Why did Adorno hate jazz? His stuff about Jazz and Stravinsky has to be some of the stupidest writings about music I have ever seen. He completely missed the point.
He condemned jazz for creating a "new style that needed to be conformed to" while at the same time berating it for being a new style that didn't conform to the old. Did he think Beethoven or "serious art" wasn't conforming to cultural norms?
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Because he was a faggot.
It's just so incredibly odd for him to hate music of the same type he props up.
He didn't listen to Kamasi Washington.
why did the soviets hate jazz?
especially since teddy wilson was a communist and so were most black people who were into civil rights
they said it was bourgeois but it literally developed from slave music, at the same time the ussr promoted aristocratic classical music
Cognitive dissonance.
I didn't know the Soviets hated Jazz. Lost more of whatever respect I had for the Union.
because your mom is a filthy worthless cum bucket whore and they didnt hate jazz
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but I thought they were revisionist by then
what was the whole anti-cosmopolitan thing about?
This is actually pretty cool.
the soviet union banning jazz was more of a "we cant have our people know americans can make good music" thing than actual dislike for the music.
Can you agree with Adorno's analysis or art as a commodity under capitalism while also acknowledging he was a blowhard who had a hard on for bourgeoisie culture?
doesnt sound very internationalist tbh
I'm not a tankie, but why would 'socialism in one state' be internationalist?
k bruh
The Frankfurt school is shit and bad for us. He is our enemy.
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Do you find it funny that Hiter and Adorno shared the same opinions regarding art and culture?
but how does music, especially music of a culture in which educated people often supported or were sympathetic to communism, increase the risk of a state being infiltrated?
The eggheads who held power in that sphere of the Soviet union didn't have a ton of access to the genre, and were mostly exposed to the thoroughly gentrified Jazz intertwined with a culture of conspicuous consumption
Also you're going to die of cancer in 19 months, and we're all going to welcome it.
Stuff like Nat King Cole and Billie Holiday were still good even though they're pop.
i'll welcome it too
but if you thought i was that yuiposting tripfag i'm not, it's annoying how a character can be associated with that
"Jazz is a disharmonious anti-music that celebrates lust, sleaziness, drunkenness and every other abhorrent social filth. Jazz is nigger music."
-Theodore Adorno
damn dude Adorno really had it in for himself
Oh, so he was just racist.
did he really say that lol
Pretty sure its a fake quote
But why did he hate it then?
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why did he say it then???
He couldn't do dialectics.
Music born of the contradiction between tonal and atonal is some of the most exciting music ever. He went full Schönberg with no Stravinsky.
I think Adorno disliked "jazz" because it was for the post-war rich. Such as Sidney Bechet playing at the Rothschild mansion in Berlin.
Adorno ever meant young black american jazz. Even the Nazi's used swing-jazz for propaganda, listen to the lyrics of this: youtu.be
Adorno's early writings on jazz were poorly argued, yes, he even admitted so himself. Plus the only jazz he had heard was basically the commercial-tier pop music equivalent for the time in Weimar germany.
fuck off tbh
never go full retard
Nice intentional misunderstanding, cunt.
you should do what your flag says
wew i wonder if marxism is too middle class
If you think 12-tone compositions don't have inherent contradictions between often implied organised tonality and the supposed freedom the format gives, you really need to go watch some Bernstein lectures
XX:th century crisis?
I've seen them, boy
Then check your ears or something
or apply yourself w/e
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I've never read Adorno's writings on jazz but I think it's likely what he referred to as "jazz" is the more pop-oriented, commercially viable forms of jazz that were popular in the mainstream back in the '40s. The kind of stuff we retroactively call "pop standard" nowadays — processed jazz for upper-middle-class white people, if you will.
I have a hard time picturing Adorno talking shit about John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman or Charles Mingus.
He hated Stravinsky for some reason to.
Bernstein was a fan of stravinsky?
So much for being a nigger loving frankfurt school sjw cultural marxist, then.
Because he was a Nazi
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