I finished medical school this year...

I finished medical school this year. I wonder what will be the incentive to work for a communist country if my high skill work isn't payed better than a ditch digger? I studied hard for most of my life and I'm just a cog in the machine like all else. Are communists/socialist/whatever aware that people who can earn by having certain skills more will just escape lefty countries to the oppressive more free market lands?

Infant mortality in Cuba is lower than the us

I take it you've taken some rotations and internships already? Did you feel like the work being done wasn't intrinsically valuable, that your role as a physician plays an important part in lots of people's lives in an essential way? Even though you weren't getting paid for it?
To me that was the most important part of my internships so far.

I'm glad my uni pushes dumbasses like you into radio or anesthesiology.

Why dont you become a ditch digger then? Or go work in the mines, it pays better than being a doctor in australia. Why did you become a doctor if you wanted to be rich? Why didn't you become a banker or lawyer, ya idiot?

Also
try harder.

World Revolution, kiddo.

THERE IS NO ESCAPE

Pow right in the kisser (we are different people although our flags are the same)

Premed students are the worst kind of people any undergrad will tell you that.

vast majority are, but that doesn't imply all. It's all the problem resulting from the amount of money and time that is invested into becoming a doctor in the first place.

I honestly don't understand why america swears by this retarded system where you go for a college degree for four years first and afterwards go to med school for another four years.
Such a waste of money.

That applies to near every profession within a capitalist system. However, one should recognize they aren't in it for the "money" but what that money represents.

whoops forgot my shitposting flag

cry me a fuckin river

lol, as if state will allow you
society reproduced your ass for a reason

but don't you worry, *comrade*
differential wages will still be present in socialism, but it just could so happen that country needs ditch diggers at the moment more than medfags, so guess who will be paid more…

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If you lived in a post scarcity society which would also suggest that medical treatment wasn't scarce, you wouldn't be working to begin with, if medical treatment in such a society had to be drawn from a limited labour pool, then it wouldn't be a communist society by definition.

If you meant in a socialist society, then as a doctor you would be entitled to the fruits of your labour and nothing more.

Western countries have deliberately bottlenecked the medical profession in collusion with medical practitioners as guilds had done in the high medieval period in their own self-interest, so you have an inflated sense of self-worth for being a artisanal butcher of men and that coupled with intellectual property rights on medical equipment and drugs have ensure that your trade continues to pilfer the coffers of the public.

I look forward to the day when the bureaucrat hegemony over medical schools has been smashed and you command no more respect or prestige than other university educated public sector workers as well the ever encroaching advances in medical technology diminishing your bargaining leverage as well as the looming window on drugs that will soon be public domain.

I don't know OP, do you think you'll be fulfilled in life by digging ditches?

Waste of money for u profit of money for Universities

Doctors dont make much money at all in europe, not as much as other professions like business or law.

That depends entirely on the country and specialty you choose
I know GPs who are stinkin rich and cardiologists who're pretty much average middle class.

Unless they belong to a firm that works for people like Apple, a lawyer's life is far from luxurious. Don't get me wrong, if you get a cozy corporate job then you'll make a decent amount of money, but there's more to lawyering than just sucking porky's dick.

t. second year law student

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For a med student you sure are fucking retarded

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The irony of statements like these is that OP probably couldn't dig a ditch if his life depended on it.

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that's not an achievement


I want to go into internal medicine or oncology


because I want to earn money without being a physical worker, that's for animals or machines


haha, I have impossible dreams too buddy

that's how you justify that you are a loser? top kek buddy, it sucks that you taken feminist dance therapy, you made your bed, now sleep in it


no


another physical worker, I suppose you are the vanguard of the coming revolution, aren't you?

Why post here if you're not going to engage in an honest discussion?
fuck off tbh

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Lazy nigger

what honest discussion? by fighting an unjust prol lie that medical specialists are overpaid?

I thought you idpolers were supposed to be tolerant

Were anti-idpol, snowmonkey

we know that is not true, but whatevs

Well you are in denial about lots of things, so i dont really give a fuck about what you think

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Im in it just because I like the work

You come off as someone that would commit malpractice within the first three months of your professional life

I don't know why people are bumping this thread, this shitposting has no merit

I wonder how communism or whatever fairy tale you believe in would incentivise people to be doctors/lawyers/bioengineers? if they had to study their whole life and get the title and have the same position in society as ditch diggers then what would be the point? if my parents knew doctors made jack shit they would dissuade me from becoming one.


you come off as a typical asshurt prole

kys tbh

Your parents sound like pieces of shit fam

mad cash? more like comfortable and decent livings


no, my parents love me and want the best for me. What about yours?

doctors are proles too, dingus

And yes you're talking about the prestige because you'd be wealthier under communism and so would the ditch digger, and that's what bothers you.

They wouldn't stop me from persuing what I want to do even if it doesn't make as much money. If I wanted to become a ditch digger they would be disappointed but still support me.

But people would still respect you more so I guess it's not the prestige.
It's just seeing other people worse off that gets your rocks off, is it?

What the heck, you went through medical school just for money?!

You sound like you came from wealth, like most communists on the internet. "Do what you enjoy, not what makes money" is a very muh privileged bourgeois position.
t. poorfag

that is straight up bullshit, there was no succesful socialist/communist country on this planet, thats why your post doesn't make sense.


my also, seems like you see things that aren't in my posts, becasue i'm so filthy capitalist shill for some reason…


no but I wonder what would be my life under communism, the whole Original post is about my situation under communism, not a current situation.

I thought leftists weren't proles but bourgeois college kids? Make up your mind, Holla Forums

I second that.

Fuck off cunt, my dads a teacher and my moms a nurse.

Why are you posting here if you're not even entertaining the idea of communism in your question
fuck off tbqhwyf

Poorfag here, being willing to give up wealth just so other people have to give up more wealth is stupid whether you're rich or poor.


That's about as stupid as /r9k/'s "I haven't gotten laid yet so I never will" posts.
You'd be wealthier under communism. You are a prole.

If you know that you would prefer to be a doctor than to dig ditches, then why did you even bring up the red herring that you would just go dig ditches if the pay was the same.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

In communism everyone has unlimited access to the articles of consumption. So nobody would work for money as everything is already provided for.

if there was any evidence for that then I would entertain. I ask about incentives for the high skill specialists to support communism and you show me none, beside

Yep totaly possible under commies like you guys, top kek.

Making people's lives worse is usually not the reason people become a doctor. Usually they just want to help people.

Did I answer your original question, faggot?

Because they like the profession
Because being a doctor is a fulfilling job where you help people

I'm a medstudent as well

people usualy become doctors because their parents pushed them into it, I went because I got superb grades and thought "what the heck, let's try"

hey there gook

Parents aren't sociopaths where I live so, there's that

I thought that was Jew thing.

indian more likely

that's the reality of things or people just go into it for the money on their own idea, sucks to burst you bubble, but that's the truth.

M8
I'm in medschool
This isn't true

Doctors are smart, right? Well you should be smart enough to see there are better ways to get lodsafuckincash than being a doctor. Much better ways. Like owning British Petroleum, or Google.

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Doctors are relatively new too

I told you why I went to medschool, it wasn't for the moneys.


in the old days doctors/witchdoctors had great prestige, certainly more than nowadays you dunce

So you would have done it anyway in commieland

You'd think so, but never trust one's vocation as an indicator of their intelligence.

he is a surgeon, surgeons aren't real doctors, they have nearly zero medical knowledge besides cutting shit.

This post alone proves that you didn't go to fucking med school

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that's my observation

Most specialists are embarrassingly illiterate outside their own field.

I'm not sure exactly how prevalent it is now, but there's still strong pressure in East Asian families to try and achieve as prestigious a field as possible. I was dating a second generation Vietnamese immigrant and her family fit the stereotype to a T. She was a Nurse Practitioner, had to study the violin growing up, all that.

oxymoron :^)
Because you like helping people and your service is valued?

If you finished Med School to get more money, I don't want you to be my doctor.

Did you seriously look at all those videos of cadavers being stripped, babies being born, all those stressful interviewers with examiners, all those times studying until 3 in the morning, just for money?

You realise any medical related job in the current involves the most insane working hours and conditions right?

If so why didn't you study law or just go into a business early on and work your way up? You're a pretty dumb motherfucker.

did anyone actually believe him before tho?

why would I lie, you dumb fucker?

I gave him the benefit of a doubt, but claiming surgeons have no medical knowledge is the dumbest thing I've ever heard this week

"From each according his ability, to each according his contribution." Does that ring a bell?

By the way, why do you clean your dishes at home? For money?

Because, for someone fresh out of medschool you sound like a dumb teenager

Dog bless gabbidalism :DDDD.

Srsly, admit the fact that you are only in it for the money or the prestige. The last doctor I met was an asshole with a god complex because he was able to transplant a face or some shit and was relatively young, like early 30s.

I am studying to work in IT and am glad we have open access hackerspaces now where we can actually study and experiment with medical equipment, plus all of the info on the web putting faggots like you out of business. Anatomy/Physiology is a cinch for people who can memorize. As for pharmacy, as soon as we can start synthesizing our own drugs your ass is grass.

The one feature (for us, not for you) of capitalism is that it works like a horribly unbalanced engine, eventually shaking itself to pieces (boom and bust cycles/the gradual erosion of the collective customer base as more and more people become unable to afford goods for sale). Then as the economy crashes and businesses start folding because banks can no longer issue business credit, ==and have to sell their means of production==

We buy these and use them for our own purposes as members of hackerspaces. Thus communism is achievable, and you are a faggot.

The point is, there are enough people in these companies that make the stuff you use/prescribe that would rather have it free and openly used. You are simply another sanctioned gatekeeper and we will bypass you. Failing that, we will just go through you.

this is the worst meme

Medicine is degenerate hedonism

I studied for free on a public european uni, buddy


that's a real achievemnt you idiot

made me chuckle, you are delusional, med knowledge is one but serious experience is something else, you dunce, you can't just treat people using MD google. I never thought people can be this delusional KEK. Also people in the "enligthened" communism society will try to unify medicine and make is a single system because it works, no one will be stupid enough to leave medicine to the free market of home grown Anonymous-MD-hackers xD.


ask a surgeon how to treat pneumonia or flu, he will flush and will immediatly call for an internal doctor

because I'm not a useful idiot? commies can lure low skill workers with their fairy tales of crushing the wealthy, but not someone who has a brain.

This "why would I want to be a doctor if any old job gets the same rewards" meme is a spook. I'll get into why.

First of all I feel like anyone who says this is going into med school or law or business or maybe engineering because they think they will make money and that's about it. Speak for yourself fucko. Most of us want to do jobs we'll enjoy and find fulfilling, and many only do one of the ones I mentioned as a second resort because what they really want to do won't make money.

Secondly, and this is the part nobody likes to talk about, you may have gone to school for 8 years and learned to do things most people can't do and gained skill but your day to day job is probably less physically and mentally demanding than the ditch-diggers' or the janitors' or the bouncers'.

it's less demanding but a hell lot of more important, ditchdigger won't treat my stroke

because as a teenager you have any idea about that, after 10 years of school, KEK. Teenage mind is a spook.

Your point? Importance should have nothing to do with reward. Imagine if nobody handled our fucking garbage. Should that job get like NBA pay?

Keep reading fucko.

i'm sure someone would design a robot for that also I can drive to the dump myself

Most of our garbage goes through garbage treating plants of some kind. Know how to operate one of those babies? I'm not talking about fucking WM.

I don't care I leave it in the dump. Also everyone can learn how to process crap, not everyone can study hard for 10 years and become a specialist in medicine.

You're still missing the point you homogayniggerjew. Under communism people would do the job they admired as kids, and only the most cynical would become ditch-diggers or whatever. If anything we'd have a deficiency of the less glamorous jobs. The motivating factors in job choice are physical reward and emotional reward, and stripping the physical factor doesn't change the emotional factor.
Also, yes, Average Joe can become a doctor with enough money if he tried. Why are you still trying to justify you getting paid more for a much easier job just because it's "important" which has jack fucking shit to do with that? Your argument with college has nothing to do with the actual job.

Gb2 Holla Forums

I can only save your live, I'm clearly not important, eh? xD I'm sure the Party Aparatchiks would be more important in you paradise.

pol is a spook

You just want to hear me denounce Russia for some reason. Either that or you legitimately think large portions of the left still support Russia.
You may not realize this but almost no job is disposable. A lot of other jobs just vanishing would have the same effects or worse as doctors.

so you fuckers imply their would be no government and no party under >>>REAL

Different person, but the definition of communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. That's what it always was.

so it's anarchocapitalism without money?

damn. leftypol is the best shit to ever come out of a chan board. it's like people actually think sometimes

No. That's pretty ignorant of you to suggest

also who enforces laws in the country? who enforces borders if there is no state and army?

top kek, especially

i'd rather die than be saved by someone who's this much of a fucking cunt

ok, go cry bitch nigga

woah dude that one scorched off my fedora

fucking checked

There are no borders, faggot.


Quit talking out of your ass.

fucking double checked

oooookey dokey xD

the fuck do you need borders for? it's all the same planet. why are you even on this board

being the first to discover new things
being the first to write genetic code with synthetic codons
being the first to extend the human lifespan to over 150 years

exactly. it's like humanity just stops and dies once people aren't forced to make money to survive. come on folks

Your interest in being 'paid' better than a ditch digger under communism would be inherently less because you don't have to worry about basic needs being met in the same way. Your incentives to become a doctor are otherwise the same as they always were: your inherent interest in medicine, your desire to be able to save lives, your interest in being praised and respected pretty much universally for your work, the fact that people find doctors sexually appealing. So many aspects of your quality of life would be better than a ditch digger under communism without the idea of being 'paid' more coming into play. And I'm putting paid in scare quotes because it's not really clear what you mean by being paid more under communism.
Are you really saying you'd just fuck off and be a ditch digger without what you imagine as the reward of wealth? If your self-respect is that low, I feel sorry for you.
Also, why are you pretending to be a doctor just to serve up the old "why would anyone try to do anything difficult under communism" meme?


How did you make it through college and med school without ever reading a fucking book?

I don't read phantasy books :)

not pretending, you projecting fuck

money is love money is life i need it now

i don't know what country you're from where this shit is acceptable but i don't believe you're a med student and your country and its internet culture are shit

I find it quite suspicious how this ebin med student writes and acts like an angry 14 year old LARPer.

If you only read books that echo the viewpoints you had before reading them, you are setting yourself up to be a credulous idiot for life.


How can I be projecting if I'm not also claiming to be something impressive?

:D

You don't have to believe tbh, I had the answers I wanted and most of you are just petulant children butthurt that someone calls out their bullshit kiddy ideology.

you are projecting lying

I'm going to knock over your sandcastle and steal your crayons :^)

I'm not claiming anything about myself at all. There's nothing for me to be lying about. I don't think you understand what projection means.

so why do you say I'm lying?

yo fuck OPs sandcastle

Because you're a busy med student who has free time comparable to a young teen, as well as the spelling habits to go with it?

You don't have to lie here, bro :)

I finished med school and I have some free time before my internships. I thought I come by and ask some of you about your fairy tales, you don't have to believe me, respect from anonymous nobodies in the interwebz isn't essential to my existence. See ya.

also english isn't my first language

If you're not looking for respect, then why are you begging for it by roleplaying as a doctor?

Liar, liar, pants on fire :^)

Your entire affect and apparent lack knowledge (and respect for your surgeon colleges) is not indicative of someone who recently graduated med school. You would have enough validation in real life from your family and peers that you wouldn't feel the need to seek it out on image boards like this. You clearly aren't interested in engaging in an actual discussion.

Post high-res picture of diploma with time stamp or GTFO.

so you basically came here to embarrass yourself. congratulations

Poorfag here, perusing a job you hate to make money is one of the worst things you can do.

Just because you don't have hopes and dreams, doesn't mean someone should give up theirs to become a cog in the capitalist machine.

I'm confused though, going by the LTV wouldn't a medical profession be inherently worth more money than a ditch digger because of all the time in school that is directly related to the labour you do.

It would be, but our LARPer can't read.

what is ltv

So why is everyone in the thread going "Who cares if you wouldn't get paid more?", if we're using the LTV the doctor should be rewarded more luxury items if anything. I don't remember where Marx said that hard work should be rewarded the same as the bare minimum.


The Labour Theory of Value.

I suppose most of the thread is butthurt trolls who don't want to engage in a serious discussion since I stated I don't realy believe in communism, first it was
now it's

if someone is a doctor because they want 'luxury items' then they are a shit fucking doctor and i don't want them anywhere near me

What happened to this OP. You aren't trying to have a serious discussion. You're here to pretend to be a doctor, and parrot right wing memes about the left.


By whom? I assume individuals will reward them in various ways for being a good doctor but this doesn't seem to be what you mean.

No, it's because you came in here already being opposed to communism and you have absolutely no idea what it is. Then you go start another thread about how NK is true communism. You're a retard.


Receive more labour vouchers :^)


A lot of people go into medicine/dentistry/law to make money. You've probably been checked out by one.

mate we talked about this extensively. have you even read the thread

i'm not saying i haven't been checked out by a money doctor i'm saying it's a shit healthcare system

which OP is clearly apart of

I don't think there are any "communist" countries worth moving to at the moment.

Anyway, unless we're talking about future post-scarcity communism, you would have your basic necessities provided for but your income would be determined by the market value of your job. If ditch digging is less appealing than the medical profession (which you certainly seem to think it is), then it will be more highly paid. Nobody would be forced to work to survive, so you'll have to pay people what their time and effort is really worth to them.

not really, because in the "old days" they had about as much chance of killing you as helping you

if you were analogous to what we now call a doctor, you were what people went to when folk-knowledge failed. You were the last resort because it was either rub spiderwebs in the hole and see what happens or die anyway.

hell, even into the 20th centuries doctors were as much quacks as actual "doctors." anyone could open a college and call it a "medical school" and hand out diplomas. it wasn't until the 20s iirc that courses and requirements were standardized, accreditation implemented, etc.


there is no reason for a doctor to be socially superior to someone that digs ditches

Yeah, whenever anybody comes here to argue in bad faith they always get wrecked but dance around like they won anyway. It's kind of cute or sad.

ask an internal doctor to remove a tumor from the back of a child's brain, he will probably look confused for a second and go get the surgeon. cause that's how the speciality of medicine works

500 replies later, tell me if you received any good answer beside the usual moralistic bullshit, I'm interested. leftypol always gets BTFO by this type of questions.

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congrats, you just described communism and why it always fails. wanting to become someone does not mean becoming that someone will make you good at your job. I'd rather get a surgery in a capitalistic country than in a communist one.

Kill yourself

why should I do it when your red guards will do it anyway?

pls fuck off kindly
i didn't grow up in poverty, my dad slaving away in the US military and then pull myself out of poverty to be told "you came from wealth"

ayyy lmao

Hahahahahahahaha

You will find that in a socialist environment where education is a choice and not an opportunity, the difference between you and the ditch digger is much lesser.
Then again

Yeah this is likely some kind of shill sprinkling keywords on a trollpost, intention unknown, but zero content nonetheless

I don't deny they have surgical skills, they are just inept in day to day diseases, which for me is embrassing.


the anarchocommunism bullshit they try to sell me realy reeks of anarchocapitalist kiddies, I'm not joking.


I'm at loss of words

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you're looking for Holla Forums where they hunt people for their identities and how those identities interact with the world

The irony, of course, is that–unlike OP–people who actually went to medschool actually did so for non-financial reasons. Sometimes out of altruism and more often out of narcissism (physicians are God, it is they who bestoy the honor on the word "Doctor" that other doctorates leech off of).
And the reason real doctors are drained and planning to bail on the profession is capitalism, specifically disatisfaction with the corporate beureacracy and its demands for CT scans every damn time and other unneeded but profitable tests.

The petty, stupid "rewards" of capitalism to its better paid workers are still a poor substitute for autonomy, especially when your autonomy means getting to decide who lives and who dies.

Infant mortality has actually gone up in the US since 2008, by something like 17%

DOIN' FINE :^)

10/10 rekt

People in Venezuela are crying at the sight of food. Waiting at the public store is a full-time job.
Marx had it backwards, socialism leads to capitalism.

nice meme bucko

Parents are the same tbh
t.other poorfag

In non-socialist countries with corrupt regimes (most of them started as socialist takeovers) they don't give you a flipbook full of wallpaper and make you stand in line for 10 hours. And if you manage to plant vegetables on your land the government doesn't take away your guns.

Read Apo

I'm not from murrica, so try harder to offend my shittalking some country, works realy well!


lefty politics are based totaly on identity, try to diss feminism and how support for leftism plummets also countles idpol shitstorms here confirm that.


but remember it isn't real Le Communisn(tm) because reasons!


biggest starvation is in the most socialist countries. In free market Europe there is no starvation, just sayin


that is?


what do you mean autonomy? without a lot of experience your title is pretty much worthless, you need hierarchy so you don't easily do harm to your clients.

So how much leftist literature have you read bud?

How many of these socialist countries that underwent mass starvation were industrialized? Something pointed out by Stalinstache in a threat to me is that if Stalin had not taken the measures to industrialize(which led to famine), the USSR wouldn't of had the power to take on Nazi Germany.

Dude by the time we get communism this won't be required, I agree some sort of hierarchy to check your able to operate on someone would be required until then.

So people had to starve so Stalin can fulfill his imperialistic dreams?

so you say under communism there will be a free market and no one will supervise medical doctors? neat!

Unless you are truly an Issac Newton chances are any Joe Schmo could replace you in a heart beat. Most STEM jobs are something that anyone could do, but chose not to out of not being interested or not having the money to go to school for it. Webm related.

deal with it, people aren't equal, some people can get quantum mechanics and genetics others are destined to dig ditches, Mr Lysenko.

You are a fucking idiot. At the very least, it would require a successful comprehensive and mandatory STEM education for the masses for that to hold true. Something which does not hold true today in most advanced economies.

Wow did you fucks even read my post.


"Unless you are truly an Issac Newton"


"Most STEM jobs are something that anyone could do, but chose not to out of not being interested or not having the money to go to school for it"