ITT: We speak our minds

anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/few-comments-on-post-left-anarchy

See this.

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YES
YES
YES
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Pretty good anyway

I have never seen a cohesive answer running counter to a planned economy that isn't neo-liberalism or "the syndicates will run everything" meme.

Drop the Stirner memes on me…

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shit
meh
agree

market socialism is best socialism

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Lemme guess, you believe in economism?

Limits to growth are real and industrial civilization is unsustainable. Prove me wrong lefties.

Workerism is a bigger problem than idpol.

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Read MUTUAL AID: A FACTOR IN EVOLUTION. That is your homework and medicine

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I think you are the best poster nihilist man

this is correct

What's wrong with the first one?

Its got nothing to do with psychology its a biological study and some history.

What's your preferred methodology?

I like you

You mean in the way Lenin critisized it? No, not at all, I believe in the necessity of a workers revolution and in a physical overthrow of the material conditions, I just don't like the cultural nihilism that people seem to push with it. It's one thing to LARP the aesthetics of the Soviet Union (Russian Constructivism and Socialist Realism is both pretty stylish) but it's another thing to try and dismantle all cultural superstructures besides the economics.

everybody agrees with this

Evopsych claims to be biology and psychology, dumbass.

muh edgy pornographic nihilism

Gypsies should be exterminated.

OH leftist opinion?

Eh, I guess protectionism and limiting immigration is a good thing due to controlling it can give the native working class more benefits, the native working class makes up the people who sohuld support socialism after all. Other than that not a lot.

100% fully agree with this.

As much as the Left denies it, critiques of Israel often do turn into critiques of Jewishness and Judaism. I think what did it for me was one lefty saying Judaism is an "inherently fascist" religion because it sees the Hebrew language as having some kind of mystical quality, and such thinking is fascistic for some reason or another. Honestly, a lot of the things I've seen leftists say about Jews and Judaism are nearly identical to the things islamophobes say about Islam.

Not at all. You fall for the bourgeois trick to conflate antizionist critique with alt-right antisemitism.

It's the same with looking like a racist when saying that Obama was shit.

Immigration from the third world to the first hurts third world nations more than first world ones, because the third world loses more of its potential workforce AND intelligensia (brain drain basically). Also immigrants become assimilated into western decadence and passivity and lose their revolutionary potential, making socialist revolution far less likely in the third world. Border walls would actually help the third world in this regard.

Military life is a model for life under communism.

too much philosofags in the left

No, I've encountered real critiques of Jews and Judaism in the left which go far beyond critiques of Israel's genocide of Palestinians, i.e. claims that there are things inherent to Judaism or Jewish identity which facilitate war-hungry Israeli policy and the only way to "end zionism" is to make Jews give up their Jewishness.

Barely anyone on Holla Forums reads to begin with, much less reads philo.

And? Leftists love to tear apart Christianity, Konfuzianism and sometimes Islam, but suddenly because it's Judaism, which clearly has some profit-oriented contemporary expressions, you can't touch it?

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you forgot this ^

Actually the left tends to be pretty soft on Islam, attributing all of Islam's "bad" qualities to the effects of western colonialism. Christianity is often made excuses for given that the Church has been very leftist in Latin America.

Well, that's a little bit over top, but there are surely similar critiques out there targeting Christian denominations like Calvinism the same way, and you probably wouldn't have a problem with that.

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I have seen many people say that jews control banks and goverments and so on

many of them are part of the extreme side of the Labour party

jews are an ethnic group retard

Judaism is hardly a monolith and different Jewish ethnic groups have different traditions and interpretations. When you're talking about "critiquing Judaism" who are you critiquing exactly? Hasidics? Litvish? Yemenites? Sephardim? Seculars? Modern Orthodox? Reconstructionists? Who?

One way you can tell who is truly socialist vs. who is just nationalist is what said TW groups turned into after the fall of the USSR. Before 1991, a lot of nationalists claimed to be socialist-leaning just because they wanted free guns from the Soviets.

Immigration is not a problem; stagnant wages from neoliberalism occurs regardless of how many immigrants a nation takes in, so anyone complaining about refugees and/or immigrants driving down their standard of living is wrong.

But the book doesn't talk about psychology, dumb ass

what makes you believe this? how do you think liberalism will lead to socialism when modern liberalism firmly believes in private property as a right?

What are you the guardian?

In liberalism, freedom is the greatest value.
It's important to note that freedom can be either positive or negative. I believe that most people will recognize that theft of surplus violates workers' (positive) freedom.

mistakes, he did it right

Third Worldism makes sense. The west is too self-indulgent for socialism and relies way too much on the exploitation of the Third World to be anything but exploiter nations.

Antisemitism comes into the left every time critiques of Israel move to critiques of "Jewish identity".

I agree with all this.

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what the fuck

Capitalism couldn't have come into existence without colonialism and division of labor according to race. Racism pre-dates capitalism by a few centuries.

Wew

kys

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Racism predates capitalism but it certainly didn't cause it.

Also, I forgot to mention in>>840469

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We need to kill the bourgeoisie AND their families

Is this Revisionism thread?

Oh, wait. Anarchists no being particularly left is the first opinion. Not 100% correct, but …. A-a-and then we have "Stalin haven't wrote anything".

Gulags it is.

I never thought this was unpopular.

It's an unpopular opinion thread, you insufferable faggot.

Zizek has never held an incorrect opinion.

How autistic are you?

There are unpopular opinions and there is revisionism.

When I'm bored? It can go over 9000 quite high.

what about anarcho-capitalists

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Uhuru detected

pick one

Hey, I didn't make it up.

If it was an internally consistent philosophy it wouldn't be incorrect.

Funny because most of Unruhe's recent videos are alt-right-esque tirades against idpol.

Is the rest of /Marx/ as cringeworthy and unbearable as you or are you just particular stupid?

Will there be intelligent response at some point? If - no, I'll go write about Mongolia winning WWII.

They come straight from 9gag.

Lol, I consider myself to be a ML

If you have concrete criticism, then bring it on, don't just throw revisionist at me.

I didnt think the last one was an unpopular opinion.

1) It's "particularly"
2) /marx/ is mostly Ismail answering questions. It really needs more people
3) I'm great and awesome.

You specifically? 'kay.

Why? Anti-Duhring is quite good.

Also, why? I can't even begin to understand the reason of your opinion.

(i really need to re-read it, but I doubt it very much)

(I would say it is, but what is method?)

This is provably wrong. And very wrong. NEP was unavoidable. Now, maybe Soviets switched too early (they could've avoided Volga famine), but they simply didn't have the means to switch to planned economy after the war.

Even first Five-Year plan was moving from clusterfuck to clusterfuck despite all the work that was made to help it happen.

Except Stalin didn't (and couldn't) do the purging.

Voluntarism. One man cannot decide everything.

this is literally the "cultural marxism" conspiracy theory repackaged for a leftypol audience

Racism as we know it today (the arrangement of the human "races" into a hierarchical order) developed around the same time capitalism was in order to justify the slave trade and colonialism.

No, it's an extension of the "bourgeois revolution with red flags".

There's that plebbit meme again…

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Uhuru not MRN

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhuru_Movement

Even between girls?

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Yes. Girls are probably the biggest rapists I know.

Capitalists arent some illuminati organization. most probably know nothing about socialism

How is this unpopular?

It said unpopular opinions.

eh, lots of folks have said that the state exists to empower capitalism. I think the state is just deathly afraid of change. it's by no means the most unpopular opinion.

Capitalist state.

If ruling class is not capitalist, then it empowers this ruling class. That's orthodox Marxism through and through. Very popular opinion. China-sized popular.

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why tho

Change is co-constituent of, and sets in motion the, various interpretations of philosophical truths; including the claim that Hegel has only discovered the abstract, logical, speculative expression of the movement of history.

Ignore the idealists of this board.

Not nihilist, but I got the impression Said knows very little about colonialism outside of European colonialism of the Middle East (stuff about Japanese colonialism in Korea or China, for example). He's also a cultural reductionist who barely takes things like relations of production into account, and his whole narrative is fucky.

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fuck off
totalitarianism is a meme
stop posting you retarded Holla Forumsyp
lurk moar

hi reddit

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Most of contemporary leftist philosopher are actively developing materialist appropriation of theological, only leftypol faggots are out of touch.
wew

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I have a secret.
I'm a Crypto Tankie.

C-Corbyn?

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i guess i kinda agree with all ur points, but i think the last one isn't such a big issue
i mean i didn't encounter that a lot

State Socialism is now impossible.

This is true. The radical left can only work as an anti-thesis to the alt-right at this point. Here is the problem: People love regulated liberalism. They really fucking do and when you argue against it with a left dialectic, they will discard you.

Or we just wait for the breakdown of capitalism but I might be dead by then.

It isn't true and you're a fool to ever take social policy while criticizing it.

With the abundance of commodities, post-scarcity and a generally higher average education it's actually more possible in the First World compared to all the historic attempts…

What is it with leftypol and being idealistic and naive?

they are teenagers

ay lamoa

Feminism is hardly idealistic.

The liberation of women is hardly material either.

Neither is the market or the state, but these are just things we deal with anyways.

Girls suck

:^)

Tito dindu nuffin

Don't lie you love us.

you wish

patriarchy-free world is an idealism

literally a faggot

Define "idealism". Without using go to buzzwords like "patriarchy".

im actually an ancom who really really really love ML aesthetics

I hate the working class and bydlos
But i also hate rightists

I don't think humanity can be trusted enough to enact socialism in the long term and I'm waiting for post-scarcity utopian communism supported via AI because anything else is likely to fall apart, though we may have to go full red earlier than we have the tech to sustain it just because of the current state of the world.

Tito was one of the reasons I became socialist. I mean, I haven't actually read enough Yugo history to have a firm grasp on it and say with confidence what was, and was not good for building socialism not that I'm particularly qualified to criticise.

I somewhat agree with this post.

Anarchism rejects institutional hierarchies. Capitalism contains them. Muray Rothbard even said "we are not anarchist".

anarchism isn't necessarily libertarian when implemented, just the system itself is designed to be. should the people in it decide to make it a highly authoritarian place then it will be so.

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I agree with all four of these.

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I agree with almost everything there

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How are planned economies retarded? If the central authority is reliably informed by the primary industrial workers, then it can work out very well. Still… command industries…

I agree with all of those except the youtube one

I cant think of a single reactionary group that will even come close to achieving that

Dont fall prey to the pol/ memes just yet bucko

Yes
Perhaps
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…if it's used centrally as a non-individualist optional uniting political force rather than an overarching obligation that ends in discrimination one way or another
good shit
fucking this
…unless it leads to rightism, like we see with the amalgam of church and state in right-wing authoritarian societies. Freedom of religion is a right and a necessity for any true leftist society but cannot be allowed to influence the structure and constitution of the central government, otherwise you're just heading toward the gulag.
this
Fuck you

This makes it sound as if anarchism is nothing more than liberalism.

People should have legit debate against pollacks, instead of "GET OUT REE"

I dislike a lot of the American Left and think leftism in america is, on the whole, shit.

Why?

The only way a leftist government will viably come into existence and sustain itself is with capitalism with severe liberal laws (labour unions, social security, huge tax rates on the rich etc).

There are too many useful idiots on the American left. All the loud idpol """feminists""" and such give the alt-right too much ammo to discredit the movement as a whole

..are following feminist theory. The same feminist theory you seem inclined to defend.

I believe that taxes should be raised, the money should be used to incentivize renewable, micro generation, and once everyone has a means to create their own power taxes should be lowered.

I also believe that the state should build a renewable energy plant and freely give the power to anyone who can't afford the micro-generation.

tl;dr: free centralized and affordable decentralized power.

I've waited a while to post in this, but whatever.

There has to be a happy medium, where anonymity and vote suppression aren't at odds with each other but help to raise discussion. Godammit.

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Most Jews are cancerous, they need to be re-educated on human rights and general decency. The same can be said about seppos.

"MUH MULTICULTURALISM" has proven to be a failure, just look at Western Europe. Multi-racial & multi-religious societies are fine, but there's a limit.

Holla Forums is partially right
sure smells koser in here.
Judaism will be wiped out along with all other religions with the rise of communism.

The fanatical Talmudist are the one that should go first do to the power they wield and threat they pose.

Christianity is cancer and christcuck socialists should not be considered comrades

proletarian feminism (Anuradhi Ghandy style) is correct and the leftypol line on "idpol" is wrong

*Anuradha

We should trick the anarchists into working with us during le revolucion. When we have won they should all be Gulag'd

Choose one tho

3edgy5me

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The Talmud is a book of debates, m8.

It's literally the equivalent of a book full of Supreme Court debates.

No really sure if unpopular, but things that I really need to get off my chest list:

insurrectionism is a valid and practical form of leftist revolution, moreso than vanguardism

I remember when that wasn't an unpopular opinion on this board.

Those were the days…

Leftists need to return to religion. Secularism may have been revolutionary 200 years ago when the church dominated all, but today it is very much a tool of the oppressor used to forced traditional societies into a neoliberal way of life. Religion in general is growing, not shrinking, in most places outside the US, and socialists would be idiotic not to use it.

Socialism is idpol, even though you can't choose your class - in the same way "black politics" is idpol (you can't choose your race either).

Socialists who complain about idpol ought to realise the hypocrisy.

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I don't really wanna get all no true scotsman, but modern feminism is hardly feminism. The goals that the first and second wave feminists fought for have been achieved, and the third wave is pretty much a nostalgia movement.

You are all abolishing human conflict with some petty justification upon which you build convoluted ideologies.

Yeah, but anyone who doesn't think this is basically retarded/regressive af tho. Bitches need more Adorno.

Then fucking don't

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Chomsky is right. Zizek is a posturing charlatan who says very little of actual value.

DAE in this moment i am euphoric?????????!!!!!?!?!?!????!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!??

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Goddamn this so hard.

1. Ideological purity fights have made you intellectual laughing stocks of the right and centrists. Who the fuck cares about your special snowflake marxist-leninism/anarcho-communism/{insert shitty dead guy ideology)?

2. Communism is fragile, it doesn't have the strength of a bottom top system like Swiss democracy, it can't handle shocks to the system.

3. The common interpretation is that communism failed because it did not line-up to human nature, disregarded incentives, free-market matters etc. But I have not heard any commentary attributing a share of the failure to the top-down implementation by gigantic states & the necessity of a large state for that –making nonlinearities & second order effects dominate.

The large state is qualitatively different from the very small municipal state, one in which people have visual contact with those implementing public policy. The large state brings fragility, the small municipality brings robustness. Just as there is a fallacy of aggregation, I believe in the fallacy of scale (because of concavities). Properties change with scale.

4. Jews are not sacred, neither are muslims.
Both should be harshly attack for their religions, as you leftist are delusional in thinking those people will convert to your previous ideology, and not drop it out of blind stupid devotion to their idiotic faith.

5. Idpol is bullshit, trannies are mentally damaged and unnatural, and have mutilated penises.
Feminism was funded by the Ford Foundation and post colonialism is bullshit. Who gives a flying fuck about "muh wonderful, pure, holistic culture"?
People from the third world want to escape their shit traditions, shit culture, want first world living standards. Guess what idpol morons, Uganda kills gays and Robert Mugabe argued that gay rights is "western imperialism" therefore killing gays and oppressing women is part of their culture and tradition. Culture and tradition are spooks.

6. The Left keeps failing to provide an economic alternative to our current capitalist society, and prefers bitching about those "poor muslims" and "poor trannies". I swear, even if muslims were killing off ugly SJW's, you people would attack anyone that would dare to criticize those poor "minorities". I swear, the Left is apologetic of Islam, it's terrorism, the Jews.

forgot my shitpost flag

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Communism (if you mean Soviet Socialism) is bottom top system (partially) modelled after Swiss direct democracy. Why do you think Lenin was in Switzerland when WWI happened?

monthlyreview.org/2013/03/01/china-2013/

Glorious Albedo-sama

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Unrestrained immigration hurts the working class, the labor market, like any market is subject to supply and demand, and like any market it needs to be regulated to protect the people. Flood the labor market with people with "lower life style expectations" and wages will stagnant or drop.

Men have the capacity to be more counter revolutionary than women.

show tits please?

show tits please?

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The lack of background is pure unoriginality. It reeks, it's fucking disgusting is what it is

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The irony

Not even an anfem or even anywhere close but this is true

I dont get your gripe with anarcho-syndicalism m'lad