon Watson

Of course, it's not the SJW bullshit, it's those gosh-darned pirates reading these amazing comics for free!
archive.is/McXty

John Reed
John Reed

Only one of those I read is Superwoman and I get it. I like the book but it keeps starting long term stories and then immediately dropping them in the most jarring ways possible, it's gonna turn people off.

Eli Sullivan
Eli Sullivan

That isn't even HALF of Marvel's April output.

It isn't the SJW bullshit, nor is it piracy. Marvel's literally drowning the market with books.

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

Even though it's pozzed to all he'll with it's "grrrl power!" It's still a decent book.

You can see the writers want her to cuck steel with Superman every chance they get.

Dylan Johnson
Dylan Johnson

To think this was the company that almost bought DC, I don't really read capes because I feel too late to get in on them, but they are undeniably in a better spot.
Moon Knight and Moon Girl crossover when?

Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

The girl power shit isn't too overt, it's inescapable at this point if you have a female character. At least it's not a Marvel book where the entire story will stop for a lecture on how you the reader are a terrible person.

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

Shame about New Superman and Blue Beetle. They're decent titles. I can't in good faith buy from either company though. At least happy Marvel is suffering more.

Leave Moon Knight alone.

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

This guy made a good point.

Grayson Thompson
Grayson Thompson

To my knowledge Elektra, Bullseye, Kingpin, and Man-Thing are minis. Spidey 2099 is ending soon anyway. Nova and Silk are already canned. Those numbers just confirm what everybody already knows: Marvel just can't keep most of their books above board.

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

How ironic in retrospect.

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

Now that right there is some top tier banter.

Owen Russell
Owen Russell

They're minis now

Lincoln Clark
Lincoln Clark

it isnt sjw bullshit
yes it fucking is.
there can be more then 1 reason for fall, death by thousand cuts and all

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

He shreds all those DC and Image books but he would NEVER shred Fantastic Four #375 despite it being as bad (which is what happens when a comic goes for 375 years, apparently)

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

Silver Surfer is refreshingly enjoyable
Written by Dan Slott
I could have stopped there, but why not keep going? I know this dude is a retard that doesn't know what he is talking. Even his arguments are poorly constructed.

"I can't afford all the comics I need." (No one "needs" a comic. It's not food or clothing.)
Its true its not a necessity. So which is why I don't need to waste money on it when I could spend on essentials like food or clothes.

"I wouldn't pay money for them anyway, so it makes no difference if I get them illegally." (Cobblers. If you're addicted to a comic, you'd buy it.)
Now this isn't even argument, its straight up shilling. You are telling people to mindlessly drop money.

"File sharing helps build an audience and then people will buy the ones they like." (Not really. It just encourages more piracy.)
I really don't care what people do with their own money. Some people I know buy comics because they prefer the physical copy anyways.

"It's no different to loaning a mate a comic." (Totally different. Piracy is giving an unlimited number of "mates" that same comic, therefore damaging potential sales.)
This is a strawman argument that this cuck created to easily debunk because there is no way people actually believe that.

Here is the reality of my situation:
1) I am a HUEnigger and here in my country, it takes a year at most for comics to arrive fully translated, and by the time you are on the internet, you already knows how the comic ends a long time before you are finished so why even bother buying it? And good luck trying to find certain comics that aren't Big Two capeshit. Titan Comics Dynamite doesn't publish anything here so no John Carter, Red Sonja, Dejah Thoris, Elric of Melniboné and stuff like that. Its exceedingly rare to find them and honestly I'd be glad to support these comics if their quality is worth it.

2) I used to buy a lot of used comics from an old comic book store at cheaper prices back in high school and I had to deal with not enough room in my home to keep them so I had to stop buying.

3) And that is before even considering the SJW bullshit. Its so funny when American leftists think that non-American audiences give a shit about their causes. "Oh look Donald Trump is the ultimate evil", mate let me tell you: you are out of your mind if you think any Brazilian hates Trump more than Michel Temer, or if any Venezuelan hates him more than Maduro. Hell, I'd doubt that Ms. Marvel is popular with any Arab females out there. All these comics boil down to the author's masturbation fantasy where their Mary Sue characters get to attack bigots since they can't do this in real life. This isn't really made for us anyways so why bother buying it?

William Martin
William Martin

this is a straw man created to easily debunk
No, people believe that and use it a lot. Niel Gaiman has used it to defend piracy.

Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

Elric of Melnibone
Wait is there a new Elric comic out?

Jason Bennett
Jason Bennett

you think you have it bad? i dont even think they translate them in my slavland

Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

Neil Gailman defended piracy
Well I genuinely did not knew this.

No, there isn't. Titan Comics only made those two graphic novels Ruby Throne and Stormbringer, but I would have spent my money on them because that is a thing I feel worth owning the physical copy and showing it to my friends.

I imagine, user. Not that I am too mad about spending money on comics.

Matthew Evans
Matthew Evans

Mainstream publishers don't give a shit about Brazilians outside of cheap labor. The domestic market is all that matters, monkey.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

gwenpoool under 20,000

What a shame. Only good book Marvel is doing right now and its all outsourced with no Marvel employees working on it.

William Rogers
William Rogers

Oh Jesus the 90's is just dripping off that page.

Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

good book
That's not how you spell "cute waifu". Because that's the only good thing about it.

Blake Brown
Blake Brown

No, people believe that and use it a lot. Niel Gaiman has used it to defend piracy.
I would like to know more

Parker Adams
Parker Adams

It's legitimately funny and has good plots.

Lucas Martinez
Lucas Martinez

I see bright things in Devin Lewis' future, tbh.

Thomas Murphy
Thomas Murphy

only good book

That would be Venom.

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

Gwenpool
is the end coming

Don't forget Renew your vows

it's decent enough, but the cute Gurihiru art does definitely help

venomfag please go

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

5 of these had a Trump like villain last year

Thomas Bell
Thomas Bell

I guess it's telling Marvel Studios now has nothing to do with them

Nathan Ramirez
Nathan Ramirez

meso america isn't on that list
fucking why

Aiden Sullivan
Aiden Sullivan

The blogger linked to grew up in the UK in the 60's, when kids at school did used to all buy different comics and then swap them around among each other. Not something that happens today of course, but I've seen some older bloggers assuming it does (never mind that kids don't read comics, and Britain only has 3 that are suitable for children anyway).
One was using it to argue against faggotry in Archie by saying that kids "swap comics with their pals", and that some of those "pal's" parents might not agree with homosexuality. He lives in fucking Scotland, show me the Scots kid who even knows what Archie is.

Adrian Barnes
Adrian Barnes

I bet they aren't feeling so smug now.

Levi King
Levi King

Cancer incarnate.

Brody Green
Brody Green

And then Captain America and Magneto became Nazis. I think this needs an update.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

DC: Maby we shouldn't fall all over ourselves trying to chase degenerate fads our actual customers don't care about.
Marvel: ALL ABOUT THE POZ TRAIN CHOO CHOO

And yet I'm sure marvel is still wondering what could possibly be going so wrong.

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

everything in that image

Dominic Bailey
Dominic Bailey

This shit begs for a Holla Forums edit!!!

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

DC: Maby we shouldn't fall all over ourselves trying to chase degenerate fads our actual customers don't care about.
Let's not say silly things buddy, DC is doing their darndest to get on the same train. They accidentally made a really good Superman series recently but the majority of their lineup is poorly.

Noah Harris
Noah Harris

Well, I guess people who buy comics don't care about petty shit like that.
Side note: Does anyone else find the term People of Colour rascist as shit? It's like calling them colored.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

It's not as heavy-handed as marvel and there are designated diversity books like Green Lanterns and Hal has his own book for example.

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

When people say, "Person of colour" I like to ask, "Oh, which colour?"

Levi Bennett
Levi Bennett

isnt black and white hues not colors or some shit?

Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

Shades, but yes. Don't tell people that though or they'll realize what shady is code for.

Nolan Price
Nolan Price

No, Brazilians are brown.

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

brazilians
people

Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

The irony was that Linkara made this edit.

Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

Especially the 9gag watermark.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

More people than sandniggers at least.

Jack Bennett
Jack Bennett

Magneto became Nazis

Wyatt Rogers
Wyatt Rogers

Magneto didn't really become a Nazi. That was just an variant cover that people flipped their shit for nothing, even though there was also a Hydra Black Panther variant cover too and nobody cared.

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

Maybe Gwenpool would be doing better if they didn't pull the ol' "switch out the main artist/writer for some no-talent retards every other issue and hope no one notices" schtick.

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

Let's not say silly things buddy, DC is doing their darndest to get on the same train.
They aren't, actually. They have a few social justice books but they've generally scaled back on that. Sites like Bleeding Cool ran articles on how DC were becoming more 'conservative' because they canned the shitty books that nobody bought

Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray

White is light and Black is the absence of light

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

Oh my… This is just plain ugly.

Leo Perez
Leo Perez

What gets me is that they not only shat out those background windows in half a second but they couldn't even be bothered to not copy paste them,

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

Why do all these kinds of shit comics constantly reference Buffy?

Dominic Flores
Dominic Flores

They love Whedon

Michael Peterson
Michael Peterson

Magneto was a Nazi before
You just have to trade "aryan" for "muttie" and "kike" for "human"

Samuel Murphy
Samuel Murphy

At least its not as bad as when memepool got drawn by the hacks who shit out LICD and LFG

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

CA: Sam Wilson – #21 – 18,650

Read that as "CIA: Bill Wilson" and I was wondering what universe I had stumbled into where he somehow had his own Marvel comic.

If only.

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

/waifuist/index.html

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

that crappy font for Doodkill Station
are they even trying anymore? Fuck, Deviantart commissions aren't this bad.

Justin Diaz
Justin Diaz

wonder woman is too difficult

Wait, DC has a Wonder Woman movie coming out this year, and feminists hated what Joss Whedon did with Black Widow.

Jackson Richardson
Jackson Richardson

…I was never into Buffy, and I knew Whedon more as the faggot SJW male feminist than anything else. It never occurred to me that he's the one that made it.
I don't even think they're fans of him, or that they love him. This must be a connections thing. They reference Buffy FAR too often.

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

I don't even think they're fans of him, or that they love him.

Yes, very specifically they love him and his work. Until a few years ago he was one of the most well liked personalities in the "lol I'm such a nerd" culture.

Its not hard to figure out, Buffy was out when most of the current crop of new writers were in high school, its something they grew up with.

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

But they never reference stuff like Sabrina the Teenage Witch that much. No Gossip Girl, no Gilmore Girls, no The Hills, no Degrassi, none of the other stuff that's been a staple of girls of that age. I have two older sisters who were that exact age group and it seems odd that these things only reference Buffy, and reference Buffy up the ass. I see it referenced so often you think that it'd be a modern, ongoing series.

Hudson Richardson
Hudson Richardson

Anthologies and indie stuff aside, I haven't bought a comic that I didn't download first since 2004. Piracy is also the only way to get access to a lot of foreign stuff.

But they never reference stuff like Sabrina the Teenage Witch that much. No Gossip Girl, no Gilmore Girls, no The Hills, no Degrassi, none of the other stuff that's been a staple of girls of that age
You forgot One Tree Hill.
People writing these comics are either male feminist most of them in fact, or tumblrinas. Shows you listed are just for normalfag Stacys.

Noah Ross
Noah Ross

I think it's because Joss became a one-man brand for faux-geeks. It started with Buffy, but by the time he'd made Dollhouse or Firefly, it had really started to pick up steam.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson

the dollhouse
Wasn't that movie shit?

I'm surprised they don't reference Xena since that came out at the same time.

Dominic Powell
Dominic Powell

Is this the same team that draws critical miss?

Hudson Adams
Hudson Adams

Wasn't that movie shit?

Absolutely, and Whedon blamed everyone except himself for it.

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

Have you ever seen any of them reference Dollhouse or Firefly?
It's just Buffy.
It's weird.

Good point. Xena's another one from the same era. It's really fucking weird to me, feels like some kind of conspiracy or something. The closest thing I can think of is the first issue of America, where some cunt compares Chavez to My Chemical Romance as if they're still a thing.

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

Have you ever seen any of them reference Dollhouse or Firefly?
It's just Buffy.
It's weird
Probably because of muh strong women.

Wait they seriously referenced My Chemical Romance? The only time I gave a shit about them was when I was in middle school and freshman/sophomore in highschool.

Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

That is because Joss Whedon is a thief. Buffy is pretty much a direct rip off of an earlier anime. Firefly too, and Firefly is just blatant in using entire shots.

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

I know that Firefly is pretty much Cowboy Bebop, but what's Buffy ripped off from?

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

Devil Hunter Yohko.

Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

nice . literally , blogpost

Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

Xena and Hercules were entertaining tripe. It was retarded campy fun and not that snarky shit that Whedon is responsible for spawning.

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

VIA 9GAG.COM
PERFECT

Ian Davis
Ian Davis

Pretty sure Buffy was way more popular than any of those. Even my mum used to like Buffy and she certainly liked Angel

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

Have you ever seen any of them reference Dollhouse or Firefly?
Those were cult shows. Buffy and Angel were mainstream

Jonathan Gutierrez
Jonathan Gutierrez

The worst part of that is that while he did write a draft of Toy Story his contributions were both minimal and shared with like twelve other people. In fact, the most notable thing Whedon did on Toy Story was add Rex and try to add in Barbie because he's a faggot

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

They all use TV Tropes.

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

In his defense, Rex is adorable.

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

I thought Firefly was a rip off of Outlaw Star?

Christopher Gonzalez
Christopher Gonzalez

The core plot was, and a few scenes were just straight ripped, but the setting and the characters weren't. Of course the setting was Space Western taken to the most retardedly literal degree possible and the characters were generic space western archetypes with quippy bullshit piled on top so it might've been better off as an Outlaw Star ripoff.

William Moore
William Moore

He doesn't rip off only anime. Dr. Horrible's Sing-a-Long Blog is just a blatant copy of Dr. Steel's Read-A-Long, but dumbed down and tweaked to appeal to faux geeks.

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

I liked Rex but that's the only notable thing he did on the movie. The movie is, thankfully, missing all of his hallmarks.

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

ell oh ell

Cooper Cook
Cooper Cook

You know with Firefly I kind of wished they explored the background of the Alliance and how they were formed as a result of China allying with the US. It feels like the world has so much potential to explore but they never use it.

Blake Richardson
Blake Richardson

I weep for Marvel comics.

Luis Myers
Luis Myers

Buffy is loved by modern writers because it was a decent fantasy/sci-fi show on tv when basically nothing else was, so anyone who was remotely nerdy watched it, and was fairly long running as well.

To be fair, he did only get one season, and most of that was spent establishing the basics of the world and the characters.

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

Heh.

Evan Barnes
Evan Barnes

WTF was the point of marrying Batwoman off anyways? I mean she just started dating her fucking girlfriend, and then she's asking her to marry her the next issue. That was a good redpill to me that these fucks don't even read the comics they bitch about.

Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

Eh, it's not unreasonable that a couple would decide to get married after a few months together, especially after a hydra rolls over your city. Dykes don't have the uhaul stereotype for nothing, but the only real problem with it was that it was explicitly DC not wanting to break any character's status quo by having "permanent" relationships, i.e. Lois and Clark. That resulted in the completely fine duo of JHWIII and Blackman being replaced by ACTUAL progressive retards who gave Batwoman a gay supervillain rival and had her turned into a vampire while forming a team with Clayface and Jason Blood for some fucking reason. In the end, DC unfucked itself, but not before shaving Batwoman's head and publishing this clusterfuck.

If they could've seen the future, even they might have decided to just let the dykes get married and appease tumblr just to stop this.

David Ward
David Ward

Eh, it's not unreasonable that a couple would decide to get married after a few months together
Yes, it absolutely is, unless you're a celebrity or trailer trash that met your soulmate while black-out drunk in Las Vegas.
It should be at least a year, and even then, I'd say that's if you were already in your 40s or 50s and were rushing to marry.

Luke Smith
Luke Smith

Dunno. My father proposed to my mother after knowing her for a couple of months and they've been happily married for over 30+ years. It's actually one of the few things that gives me hope in this bleak age.

Elijah Reyes
Elijah Reyes

Your parents are liars and you were adopted.

Nicholas Wilson
Nicholas Wilson

Because none of those play too well in the world of virtue signaling and that's mostly because those shows tended to be liked by normal girls. The type of girl that doesn't care if the main character is saved by a strong man or if the MC is less than perfect. The audience usually focuses on the drama and relationships.

But Buffy? Buffy is different. She's simple. She's a snarky, girly girl, who everyone likes or wants to fuck, her biggest downside is being too hard on herself or caring too much, but she can kick anything's ass. That's why hacks love it. It's the easiest thing to write and no matter how one note it is, you'll get ass pats because muh grrrl empowerment. She's the perfect stand in for SJWs, especially transfaggots, to see themselves as. To steal their bullshit, she's their power fantasy. I've never met a Buffy fan that wasn't a goony beard cuck or fattie fat fat woman. The kind of person who would look down on someone for watching Gossip Girl because it's problematic or some stupid shit.

Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

Buffy is loved by modern writers because it was a decent fantasy/sci-fi show on tv when basically nothing else was, so anyone who was remotely nerdy watched it, and was fairly long running as well.

^This. It was decent fun and fuck all else was on.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

It should be at least a year, and even then, I'd say that's if you were already in your 40s or 50s and were rushing to marry.
How sheltered are you?

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

Buffy is loved by modern writers because it was a decent fantasy/sci-fi show on tv when basically nothing else was
You're talking about the nineties. There were plenty of other, better shows on

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

They aren't, actually.
I see that you're not looking at the books they put out.
Sites like Bleeding Cool ran articles on how DC were becoming more 'conservative' because they canned the shitty books that nobody bought
Oh man there's an article saying they're going to stop with the lefty shit? Dang that's new, they don't have that same article every month, it's gonna be different this time I bet.

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

I think he has the right idea, but you should live with someone before getting married, for a year at least
Make sure you know them well and all that, rushing into marriage is stupid

Angel Wilson
Angel Wilson

There is no 'right time' to get married. Some people get married after having known each other for maybe six months, and end up married for years. Other people wait ten years until they finally decide to get married, and then get divorced within the first year of marriage.

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

mfw

Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star you faggot.

Aaron Jackson
Aaron Jackson

youtu.be/QKFG0OHw1FU

Michael Nelson
Michael Nelson

What else besides Stargate was there for sci-fi/fantasy fans? You might include all the shit Kevin Sorbo did back then, but none of it was very good. Buffy and Stargate were the only quality shows for nerds back then.

Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

Babylon 5 and Deep Space 9.

William Baker
William Baker

Babylon 5 was awful, and DS9 just gets absorbed into the giant cultural mass that is all of Star Trek.

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

awful
Eh?
DS9
Still good.

Sebastian Gonzalez
Sebastian Gonzalez

DS9 was enough of it's own thing to be accessible to non-Trek fans. Also Trek-fans mostly hate it, but that's not really relevant.

Nolan Fisher
Nolan Fisher

Daily reminder that the only thing Whedon did well was "Cabin in the woods".

And I'm starting to believe someone else did it.

Justin Taylor
Justin Taylor

Cabin in the Woods
done well

Cabin in the Woods was far too smug and flippant to be an effective parody of horror movies. Absolutely nothing was taken seriously, and nearly every single scene smacked that Whedon has never watched a horror movie in his life.

The most glaring evidence of this was his choice of The Director, Sigourney Weaver. Why make a movie about a cabin in the woods and not have the big bad-guy be Bruce Campbell, the guy who starred in the original "cabin in the woods" movie?

Austin King
Austin King

Well, it could be done worse. It could be some Buffy shit or Firefly shit.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

wanting to see Bruce Campbell lose
Are you literally a monster?

Cooper Sullivan
Cooper Sullivan

Since this thread was, at least originally, about bad Marvel sales…

America #2 - 23,987
I remember predicting that it'd fall in the 22,000 - 26,000 range so I was pretty dead on there. Also predicted that it'd be below 20,000 with issue 3 and we're right on track for that goal. So the question is does it limp along for a while like Hellcat or Moongirl or end somehwere from issue 6 to issue 10?

Unstoppable Wasp #4 - 9,780
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I think the only ongoing selling worse is Mosaic and that's finished as of next week's issue while Wasp is still going through at least July. Also unlike Mosaic which wasn't actually bad and had factors working against it (no promotion whatsoever, Inhumans toxicity, not really appearing in his book outside of bit parts) Wasp doesn't really have that shit and IIRC is a member of the Avengers currently.

Caleb Sullivan
Caleb Sullivan

Not really. Marvel over-saturated the market with different titles and cross over events, and fielded titles with no consumer market already established.

People that say it's just "SJW" pandering don't actually buy comics. Or else they would know why Miles Morales is well loved while Whore, and black Captain American is reviled. Other than Secret Empire (which may be an allegory for Trump) most of the writing has been mediocre to awful, not necessarily SJW pandering.

Kayden Stewart
Kayden Stewart

People that say it's just "SJW" pandering don't actually buy comics
buying comics
Do you know where you are?

Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

Mandatory "I only buy what I like, and pirate what I hate" defense.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

fielded titles with no consumer market already established.
And why did they do that champ? Because of SJW bullshit.
Or else they would know why Miles Morales is well loved
Miles Morales still sucks ass dude. They didn't develop him well enough before Ultimatum and they sure as shit haven't done a good job since. His character boils down to "Man it's hard to be Spiderman but you know what else is hard? Being black and a teen AND Spiderman".

William Butler
William Butler

Jokes on you I pirate all Marvel and DC's comics that I read regardless of quality.

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

Sorry, after Ultimatum

Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

That's sound awfully Jewish of you user.

I can appreciate the whole "we want every reader to have their own "hero" they can relate to". Had they executed a bit better then it wouldn't have caused as much issues. They obviously jumped the shark way before Mockingbird or Whore, I'd say right after the incursions, and Axis. And their sales didn't start slowing down until after the abortion that was Civil War 2. Maybe there's several factors, I'm not, nor do I claim to be an expert.

David Butler
David Butler

I can appreciate the whole "we want every reader to have their own "hero" they can relate to".
I mean it's self-defeating idea buddy. If they're saying "Mexican readers cant relate to heroes who aren't Mexican" and accepting that idea, then how is a white guy like myself going to relate to non-white heroes? I mean the thing is that even if they'd executed it flawlessly, it wouldn't be a good idea anyway. Miles is only Mexican for the purpose of pandering, and we know this because he never acts like a Latino. He's a white guy painted Latino. Latinos aren't mystical things nobody has ever seen, we have seen hispanics in real life and they suck. They stink, they're dumb and they're rude. But Miles does not hold any of their traits, he's hispanic in color alone.
The basic gist of it is that if you make black characters they should act like black people. Black people act shitty, so why make black characters? Whites, Asians, Slavs, even Maoris have redeemable flaws, they simply make the best characters.

That's sound awfully Jewish of you user.
If you Jew a Jew, are you really Jewing?

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

If you Jew a Jew, are you really Jewing
Yes. Stan Lee did it all the time.

Xavier King
Xavier King

Whoever is still buying fucking comics from Marvel or even DC needs to just fucking stop. Time to "gamergate" this fucking industry till they stop pulling their fucking sjw shit.

Ethan Carter
Ethan Carter

Like I said. Good in intention, bad in execution. DC promoted Cyborg to full Justice Leaguer, and turned a nobody like Alan Scott gay. I don't think the intention was (at least I hope it wasn't) to try and spew some shit about how all races are equal. I mean, Tony Stark has a life no one can relate to, but people seem to find him okay. Marvel seems to hate Tony, but fans don't

Yes. You can Jew a Jew. Then you become what you hate. And might as well change your last name to Goldenstineberg

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

NO
We do not need anymore "gate" controversies, especially since they turn into fucking brands and get their asses handed to them by a bunch of twittards. I buy comics from independents to support them, but the market just has to fucking crash like marvel is intent on doing. The diversity shit is failing (since white people are the major demographic of comics) and making a huge stink about it would get media attention on a dying medium and make it worse. Just be patient.

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

Still, I wouldn't say pirating Marvel's poz comics is a Jewish thing to do. Stealing isn't an inherently Jewish act, it's not like I'm committing usury ya dingus.

DC promoted Cyborg to full Justice Leaguer
Cyborg could just as easily be white though, that's what I'm saying. And really he's neither white nor black, he's a cyborg. That's the part about him that's interesting.

Jacob Harris
Jacob Harris

Agreed. The situation is completely different. With gamergate there was evidence of corruption and collusion where SJW "journalists" and "game devs" conspired to forcefully change video games and the culture surrounding them.

Comics has already changed. Even if there was evidence of corruption uncovered it wouldn't change what happened now. They still won.
All we can do is wait, vote with our wallets and make sure companies know why we're not buying their products.

But I doubt Marvel will ever make a comeback. Because they don't seem to be concerned with making a profit. They seem to have been given unlimited resources to create propaganda. They'll only stop once Disney decides they're ineffective and shuts down the comic division.

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

Yes. Cyborg isn't Static. He's not defined by his race. But he's not black batman, who does everything batman does. But he's still black. Adds some flavor without over doing with the "Black Batman. Does everything Batman does only as a Black guy". He's Cyborg. I really do love diverse teams. Have since the Power Rangers. But I like it prepared a certain way.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

You think with an SJW infestation we'd see hacks and garbage writers like Garth Ennis get kicked out of the industry. Instead they've gotten progressively worse. Which I didn't think was even possible. To the point where ever piles of shit like Crossed turn SJW.

Connor Thompson
Connor Thompson

SJW's don't care about anyone's abilities. All they care about is how closely you follow their dogma.

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

Ennis hasn't written Crossed in forever I thought?

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

Not pointing out that Garth writes or to be more accurate used to write crossed. But that it's possible that edgy crap has survived in the SJW cess pit.

Gavin Perry
Gavin Perry

What about Farscape?

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

Absolutely, and Whedon blamed everyone except himself for it.
Whedon said the same of Alien: Resurrection, his exact words were "They said the lines… mostly… but they said them all wrong."

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

That started in 1999, they're talking about early to mid 90s.

Jace Diaz
Jace Diaz

One of the guys from MCR did the Spider-EVA issue of Spider-Verse that was actually pretty good.

Carter Green
Carter Green

He also did Umbrella Academy didn't he?

Luis Thompson
Luis Thompson

Yeah. Apparently he's actually a decent comic writer, just has a reputation for better and worse for being "That guy from MCR."

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

The worst, most disappointing part about all of this, is that it was done so badly.

Comics, Hollywood, Jew York. It was kiked up propaganda since forever, one step after another.

But it was well done well. It was entertaining, riveting, and sometimes, the stories and presentations were just that. damn. good.

Whats been happening reminds me of what happened to the art scene. It was destroyed. By the CIA.

Matthew Hernandez
Matthew Hernandez

So you're saying the jews are no longer the final boss?

Nicholas Moore
Nicholas Moore

Hows the Super Girl comic?

Easton Butler
Easton Butler

Degrassi
Which is fascinating given how faggy it is.

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

Farscape

Christopher Lewis
Christopher Lewis

Hmm? Oh no. No, Im just saying the demoralization has hit a new peak.

Jokes on them though. It was the very quality and enjoyment that encouraged a large chunk of the latest generation to fuck off into obsession and become de socialized.

Its as dumb as driving neonazis off the internet at every corner. Congratulations. They are back to organizing in the real world.

Dominic Adams
Dominic Adams

I kike musician wrote this issue, not Garth and Crossed is over now.
Stopped in the 100# with a shitload of unsolved business

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

gamergate in 2017
okay dude

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

You're mom is an okay dude lmao

Jackson James
Jackson James

Marvel is already getting the GamerGate treatment why do you think 30 of it's titles are going under.

Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

Marvel's titles are failing for the same reason it's too late for a gamergate: they've already pushed the 'gamers' out.

Cameron Campbell
Cameron Campbell

It isn't the SJW bullshit
Fuck off with your unsolicited opinions on cis comic customers

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

post sales figures for the week
see Marvel
"Wow, Marvel is really doing shitty!"
see DC
"Wow, they're not really doing any better at all!"
realize that these sales are at the TOP of the charts

So, how is this only Marvel's problem, instead of the entire industry?

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

Fuck off with your unsolicited opinions on cis comic customers

He's right though, or at least not completely wrong. Even if Marvel wasn't chugging Kool-Aid by the gallon, all their books would still be shit, and there'd be way too damn many of them as to be impenetrable to normalfags and uninteresting to comic fans.

Kevin Morales
Kevin Morales

Yes pretty much. Though it's fun to shit on Marvel due to their recent fuckery.

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

The SJW shit goes hand in hand with the number of books. One of the reasons they are putting out so many books is because of the asspats and free press they get from SJWs that they thought would lead to sales.

Ms Marvel came out and did fairly well sales wise, with critics, and twitter of non-comic readers. Then they did Whor and it sold, but mostly due to speculators. Once they went away numbers went back to where they were or lower. But Marvel always overdoes something when it works for them and what they thought was working was books starring nigs/shitskins/cunts with them usually taking over established roles. So we got Spider-Gwen, Black Cap, Mooncricket, etc. all the way up to IronNigglet. One or two SJW books would have done better for new readers, built a cult following, and been largely ignored by older fans, but Marvel went so far that their world no longer resembled anything a lot of long time fans recognized and there were too many SJW books for new readers and too many relaunches for them to understand.

Levi Nelson
Levi Nelson

We can try to add maybe one or two 'people of color'
NEW MS MARVEL THAT'S MUSLIM
people of color
MUSLIM
Is there a virus that causes these people to think Islam is a race?

Luke Cox
Luke Cox

Buffy was the gateway for lots of SJWs to get into 'nerd culture'. It was a romance targeted to girls about a Mary Sue who fights like a man and romances vampires. Naturally it picked up a fanbase disproportionately low-status female. Being low-status most of them were unattractive, so most of them were feminists, hence many of them wound up as SJWs. And then the ones who went on to be 'writers' never left their love of Buffy behind.

Also remember Whedon's writing is snarky and ironic and super selfaware, like most of the SJW social rejects who adopt those stances as a shield to protect themselves from feeling just how bad their lives suck. So the show pulled in lots of people like that. People who never outgrow highschool and spend the rest of their lives snarking and obsessed with gaining social status and getting one-up over on "bullies". And Buffy was made for them, it spoke to them and filled their youths with a common work of media they could retreat to as a fantasy world to escape how much their lives suck.

So SJW writers signal that they like that shit all the time. It was babby's first Mary Sue vampire romance, one of the worst fandoms ever. Half the TV Tropes entries used to be named after characters/terms/things from Buffy, it was fucking disgusting.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

Buffy was the first TV show to play up female lust the way it did. It was like an Ann Rice or Laurell Hamilton novel lite, introducing millions of antisocial teenage girls across the country to the wonders of vampire alpha males, and tying in petty highschool drama with hackneyed wish-fulfillment plots about the saving the world, and looking good while doing it. It was like Twilight, before Twilight, only more feminist and violent.

Andrew Gray
Andrew Gray

Is there a virus that causes these people to think Islam is a race?

They'll never turn it down so long as it's brown. Anything that isn't white, must be brown!

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

Yes. It's called Leftism

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

Who do you think is creating the bad writing and content genius? The snowflake, "white left" sjw.

Ayden Bailey
Ayden Bailey

Gamergate was (mostly) against boycotting developers, unless they did obvious SJW shit.
On the other hand, there's no organised "boycott" of Marvel, thier stuff is just so shit even normies don't want it.

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

anything that isn't white
That's literally the definition of Person of Color. How did that become politically correct?

Jose Harris
Jose Harris

when the left threw all logic and reason out of the window in the early 2000's

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