Buddhism

Its a religion.

I don't really agree with its protestant-esque take on pleasure and desires.

No, I'm a libertarian marxist. I just get pooper-peeved that Stirner, Nietzche et al are worshipped when Buddha had as much to say asall of european philosophy combined and ten times more to say that's relevant to our current existence (but this is kind of skewed because I'm including the Greeks) and more importantly came up with the particular ideas that people look to Stirner and Nietzche for like 2000 years before they did. I'm not even an actual Buddhist.

See I'm talking about this shit

You don't understand it. Ironically, Buddhist monks are doing it completely wrong. The "middle way" hasn't been particularly useful for being too vague but looking at recordings and such most people will get to the conclusion that what he meant was that too much indulgence can lead you to neglect the needs of other people and not enough can lead you to neglect your own.

B-b-b-but 19th century polemics aren't spooky because they're not called religions!!!

kek

sage

What's Holla Forums's opinions on Buddhism?

This, apparently.

Not bad. Eastern idealism tends to be superior to western idealism.

maybe causeof tibet

me english good

persuing a path to enlightenment is silly

Why sage? Wtf

No need to work for Nirvana, just take LSD, has the same effect. But Buddha has to be a all self-righteous "no fun allowed" faggot.

He's not like that at all. Desire is not enjoyment.

You realize most of what Buddha said he never actually said right? The first written records of Buddha's teachings were made 800 years after his death and God knows how many Buddhist monks since then had added their own teachings to it. Nobody really knows what the original Buddha taught.

I do some zazen and think some of the general philosophy is interesting/useful, but that's about it. I don't really subscribe to it as a religion or take it too seriously. While I like zen I do think some of the other more religious sects are pretty fucked.

Bretty interesting.

Regret making this thread now.

Buddhism is pretty good to me but not so much Tibetan Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is mostly influenced from a religion called Bon. I don't agree with everything in Buddhism though for my own life but i cant reject it for others.

Another boring religion, one fetishized by Westerners as exotic and harmless. Terrorism in its name is not unheard of though.

Like all religions in belongs I'm the trash. Don't know why people think not is inherently peaceful

Watered down Stirnerism, but with spooks like reincarnation.

fuck off already with your shit threads you faggot nigger

I do realize that. But even just the things he almost definitely said were really fucking important.

Hey can you shut the fuck and kill yourselves? Thanks
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Yeah no kidding. Holla Forums's kneejerk reactions to "spooks" and "idpol" are the two main things keeping this board from being perfect, and both of them show their worst in every single Buddhism thread. That and the Leninist, ultraleft and non-Marxist presences.

In my honest opinion every leftist should at least look into Buddhism but no everyone

I don't think taking measures against the threat of Muslim nut jobs should count as terrorism. It's not like they do things in the name of buddha.

Wow this entire post was bad and edgy congratulations

Every once and again I get an interest to looking more into Buddhism, mostly just to sate my intellectual curiosity.

And then "Buddha is love, Buddha is life" user makes another thread and I decide that nah, I have better things to read about.

Consider re-examining your life.

The core teachings and even a good deal of the peripheral stuff consist of top-tier observations, some of the most profound in human history in fact. As a branch of philosophy it is excellent.

As an organized religion however it falls into the same traps as all other organized religions in the world, including dogmatism, ritualization and belief in the supernatural and otherworldly beings.

I'm Buddhist and ultra-left. Fight me faggot..

Hey, someone asked for my opinion and I gave it.

People did at one time apparently and some of them still do.

Pro-tip: no real ultra-left calls themselves ultra-left. They all get super butthurt at the term.

I'm talking about the cunts that don't support like YPG or Venezuela at all, not even as steps in the right direction, and insist people shouldn't vote or vote for shitty sectarian kek-parties. Basically, sectarians.

More than half probably do. It's just something that was used to explain certain Buddhist concepts ("world is a fuck"-nihilism) to Hindu normies, and also to help convert them that got taken seriously eventually.

This man is right.

Only good religion tbh.

Buddhist philosophy a semi-big influence on my life, big fan of Trungpa's books even though he was a dick IRL. Probably would be dead if it wasn't for meditation.

Mindfulness and meditation are empirically proven to make you healthier.

I quit smoking largely because of meditation.

Achieving nirvana is about relinquishing the material world until even your own thoughts and feelings are not your own property. Which is commie as fuck.

Although they did allow lending at interest, which is fucking bullshit profiteering.

Also they are half assed Jainists

Hippies ruined it though

I don't "support" the YPG/Venezuela and neither do you. Leftcoms and the like reject them for not actually being socialist, but that doesn't mean they are opposed to what modest improvements to peoples well being that such movements will bring. You can criticize a movement while recognizing they're better than the other options given the circumstances. Also, I find the term ultra-left hilarious. I'm certainly more left than the nationalist shitbags that claim to be Marxist while clearly rejecting most Marxist theory.

Hippies are fucking stupid and were never Buddhists to begin with.

Hi Timothy Leary and no, it's not the same, it's not even close to similar. This is the kind of hippy bullshit that ruins it. Mediation is oxidising your blood and being aware of your body, it's super consciousness. Lsd is distortion of consciousness

I'm fine with it. What I take issue with are the so-called secular "buddhists" who have nothing to do with Buddhism whatsoever, are probably just attracted to its aesthetics, bastardize the dharma completely and distort it according to what they want it to be. Buddhism is a religion. Get over it. These fucks also aren't really secular if you think about it.

Wew.
Venezuela isn't a socialist country, but the industries it has nationalized clearly have socialist operation. The YPG is a socialist country.

I don't understand the hateboner for usury, it's a necessary evil that comes with money.
What Nigga? They have little to do with each other.

It isn't really a religion. It's a philosophy that underlies dozens of different religion.
Also since I've spent the majority of this thread singing Buddhism's praises, here are some of my criticisms of it- I don't really think it emphasizes spreading happiness to others as much as it really should.

The main difference in between Buddhism and Jainism is that Buddhism focuses more on material relations and desire and Jainism focuses more on interpersonal relationships. They both have about the same primary focus on self-improvement though. Also Jainism is much, much more monastic and strict. Some of them wear funny masks and sweep their feet so they don't accidentally breathe in or step on any bugs, which probably isn't really a bad idea but it's a huge effort.

I prefer Daoism to Buddhism OP. It seems more optimistic, and the Dao, the essential process of the universe, itself is just a logical concept IMO. And, not to mention, Daoism has sparked proto-libsoc movements in the past, like the Chinese Yellow Turban Rebellion.

This was the Western bullshit I was talking about. Buddhism IS a religion. All of the Buddhist schools/sects, from the very beginning, have believed in Hells and its different realms, spiritual entities (devas/demons), rebirth, karma. etc. It is a fucking religion. In fact, without the belief in rebirth which is based on karma, the whole shit doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Rebirth is intrinsically linked to samsara, karma and enlightenment. Without this, there would be no fucking point. This is what the Buddha talked about. It would be like being a "Christian" without believing in the redemption of Christ or his divinity. Is Buddhism philosophical? Yes, no shit, but so is Christianity etc.

Stop partaking in this bullshit and get over it.

There are traditions of monks who sacrifice the progress of their own spiritual journey for helping others.

They also have scripture, prayers, pilgrimages, holy sites, etc. And as you said, rebirth, Nirvana and karma connect all the sects.

It is nonsense to say it isn't a religion. This comes from Western "buddhists" who want to ignore history and revise the Buddha into some sort of Western Enlightenment (the Western movement and not an oriental enlightenment) leader which is total bull. They remind me of humanists.

This is true. Buddhism is a religion that had its roots in Hinduism. Which explains the rebirth concepts of Buddhism, which as you said won't make sense without it!

Other thing I want to mention I have no ill quills with Buddhist the actual ones, not these hipsters that think they know what Buddhism is. Mostly those in the West that deny it as a religion just not focused on god(s) than other religions.

Yes, I also have no problem with religion unless it's promoting something real and ugly (like killing) but this annoys me. Like, it makes sense for a form of Western Buddhism to emerge from Buddhists in the West influenced by Western philosophy or thought.It would be like how Zen Buddhism emerged from traveling monks meeting with Taoists, but what's happening with the Secular "Buddhists" is bull shit and not sincere.

They're bastardizing it and atrociously stripping it from its core teachings just to not be embarrassed and claim how "rational" and "secular" they are. If you're attracted by Eastern thought, that's fine, but don't call yourself a Buddhist unless you're going to take the religion for what it is. Again, it's like calling yourself a Christian because you like the messages given by Christ while not believing in God, Heaven, redemption or sin.

These "buddhists" do no read scripture, turn Buddhism into pure psychologization and what really pisses me off, is that their leadership would charge you for providing a lesson/teaching. That is some serious shit right there. What "buddhist" would ever do that? What priest would charge the followers for mass? Yet again, it's a fucking hipster trend with frauds profiting off of idiots.

Don't forget the robes, chanting and the rituals.

Yes, a big reason why people would say it isn't religion is because they have shallow understanding of what a religion is. That is, God(s). Anyways, Buddhism is not "atheistic". It is non-theistic. Buddhism does not say there is no God, it just isn't concerned with it. That's why there are Buddhists who believe in deities or some who worship the Buddha himself.

Forgot to add, secular "buddhism" is to Buddhism what "anarcho"capitalism is to anarchism. They're revisionst redefinitions contradicting the essence of what they claim to be. "Buddhism" without beliefs is the biggest horseshit I've ever heard.

You fail it my dude
Karma is a really abstract way of saying "what goes around comes around"- not in the spooky way but in the factual way. Samsara is a really abstract way of saying "your life will continue being a pointless, cyclical drag until you do this shit".

And none of them can agree on any of it because it's dozens of religions. Buddhism doesn't even really have dogma brah, their closest equivalent is really lax.
Why are we always bashing humanists again? Humanism is not inherently spooky. The spreading of happiness is very material.

Gay post all of it

You're literally describing Jesuism, which I am also. One. Of the.

Can we come up with a term like "atheistsplaining" for when agnostics and other irreligious folk try to say others are hypocrites or whatever by explaining their own religions and belief systems to them assuming they know more despite being an outsider?

I never said it didn't come from Hinduism, so that's irrelevant.

100% confirmed for not reading the Tripitaka
Beyond stupid

This was extremely stupid. Do you know how many denominations of Christianity they are? There are fucking thousands denominations of Protestanism, and then you have Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity etc. They all have difference, but they are all Christian and the belief in Christ, God, and Heaven ties them together. There is no religion that is undivided. Buddha definitely has dogma you fucking idiot. You can even get in trouble for having "wrong view".

Tl;dr you're fucking stupid.

also,

While the Buddha rejected Hinduism these type of concepts which Buddhism has were part of it since the start.

I'll just be more specific. Karma is way more complex than that. It isn't just "what goes around comes around" It does certainly have "supernatural" elements. Your existence in the sea of samsara is based off it and so is your rebirth.

You are engaging in some high-level ignorance.

Wew we can accuse each other of being unlearned until the sun goes back up but that's not going to change you being wrong.
The only reason you started this bitchfight about karma is you want to write off the entire belief system as "spooky" and I won't let you. Taking karma and samsara literally are not a prerequisite for being a Buddhist at all. They are explanations of concepts, and ultimately it doesn't matter if these explanations are metaphorical or literal. I assure you there are tons of actual Buddhists in Japan and like Burma or whatever that also don't believe in reincarnation. But hey guess what, if reincarnation is real then I won't be mad or even all that surprised, I just don't see any evidence so I don't believe it for now.

Dude the Tripitaka was made way after Buddha's life, please source that shit.
Nu-uh.
No U.

Why does this Holla Forumslack think spamming our board with ads of Trump's ugly mug will make us want to vote for him or something? Also what's more sad, his devotion or his money spent?

There is no reincarnation is Buddhism. It's called rebirth.

No fucking shit. The lectures were passed on through generations orally which explains why the Tripitaka is so repetitive. Repetitions is good for memorizing. The Gospels were also written way after Christ's death. What's your point? The Theravada school is the closest you're going to get to the original. How about you actually read it.

You did the same thing here:

Buddhism is a religion.

And I might just take the leap of faith and convert to it.

It wasn't like 700 fucking years though, it was like maybe 50.
I did that because I was responding to you doing the thing I was accusing you of doing.
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Yeah and from what is known, it was always religious. I really don't get what your point was.

On a more friendly note, I found a good Buddhist move. It's called "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring" again. You should watch it.