Right-wing/WN critiques of capitalism and the free market

Could anyone recommend me some good critiques of capitalism? Usury and the banking system are one thing, but I also feel like capitalism has been used to further a number of Marxist agendas (e.g. feminism, open borders, "diversity"), whether intentionally or not.

Women were deliberately pushed into the workforce to lower white birth rates, but it also helped to push down wages, which was profitable for companies. The welfare system has been set up in such a way that it transfers the wealth of white men to single mothers and non-whites, who spend more of their money on worthless frivolities. Then there's immigrant labor (both skilled and non-skilled), which companies like Apple, Facebook and Microsoft lobby for because they want to make a bigger profit.

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theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick
archive.is/ev2WN
michael-hudson.com
archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation
businessdictionary.com/definition/private-property.html
investopedia.com/ask/answers/040615/how-are-capitalism-and-private-property-related.asp
mises.org/library/private-property
zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/getting-bed-government
michaeljournal.org/capitalism.htm
don-colacho.blogspot.com/
debateolavodugin.blogspot.com/2011/04/r2-olavo-de-carvalho.html
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Jesus fucking Christ.

So? The United States government has been used to further those same things. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS FAULTY. It means that our treason laws just aren’t being used.

The memes are practically writing themselves at this point.

No

Read Kaczynski's "System's Neatest Trick." Here are some relevant passages:


theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick
archive.is/ev2WN

Reminder that the current system is a mixed market, not capitalism. You can't have capitalism when you have a central bank, just like you can't have communism and free enterprise. They are mutually exclusive.

If you are going to critique capitalism, keep your arguments limited to the period before 1913 in the US, and preferably after the end of Reconstruction (slavery is also mutually exclusive with the free market).

There are tons.

You do realize that is literally "no true communism" but for burger, right?

Are you saying real capitalism hasn't been tried yet?

What? We still wasting wealth created in 19th century by capitalism and free (at least partialy) market.

Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium is good.

That is capitalism. The advanced form of capitalism after capitalist rent seeking has been successful and they gained greater control of the state. Rent seeking is inherent to capitalism, so you cannot just say that results of rent seeking in laissez faire conditions are not capitalism.

This guy understands it

Morons. He explicitly says before 1913 the US was a capitalist country so critique that. And slavery is also anti capitalist because you are forcing another man to work for your own sake rather than work for his own.

You're an idiot. "Capitalism" did not create wealth of the 19th century retard.

No he doesn't. He acts as if capitalism is some platonic form rather than a process under real life conditions. Capitalism is a process with a lifetime, comparable to rise and fall of civilizations.

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by your logic if communism was the dominant system during industrialization we would have communism to thank. Capitalism is failing since its primary motivation (profit), doesn't spread the wealth well when profit gains are only made through technological advancements and the workers don't own the means of production.

How do you explain the massive superpowers of the US and British empires emerging? Was the massive industrialization driven by worker's unions?

The British empire was basically built upon trade and commerce.


He does. I don't think its coincidence that when the overall culture of America was stronger and less diverse capitalism ran better. I don't think it's a coincidence that Congress got lazy and decided to abdicate their precedence in handling the nation's currency when America was at her peak and became lazy.

I just want a free(r) market without corps checking me.

Lean mixed Economics is best.

I'm going to shill Michael Hudson, he has a blog michael-hudson.com and has written a number of books.

Capitalism is the superior economic system but you can't run a society on economics alone. You need among other things, something to supply a moral system. We used to get morals from religion (greed is one of the great sins, remember) but now our religion is progressivisim.

You serious nigger?

I don't have enough money and its your fault!

Excellent suggestions. Thanks, user.

I think all of Holla Forums agrees slavery is shit for many reasons. Why there are so many blacks here in the first place? This was one of the main objections the founders had the slavery.


Wtf is this? There is a good reason communism never succeeded in the West and that's because men of the west always believed in the idea of self greatness. That an individual can be great. Communism is the system that stifles that.

Rather profits DRIVE technological advancement. New technologies are introduced to gleen a greater profit. Whether technology is good or bad for human civilization is a completely different question.

Full retard. You know all those SJW faggots you hate that always complain about how much they "need" hormone replacement therapy? Guess who's salary that will come out of?


This is another smart answer. Capitalism does not give a shit about your morals. The weak will always be shat upon by the strong that is the way of nature. The only thing you can do is have a system of noblesse oblige where the upper echelons of society show by example how to achieve greatness and treat the hard workers with respect.

In diversitopia this disappears of course.

Calling people lazy doesn't solve the problem of technology replacing workers. Once we have driverless semis we lose a huge part of the labor market. What if the jews control late stage capiralism? A shitty UBI isn't enough.

archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

Here, OP.
The problem isn't really capitalism, but the fact that (((They))) control all of the world's banks and most of its big corporations.

Capitalism is a moral system, retard.

Capitalism would be fine if it wasn't for the jews and usury.

USA: huge continent of untapped resources and good genetic stock

British: military conquest and good genetic stock

Neither had anything to do with capitalism. Capitalism actually destroyed both of these nations.

No he doesn't, for the reasons I gave and you failed to refute.

Back to >>>Holla Forums moron.

How did Britain effect military conquest?

By taking a portion of production/trade. The system that creates the most production and trade is capitalism. This, the more capitalist a nation, the more powerful the nation, and it bootstraps. The fact that we have strayed from capitalism and free markets is manifest in our reduced standing in the world. The US has become a hollowed out paper tiger under the rule of the jewish central planning of the jewish central bank.

businessdictionary.com/definition/private-property.html

investopedia.com/ask/answers/040615/how-are-capitalism-and-private-property-related.asp


mises.org/library/private-property


It is the key component of capitalism, you fucking mongoloid.

Is feudalism capitalism, then? No it isn't. Not even marx was retarded enough to claim that.

You didn't even know what private property entailed and now you're going to pretend to know what feudalism is? Fuck off, dipshit

It's threads like these that prove that most of Holla Forums are basically socialist NEETs who hate non-whites and virtue-signal about muh degeneracy despite being degenerates yourselves.

Lots of non-capitalist systems have greater or lesser degrees of private property protections.

The greater the protection of private property, the freer the market. The freer the market, the more growth you have. The more growth you have, the more military and political power you can muster.

This really isn't rocket science.

No it isn't. And if we go by the definition here then they weren't even capitalist anyway.

But then we have uneducated mises quoting morons like claiming that any system with private property is capitalism.

Just like their commie cousins, supporters of capitalism use these slippery definitions to push their Jewish ideology. When something good comes of it, then it is because of capitalism/communism. When something bad results, then it is because it isn't really True Capitalism/Communism because it has never been tried. This way you get to claim all benefits for your own Jewish ideology, while passing the blame for its failures elsewhere.

Neither is knowing the US is a capitalist country but you'll still deny it.

It seems to be the prevailing opinion socialism is only okay if you use the national prefix otherwise its just Marxism

The whole current economical and social system is planned from start to finish.

The whole financial system is planned to implode when (((they))) want it.Interest rates are a political tool. High taxes on small companies keep monopolies of 5 major multinationals basically over all industries.
The whole health industry is made to make people sick and obedient.
MSM, media and everything related to entertainment is basically a propaganda arm of the global NWO.
The patent industry stifles progress in levels you wouldn't even fucking believe. Tip: UFO's aren't ayys.
Religion is starting to become universal in general, thanks to the jesuit pope, Saudi imams and other NWO sponsored religions. Read buddhist text and compare it to the form it is presented in the West.
The political system and events are planned in 10 year cycles, just like the Soviet 5 year plans since it's done by the same group. 2001-2010 was the seeding of Chaos. 2011-2020 is supposedly the sowing Hillary was supposed to cause WW3. 2021-2030 is synthesis. Hegelian dialectic. let's just hope Trump was not planned
The environmental propaganda is faked. The Sun is going into low power mode, ergo little Ice Age. (((They))) know that. But it is useful since Africa will migrate to Europe and America for food. 1 billion.

Wake up and smell the ashes. We are living in 50% 1984, 40% BNW, 10% Fahrenheit.
The only thing that can save us from a complete loosh farm mode is the internet and brave meme magicians fighting one meme at a time

But capitalism, by its nature, permits jews to infiltrate, participate, and eventually dominate if they possess the capital.

I quoted that garbage site to further drive the message home for you.

I was thinking they show how libertardians and capitalist apologists have the same exact worldview as their communist cousins.


Bullshit, of course. You would say Canada had more political and military power than the USSR because it was capitalist? Very retarded statement that could only have come from historical illiteracy and dogmatist capitalism apologetics.

The only critique of capitalism is that free market extends across borders.

This is a jewish invention.

Free market was originally meant to be free national INTERNAL market.

Well your point is wrong. Capitalism is a specific political-economic system, based on specific philosophy.

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Capitalism works better the closer you get to the ideal. Communism works worse the closer you get to the "ideal". "Saying "true capitalism has never been tried" is pointless, because those societies that got close to it prospered. The US went from agrarian backwater to industrial superpower in a half a century.

You want to bath in ignorance of economics I have just the board for you
Holla Forums. The Natsocs on here are just as economically illiterate as the socialists on Holla Forums. Socialism is just a trick to make you think that you can steal forever without consequences. Its a disgenic system that rewards those who pledge allegiance to the state while stealing from those who provide value until there is no more value to provide and expansion is necessary to maintain the system.

Germany didn't invade Europe because of their perceived superiority. Germany invaded the rest of Europe to maintain the illusion of validity of its economic system. If they had won the war, Germany would have collapsed. Nazi are not that different from commies, and nazis hate that fact.

If you want an example of socialism that will teach you everything you need to know take a look at the economic situation in Venezuela.


Although this is the exact same argument commies use to justify why their communist utopia has never been achieved there is a difference between the statement "true Capitalism has never been tried" and "true communism has never been tried"

True communism has been tried…many times and every time it is tried it fails miserably. The problem of the commons is apparent where ever there is shared property. Lack of incentive to improve and the free rider issue persists as long as a system that rewards "equally" is present. Communism is a conceptually flawed system and is inherently unsustainable.

Where ever capitalism has been tried it has been successful in proportion to the size of the state. Larger state less favorable results as capital is siphoned more and more to pay for a larger and larger state. As the state grows people loose their incentive to produce beyond what is necessary as any excess capital is removed to build the state. common resources fall into disrepair and the state moves more and more towards a socialist/communist system. A capitalist system with the smallest state will produce the highest return while creating an environment where the state can grow eventually crashing the economy with no survivors.

A capitalist system without a state produces the wealth without the drain and looming threat of an over arching state. It is a eugenic system where only the ones who produce value carry on there genes and parasites are eliminated over time due to poor mating pool access.

Stateless capitalism has been tried in a few places in history(vid related) and has been successful until the territory is conquered by a state. This is why economically I am an ancap but politically I am an ethno-nationalist.

We can argue the validity of our economics systems after we have eliminated the jews and shit skins.

The love for socialism comes from a nostalgic feel for Hitler and nazi Germany not as a result of the economic feasibility and sustainability of the national socialist system. Don't get me wrong I love Hitler I just think he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about when I came to economics.

It took two years for Hitler's Germany to recover from WWI and nearly conquer the civilized world. All thanks to banning jobs in finance that rob people's savings with lies about compounding interest.

Therefore no capitalism.

Thanks for playing.

The US economy is centrally planned. The price of money, the foundation of capitalism, is set by a committee of jews at the Fed.

And Germany went from debt-burdened, war-ravaged cesspool of cross dressing, faggotry, drug addiction, and destitution to a superpower in less than a decade by explicitly rejecting capitalism.

The Soviet Union's level of industrialization was right in line with what the US pulled off, possibly greater. They just ran out of oil money in the 80s.

Literally doesn't fucking exist.

Canada was more powerful. The USSR collapsed, remember? Collapsed governments are the polar opposite of powerful ones.

The kikes and patsies who took their duped populations to war to crush Germany's economic system sure thought he knew what the fuck he was talking about.

Problem is that this inevitably leads to the former. You cannot just look at capitalism as if it is some pure platonic form. That is the same thing "communism has never been tried" goons do. It can only be truly understood as a process, deriving from a specific philosophy (liberal philosophy).

They went from an industrialized society to a welfare/warfare bubble state that was destroyed before it could collapse on its own.

The US is doing today what Nazi Germany did. Pretending to produce growth by forcing the people to devour the seed corn.

Well you sure convinced me.

Because there's no social contract or loyalty amongst the people, it's all in the name of the free-market and capitalism, not thinking about how it hurts your own people.

Name a better system.

And filtered.

The people in the US circa 1900 had no loyalty among the people?

Did I hurt your feelings, little boy?

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Always beware of kikes and conservatives who falsely believe they are in welcome company here spreading their subversive and usurious agitprop. They always get around to impotently decrying the NSDAP that they and their forefathers instigated a war against.

Under capitalism, as it's practiced in the legal framework of any Western nation, a corporation has no loyalty but to its stockholders. There is no obligation to the nation or its people.

So if a company can make some money in a way that helps the nation but can make more money doing something that hurts the nation, it will choose the latter every time. Want to sell huge swathes of real estate to the Chinese? Contaminate the drinking water? Go for it! Anything goes as long as it raises the stock price. The only things they have to fear are bad PR (good luck going up against the (((media))) with that) and fines (who cares when you own the (((government)))).

Corporations are chartered by the state and their stockholders are granted exemption from personal liability for business decisions by the state. In return for this consideration, businesses must owe an equal obligation to the nation as to their shareholders. Otherwise they're nothing but tumors on the body politic.

It goes without saying that because enterprises are part of the health of the nation, (((some people))) should be prohibited from owning stock entirely.

Germany released a spring of economically suppressed Germans then took advantage of its peoples desperation for freedom to fuel a very temporary economic boost. The German people are also some of the most if not the most intelligent and capable people in the world and NEVER had an economically sustainable system that existed without expansion and confiscation of foreign resources. They burgled their way across Europe and their delusional belief in the invincibility and superiority of the Germans lead them to fight two fronts at once an loose the war. Socialism is what lead to Germany's collapse.

Seriously why the fuck is Venezuela in the shit storm they are in? Not true socialism? Are they not white so are immune to natural human tendencies? Does socialism just work for white people some how?

Just like I said.

You must be joking.

Germany invaded the rest of Europe because international banking cartels were mad that they had decoupled themselves from the parasitic system of debt based currency and kikes fomented war against them by pulling strings in America and Britain. You are an economically illiterate faggot who doesn't even understand how our current monetary and banking system works or how to escape it. Nationalized debt-free labor backed currency is one of the few things the state should be in charge of. Hitler did make a few mistakes with price controls and such but with all the economic growth unleashed from kicking out the parasites it hardly made a dent in their economy. The "nazi germany was a warfare bubble economy" is a kike meme and you fell for it.

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You act like capitalism doesn't go through real word effects and that if so it automatically ceases to be capitalism. I swear you faggots are the same as the communists, two sides of the same shekel. Capitalism has always needed the state to protect it.

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Yeah…We should probably just be communists tbh

Great response there faggot don't address any of the economic points I made just reference my personal opinion. I hate swinging right but when retards like you try to enter a conversation amongst adults you make everyone look bad. Just shut the fuck up and go larp some more. I fucking love the nazi ascetic I just hate when you economically illiterate faggots feel you need to throw your very little weight around and get shot down every time. The more Holla Forums changes the more it stays the same.

No. Hitler was a great man, but he was in an impossible position. He didn't have the time to let a capitalist economy grow naturally, and did the best he could before the English attempted to wipe his people off the face of the Earth. Keynesian bubbles do produce high growth, but you have to face facts–they are not sustainable, and will collapse eventually.

Franco had effectively the same economic policy, and it lead to zero/negative growth for decades after the civil war, until the Pope intervened and forced capitalist reforms. Then the people stopped dying of starvation.

Spain should be as powerful as England or France. But it isn't, because of decades of lost growth under Franco.


You think a collapsed country is more militarily powerful than a non-collapsed one?

Do you really think that Canada couldn't have built a massive nuclear program if it had needed to?

Capitalism doesn't NECESSITATE a powerful military, but it does ENABLE one.

Left uncleaned, a car will eventually cease being clean and become dirty. Effort is required to keep it clean. Same with capitalism. The government is the source of the erosion of capitalism. They are always the ones putting in more regulations, creating law codes that fill libraries, and confiscating more and more money. They are the ones that grant special privileges to jews, allowing them to create central banks.

You like government because you want its power for yourself, failing to recognize that you were always the one with the power. You just have to stop allowing the jew to usurp it.

a lot of writers have blogs and write a number of books, are his books accurate or just shit he pulled outta his ass?

IIRC it was not a rejection, it was a social doctrine. Class reconciliation; something Americans might want to look into these days in spite of any historical baggage attached.


To be fair, it is practically impossible to consider the economic merits of a state mobilized for total war.

lel and lel

All the more so when retards like you can dress up ideology as factual criticism and think you're in good company. If you want to be taken seriously, you've gotta back up claims like

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It is necessary but not sufficient for a definition of capitalism. All of your supplied definitions (from biased capitalist sources btw) are insufficient definitions.

No user, you're the dumby

You did not offer any proof for your assertions, merely regurgitating the kike meme of "le nazi kleptocrat bubble economy" and insisting that Germany "invaded Europe" when the war was started by the same (((rootless international clique))) responsible for stabbing Germany in the back to begin with. Hitler submitted dozens of different peace offers and tried to negotiate peace when Britian was agitating for war. You also forget that bubbles are only due to prices diverging massively from market fundamentals for a sustained period of time, this is only possible because bankers can artificially expand and contract the money supply at will and engineer such cycles to begin with. There is nothing natural about the business cycle or economic bubbles whatsoever, and without fractional reserve banking and privately owned debt based currency they simply do not happen. Go ahead and repeat the forced kike meme of the "kenysian war bubble" if it makes you feel better.

This looks like a lefty/pol/ shill thread. This focus on materialism is pure (((marxist))) garbage.

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There literally isn't one. Everyone ITT is arguing against strawmen rather presenting and critiquing objective and available economic data from NSDAP Germany and looking at established doctrine from Feder and so on, and then looking at how much was actually implemented and what effect it had.

Think I know which one I like

All I'm seeing is a lot of bitching but no solutions.

So does communism though. Much of Soviet military tech was superior to American (American btw was not in any way due to "free market" either, unless you believe bell labs and MIC are free market).

OP I feel for you, but that credit card debt is your own fucking fault. Pay it off and get on with your life.

Another larper not addressing ANY of my points about economics and instead focusing on their obsessive knowledge of a failed system.

Just listen to yourself

So Germanys invasion of other countries was caused by other people? First you guys are hailing the validity of national socialism then you are making claims that it cant work without invading and taking out the kikes in OTHER COUNTRIES. Do you not see that you cant have both it cant be economically sustainable and need to be expansionary at the same time retard.

You call me economically illertate while denouncing interest rates…Fuck you guys are in way over your head. Does time preference not exist? Why would I allow someone to consume my resources without any profit to myself? Inflation also doesn't exist in your mind I suppose. So hey can I borrow 1000 bucks from you and pay you back in 2026? If you think such a system is ideal for a state why wont you embrace it yourself?

Feder didn't provide anything other than a verbose polemic against debt-slavery. There's nothing in there that can be drawn upon unless you wan't to translate German into mathematical logic symbols, akin to rendering Shakespeare into Inuktitut


This is apparently Eskimo for "carrion bird poison pen letter"

i like the part you pulled but there is an awful lot of meandering bullshit in the rest of his writings. a true academic.

Just one solution.
Just one better system.
Just one post that isn't just criticizing without providing anything to replace it.

Literally just one of you do this so I can go to sleep.

Is this what retardation looks like?

I'm jumping on here without reading any of the other thread.

I just wanted to pop in and let you know Germany was attempting to reclaim territory lost in WW1 and didn't invade poland until after russia did the same and no one cared. They did not want another Great War, and used Russia to see if anyone would care if they got back some clay.

They were wrong, as Europe's hate of Germany was greater than their hate of Russia

Can anyone just confirm if that user indeed gets it? It isn't clear and the suspense is fucking killing me.

That's ridiculous, you're asking for an infallible incorruptible system. Such a thing does not exist. Because systems are run by people, and people are fallible and corruptible.

It just looks like a bunch of newfag to me.

So now you're claiming capitalism is not sustainable? Beginning to sound like Karl Marx in here.

this is literally the only topic of universal interest worth discussing. there is absolutely no argument that can be made to justify their existence. must be a coincidence you are getting shilled the fuck out in this thread.

We are all sinners. +1 for cultural Christianity

you are already asleep my friend

You wouldn't. But it is irrelevant because the state should be the only legal lender, and state does not need to charge interest because it creates the currency.

The point is though to get the doctrine you're criticising, even if Feder was sidelined for Hjalmar Schaht, an extremely orthodox economist, because most of the NatSocs here seem to subscribe to his views - as Hitler had none of economics. A lot like how they flock to either Positive Christianity or hardcore Catholicism because Hitler had no religious views as a matter of doctrine either.

What do the words "key component" mean to you user? To me it means it is an absolute necessity, but implies there are other pieces to the puzzle

Therefore no capitalism.

Oh for fuck's sake!


The only pro capitalist source i used was Mises and as shit as they are they're not wrong especially with the quote i keep repeating from them. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but you still seem to be under the impression that i'm somehow defending capitalism.

Well he is technically shilling for the same thing.

pretty sure "international jewry" declared on hitler first right? based off policy of decoupling from international finance. if all those newspaper headlines were actually printed.

Cute little analogy and all but that still doesn't make the US not capitalist.


Government is but a means to an end.

Some are far better than others in this regard, however. Capitalism is one of the worst, since its selection process for "who gets to be in control" is based solely on ability to make money. Ability to make money tends to be inversely proportional to virtue in a man, so it is one of the worst procedures possible.

They just literally have these threads on Holla Forums and it's the same shit. Nobody provides any solutions just bitching.

Projection doesn't just apply to leftys.


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There is a mountain of evidence to support the claim that socialism is NOT an economically viable financial system. Like I said in my first post see Venezuela. Mathematics do not change when you change the color of the skin of the person practicing them. Socialism has failed EVERYWHERE it has been tried and putting white people at the helm wont change the fact that you are trying to steal your way to success.

I don't need to provide examples just like I don't need to provide examples of why 5+5=10. This is why logic exists. Its time for you to explain to me why you think socialism works when you are white? Does theft turn into donation at that point? Does human nature, incentives and scarcity fundamentally change when a white man takes control?

Now i'm sure they cum on the burger and call it spicy.

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Yes, it is necessary but not sufficient. Capitalism implies private property, but private property does not imply capitalism. So they are not equivalent, as you presented them.

No, the others are as well.

Every system allows that. Look at Jews and Communisim. This is because Jews are parasites.

Thats not at all what I said, nigger, kikes and NWO were threatened by a sustainable Autarkic Germany that had completely decoupled itself from the international banking cartel and retaliated by agitating for war, and eventually Germany had to retaliate for its defense in a war not of its own making.


When each and every dollar in circulation has interest to be paid on it, there will be more debt than money to service the debt at any given time, it has nothing to do with "time preference" and is a completely administered price by central bank kikes. The only thing possible in that kind of system is constant expansion to feed more and more time, energy, and wealth to the kike parasites until the entire monetary system collapses which will likely be used as a pretext for NWO. The fact that you are conflating central bank racketeering with "time preference" and other irrelelvant things (interest rates have literally nothing to do with actual time preference and are controlled by the Fed) shows that you need to stop posting.

False.

Libertardians are literally incapable of understanding this, user. You are wasting your time.

Why do you conceive of socialism as a system? It is a tool among many in economics!
The reason Obamacare failed was because it was federal, only a state (as in united STATES) intertwined with its own economic processes would be able to ascertain what exactly a sound public health policy consists of, not some Mandarin enclave far removed from the reality.

ITT:

Shouldn't you be getting ready for Hanukkah?

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But user
True socialism has never been tried

Those comics and I apologize for using that word are so bad, I'm still not sure if they're a false flag or not.
Either way

I don't think so, I used to be a big libertarian Austrian shill until I watched money masters and read

Pic related.

I learned that it was a red herring/controlled opposition psyop to distract from the inherent problems of our monetary system. But with the "hitler was socialism lol real economics guize" faggot ITT he seems to repeat the same drivel and is generally a dense cunt so I am not gonna bother even though a lot of libertarians are just a small step away from full redpill and 1488.

Yes, true capitalism has never been tried either. And depending on who you ask, theh are responsible for everything good in the world too, even though neither has been tried.

….man this is why I mostly lurk. Where does the value of that currency come from fuck head? Why is it that the banks are evil money grubbing kikes who will steal from you while the state is a perfect, truthful, honest entity that would never deceive you but also has the ability to kill you at a whim?

Politicians never lie silly! Corruption is not rampant in government and absolute power NEVER corrupts absolutely!

This is how you sound. We are reaching levels of delusion that shouldn't even be possible!

So the state is going to lend out money at 0% interest rate? What incentive would I ever have for paying the state back? I am in fact more incentivised to hold off paying the state as long as I can as inflation still exists and I will be paying(value wise) much less than I had borrowed. The state lets money out without any incentive for it to be paid back. the lack of scarcity reduces the value of the money and hyper inflation takes over.

As a wrench it tightens the bolts of the machine of a fertile market of a sovereign state

Please stop nigger. As triggered as you are over economics, you're also making baseless historical claims that only undermine your own points.

Prove

Jews don't have any influence in North Korea. They don't hold any sway in Iran – and Iran actually has a not-insignificant number of jews living in its borders. The USSR had its moments with jews, especially in the last couple of decades. Venezuela eventually started going directly after jews after continued attacks from the CIA-backed "right" [who conveniently would align themselves with the fags, traps, social degenerates we associate with the "left"] in that country and saw quite a lot of consolidation after they did so.

Historically it's also cropped up in "capitalist" societies at times. The King of France banning jews from owning slaves in his colonies. General Grant ordering expulsion orders against jews during the Southern occupation. The many instances of confinement, banishment, and expulsion from the Russian state – which I'm sure is where the carry-over into Soviet times came from.

Well, I guess it depends on the level of autism in the libertarian. The severely autistic (90% of libertarians and 99% of ancaps) cannot understand it.

There is no capitalism without private ownership, you god damn autist, hence why i brought it up from the start. It's clear as day to anyone not mentally retarded that we don't operate under feudalism in modern times, it literally goes without saying. Only an autist would incessantly harp on over such mind-numbing platitudes like you have.

And filtered.

Lefty/pol/ (((marxist))) neckbeard shill confirmed

This is the kind of cretin who thinks Fidel Castro was a nationalist.

Are you retarded?

Just like all other systems, including fascism.

Again…It's all bitching with no solutions

I'd say there is no argument against capitalism because the term itself is almost completley meaningless. It is a construction of kikes created for the purpose of fucking with western civilization.

Capitalism is just a term slapped on a bunch of behaviors which accrue "capital" this doesn't have to be just hard currency or financial assets which kikes hold dear. It's interesting that the despite their central position in Marxist thought kikes(liberals as well) are allergic to the means of production. Farms, land, skilled laborers, factories, ect are all anthema to them and were abandoned in favor of faggots, pozz, and "vocations" which don't produce material productions ie vocations which can be used to rent-seek off the public dole without any tangible means to determine if the kikes, muds, and women holding those positions are actually producing anything of worth for society. The leftist whether jew, pussy, or mudman loves the idea that he cannot be measured by his produce hence their love of service jobs and media opposed to agriculture, manufacturing, resource extraction, or STEM fields.

White nationalism and for that matter all traditional white social/political behavior is about acruing capital. But being whites what they considered "capital" differed vastly from what rootless kike parasites consider capital. And kikes have come to define all academic terms so it is no wonder that "capitalism" is seen as kikey.

Children are useful, land is useful, mineral resources are useful, a state which ensures the survival of your family line is useful, a military to defend your nation's interests is useful, accrued knowledge is useful, socially conservative institutions which support adeptive behavior such as religion are useful, laws which preference your people over others and make you strong at their expense are useful, common interest in the popualtion which makes the nation cooperate even if there is no touchy feely volk political system are useful. All these things should be considered capital. Because really what it is all about at the end of the day is propagation and survival over all else. The nation and the races are means by which your individual family line interbreed with other good stock producing generations of fit organisms who then produce yet more indefinately. That is what it is all about. That is why race really matters, not only are a few races intelligent and capable of maintaining a civilization but only your race is good breeding stock(happas have shitty health). And the nation which supports your race and family is a vehicle for the perpetuation of your blood. Those who are naturally predisposed to adaptive behavior(white conservatives) are vastly outbreeding white liberals and kikes, hence their need to import muds, but why not also enforce a religion which enhances those adaptive behaviors though indoctrination and a promise of an afterlife only for those who are adaptive. Same thing with society and politics, the weak and to be hated and shunned and the strong indoctrinated to make them still stronger.

And pretty much everything that liberals hold dear is useless or maladaptive, their ideals are a parasite which kills the host society because it isn't interested in survival. It is infact opposed to survival it is a cult of slow suicide. It wants pleasure today and celebrates the destruction of tomorrow while ironically claiming it holds the keys to a future utopia.

The real philosophical tenet of all traditional/conservative/rightist though is "survival at all costs". I spit in the face of happiness. I piss on the grave of "fulfill". Those are the goals of the weak, the leftist, the diseased.

Fill your hearts with hate, put children and survival over all else and see things in that context. Once you do that everything its put in the clear black and white, good for you and bad for you. Nothing else matters.

From its utility in trade, utility as the sole source of credit, and ultimately from its necessity in paying taxes. That is what a fiat currency is, and we already have it. Where does the value of any currency come from? From its utility, same as how anything has value.

yeah i was just over there lurking and i was like did i even leave? controlled pens of phony discussion.

Gotta go with BK, it also tastes a lot better and is cheaper too.

The only reason Marxs hung around factories cause at home he was always asked and almost forced to do actual work for his parasite victim. He was the first modern day LARPER. "Factories" plural, cause he was kicked out and fired almost instantly at each job.

NEVER TRIED THOUGH

Corruption is rampant because we live in a plutocracy, moron. We would not have "politicians" with no skin in the game who are selected solely for their ability to facilitate graft for the plutocratic class. We would have leaders with skin in the game and selected through tests for virtue.

Interest does not give incentive to pay anything back, retard. And if the state is the lender, they can obviously punish you in other ways for failure to pay.

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BKB! Hiyeaaah!

anyone else from Osaka?

Sadly it's one of his saner comics

But there is private ownership without capitalism. What I have been saying the entire time.

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Communism in east europe was successful in the 60s-70s. Then as the Cultural Marxists that ran from Europe established better and infiltrated USA, they began their sabotage of the Soviet Union to eventually destroy that system and provide the milked western countries with cheap labor.

Correct.

GERMANY MADE THE FIRST MOVE FUCKHEAD! Are you claiming that the Germans were incited to war? Are you implying that Germany couldn't survive without waging a war? Could that fact be because SOCIALISM IS UNSUSTAINABLE? No its the kikes right? If national socialism Germany was such an economically sustainable system it could have outlasted the attempts at subversion right? You people are SO bad at arguing for your delusional system of gibs you actually help me support my points.


Now this is hard projecting. Just because I reject your flawed system of governance doesn't mean I defend the current system. You are attempting to create a straw man out of my points and invoking fallacious claims to discredit your opponent. This is a sign of weakness of argument.


Do you think interest rates are an invention of the kikes and serve no purpose other than enrichment?

You are correct I made an error and mentioned time preference when it doesn't not directly relate to the argument I am making.

Interest rates(set by a market) are just like prices they are a measure of scarcity. If there is very little money to go around the interest rate goes up as many individuals are competing for that money When there is a large amount of money circulating interest rates fall as fewer individuals have trouble finding money. This is the trick the fed uses to create the illusion that an economy is doing well as people assume that interest is a measure of scarcity. A government controlling currency, setting their interest rate at zero creates the illusion for wealth and degrades the value of its currency through artificially signaling an abundance. This illusion leads people to spend rather than save and results in a high velocity and low value of money. Its what is happening at this moment with the federal reserve.

Once again.

Screencapped.

Just stick to your plan of sending me on a wild goose chase user. It is clear you have no chops when it comes to argument so you fall back on the old adage of prove it when we are talking about hypothetical s. Low energy shit posting.

According to historical records, Caravaggio had a very low "time preference". History on the other hand does not seem to be dictated by the preferences of man.

Pls go. Your ignorance hurts me.

Who sets the value of that utility? Does an all knowing government entity have the ability to predict economic outcomes and market trends? If that were the case wouldn't communism work? Seriously there is very little difference between arguing with natsocs and commies.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

lmao

This, gommunism is literally the best system much better than capitalism

Oh yeah please define virtue in an objectively differentiable way. Virtue is obviously objective and not a subjective term used by someone to define what they believe to be virtuous.


How is it someone has skin the the game when they are the dm user? The same way American politicians have skin in the game? Are you suggesting that people would have objective standards to hold their leaders to and propaganda and social pressure would cease to exist?

I am really trying to give nazis the benefit of the doubt here but people like this are making it increasing harder. I want to be a nazi my brain just wont let me and these low energy arguments are not helping.

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YMMV

Not an argument the first time. Still not an argument now.

wew

All you have to do is show the economy was stagnant or failing before the war, not even going to ask for proof of premeditation of the war or that the war did anything but stabilise it.

5+5=11

Just give me a few weeks to brush up on my German and do some in depth research of German financial s before WW2. I'm sure this thread will still be relevant and I no way will I be wasting my time appealing to a delusional idiot who cant into logic.

I really don't give a fuck if you are unwilling to argue any point I have made. Just keep up you deconstructionist kikery rather than trying to advocate for a system you are either incapable of defending or are ignorant of. You fuckers think I have fallen for some kike trick when I'm the only one trying to make arguments while you are deflecting. You are unwilling to define the difference between socialism everywhere else and national socialism(most likely because you know you are shit at arguing) but want me to delve into German financial's to prove a the validity of my assertions? Why the fuck should I put that kind of effort into arguing when you are unwilling to make any arguments of your own?

This ain't my first rodeo partner. I can smell a shit poster a mile away and you don't exactly smell like a bed of roses.

fuck off Randlette, go read more fanfics

Communism and Capitalism are two heads of the same monster.

Social credit comes to mind.

I guess you're more used to riding steers, amirite?

Capitalism, when being criticized in this fashion, is almost ALWAYS mistaken for Corporatism or Crony Capitalism.

Ron Pauls brand of capitalism is not evil. That is actual capitalism.

An argument to be had is that its difficult/impossible to avoid slipping into cronyism from capitalism.

Trump will take america closer to its free market origins, which is a GOOD THING. But honestly, for a country to be capitalist, it needs to be both white and very nationalistic.

Free-market capitalism is the superior system from an economic standpoint because, considering the jews don't subvert it to suit their causes, it is built to last. Socialism, of any form, can look great for the first 5-10-15 years, but it eventually will fail.

**I'm kinda annoyed at lack of argument too.
Socialism does work on lower scales but not in the sense that SJWs want it to work (See gibs me dat as opposed to how it functions economically. This is honestly why we need to hold more official debates so we don't become the echochamber we hate on**

And that's why you're wrong.

Socialism could work, but only if the country is 100% white

Is a credit union not a stellar example of free men pooling their resources?

A company has one goal, profit. To get profit they want to sell their product/service to as many as possible, across all borders, cultures and races. Now fine-tuning their products for every single culture and nation is not cost-effective, it is much smarter to spend that money on the globalist culturewar, which slowly erodes all sharp edges between people and cultures that previously stood in the way of them buying your stuff.

Ah, fair point fair point

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Basically this. We had capitalism until the commies and jews came and basically installed their shit.

Capitalism is not perfect but it has worked really great, even after being jewed. The issue we have right now is how we are going further and further away from the free market and capitalism, with a central bank, a huge state with control over property and laws that allow monopolies go their way instead of letting the free market regulate by itself.

The crisis in fact came because public money was being used, and instead of sending of these guys to jail they instead received MORE public money to save their asses. What the fuck is that?

Virtue is virtue. Just because subhumans exist who do not recognize it does not mean it isn't objective.

American politicians have no skin in the game at all. They lose nothing for failure.

Yes, because you are autistic. National socialism has a place for autists, but not near political theory or economics or anything dealing with value. Autists are meant to be engineers or scientists, roles that require very focused but limited mental capacity, like yours.

No, we had feudalism until Jews and capitalists installed their shit.

Both are capitalism, and both are evil. Ron Paul's capitalism is evil because it ensures the crony capitalism emerges, since one is just the later stage of the other.

And corporatism has nothing to do with capitalism or any form of Americanism or liberalism. Corporatism is fascist.

You know, these days it is spelled ''facist'. Whatever works.

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

The government does, by declaring it the legal tender, collecting taxes in that form, and controlling the supply.

Yes and yes. At least in modern European context, interest is literally an invention of kikes to enrich themselves. Before then it was outlawed by the church.

They went to war to recover stolen clay and build up a more favorable position to resist and destroy the soviets. Did a damn fine job too since it required the cooperation of every global superpower to take down a nation that couldn't even ship jews to madagascar.

By this statement I can only deduce that the performance of government is the measure of its success, its three components considered.

You guys really need to stop using that yid Franco as an example of anything good besides not being a communist. Franco post ww2 was just like Pinochet who let America/Jews rape his country. That isn't even mentioning his disgusting betrayal of the actual fascist Falange (he had no problem using their symbols though after turning on them). I get that like Pinochet he has that aesthetic and he hated communists but there is a lot more to fascism/the third position than that.

I apologize I got very off topic there, but I can't stand the completely undeserved hero status he has amongst the third position while Primo de Rivera (the actual Fascist and founder of the Falange) is almost forgotten.

Yes user. It is all very dramatic and exciting.

Every time I see this posted I immediately think "YEAH WE KNOW" but then I remember when I was a lurker. The copy pasta is eternal.

Read Hitler.

Daily reminder he was right about labour backed currency, the importance of society itself to the economy, and the (((international banksters))).

Taco bell has the best fries.
Dairy Queen has the best burgers.
It doesn't make sense but it's true.

I read an article awhile back where there were a bunch of old soviet era light bulbs that still work after40/50 years. I'll see if I can find it. It seems like shit here in the west is designed to break so you have to buy another over priced Chinese piece of shit

These memes are very weak

I know but that's why I like them
he had a vegan one but I can't find it on the site

Franco wasnt as based as Holla Forums sees..but still Franco made Spain a great country.

Yeah, they did some okay stuff. They were shit in a lot of ways, but this idea that socialism necessarily makes everything shit and so on is nonsense. There's a lot more to it than "capitalism works and gommunism doesn't, that's why capitalism won." It's a dumb argument that could be applied to anytning current year


It's basically "current year" used as an argument to defend all the status quo. This is the standard liberal Whig viewpoint.

zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/getting-bed-government

The recent deal to keep Carrier jobs in the United States is not at all unusual. It only received so much press because Trump made it a campaign issue and saw an opportunity to record a big early PR victory before he even took office. Government and corporations cooperate, negotiate deals, scratch each others backs, kickback ill-gotten gains, and function as a career advancement funnel for corrupt politicians.

In reality, the intertwining of government and big business meets the definition of fascism. A centralized autocratic government that picks winners and losers, while suppressing un-favored companies or industries, meets the definition of fascism. Fascists let business remain in private hands, but use regulations, laws, tax benefits, and the distribution of goodies to control the economy. Big business serves politicians and government bureaucrats instead of their customers.

Our corporate fascist economic system benefits big businesses who have hundreds of lawyers, lobbyists, tax specialists, and accountants to comply with the tens of thousands of government regulations, indecipherable tax code, and ridiculous laws, while small businesses are driven into the ground. Small businesses have no political influence and no ability to influence the corrupt system. The big connected conglomerates receive the government subsidies, tax breaks, and preferential treatment. Corporate fascism at its finest.

This is the definition of the Deep State. The military industrial complex, sick care complex, and Federal Reserve puppeteers on Wall Street maintain their power by financing the Deep State through their network of political lobbyists, captured journalists, manipulated think tanks, easily controlled bureaucrat lackeys, and congressional staffers who work in the shadows to create government policy favoring their special interests. Examples of this process in action can be seen in the purposely toothless Dodd Frank legislation and an Obamacare plan benefiting insurance, drug and hospital conglomerates.

The hard line libertarian view is all markets should be totally free. The government should only insure property rights are respected, while leaving people and companies to operate free of constraints, regulations and burdensome taxation. This is a childishly simplistic view of the world. Humans are extremely flawed creatures, susceptible to greed, arrogance, hubris, over-confidence, anger, vengeance, pride, envy and wrath. Whenever humans achieve positions of power they tend to become corrupted and seek to further their power and take actions to retain that power.

This is the real world. It is not going to change. The pendulum swings from the right to the left and back again, but smaller less intrusive government is not in the cards. Tax breaks are the carrots, while laws and regulations are the sticks used to keep big business and big government working in concert and reaping the rewards of a corporate fascist system. Do you ever wonder how life long congressmen, who never earned more than $170,000 per year, “retire” from government service as multi-millionaires? Do you ever wonder how one week after “retiring” from government service they land multi-million jobs with the big businesses they were supposed to regulate?

As this Fourth Turning progresses those of a libertarian mindset will likely become more disappointed and despondent. Based on Trump’s pre-inauguration actions, cabinet selections, and his business background, government interventionism in markets is going to increase dramatically. He is going to use his bully pulpit, governmental authority, tax legislation, and twitter to bully, prod, threaten and reward big business for doing what he wants them to do.

Trump’s selection of a former Goldman Sachs banker as his Treasury Secretary, the COO of Goldman Sachs as his chief economic advisor, and the CEO of Exxon Mobil as his Secretary of State should give you an inkling that Wall Street and big business will not face any decrease in influence or reduction in their well bought benefits. The narrative for their selection is they know how to get things done in the real world. That’s true. They know how to get things done benefiting their self interest.

Nothing has fundamentally changed in this game, except our team has the ball. Millions of Americans have put their faith in Trump to undo the tyranny inflicted on the country by Obama in the last eight years. They are putting their faith in Trump’s ability to use the government to solve problems created by giving the government too much power. Maybe he’ll succeed, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

shit man, you can't even get real incandescent lightbulbs without being sneaky or going for special purpose ones in the US. And there are certain types of american lightbulbs that are that old that still work.

Franco was a traitor who sold his nation out to the IMF. He didn't make anything great.

Nigger if you try to take away my vote I will fucking kill you, you hear?

I vote to take away your vote, who is with me

TLDR: neo-feudalism

..and that's why there's an electoral college.

checked and seconded

Kek and Hitler agree no votes for you

For some actual responses to this thread…

Marxist: Marx, Engles (duh)

Liberal: Kicking Away the Ladder - Ha-Joon Chang

Traditionalist: Evola, Guenon (Crisis of the Modern world has a good chapter on it)

Catholic: Pretty much any Christian theologian tbh, but for a modern perspective see here: michaeljournal.org/capitalism.htm

For a Catholic Fascist perspective, try the Nacionalistas of Argentina or Léon Degrelle


Fascist: Once again, Léon Degrelle. Also Mussolini obviously.

Nazi: Mein Kampf

Volkisch (idk how to classify this one, sort of like a race related critique): Preussentum und Sozialismus, Oswald Spenger

Russian / Orthodox: Aleksandr Dugin

Are you a white man who owns property?

Man you went and blew it right at the end.

Only the property I take into the deep blue sea.

Sun and Steel - Yukio Mashima and Aryan Worldview by Houston Chamberlain also good intro books

Never endorsed him m8 but if you're Russian yourself he's fairly sensible

don-colacho.blogspot.com/

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Women are not pushed into the workforce in the free market. In the free market women are pushed to find a husband to support them because there is no welfare state to fill the role of a husband for them instead.

Nice find.

debateolavodugin.blogspot.com/2011/04/r2-olavo-de-carvalho.html

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This guy is pretty woke

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Almost all women's jobs are directly for the government, doing paperwork to meet government requirements, or service jobs. So welfare, welfare, and the same thing they could do for their family or a family business.

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why u so butthurt leftycuck?

watcha slidin?

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relax, I'm just taking the piss. This guys site is pretty good

what's to slide?

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Except the part about breeding out white Russians with central Asian mongoloids.

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this guy is a prophet

Now that one hits the nail on the fucking head.

Can we compile these quotes into an infograph?

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Blind man sucks on the teat
Tramples blossoms into fine cogs
Seedlings wonder why

Into the trash

They choose to go into the market, which is the problem. Women need to be forced into role as mothers. This is no reason female rights must go along with free market per se, but underlying principles of free market are liberal, so they will tend towards this.

This one?

Monkey here. Venezuela has closed it's border with us and Maduro has probaly fled to Cuba as people are sacking everything because lol no paper left to print hyperinflated money.

There will be either civil war or a revolution soon.

Farantiono predicts to Dante his exile and the bitter ingratitude of his fellow countrymen

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This. Except the Social Darwinist crap is rubbish; the values of long-term survival are NOT adaptive behaviors, in fact they are maladaptive in short term.


What is commonly called "capitalism" today is simply applied liberalism, the behaviour of capital according to the logic of the liberal ideology.*
Self-existing "independent actors" acting in their nondescript "self-interest", and the magical Omnibenevolent Market Fairy will somehow make it the best for everyone, or else they totally asked for it, and besides, It Is The Best System There Is.
This is a nihilistic fantasy world where truth, virtue, nation and common good do not exist, only the whimsical Unburdened Willing Self of the Almighty Socipath is allowed to reign, in the name of the bought and paid for sophistry of Adam Smith, Jeremy "Usury Is Good" Bentham, the "classical" and (((Austrian))) economists.

*Consequently, what we call Communism was in fact Capitalism according Communist idology, Lenin in fact referred to the Soviet system as "state capitalism".

Wow. Fascinating. A normal person will give absolutely 0.0099 short of a fuck about your opinion.

Thats a good point, in a free market, "anything" is viable till it fail. The issue lies on when, how long and what it takes to fail. Any regulation or rule contradicts the system, people would be need to be intelligent and somehow know were to "stop". Its issue tends to be with long term multi-generational interactions and consequences. People tend to be easily direct themselves towards pleasure, empowerment and in-consequent life style or "easy route" that kikes intentionally use/enable to take advantage of the goyim because it hardly fails to bring profit.
Do Libertarians have a proper solution to prevent Monopolies from developing and shielding from any upcoming head-to-head competition ?
Shit gets insane as they inevitable scale up and there is more concentration of power, if nobody manages to keep up, till the point of going full "fuck the system, i am the boss".

What quotes?

Where's that effort going to come from but the government?

meme it

SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN WE WUZ ERRTHANG?

The people.

You don't get a free ride.

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Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Das Kapital is a pretty good critique. A lot has changed since it was written (kids aren't working for cents an hour except in Asia/Africa for instance), but it still applies.
it's a commie book (which "commies" don't read, just like "natsocs" don't read Mein Kampf and "Christians" don't read the Bible), you can disagree with the solution but his critique is right

Trump was right. NATO is for aggressive ass Moomintrolls. Samsung sucks!

This thread is already stuffed but I'll give my reasons as to why capitalism and "the free market" are not to blame.

Firstly, we don't live in a free market. We live in an over-regulated suffocating remnant of free market wealth gathered from the early 20th century and a little from the 50s/60s. We're basically running on fumes.

Women were pushed to go into the workforce in order to increase tax revenue. Lucky for the Marxists that means families bond less and are easier to take down.

And I don't think the welfare state is specifically targeting white people. If you have money, the Gov't is coming for you. It's all about extracting resources the easiest way possible and bribing voters with said resources. If there was a group of whites that wanted free shit, the Gov't would be promising them all the same stuff for their vote.

You forgot about their little gay campain?

Honestly it's a lot better if you imagine it was written by Patton Oswalt, whith a voice kinda like a swan being strangled.

Kinda sounds like a pig when I think of it

1776 - 1913 faggot

The Syndics of the Drapers' Guild by Rembrandt, 1662. Cumbucket.

Anything but that!

Absolutely unscrupulous!

Capitalism doesn't exist as a valid concept because it is a term invented by Mr Karl Marx.

>>>/pdfs/3

Capitalism succeeded Mercantilism. I don't know who came up with the name, but the idea predates Marx.

Neither "communism" nor "capitalism" are valid concepts, by the way. One needs only to consider the source.

It doesn't exist, and I already told you who came up with it.

deez

Just imagine what a difference it would do to the cover if the man was mustered a mere smile. Also the amateurish gradient from red to black, for heavens! What only a couple of dangly fractal flowery bits could do, not withstanding an arithmetic or two between the kilns.

Wew lads. Capitalism is any economic system that adopts the concept of "capital" as its premise.

That's all fine and dandy, but are traps gay?

which covers contradictory economic systems

That's objectively false, Fall Weiss began before the Russian operation and you know this.

A newspaper article about a boycott is not equivalent to rolling tanks across Europe.

Traps and faggots say that it is gay, but they're fucked in the head and you can't trust them, so no. Duh.

Maybe.

Sure, why wouldn't it?

Are they happy? No.
Doubleplushomosex? Definitely.

Is there free will?

I'm with you brother.

Voted 4u

That article was an interesting read. Is it possible that Holla Forums, white nationalism, the alt-right, etc are just the "system" realigning itself now that it doesn't need women and shitskins in the labor-force and that they only take from it now?

As much as I appreciate the succulent taste of guac infused tacos, this La Raza shit isn't going to fucking fly comprende amigo

No. Women are biologically inclined to prefer being a housewife to hard work. Not many women are able are willing to compete with men in the competitive high-paying job market when there are no laws requiring employers to hire women are pay them as much as men if they don't do a good job as men (which they don't). The degeneracy of the family unit is because of the welfare state which means women do not need to find a husband to support them. If there is no welfare state, women will not slut around because they need to sell their sexual resources as dearly as possible. They will seek to find a good husband as a matter of great priority, just like it used to be before the welfare state.

TL;DR: free market capitalism encourages the traditional values, not the other way around.

TL;DR I beat your treasonous illiterate pimping ass into the fucking ground until the God given glorious day YOU SPEAK FUCKING PROPER ENGLISH

I made a few editing mistakes and didn't proofread, no need to get so buttmad. You can understand my points.

Jesus christ, underrated post.

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By that logic if I have a jet engine I have a plane.


It's called taxes, retard, and by your own admission the state will use force against you if you don't repay it.

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This.

samefag

Are you a scientist?

no?

Now you're a war criminal. Congratulations!

Thanks! What do I win?

Depends on who wins, numbnuts.

How do we know who's won?

Who's who's?

Who?

What the fuck, are we a couple of pyrotechnic pigeons? Who? Who?

Wh-Who who-who who?

Fine.. keeping slaves is a bad thing to do. You agree?

No.

I mean yes.

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The most important criticisms of capitalism are thus:
this from a former "radical capitalist" of the Ayn Rand / Rothbard variety. "Pure Capitalism" is hedonism and societal self-destruction.

If participating in the market economy can be considered a form of voting on products, services, etc. by using currency, then it inherently caters to those who are the least intelligent: those who are easily swayed by advertisements, buy products they don't need, have little fiscal responsibility, no ability to defer gratification etc. Meanwhile, the most common, intelligent members in the market (people like you or me who aren't affluent, just rational) will buy less, and when we do save up money to buy something, it will be something like a used car, a foreclosed upon house, etc: big purchases that still make companies less money, and therefore make us less important.

Consumerism is the precise mechanism that has degenerated our society, our morals, our culture, even our laws and government. Those who consume more are the most powerful, whereas the system SHOULD favor those who produce more or produce more valuable work.

One idea I've had a passing interest in is labor-based currency: instead of dollars, you are paid in notes of hours of labor. It seems idiotic at first–everyone supposedly earns the same number of hours if they are all working eight hours a day. But in reality I believe this system favors the craftsman and specialist producers: if their services are more valuable, then they will obtain more work, and thus be able to pay for more labor unto themselves, which is especially useful in old age. On a larger scale this could be similar to Hitler's economic recovery plans in Germany: currency is backed by the goods produced by the nation, and the number of notes circulating is capped at the labor value of some number of public works projects.

The problem we face is letting go of the idea that our current wealth is healthy and that we should strive to maintain it by some other different means. You, for example, are proposing some jiggering with how paper is printed and how government spending works. Cut the bullshit and look at the naked core of our degeneration. Materialism.

haha he's retarded

That's just a big load of BS. There is nothing hedonistic about capitalism. It's called ethical egoism, it's the concept of organising your society without having to depend on anyone being altruistic. Like in socialism and statism, where you have to depend on your leaders to be perfect and not be corrupt, and you have to depend on your voters to vote for the greater good rather than in their own short term self-interest, like voting themselves more money.
Capitalism is not idealistic, all the alternatives are idealistic.

I agree that materialism is the cause, but the only way I believe we can fight against that is by empowering producers instead of consumers. "Progress" and consumerism seem to just go hand in hand, and the people in history I admire the most are those who tried to stand up to the steamroller of "progress", i.e. John C. Calhoun defending the southern US economy against northern US tariffs, or Roosevelt's urges against urbanization and preservation of undeveloped land. But in the name of freedom, or industry, or whatever, nobody steps in to enforce those ideals, and instead let the world slip into a state like what it's in now: electronics are absolutely everywhere, and cheap, useless peripherals for phones and quad-copters or whatever define innovation on the market, continuously draining and wasting resources because it's all cheap enough for them to not worry about.

smells like….
Communism

It's literally Hitler.

ergo the socialist aspect of NatSoc which I vehemently oppose in all forms
equality is a false god

Aright areddy you fuckin cunt. Whoy shouldn't I just swing by your sweet mummers house, give her the what what an'sum and that is that? Seeing as the the fucking rozzers wont give a shit about the whole less of a hole procedure they call it?

I might agree with you but lose the fucking trip

yeah I forgot to remove it
its a reference to something

COPS EAT ASS COPS ARE THIEVES

What happens if the judiciary STEALS?
I guess the go for vacation in Florida.

This post really gets to the crux of it. You pick whatever policy that protects the livelihood of the people while allowing them enough room to grow the nation. It doesn't matter what armchair philosopher title you give to it, you simply do what works best for your people. That's the idea of national socialism, not to do things by the book but to do things that get results, which is why autists hear the word "socialism" follow the word "national" and sperg out.

Lyin' thievin' garbage scum
Who will collect your grievous sum?
It shan't be me, or my neighbor
We ain't a bigtown Jew or Quaker.

are you implying these countries are involved in true socialism? Socialism is causing them to grow poor, it was capitalism which enriched them.

If it isn't working out it must be true, sage.

Yes, every capitalist nation in history. Also theoretical support, from understanding of capitalist class and rent seeking.

just admit its nationalist communism and stop projecting faggot

The ideal system is Fascism/National Socialism.

It takes the good parts of Capitalism and Socialism and turns them into something that is aimed specifically at bettering the people and the country. Capitalism doesn't care for the whole of the community, it's simply about getting ahead, regardless of whether it helps others or the nation/race. Pornography for example is permitted in a purely capitalist society, but this does more to harm and deteriorates the people and the nation, so we can't just say "you can do whatever business you want as long as you can pay for it" because it leads to degradation and alienation. This is one of the biggest problems with Libertarianism.

But pure socialism is basically communism. The individual does not matter and a society where individuals don't matter will not produce wealth or value, because no one has any rational reason to. But socialism can be incorporated into a system, such as public works, which contribute to the health of the nation.

I remember seeing a little infographic which defined fascism in a paragraph or two, idk if anyone has it.

Hahahahaha

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This is what I was basically saying

This is why the USA is done (along with the white American race). Americans are just too retarded to continue existing. Good riddance.

Just out of curiosity is there something inherently white nationalist about eagles? During my first job some old jewish dude complained to my boss about my hat because it had a 'Nazi' symbol on it. It was just a fucking eagle, if anything it was more communist than anything else, it looked like something Che fucking Guevara would wear. The only reason I even bought it was because I had to have a hat on while at work.

GK. Chesterton. NSDAP Party Platform. Huey Long, listen to the broacasts of Father Coughlin, The Italian Fascists just to rattle off a few at the top of my head. Dont liisten to the capitalist apologists itt. They are dumb newfags who voted for trump and think theyre experts now and dont know shit. Meaning they are just edgy conservatives. Natsoc and Fascism are neither right nor left remember that they are third position anti capitalist anti conservative, revolutionary ideologies.

its Caesars Eagle
the Aquilla
symbol of the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire and the Romanov dynasty
when the Romans burned Judea and slaughtered the kikes for the first time they did it under the gold eagle standards of the Empire and an Aquilla was erected atop the rubble of the second temple
then theres the Nazi association coming later
in Europe Eagles are the standards of an Empire large and powerful enough to be one of or the dominant power in Europe

Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same shekel.

U WOT M8?!

Hmm, I was considering improving my diet, but now I have ideological reasons to never eat at Burger King or McDonald's ever again.

Shame, those Xbox 360 games were fun. Eh!

Every fascist nation in history failed, are you going to call fascism a failure?

There is something called EXTERNAL EVENTS.

If I thought you were smart enough to comprehend it I'd explain how confused you are.

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See? I knew you weren't smart enough to bother with. "Ethical egoism" is idealistic.

ALL SOCIALISTS MUST HANG

YOU COMMIE PINKO FAGGOTS MUST DIE ALL OF YOU

As long as we talk about capitalism, we're in the wrong. Once we start talking about local free markets within a protectionist state, then we can relax. It's still free enterprise - but without the rabbid race for the most money. Evola put it well.

This. "Capitalism" is a kike meme. It doesnt exist, except in the minds of americans who swallowed too much Cold War propaganda.

Damn, son. U mad.

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I think that is why a lot of people here don't like the alt-right/TRS. The alt-right/TRS are wholly materialistic and only support white nationalism/identity because they see niggers, mexicans, and muslims as cutting into whites' wealth*. I don't think a lot of them understand the cultural aspects.

*while this is a concern, it is not the only one.

Yes, fascist nations failed due to external events. Capitalist nations fail due to thr system itself. Because it has no way of stopping rent seeking, concentration of wealth into few hands, etc. These are built into the system itself and are a part of it. You cannot just say "that isn't capitalism" because it is an inherent part of it due to the system itself, just like black markets are inherent to a communist state.

What did they mean by this?

Let me ask you all one question. Just one. If you can enforce it…. what difference does it make? What's the difference between say democracy and monarchy, as long as you can enforce either one? What is the difference between capitalism and marxism? What is the difference between free market and planned economy, as long as you can enforce either one?
Force is the only true, measurable, quantifiable, testable, proven, essential, fundamental, legitimate, just system. Force and nothing else. The one thing.

Norway and Venezuela are both marxist as fuck. Switzerland and Uganda are both very capitalist.
Wealth correlates much more with strength, or force, or power. It doesnt matter if it is political or economic or military or some other, at the end of the day, these are all variables in the total force formula.
Whether they are x or y doesnt really matter.

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>>>/liberty/

Have a shitty maymay commies think is insulting


I thought they understood race but just aren't hardliners, which is why everything they do is facetious.

fug, that was a stupid comment, I just realised the alt-right is split over racism.

huh, i guess that explains why the cunt was schvitz about it.

You can't just keep making these special qualifiers for what Capitalism is and isn't'. It very much is the same as "no true communism". Private property, as in property that contracts out workers to produce commodities for exchange on a market is alive and well in the United States. It's very well documented that most of the Capitalist successes used the State to get rich with protectionist policies. The Enclosure movements in Britain is what turned the masses into wage slaves and the industrial revolution was facilities by the slave trade throughout the world. I want you to explain why a central bank that sets interest rates suddenly makes a system not capitalist. The state has always been heavily involved in Capitalism. The argument "the central bank interferes with trade" falls flat on its face considering the State has been interfering with trade since Capitalism was the worldwide economic paradigm.

was facilitated*

Marx's critique is outdated because we no longer use commodity money. The Marxian school is concerned more with defending Marx against inconsistencies like the transformation problem rather than doing something rational, say like adopting a Sraffian price system.

Fascism isn't a coherent ideology and flipped views depending on what was most convenient. In reality, both Mussolini and Hitler were incredibly pro-business with businesses being instrumental to Mussolini's rise in agarian-esque Italy, and benefitting heavily from Hitler's policies. There is absolutely nothing socialist about fascism.

One of the most interesting ideas of radical political analysis was the idea of elites wielding minorities as a type of shock troops in their fight against the white middle class. The liberal elite live in the greatest hypocrisy as a scandal I'll make in another thread regarding Samantha Bee and Jason Jones of Daily Show fame.

National Socialism did not allow Jews to infiltrate and dominate hence the cartel of Soviet Russia and Capitalist USA and their respective satellites to combine militarily to crush it.
Check & Mate.

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These days its spelled "cox". Keep sucking them.

My views will be unpopular, but whatever.

So long as one's pursuit of prosperity does not impact the future prosperity of the nation (i.e. short-term profits for long term losses; like selling your people into slavery, cutting down all your forests or importing so many immigrants so as to irrevocably change the genetic and cultural make-up of the nation); then it should be encouraged.

No one ever got anywhere by going out to work hard for their neighbour. They got somewhere by working hard for themselves or their progeny; that is the only thing that truly motivates the majority. The key to a better future is for the majority to have a vested interest in that future. You might have a few good people who will work hard for their fellow man, but the majority will not; far better is it to set up the system so that everyone works hard for themselves and their children which in turn benefits most everyone.

Yes there has to be a small governing body to decide on whether or not cutting down X amount of forests will do long term damage. No there is not a good way to do this. I'd advocate for localised democracy where Gordonsville's citizens get to decide what happens in Gordonsville. If they fuck up their town then that sucks, but why should we assume a bunch of bureaucrats or socialists (even of the nationalist variety) would know more about their town and what would work there than they do?

How does this differ from what we have today? Well it goes back a century or so, and each town would get to decide whether or not it wanted to have kikes living with them. Sure a few might make the mistake of letting them in, but when they see how prosperous those who did not were they might be inclined to kick all the kikes back out.

Why wouldn't one group just try to federalise all the independent towns? Well they might, and probably would. It might all go down the same as it did in history. But you know what? Implementing 'national socialism' would likely go down with mass-violence too. If we're talking about feasible, work-able systems, and not a 'perfect world'; I'd much rather have it they way I outlined.


Agreed, but I'd be living in a nice white-Christian only community so I would not share in your problems.You might call me selfish, but in the end if people want to destroy themselves they should be able to. So long as the government stays away from me and my own, and we can continue to live and prosper; I honestly do not care all that much. I'd hope others would follow my example, and I'd be willing to offer my services and my life in the defense of others wishing to save their own land and people; but the idea that everything would be magically fixed by a huge socialist state dictating what we all can and cannot do is moronic. You want to prepare people so that they can prosper under 'anarchy/liberarianism/freedom'?… Teach 'em philosophy and read them the Bible (other cultures myths and parables might work well too, but its been so long since we've seen a successful 'free' culture that was not Christian that its probably not worth the risk).