The most egalitarian countries are nordic countries

They will be unable to survive in a world were global capitalism has stagnated, which is where we're headed in the next couple years.

why to fix something that aint broken?

Its not hard to look good when you are compared with radioactive diarrhoea.

Because "at least we arent as retarded as america" just isn't good enough.

Social democracy's welfare policies end up eroded by the boom and bust of worldwide neoliberal economics.
(polite sage for doubleposting)

Enjoy your "tolerant" capitalism.

Congratulations to socdem for work so well with neoliberalism. Nordic countries only exists because of of 3rd world labor exploitation. Get a fucking real ideology or go fuck yourself.

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15% of Norway's labor force is super-exploited immigrants who are given fake contracts, work mind boggling hours, and aren't paid minimum wage as minimum wage is negotiated through unions and there is no national minimum wage.

Also, to maintain even this position, they deport people even wgen it means they will be tortured (the deportation of even children who grew up in Norway was headed by the Labour Party).

And the relatively high standard for the rest of the population relies on being supported by EU and US imperialism

All developed capitalists countries are based on 3rd world labor exploitation, get real or prove me wrong.

Also if you sum all nordic countries population you'll 26,5 milion habitats with a very low density. There are metropolis that easily double that number.

If you wanna defend or brag about some economic system at least choose one that can be applied and functional in more than one very specific set of countries and that is not dependent of a neoliberal system.

Claiming all immigrant workers are super exploited is patently false, mostly they make exactly as much as norwegian natives.
Working hours are regulated by law, no more than 9 hours in a 24 hour period and no more than 40 hours a week. Not all employers respect this,but they are breaking the law. Foreigners not familiar with rules and language are of course more vulnerable to unscrupulous and criminal employers, but that is hardly unique to Norway.
Norway not having a national minimum wage is a left wing policy, it's justified by claiming it would hurt the negation power of the unions and cause a race to the bottom. Industries particularly vulnerable to social dumping actually do have government mandated minimum wage. This is the reason for some companies using fake contracts. Fake contracts are illegal, obviously.
Norwegian law forbids deportation if the person risks getting tortured. But yes, the track record is not clean, as some people have been tortured and killed after deportation.
The high standard of living is a mix of low income inequality, and wages (and cost of living) being driven up by massive income from oil production, giving norway high purchasing power when importing goods.

Yes, but when compared to other western countries, nordic capitalism is somewhat egalitarian on a national level. Not that I'm a big fan of it.

go die tbh

Wow it's like they're laying on a bedrock of
Imperialism

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Our whole point is classes being irreconcilably unequal.

No, not all of them, but a very large number
Even the unions themselves admit this

That's just a flat out lie.
norwaytoday.info/news/immigrants-earn-significantly-less-norwegians/
newsinenglish.no/2014/01/13/educated-immigrants-earn-less-than-locals/

pics related

"A large amount of the asylum seekers in Norway were fleeing from Ethiopia, and as European capitalism cannot handle them, Norway made an agreement with the Ethiopian regime in an attempt to forcibly repatriate them[15] (“them” being the asylum seekers and their children [so-called “asylbarn” {asylum children}], many of which were born and raised in Norway)[16]. This agreement was made only one month after increasing aid to Ethiopia too (despite much of the European bourgeoisie even decreasing aid in supposed protest of Ethiopia’s human rights violations[17])! But don’t worry, Norway’s Minister of International Development assures us that “There is absolutely no connection [between the aid and the agreement], as I see it”[18]. These policies were spearheaded, of course, by our good friends, the Social Democrats (Norway’s Labour Party)[19]. In fact, these homesick visitors were so excited at the opportunity to go home that they accidently locked themselves in churches and didn’t eat for extended periods of time[20], one group even ended up inadvertently barricading themselves in a room at the Torshov transit center, luckily for them, the police were able to help by bringing dogs and helicopters[21]. Again, no need to fret, the police assured us that the event was “undramatic” and that they all left voluntarily (apparently the refugees recalling arrests and such don’t remember it correctly)[22]. In 2013, 27% of refugees to Norway were fleeing the repressive regime in Eritrea, often referred to as “Africa’s North Korea”. Democratic Norway’s — and its supposedly “non-repressive” regime’s — response was to attempt to send them back where they may likely be tortured for attempting to flee[23]. They tried again last year (this time by the conservative government, who were earlier supposedly pleading the Labour Party to rethink the deportation of Ethiopians [specifically the children])."
leftcom.org/en/articles/2016-07-29/sanders’-electoral-campaign-in-the-us

Let's also look at Denmark:
"[Denmark] in January passed laws which tripled the amount of time refugees must wait before applying for family reunification (it increased from one to three years) and which allowed them to search through refugees’ belongings to find cash and valuables of up to 10,000 kroner[9], which they will seize and sell (the only exception being items of “special personal significance” [e.g. wedding rings]), to help “cover the cost” of their “accommodations”[10]. Not only that, the “integration allowance” paid to refugees has them living below the poverty line, is usually not enough to eat three meals a day, and 15% of these families with three or more children will not have enough money to consistently buy fruits and vegetables[11][12]"

SocDem + Crisis of Capitalism = Fascism

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What's with the stale, recycled 20th century memes?

It's all falling apart. Even in greatly lauded Nordic countries, SocDem reforms are giving way to neoliberalism. This will only get worse as the European economy falls deeper into crisis, since the Nordic countries depend so heavily on the European economy, and the response to any economic woes in their own countries has been neoliberal austerity, just like everywhere else.

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In building an alternative to capitalism?

Depends how you look at the numbers.
ssb.no/a/publikasjoner/pdf/DP/dp570.pdf

tual labor market experience present a very different picture on the earnings of
these immigrants in Norway. Immigrants with low or intermediate levels of educa-
tion appear to have earnings vastly similar to, or in some instances even slightly
better, than natives with the same levels of education and labor market experience.

But yes, anyway you look at it immigrants with higher education suffer as a group, this is explained in your link

Imo. People not getting jobs in their trade is mismanagement of resources not exploration.

To me this paint a picture of a country not being fully able to integrate people in their work force, not a system built on exploration of foreign work force.

But none of them where actually deported as far as I can tell. It's a scare tactic to dissuade other refugees.
How would you handle the situation? There are 5.2 million people in Norway, there are 99 million people living in Ethiopia a "come here and bring your friends" approach might not be the best idea.
Same goes for Denmark.

stop grabbing that rose so hard, you might cut your hand

Burden of proof is on you, idiot.

Every single "egalitarian" social democracy exists off the back of the third world and most also off oil money and high finance money. It's an illusion AND they still have massive class divisions, even if they are marginally better than the US

This, they wouldn't be sustainable without 3rd world sweatshop goods.

But he did prove you wrong you humongous idiot. All morden capitalist countries function using 3rd world labour, and that includes the nordic countries you love to jerk off to so much. If you refuse to accept this blatantly obvious fact you're just deluded, or trolling.

Repeating a claim is not proving it, you imbecile.
So no proof then?

Are you sure about the truth of this assertion? I don't see any reason to believe that Norway, Sweden, and such countries couldn't meet their needs for mass-produced goods with in-country factories. Do you really think large firms are running razor-thin margins while simultaneously making record profits? This is the kind of thinking that you see in that one comic about porky.

Under free trade, obviously, native firms to rich countries would be unable to compete with firms in poor countries without paying unsatisfactory wages to factory workers, along with costs associated with compliance with labor and environmental law. If they didn't cut wages in the first world, they would have to raise prices.

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Repost with less spelling errors, deleting the first post

Depends how you look at the numbers.
ssb.no/a/publikasjoner/pdf/DP/dp570.pdf
But yes, anyway you look at it, immigrants with higher education suffer as a group. The reason for this is explained in your link

Imo. People not getting jobs in their trade is mismanagement of resources not exploitation.
To me this paints a picture of a country not being fully able to integrate immigrants in their work force, not a economy built on exploitation of foreign workers.
But none of them where actually deported as far as I can tell. It's a scare tactic to dissuade other refugees.
How would you handle the situation? There are 5.2 million people in Norway, there are 99 million people living in Ethiopia. A "come and bring your friends" approach might not be the best idea.
Same goes for Denmark.

Just a quick question, what's better about pic 1 than pic 3?

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I don't care if it "work" or not, socdem is still capitalism, so I don't want it.

oh, just a personal preference. but it doesn't exactly depict an egalitarian society, so if that's the kind of thing you're into, maybe don't flood your country with mudslimes.

It works insofar as it postpones the collapse of capitalism. But it doesn't solve the problem.

I live in Denmark. We have had this system since the 1930's. It only works because people care for eachother. Once that trust and care erodes the system will fall apart. You earn more money by doing nothing and receiving welfare, than working for minimum wage. Which means that if everyone stops caring about the system, which helps the poor at expense of everyone but the richest people, it wouldn't last a week. That is also why politicians here seem somewhat harsh at times. No one wants to be in charge once the system breaks. And they know that immigrants without a degree would put us a step closer to that collapse. Companies in Denmark are already fighting against the global market, which means that special muh privileges are given to those companies who don't leave for more lucrative countries. The wellfare state is a delicate balance which is difficult to maintain. Also without NATO Denmark would probably be West Russia by now. We don't even have engineers who can repair our tanks and aircrafts.

Must happen in the United States before it can happen globally. Hopefully when the U.S inevitably collapses China will actually return to orthodox Marxism.

Anyway, I don't care because all these countries rely on third world labour.

They never subscribed to orthodox Marxism.

The proof maymay is retarded because there are plenty of different ways to form a socialist economy.

No shit, the USSR and PRC sucked, but as soon as you mention how a socialist country like Tito's Yugoslavia were a resounding success they either move the goalposts or abandon the discussion.

k then

I forgot it is necessary a lack of understanding of geopolitics and global capitalism to be a socdem. Nordic economy is dependent of western European countries, if you don't get it now, just go to /liberalpol/

>>>/s8s/

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