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I seriously doubt it will ever open to begin with

They will have offshoots all over the country in five years, though, it will be hard to compete with Germany and the Netherlands since they pretty much legalized all kinds of prostitution.

I think Britain is a more moralistic country than Germany or the Netherlands. Not I really think things like this are a great idea.

I don't think it's any better/worse than any other kind of capitalist business

it's still wage labour, just using different body parts

C'mon guys it's 2016 isn't it about time women were afforded the opportunity to suck dick for cash.

is it really so different to any other kind of work?

maybe my perspective is a bit different, it's legal where I live and doesn't seem like anything special

I'd say you'd be a 5 minute max.

It is the UK and American posters don't really get how the "REE JESUS" voting bloc doesn't really exist in Europe

I expect it to last some time unless Theresa May decides to shut it down

Yes. Legal issues aside, prostitution isn't producing a good or service in the way a waiter or factory worker is, the prostitute is the good/service.

You can't produce a service. The prostitute's sexual act is a service.

doesn't really seem any different to any other service that doesn't produce physical goods

massages, pedicures and haircuts are simmilar simple human to human services not involving production, sale or transfer of goods

people just get weird about sex, like it's some horrible unnatural thing

as long as the blowjob girls run the business collectively it's fine
otherwise it's sleezy pretentious shit exploiting women

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KEK!

Capitalism Comodifing Everything.
It was only a matter of time, really.

The Absolute Madman!

I'm dying of laughter.

I actually thought of something similar to this before.

Except in a bar setting. And you get a blowjob or get to fuck a scantily clad waitress. Hooters with sex.

I've fucked prostitutes before (haven't had one in a long while). And whenever I was served by a hot waitress at a bar, I wished that "she" could be on the menu too. lol.

At any rate, prostitution is very expensive. It's not worth the expense. There are much cheaper dopamine hits to be had. Having sex with a hot girl that normally wouldn't suck/fuck you is a nice novelty. But it's overrated. And it does feel weird/unnatural. You just meet this person and in a couple minutes they're already sucking your dick. It's very weird. And they are the type of hot girls that you admired from afar in high school/college. Seeing them suck your dick feels very weird. And then afterwards you think to yourself "man $100, how many pizzas could I have bought with $100?"

How did you felt about It?
Because I'm always feeling like shit whenever I'm paying for sex. Humiliation is just too much for me.
I keep doing it, because they say it helps you keep your sanity, but I'm thinking my sanity is long gone anyway.

Without the waiter, you can't experience the use-value of the meal. Also in many cases the experience of being waited-on is part of the use-value. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

enough to make the next one charge $150

If the prostitute is an "individual contractor", shall we say, no, it's not work, it's a merchandising agreement. Time with their body in exchange for cash, no tax, no appropriation of surplus value, and it's (often) illegal. On the bright side, there's no exploitation.

If the prostitute is working for a business which offers sexual services, then there is appropriation of surplus value, there is tax being paid, and in which case the prostitute is a sex worker. For every dick sucked they're not getting the full value of their service returned to them, therefore there is exploitation.

Right. I get what you're saying. Let's work with the figure £50. Presumably that's for 15 minutes or half an hour. Why isn't it fair for the coffee shop to take a cut? They give her somewhere safe to work from, they offer their own unique service (hipster coffee is not a regular fixture of brothels). They'll also have other overheads (cleaning, power). Where's the exploitation?

The owner of the business does not actually produce the services consumed. It is his workforce which sucks the dicks and serves the coffee. The business owner, however, accrues the benefits in the form of profit, which is due to the appropriation of surplus value.

The appropriation of surplus value is possible due to the workers, in this case, sucking more dicks and serving more coffee than is necessary to provide for themselves; they work above and beyond what is necessary. They are paid a wage, which is only a fraction of the value they have actually produced. The former is linked to the latter. So it's a very sweet arrangement for the entrepreneur.

Now, of course, the usual argument is the entrepreneur has taken on risks and put up the capital necessary for the business to provide those jobs. Capital is gained from the appropriation of surplus value, which is possible due to private property – the entrepreneur, a capitalist, owns the business and thus the proceeds. So, yes, from that perspective there is no exploitation due to bourgeois social relations which stipulate that property owners are entitled to what the business produces.

So we have two sides here. One says that the business is productive because the capitalist has set it up, provided the jobs, taken on the risks, and is thus entitled to any profits due to being the owner. The other says that the capitalist has capital because it has accrued through the appropriation of surplus value through private property, and what's more property does not produce anything – it's the workers that produce value.

Neoclassical economic theory supports the former conclusions, Marxist or Marxian the latter. How I resolve this is issue is thus: why should workers accept the legitimacy of private property? Why do they have to accept the world as it is presented to them? They don't. Private property was a historical development which was bound up in the end of feudalism, a conflict which was long, bloody, and far from natural. Workers face a predicament where if they accept private property as natural they also face endless exploitation due to how bourgeois social relations have developed up to the present. The bourgeoisie faced a similar conundrum in regards to the aristocracy and resolved to change the world into one that reflected their interests. The proletariat must do the same.

That's only under harsh employment.

Though yes- let's ask the question how important tips are to them. Pun unintended.

It's the same service as you described, only it's a far more professional medical service.

It's not just a disguise, there's often some overlap between masseurs and sexual health physicians- including prostate massage, and hernia examinations.

What you describe is any system that won't treat a prostitute as a medical professional. They are not by default some commodity.

So, shit coffeeshops have finally gotten so expensive that they'll cut to the chase and blow me to justify their ridiculous prices?

I guess too many people complained about the exorbitant ammounts by asking if their chai latte soy whatever came with a suck of the dick.

Wait no but thinking about it, no wonder right wing reactionaries have so much traction nowadays, I mean this is some Futurama-tier dystopian capitalist bullshit.

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Under Capitalism, all sex is paid sex.

I fucked my gf this morning, in what way did I pay for it?

Kek

You had to pay for courtship rights by going out on dates, buying nice clothes to help attract her, maybe for contraceptives too.

If you had no job, no money and no prospect it would be incredibly difficult for you to get laid at all.

The waiter is providing a SERVICE. Same as a prostitute. He doesn't create anything. You could go and get the food yourself. He only offers the luxury of having it served to you.

NO MORE WAITERS!

It's exploitation, sure
but i don't see how being sexual in nature makes the exploitation fundamentally different than what happens in mines, factories, farms, etc.

I'm actually hoping that having stuff like this more in the open rather than hidden away in red light districts will help 'normalize' sex in the west

Y'all motherfuckers need Stirner.

How is this feminism

Commodities can be goods or services, it makes little difference from the perspective of value production.

:^)

Fun fact: Latte is a slang term for erect penis in german.

Socdems, not even once

what why

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