Today I turn 50 years old. That's over 100 in goy years. As a birthday gift...

Today I turn 50 years old. That's over 100 in goy years. As a birthday gift, allow me to provide some perspective on something that the youth of Holla Forums have missed.

The Sierra Club and the Green party have long been successfully subverted into something other than their original intention of environmental-advocacy. Just like the Nature Conservancy and other vulnerable environmental organizations, the Sierra Club was targeted by that invasive (((ideological virus))) starting in 2001-03, with real effects by 2004. The monied elites funded a big push to alter the mandates of a number of large environmental advocacy organizations such that their advocacy in general would be equated with immigration and open borders. At the time, it was open memetic warfare in the environmental camps.

Prior to that, it was generally well known that immigration/border controls were an absolute environmental imperative, and that the exploding overpopulation of the third world was the most environmentally impactful issue facing mankind. Since then, history has been rewritten, the narrative coming from the Sierra Club and the Green Party has been one of open borders first, with hints of racism, resulting in jaded ex-environmentalists with nowhere else to go but the likes of Holla Forums.

Sierra Club:
capsweb.org/blog/how-sierra-club-was-hijacked-open-borders-radicals
grist.org/article/nijhuis-sierra/

Green Party:
ontheissues.org/celeb/Green_Party_Immigration.htm
gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=508

The DnC efforts over environmental issues have been enormous. Since some of you were still in diapers when this was going on, I can forgive you for not remembering the political bloodbath in those orgs. To emphasize exactly what happened: the monied corporate elites worked together with the revolutionary Left to subvert the environmental movement, and both (((interests))) gained by it. Now, every time hard objective scientific reason is replaced with knee-jerk reactions by people who have not studied the issue to any degree, a Leftist laughs at you for either seeding or parroting their discord. In truth complicated global climate changes are easily demonstrable, despite the overly loud denial coming from useful idiots on the Right, and regional/global overpopulation is the primary culprit in our own environmental self-destruction. These are scientifically verifiable facts which go unrecognized because elitists and Leftists took the reins of the environmental movement and twisted it to their own socially revolutionary purposes.

Because environmental degradation is happening, because it's an undeniable fact, it has become the ultimate magic-bullet of socialism. By hitching the socialist agenda to the environmental wagon, when an honest person objectively admits to the importance of environmental destruction, they are that much more likely to accept the socialist disease as well. By deliberate design, in organizations like the Sierra Club and the Green Party, and to a lesser degree in the Nature Conservancy as well, environmentalism has become equated with the open borders communist ideal.

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youtu.be/DrWznOFq38s
csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2013/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2
nature.com/nature/journal/v411/n6836/full/411469a0.html
wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/climategate-cru-looks-to-big-oil-for-support/
archive.is/T2YSK
archive.is/ZqUvs
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/02/17/big-oil-money-for-me-but-not-for-thee/
archive.is/yYB9M
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/04/11/the-wwfs-vast-pool-of-oil-money/
archive.is/zIx57
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/05/03/the-environmental-defense-fund-the-cia/
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2010/06/04/bp-greenpeace-the-big-oil-jackpot/
wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/04/bbc-pension-heavily-invested-in-oil/
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2010/11/29/the-royal-societys-big-oil-award/
wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/22/dana-nuccitellis-lie-of-omission-in-the-guardian/
notrickszone.com/2015/02/09/long-list-of-warmist-organizations-scientists-haul-in-huge-money-from-big-oil-and-heavy-industry/
ipcc.ch/
en.wikipedia.
lomborg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions).
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pädophilie-Debatte_(Bündnis_90/Die_Grünen)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brundtland_Commission
ww1.gogoanime
csiro.au
youtube.com/watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM&index=17&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP
greenmedinfo.com/article/contrails-reduce-daily-temperature-range)
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

We're a little busy with shitskins overrunning our countries to give a shit about evergreens.

This is a vector that hasn't been exploited very well by Holla Forums. If we can decouple radical leftism from environmental issues we could win many converts. The best method imo is to use this type of reasoning. Convince tree huggers that true unity on climate action can't occur while we're in the middle of demographic warfare.

As whites are the only people who care about the environment anyways it shouldn't be that hard of a sell.

Hell, that's most of the reason I'm even here.

If you truly give a shit about immigration, you should want to know where pockets of the pro-immigration crowd are hiding. They are not coming out in the open to promote illegals, but are hiding among other organizations, particularly environmental orgs, so that people might not notice them, or conversely so that people might turn away from environmental advocacy orgs in disgust. Either way, both the Leftists and the corporate elites win.

Bumping for interest and quality OP, which I'm capping for future use.

I don't have anything to add, however.

You dont get it

Most whites ignore or embrace the fact that they are being replaced
We should let them know that only the most white countries are in favour of preserving nature

Also normies are retards who think any kind of nuclear power is bad but windpower statios are green
When they have much nore higher impact

Wasn't environmentalism a facet of the National Socialist party? I recall they were quite big fans of preserving nature.

I always failed to see why the right doesn't try to do this anymore, protect the environment. It used to. And OP has a point, the third world is the greatest thereat to the environment.

So are CO2 emissions a problem or not

I hope you realize the NSDAP doesn't exist anymore and that "the right wing" is a madeup umbrella term.

Probably yes, but nowhere near on the scale that the scientists who make a fortune from climate change fearmongering want you to believe.

It's unfortunate that these people are actually harming the environmentalist cause; by trying to scare people with flawed statistics and misleading data, they're actually undermining people's concerns about pollution. The media tries to present there only being two possible positions: it's either "Climate change is a world-threatening crisis entirely caused by human activity, and we all need to stop using electricity or the arctic will melt and we'll all be underwater by Current Year +1" or "there is no such thing as pollution!"
Both of these positions are obviously silly, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

It can always be created again

Thanks for the post, OP. Great stuff. Who would have thought a hedge fund banker (((David Gelbaum))) would have bought off the Sierra Club to be open borders. I'm already using this on my SC member dad who always slid from me how mass immigration is the worst for the environment to give millions of shitskins access to First World lifestyles.

White people are the original environmentalists. Every major 'white' political movement that has developed has included concerns for the environment as part of its canon, though this usually takes a backseat to economic improvement, aka production. That's not to say that other peoples and Nations don't also get it, only that Whites are very environmentally conscious. Twisting our environmental advocacy orgs into open-borders advocacy orgs is just (((subversion))), pure and simple.


In general, greenhouse gases are filling the atmosphere to deleterious effect. Were all things equal, this could result in a runaway, global carbon cascade, as frozen methane from the Earth's biggest heatsinks, our oceans and tundra, is released into the atmosphere. In practice, there is more going on than just atmospheric heating… because our sun is also exhibiting some interestingly benign weather, resulting in coincident global cooling. Still, with increased carbon being introduced into the atmosphere, a runaway carbon cascade can result in the Earth being suitable for only thermophilic bacteria within just a couple of centuries. As I understand it, we have already past the point of no return, and need to start carbon sequestration.

The world is not ending tomorrow, but the more we put this off, the worse things are gonna get. It's abit of a leap for the uninformed to be able to make. The learning curve in this stuff is steep, but it's based on an abundance of hard science.

Back to cuckchan you little shit, this is literally a quality post, and before dismissing it you should at least check everything it brings to you.

Then by all means go ahead and easily demonstrate and scientifically verify it for us. You can't do that because it's all bullshit. Bogus statistical science without any real substantial dataset to work on, relying on mysterious "supercomputers." Funny how they're so consistently wrong with their prophecies.

Now, there are real environmental problems on this planet. Particularly pollution. And that is, real pollution, not CO2. Real poisonous biotoxins being pumped into the ecosystems and real habitats being destroyed. These are never coming back, and paying your carbon shekels to the UN so they can spend it on schools in Africa won't change shit. And while it's true that any budding real environmentalist movements have been butt-fucked every which way since the 60s, it has nothing to do with this illusory "climate change." The feudal corporate structure hates the thought of handling real environmental problems because it cuts into profits, and leftists hate it because they can't exert power over the plebs without the help of the corporations. Neither of the two power factions get their greedy and degenerate hungers sated from real environmentalism. Both factions are in complete symbiosis and needs a solution that works perfectly for both.

So that's why they love this totally unproven idea of climate change and shill it at every turn. Both left and right. By propping up CO2 as the boogieman, everyone is at fault. Everyone must be taxed, everyone must be regulated, everyone must pay for their sins. And by everyone I mean the plebs, everyone but the ones actually at fault. The corporate weasels weasel their way around it like always. Both power structures are happy, megacorporations can go on destroying the biosphere for their own greedy profit and leftists get tons and tons of bureaucracy to lay on their hated enemy the working class man.

You might think I'm a shill for "big oil" or whatever strawman leftist academic retards would like to pin on these heretical opinions, but I ask only this: show some fucking real scientific proof. Show that your models and your "supercomputers" are capable of predicting and verifying your kooky theories. You will never see this from these people. Only appeals to authority about how their science is way too advanced for a pleb like you to understand. Like priests proselytizing to the unwashed masses. That's a good analogy, for this is a religion for the 20th century.

And meanwhile, toxic polymers are pumped into the oceans at mach speed, and no one is talking about it, drowned out in a sea of whining about "climate change."

My background is in a few geology courses Ive took for leisure. Well our planet goes through natural phenomenons of glacial and interglacial periods, and what we are experiencing now has happened in the past, but we are slightly overdue for a glacial period. We contribute so little to co2 emmisions, so volcanos and other natural disasters(such as forest fires) add to the greenhouse effect. It's likely just a slightly longer period due to natural occurrences, and even millions of years ago, the earth has had a variety of periods much warmer than were at now. Yes, we are having a longer interglacial period then the few past ones, but this has happened before, and one thing nobody can confirm is that humans are responsible for this. In fact, this is one of the coldest interglacial periods earth has experienced in quite a while. Also, check out this co2 chart, notice anything that hasn't happened before? Of course not, these hippie faggots are capitalizing off natural occurrences, which nobody is educated in, and ticks me the fuck off mate.

Now those satan dubbs better tell some truth, and kek probably wills it.

First post is predictable as always. Not caring about the environment is one of the telltale signs of being a shitskin.

Assume we are the biggest contributor to CO2, yet the temperature is dropping. Wouldn't that be a feeding frenzy for winter-hardy plants to thrive? Wouldn't having all that surplus carbon actually benefit the plants?

Interesting. Thanks gramps and happy birthday.

I'd rather not get pulled into this argument over science, tbh. My (own years of original, professional, academic, grant and government funded, published) research was thorough, and both specific in findings and broad in implications. You can read all the climate change skepticism you want, but if you go to the source, the research, you might find something other than what you currently prefer to think. But again, that was not my original argument, and it's not the topic of this thread. Instead, the subversion of environmental advocacy orgs is.

The Sierra Club, the Green party, they are being used as yet another pulpit for pro-open-borders efforts. They are absorbing donations and volunteer hours given in good faith, and applying those funds for non-environmental purposes. On and on it goes.

The Sierra Club has been a joke since they thought global cooling was a dire threat and nuclear power was also going to destroy us

No they are not. At least not currently and with the incoming cycle of low sun activity. In 10 years we'll be back to "global cooling" again. Essentially we would have to go back to stone age living to make a 0.5 deg change over a century, that shits not gonna happen.

That doesn't mean we should pollute and spew all kinds of chemicals into the atmosphere and water tables.


I've found your angle to be the most effective at turning leftist against open borders.

Follow the money. Most leftist have an innate hatred of "the man" aka corporate influence. Frame carlos slim, sierra club donor, soros etc. etc. as the "man" who is trying to control their political system. The fact that more people = more environmental damage is self evident but most people haven't been presented with that argument in the first place.

Well, that's fine and it's true. It's a huge problem and should be highlighted. These movements are priority one targets for subversion by the system because they are so incredibly dangerous to it. But people reading this should realize that "climate change science" is a huge part of that subversion. It's a strawman made by bogus science that shifts the narrative into something they can control.

You can tell a real environmentalist movement from a false one very easily. First off all the former is going to be called "terrorists" by the system. They will target real and concrete things, things that are easily observed without incomprehensible and vague ideas. Like someone destroying a real forest, or someone putting real poison into the ground.

Yeah I bet. The problem is that there is no science. Statistical conclusions without a real data-set isn't science. You appeal to authority about your research, but it all comes back to this. As you seem to like it for an argument, I'll mirror it back to you; I am not unconnected to the academies myself and I am not a young naive man.

One thing that chronically pains environmental movements is that the EPA is used as a boot to punish political opponents and environmental regulations in general prohibit growth.

So in practice we have: "Oh you didn't donate to Clinton Foundation? Well then your development plans are denied because we have to protect these puddle shrimp." followed soon after by "Thank you Americans for preserving your environment so well for us Chinese who have now purchased it from you after spending decades outproducing you because we did not tie our own hands with such regulations."

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kill yourself

Anthropogenic climate change is a hoax.

youtu.be/DrWznOFq38s

But yes, global warming is a government program designed to enrich the (((elite)))

In this, academie user hits the nail on the head. Western science has always been nebulously centered on consensus, but more people = more environmental degradation is as self-evident as it can be. With science, we can quantify the amount of decimation each new immigrant brings, which viscerally exemplifies how damaging immigration in a manner which even blunt normies can grasp.

But that's not what Prof. Goldstein told me!!!

But environmentalists are normalfags

In other words, whatever sort of organization is proposed to protect the environment shouldn't be a boot of the executive branch, nor should it restrict growth in the name of trivialities. Since ultimately, the environment will come to much more harm if America is no longer able to compete with the rest of the world.

Hopefully you work for the Trump administration.

This seems very infograph related

I think this has some good potential to get the progressives to "work" with us better, depending on how the groundwork is set up. We might even get them to set their sights on influencing foreign nations, which can also be taken advantage of in other ways instead of doing nothing but whining about smaller, local communities and only going as far up as to their country.

For example, if any politician/future president/etc. decides to start playing the "pro-environment" card, they would need to actively undermine the current powers that be that focus on such topics and offer a better solution, one that will have immediate tangible effects. If someone can create a tangible truth from the result of a pro-green initiative, then surely it would help combat the current narratives that (((they))) push and progressives so easily follow. At the very least, less political individuals will greet these new changes because they aren't suicidal and enjoy better standards of living. At least in America, making public water not suck might start help pushing people towards such thinking. Since people would start to see such effect in their lives, they naturally won't be as critical of their country and then you can launch attacks on other countries like China that can be so easily aesthetically awful when it comes to looking clean. For the environmentalists, they get what they want on a global scale and for the more shrewd, you could get a foreign country to benefit you more.

Ultimately, I think the goal is to undermine and flip perspective on the current status quo that's being peddled. I think the best way to strip the magical bullet would be to make it so that a nation's people have the perspective that they are doing everything in their power to make their home better and can see the results. Once that happens, it'll gradually strip more and more, in a similar way to legacy media I imagine. I still have concerns as to using progressives though, I can't really tell if they are a vocal minority or if they're a big enough group in western countries. The bigger they are, the more difficult the conflict will be to chip away these bad memes. I'd like to think they're just a loud minority though.

Are there any nature conservation organizations that aren't pozzed? I joined trout unlimited and they seem alright, don't entirely agree with their stances on fed land ownership and the use of Rotenone to kill off non-native species, but I can at least understand the why

The narrative of manmade global warming actually helps Big Oil in a number of ways and with a few exceptions like Koch industries, big oil is the biggest donor to Carbon Restriction efforts and the Sierra Club, Chevron donated $10 million to the Sierra Club at one point. AGW myth benefits big oil in a number of ways:
1.) Coal, a major competitor of oil companies, produces more carbon than oil production, Co2 taxes allow them to squeeze their competitors out of the market, and since they get billions in subsidies from tax dollars, the carbon taxes they pay end up in their pocket anyway, thus killing any energy competition that isn't entrenched in our political system with big lobbying representation.
2.) Carbon Credits are a securitization scam to make monetized securities literally out of thin air, like CDOs except worse because CDOs at least were based on real assets even if those assets were inflated. They do not incentivize green practices since they can be shorted or turned into derivatives and it is just as easy to profit from Co2 increase as a Co2 decrease.
3.) These carbon taxes would disproportionately affect industrialized western nations, crippling their economies and accelerating globalism and white genocide.
4.) Carbon taxes are paid to the UN according to the Paris Summit, with a source of global taxation and sufficient ability to project force through supranational means, NWO can be accelerated.
5.) All economies are based largely on physical energy, by regulating and collectivizing energy through a carbon taxation/regulation scheme it give (((central banks))) even more artificial scarcity which can be exploited for profit and control via usury. Arguably control over energy sources affords even greater power to (((international meddlers))) than even central banking and control of money supply.

tl;dr Global Warming is a hoax, and even if it isn't any and all regulations stemming from claims of AGW need to be resisted at all costs because of their danger to national sovereignty, economic prosperity, freedom, and whites.

Some thoughts on criteria by which the impacts of immigration can be measured. Standards could include:

1. amount of agriculture required to sustain each new immigrant, in terms of acreage dedicated to supporting that one individual, animals slaughtered, and agricultural oil used
2. average increase in annual energy expenditure as the person moves from the third world lifestyle to that of the first world
3. number of trees and/or amount of forest chopped down to support that one person's entrance to the Western world
4. in map context, expected regional carrying capacities vs. currently and expected pops
5. impacts of third world pop growth on previously measured environmental indices in third world Nations

could probably go on

As always, what Liberals believe is literally the exact opposite of reality.
csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2013/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2

I've noticed that the orgs that are targeted by these change agents tend to be the largest in scope. Smaller orgs are less targeted because they have less influence.

Very good post, captures the game they are playing well. The best part is that they've couched their plans in a hoax conspiracy, which once again is the opposite of reality, that Big Oil is somehow standing in the way of CO2 initiatives, when as you say, they are the ones fucking paying for it.

The cost of cleaning up their sites/paying the carbon tax is pennies compared to the amount of money they will make with lower tariffs, larger customer bases, and 0 competition in their envisioned Globalist utopia.

The whole thing is about putting agreements and policies in place between countries so that the bodies governing them can metastasize into a One World Government, the same way their trial run of the League of Nations turned into the UN; a level of government above the federal level with unelected officials running the show. This is the Jew's "conquest" of our nations, through deception and treachery, since they lack strength and heroism.

We know, question is, is it man made. Also, its not really overpopulation but lack of farmland, requiring forests to be destroyed to make food land.

Global warming is natural process we may be helping it along a little, but not much.

CO2 fertilization is restricted by nutrients available in the soil. From Nature, March 2001:

nature.com/nature/journal/v411/n6836/full/411469a0.html

Basically, CO2 fertilization is a thing, but it only really works in forests with rich soil. Because the vast majority of forests have relatively poor soil, however, observations have not supported the hypothesis that increased foliage will sequester surplus CO2.

In other words, thinking that CO2 fertilization will make the problem go away is magical thinking. Carbon concentrations are rising, they're dragging global mean temperatures up with them. You are a gullible faggot.

Loving every single laugh. Two essentially test tube experiments and extrapolation vs. 30 years of satellite data, which by the way demonstrates most of the greening taking place in arid/desert environments.

You do understand that there was a point at which the carbon which is now tragically locked away under the Earth was once part of the ecosystem, right? You do understand that we, White men, are the greatest force of good on the planet for disrupting this process which has been leeching away biochemical energy for hundreds of millions of years, right?

You keep it up with your prestigious nature magazine publications, not that it isn't a propaganda rag for the very Globalists we face, while I'll continue to use my eyes.

The open boarders is about destroying the nation state and reducing the standard of living of the people, to move those resources to the third world… of course that exacerbates the problem.

Real issue is they need to stop fucking so much. The west is under population reduction programs like china and India are. Once our birth rate lowered, they pushed immigration to keep the economy going.

no.

go to realclimatescience.com to see the communist fraud exposed.

Bong here.

Have never seen true nature.

Can you Americanons please post pictures of your natural wildernesses?

This is a very good thread.

On the contrary, we are almost entirely responsible for the warming of the past 130 years. The climate was actually cooling for centuries before the Industrial Revolution, but the "Little Ice Age" ended around 1890 and swung back up, almost certainly because of carbon emissions by human civilization.

To break it down:

>Human-caused emissions total close to 10 billion tons a year. This is WAY less than natural sources, but it's 10 billion tons more than the world's ocean/atmospheric systems are able to handle. Thus, the net concentration increases year over year.

Literally none of this is in dispute by actual scientists who aren't getting paid by an oil company. Zero dispute. Zero argument. We know the chemistry involved, we know the physics, and we can measure the results, both in temperature and chemical makeup of the air and the acidity of the water. The only areas of uncertainty are where the feedback mechanisms fail and when the threshold is crossed to a new thermal equilibrium. We may already be past the point of no return, or we might be close, or we might have a long way to go. That's where the research is being done now, not on the non-questions of "is there global warming" or "are we driving it"?

stay inside where it's safe

ENVIRONMENTALISM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING, WHICH ISNT HAPPENING

Your using numbers that are its root are corrupt. The climate models are correct, but the underlying data is a fraud. That is why they never match up with observations.

I will post articles from 1910 where ((((scientists))) are freaking out about melting Ice caps. Its just like the 6 million scam.

Pure sophistry and deranged faith in failed models and measurements with compelling alternate explanations. As for "muh big oil", Climate Change (formerly global warming) research is funded predominantly by big oil.

Reported for believing in climate change.

Managed to discredit your post in a single sentence. Well done.

Reported. Temperatures are not rising. Global warming is not real.

Oh my goodness, really? Well, if an unsourced anonymous person says so, I guess I have to stop trusting peer-reviewed scientific literature. It's probably all gotten up by the Jews, amirite?

Commander Rockwell himself was proud of saying that "National Socialists believe in science." Well, goy, there's the fucking science for you. The science of the greenhouse effect has been understood for over 100 years. The large-scale effects of industry have been known for 50. You want to be famous? Do some research (actual research, not Googling shit) and publish a rebuttal paper. You'll be the richest creationist in the world after that.

In the meantime, innuendo about climate science conspiracies will not overturn decades of work in the fields.

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you are just plain wrong. are you not aware of all the failed predictions and failed models?

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I guarantee, you aren't in STEM whatsoever.

That'll do the job, faggots. I'm sorry for triggering you. Be sure and bring your arguments into the world beyond Holla Forums and enjoy winning when you've got the facts on your side.

Look, faggots – this isn't a commie plot. We really are emitting a lot of carbon that the environment can't handle. It's driving temperatures up. Jews can still be evil, and liberals can be huge cocksuckers, but the way to beat them is not to argue when they're right about something.

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But it is made up by the Jews.

moar co2 is good. plants absorb it and in turn produce oxygen. man mande climate change is a farce and a spectre used to control us with needless and destructive policy. this is oming from a guy that has worked in the nursery industry for 6 years now and i grew up with common sense. conserve the enviroment and be a good steward of it but fuck off with climate change

The entire AGW hypothesis depends on feedback between Co2 and Water Vapor. Air humidity traps much, much, more heat than Co2 and the hypothesis is that if there is positive feedback between Co2 and evaporation than runaway warming is a foregone conclusion. The fact that there are ambiguities in feedback, as you admit, means that the entire hypothesis is suspect, and since humidity and water evaporation/condensation varies massively by day, hour, and region, existing climate models based on the positive feedback hypothesis vary massively from alarmist projections to innocuous and minor warming.


Climate Denial shilling is only pursued by Koch industries who are behind the curve on social engineering and profiteering. The exact opposite is happening, the biggest proponents of AGW hypothesis and the carbon credit scam are big oil:

wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/climategate-cru-looks-to-big-oil-for-support/
archive.is/T2YSK
archive.is/ZqUvs

nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/02/17/big-oil-money-for-me-but-not-for-thee/
archive.is/yYB9M
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/04/11/the-wwfs-vast-pool-of-oil-money/
archive.is/zIx57
the EDF, Environmental Defense Fund, who also has good relations with the CIA for some reason:
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/05/03/the-environmental-defense-fund-the-cia/
Conservation International and Nature Conservancy, two pro-AGW groups (they got millions from BP):
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2010/06/04/bp-greenpeace-the-big-oil-jackpot/
the BBC, big AGW propagandists in the UK, their pension funds are heavily invested in oil companies:
wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/04/bbc-pension-heavily-invested-in-oil/
The UK's Royal Society, they had something called the Royal Society Esso Energy Award for 25 years:
nofrakkingconsensus.com/2010/11/29/the-royal-societys-big-oil-award/
'Skeptical Science' an anti-AGW skeptics group, via Dana Nuccitelli the propagandist who writes for the Guardian. He works for a company – Tetra Tech – that does business with oil companies (and he has called for a carbon tax, a pure coincidence of course):
wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/22/dana-nuccitellis-lie-of-omission-in-the-guardian/
There's a short ist here of pro-AGW groups or universities who have received oil money:
notrickszone.com/2015/02/09/long-list-of-warmist-organizations-scientists-haul-in-huge-money-from-big-oil-and-heavy-industry/

WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT CHEKING DUBS

So the Jews are tricking scientists in every country, across half a century, in every peer-reviewed scientific journal? And they're doing this so smoothly that the only way to catch them is to be a high school graduate who likes InfoWars?

If this was in the realm of possibility, I'd advise surrender to them now. They're clearly superhuman.

Or. . . Maybe collectivist Jews are using a very real problem to push their fucking communist agenda, while industries with a lot of money on the table are paying another, different set of PR industry Jews to tell the opposite lies for profit? Maybe it doesn't help to politicize the issue, because the carbon isn't going anywhere, and we're not taking advantage of the time we have to come up with gentle, non-destructive corrections for the current carbon economy?

The only way forward is to acknowledge the problem exists, calibrate how serious it is, propose solutions that won't devastate whole economies, and then gas the kikes. But we can't even start on that while it's a point of Aryan pride to never believe what some faggy scientist tells you. Don't make this our Waterloo – climate change denial is as unscientific and dumb as creationism. Do not make the right wing the faction of magic and myth.

This is actually pretty disturbing. It's as if some yid figured out how to make an economy out of petrochemical companies' bullshit, and then pointed their paid liars in the actually-correct direction. If it was a kike, I doff my hat. This is very clever, though I'm not sure how good an idea it is to make lying (and coincidentally working to reduce harmful emissions) profitable.

You keep chanting this and similar as if it's a magic spell to alter reality. The Jews set themselves up as gatekeepers for anything that can be used to reach their Globalist goals, including science journals. Academia was one of their first targets, and the easier sciences such as biology and ecology were hardest hit- at this point they are nearly completely subverted.

You have been blown out on every single basic bitch point you've brought to the table. Go rest that headache you undoubtedly have by this point and work through your cognitive dissonance, because you're done here.

wew laddy

Its pretty easy, cut all funding and isolate anyone who disagrees with you, which happens all the time to deniers.

And then those who still disagree they just bump off.

You have posted nothing but lazy appeal to authority and bare assertion ITT. Please address/refute the falsifying data here:

Or kill yourself please. Making constant appeal to authority about "science" and refusing to address contradicting data gathered with the scientific method is hypocritical faggotry of the highest order. Kike conditioning is entrenched in your brain hole, nigger. Break it before it breaks you.

This, science corruption is very pervasive, just see how effectively they have suppressed the scientific reality of race and HBD in favor of Frank Boaz's subversive sophistry. Why is it not possible that the same subversion occurs in Climate Science?
Vid related. "Scientific consensus" means shit, only thing that matters is raw data and experimentation which is often obfuscated or outright fabricated by these "scientists"

Hug a tree, cuck.

REMEMBER TO REPORT EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN AGW

Actually a fuckton of people do, but nobody's reporting it (and if, then as nothing more than crazy conspiracy theorists).
They're tricking many more people with the holohoax. Peer review is garbage. And it's more like 10-20 years - one generation. Guess where this generation studied? At kiked universities.
What a surprise.

Nigger detected.

Because that was CTR and other paid shills when they were raiding the board. Haven't you noticed fewer shitposts like that since Trump won? "Dubs" has always been paid shills.

Nah, reporting people who disagree with you is gay, there are a lot of newfags who haven't had AGW conditioning washed out of them yet and they should be allowed to get BTFO and redpills.

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING YOU ARE A SHILL
This is literally the only thing that you AGW faggots EVER SAY. EVER. AT ANY TIME. "Durrrrrrrrrrrrr disagreeing isnt wrong durrrrrrr" It is when all the data proves you wrong, kike.

Environmentalism is pretty much a kike scam. They want to tax the shit out of you so they can fund their "green" businesses (no sane person would buy that overpriced shit unless forced by the government) and they want to make economies noncompetitive as such technologies are very inefficient.

Of course, their main tool for achieving this is virtue signalling, as usual.

Total nonsense. Environmentalism is the anti-kike. AGW is their scam.

I've not seen a single one that hasn't developed into a anti-capitalist, anti-industrialization, pro-commie or pro-marxist organization. Then again these fuckers the same ones who whine about "global warming" and then protest nuclear power.

No.
The climate changes, has changed and will be changing. This has anything to do with co2 in general and especially anything to do with man-made co2. Today's (((climate scientists))) fabricate models that fit the narrative in order to enable co2-certificates and the monetarization of everything that produces co2 (basically everything).
The mere thought that a gas which makes of 0.03% of the atmosphere has any impact on reflecting sun rays is ridiculous. Just research who profits from co2 legislations and you propably will end up with a bunch of nwo globalists kikes. When they are not stopped we will end up basically with a tax for merely existing and breathing out co2. They don't give a flying fuck about our planet. It's all about the monetarization of being alive. And of course: Who could have anything against saving this blue marble, amirite? Only tinfoilers could argue against this. Such evil destroyers of humanity.

Yes, that's why fucking Rothschilds and their barons like Soros are leading the green movement. What could we do without these wise philanthropists.

You want to be competitive by using "dirty" tech? Bad goy, think of muh planet!

You don't want to give up on every joy in life and become a mindless hippie zombie? Bad goy, think of muh planet!

You don't want to buy our overpriced technologies despite all the hype? Bad goy, we must tax you and forbid you from making economically rational choices!

co2 feeds plants moron. we actually want MOAR. it makes trees grow big and strong and in turn gives us oxygen. learn to science.

MOAR CO2 IS BETTER

My mom from N Cali has said this before too, that the Sierra Club used to be about preservation of our national forests and benign unpolitical matters that we all agree on. Everyone here likes the national forests that T Roosevelt started to preserve. But now they are Jewish and pro immigrants burning down our national forests and dumling chemical wastes at the base of the redwoods, leaving trash in their wake, graffiti everywhere. So sad that we're being invaded by people who were never taught to respect nature and not litter or lite forest fires.

See, when shills get to frame reality, it's easy to make something sound ridiculous. Throw in some effeminate shaming into the bag and it's good to go.

If you look around a bit you'll find that there is far from any consensus about this topic, even in the research communities. It's just that only one side gets Jew media as their mouthpiece and funding from the communist infrastructure. Hell, half the faculty at my university is as skeptical as I am, but you just have to let the retards of these new "sciences" like climatology and gender studies run around and do their thing because their presence is mandated by the state.

Shaming and appeals to authority. The true sign of a feminized Jew lackey. Always keep asking them: show me a real data-set to base your retard statistics on. Show that your predictions work. Show something beyond hot air and hubris. Make no mistake, this is the emperors new clothes and every single person you'll meet pushing the "climate science is realz" agenda is either a moron who can't into science or a commie shill.

Yeah, and the holocaust is real. I'll just copy paste your own first sentence: "So the Jews are tricking scientists in every country, across half a century, in every peer-reviewed scientific journal? And they're doing this so smoothly that the only way to catch them is to be a high school graduate who bla bla bla bla"

Obviously the holocaust was real. Obviously there can't be misinformation penetrating the whole of society, because someone could NEVER trick and compromise that bastion of integrity that is our modern universities.

Yeah yeah, we must pull together for the common good. Pay those carbon shekels serf. (Don't mind us while we pollute the ocean and fill your country with immigrants,) as long as those shekels keep flowing into the UN the world will be saved.

Get fucked.

We'll there's various types of gasses(including co2) in our atmosphere that help contain the heat, and make it warm enough for us to inhabit this planet. It's essentially the greenhouse effect which contains heat that radiates off the surface - just like a car that has been sitting in the heat, as the interior will be of higher temperature than the exterior.

You're mentally ill and have no idea what you're talking about. Don't enter a conversation when you don't know what the words used therein mean.

Sieara club is hardcore population reduction people.

Well put. They want to make you pay, or at least feel guilty for merely existing.


Not an argument. Gas yourself kike.

I hope your being ironic about the holocaust. Yes, many people died in here work camps by disease(typhus), or to purge them from existence is unclear as to if it could even be considered a holocaust. The numbers are definitely exaggerated for sure though.

Happy birthday, OP. I think Ann Coulter touched on this in once of her books, and I appreciate you going into this in more depth.

Yes. Perhaps I'm not very good at sarcasm in English, it's not my first language. My point is that the argument that you can't make a lie appear as truth to a large amount of people is just bullshit. Like the holocaust, and like many other lies that have been considered gospel truth by all of society both now and many times before in history.

There's a lot more to environmentalism than global warming, as the NSDAP itself understood in the 30s.
It's the ravenous shitskin that seldom contemplates the ecological footprint of his actions. His foul diarrhea complexion hiding a feeble mind that is merely concerned with breeding more worthless unproductive offspring and devouring the natural wealth of the planet solely to satisfy his own gluttony. With no higher goals or purpose in mind.
The shitskin, unlike Whites, simply moves on to greener pastures whenever he finds he's destroyed his environment, and failing that is perfectly content with soiling in his own filth. (See India, Africa, Brazil and all other subhuman hives)
Unlike the Whites, who've cherished and preserved their environment for millennia, the shitskin is totally unable to live in balance with nature. Resulting in frequent devastating famines, mass extinctions and the complete destruction of their native habitats. (See Australia, Northern Africa, India, Middle East, and recently China and Latin America)

What they are doing is not eugenics, as under a proper eugenics program most of these rats would be the first ones to go. This is what happens when you get a bunch of anti-human psychopathic golems running the world. And i hope for this planet to turn into another Mars so this subhuman trash don't get their "golden age"

What's ironic is that it is these very kikes that have ruined the environment so they can get on the top, and they now want to save it for themselves and their bastard offspring, again, on the expense of everyone else. Well, they might be a little late.

This. And that's why the overpopulation angle is bogus as well. It's right if you consider multiculturalism inevitable, but you could perfectly fine have 100 billion nature loving white people living on this planet without any problems whatsoever.

While I agree with you, I would like to point out how hazardous the Thames in London is. Even as far back as the 1600s it was a waste dump. Industrialization and modern processes haven't made it any cleaner either

Of course, let's ignore that it is exactly these (((white people))) who have enjoyed the depletion and destruction of other continents the most.

Let's ignore that Amerilards are the greatest consumers in the world.

They just use it to accomplish their goals.

Its life feeds on life, they use the devils hack to master the matrix. The snake eating its tail.

They think they will merge with machines so they don't really care about the environment.

They want to create their ecological paradise with animals and niggers running in it's garden while they oversee it and occasionally hunt them. The entire plan is quite Talmudic. Of course, they think that this planet is their private property, and they want to get rid of most goyim, whom they see as useless eaters. Environmentalism is just another virtue signalling mass propaganda to achieve that. Because the green scare only dis-empowers the goyim. They are basically taking away all the means that allowed them to get to the top.

Ice core data shows atmospheric CO2 concentrations, that and lake sediment. The trouble is determining whether or not the data was massaged/faked. It's legit science, but not if the jews faked the data.

If the jews win it'll inevitably lead to the death of all life on earth. They think they can control everything, and just like an over-pruned plant, if they attempt to control the planet, it will die. That is part of their plan though, the Moloch worshippers want only death and destruction.

I would love to see the people of POL to understand how immensely important the environment is.

I don't know man. I think they're easier to see nowadays. People just don't pay any attention. All the protestors have signs with the logos of socialist organizations right on them, but everyone misses that and just thinks its for the poor black people.

Nitrous Oxide and Methane levels also show a clear correlation with the rise in global temperatures.
The Green movement really has been hijacked, and it should have been obvious ever since they started pushing for open borders, foreign aid and against nuclear power.

I don't remember Ralph Nader ever being for open borders and in fact was against illegal immigration

So called "leftists" using issues as mere social signals applies to far more than environmental issues tbh. Its everything to them. They don't actually give a flying fuck about the things they post on facebook. Especially girls trying to impress men with how "aware" they are. Case in point is this indian protest thing. I guarantee no one gives a real fuck.

Bump, because this is quality thread with a good OP.

They are trying to obtain social/political capital that way, most of them are sociopaths with zero regard for anything other than their own ego.

The real problem are kikes funding them to spin a web of slave morality.

Anyway, the earth has enough natural mechanisms to rejuvenate itself.

OP IS A FAGGOT

GREEN PARTY UNDER NADER WAS AGAINST OPEN BORDERS

IT WAS (((JILL SOROS STIEN) WHO HAS CHANGED THIS

Fine, even assuming the numbers they pull out of this are not bogus, now prove that co2 concentrations accumulate in ice the way you presume, consistently over thousands of years. Prove that the composition of ice remains stable over thousands of years. I could go on and on.

The problem with this form of untestable "science" is that it makes assumptions. It might be right, but it might just as well be wrong. The real answer is of course that we don't know. No one have observed ice for 100.000 years in a controlled environment so your hopes and dream about how it works is just that.

Now that's one thing. As a thought experiment it's perhaps interesting at best. As a foundation for building a repressive communist system upon it's obviously madness in the highest degree.

It's legit science by modern standards. During the age of enlightenment, when science was codified, it would not be considered legit science, because then theories were expected to be testable before just skipping some steps and assuming they were true.

Statistics have always been known to be as good as the data you put into it. This lesson has been conveniently forgotten by this new breed of scientists who try to justify all their socialist dogmas with it.

If we ever get to another period of rationality and real science the word "science" as it relates to the common usage today will have about the same connotations as voodoo or something like that.

Nice (((civic nationalism))) you got there Chaim.

Your tumblr white girl photo doesn't change the fact that you're a faggot.

The ice core data is questionable too. They aren't measuring the concentration of co2, they use some isotope of oxygen that has a half life appropriate for the time frame they are studying and assume co2 levels follow that.

Very accurate point there I'd say. I hope things are changing. Over this Thanksgiving weekend I mentioned to a couple different friends at different times how Israel is on fire right now. Both responses were "Good." Kikes mighta went too far recently.

They really truly are. I knew one far left leaning kid who would make a great "nazi" (I use this term in the pozzed sense of how normies see it) if only he was not indoctrinated in the other direction. What I mean by that is they are totally unable to accept others' opinions, and if you are at a lower social status than them, they will mercilessly rip into you and denigrate you with insults. Really horrible people. The good thing about right views is that to properly thinking people, they actually make inherent sense.

The only thing you're busy doing is sucking your mom's titty.

WTF is wrong with you little larpers? Nader was against what OP said. The green party was infiltrated by Soros. That was my only point. You trigger happy bitches

Happy birthday user. Heartfelt congratulations on reaching the bullseye. Heres to another 50 years.
Born on this day too:
1953 Hilary Benn, British politician
1827 Alfred Moore Scales, Brigadier General (Confederate Army), (d. 1892)
1288 Emperor Go-Daigo of Japan (d. 1339)

Environmental propaganda and jewing destroyed the forestry industry in Canada, where instead places like South America flourishes.

What are peoples opinions on other aspects of environmentalism besides the rising levels of CO2?

Things like introducing different kinds of pollutants into different ecosystems, like micro-plastic, heavy metals, hormone disruptors etc.

How serious are these issues, seeing as the don't seem to have nearly the same political/media interest behind them as global warming?

Alotta people were against open borders for environmental reasons, not just Ralph Nader. Restricting immigration into the wasteful modern world was (and still is) a no-brainer for any real environmentalist to see. That was what the fight was about - whether the environmental advocacy organizations would focus on environmental advocacy, or whether they would be used as a tool for open-borders, immigration advocates. Because they didn't know (((who and what))) they were dealing with, they lost control of their organizations.


Thanks user, it is a milestone passed, and still I keep looking forward.

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Wise words and an admirable outlook. Cheers.

It's pretty damn serious. Not in an immediate life or death sense, or even a the sky is falling sense, but serious none the less. Speculating wildly (no one has a system to predict the future, no matter what the kikes would have you believe,) the path of man if this continues is one of unpredictable mutation, of which cancer and sterility appears to be the most common.

I'm always reminded of the cautionary tale of a Roman city, who built all their waterworks of lead. It was extremely practical, an abundant, durable and malleable substance to work with. A couple of generations later most of them went insane and died. I don't know if it's a true story, but the message is true nonetheless. Should be pretty obvious that exposing yourself and your environment to lots of new shit without testing it out for generations first is completely unpredictable.

Well, in one sense you can say we are those generations being the lab rats right now. Still, life on this planet and even humanity in some form will go on, even if we destroy civilization. It might even be a good thing.

lunatic feminist zarna joshi admits she's funded by the sierra club.

Thanks for the post and information, grandpa. I see now that it's important that we not only take back the narrative about race and sociological differences, but the talk about environmentalism as well. I'm always appreciative whenever someone comes along and takes time out of their day to teach me something, though I'm baffled as to why you'd spend time on a chinese morse code scanlation checklist with anime autists like myself.

Most "leftists" (liberals) I know are petit bourgeois sheltered daddy's boys and girls who utterly abhor poor people and the working class. All the "humanitarian" activities that they partake in are just a way for them to signal to each other how better they are than the ordinary man, and a way to profit on someone's sympathy. That includes 90% of "environmentalists" You will more often than not find these superbly moral benefactors peddling "ecological" merchandise or doing "projects" on the expense of your tax money. And it is for this sole reason that I oppose it.

And they only do that because they have nothing else to show off. They all wish to be the evil capitalists exploiting everyone and everything, but since they don't have the "muscle" to do it openly, they resort to jewy passive-aggressive dirty fighting and emotional manipulation. That's why they never actually challenge the system, they just look to find their own place inside it.

this is good. I know a lot of greenies that are completely anti-immigration, and become increasingly "racist" as the impending threat to the environment of third-world birthrates and open-border liberal faggots becomes more obvious.

Ice core data correlates with sediments, fossils and radiocarbon/radioisotope dating. Unless you want to go get a few spare earths so the sample size goes up, it's the best we're going to get. What pisses me off is that people don't realize that pro/anti global warming is a pilpul psy-op. If you don't believe in it then oil companies get to pollute like motherfuckers, if you do, then you get taxed out the ass while the companies go pollute in china. Carbon credits are complete bullshit. You faggots keep falling for this jewish trick of controlled opposition. The kikes have their hands up the asses of both sides of this "argument" and control the discussion. So you retards throw the baby out with the bathwater because "hurr science is hard."

You want to know the real redpill? Neither side of the global warming kike narrative EVER talks about actual thermodynamic efficiencies. Neither one is for electrification of existing non-electrified dams, neither one is for nuclear power, and watch their asshurt if you suggest funding research into fusion.

Check'd.
Happy birthday oldfaganon.
Have a bump.

Oh, also don't forget that if we DO get fusion, then we'll have to figure out if it produces so much excess heat that we get global warming anyway simply due to thermodynamics, or if the planet can compensate for the increased energy production. Also, any push towards batteries and hydrogen actually results in a net loss of hydrogen out of the atmosphere into space, so who knows what effects that will have in the long term. You fags know that quite a number of batteries leak hydrogen gas, right? And that it escapes irretrievably into space? Same thing with helium, but the pro/anti global warming kikes never talk about that.

Things they never talk about:
Nuclear
Fusion
Hydrogen loss
Helium loss
Dam electrification
Thermodynamic efficiencies
Methane (although they're starting to push the methane narrative now, fifteen years later now that people are sick to death of "muh CO2," but it's convenient because they can still keep asking for "carbon credit" taxes)

There's a bunch of other shit going on as well, but it's not my particular field of study. Now watch as the shills utterly abandon this thread. That's the best part, I pop into threads like this, drop redpills, then the thread either becomes a ghost town or tears itself apart. Sometimes you guys are so fucking retarded, I swear to god.

I believe it… it was probably the lower levels of people who actually cared about our nature and forests that she was talking about. Now they are just full kike instead of half kike.

I remember reading about the stellarator and tokomak as a young boy, but the research into fusion just up and fucking stopped after about 1980. The problem they had seemed relatively simple, too, considering that it was just an issue of keeping the ball of plasma permanently spinning without hitting their magnet walls. Is all this bullshit why? Well, I ask this, but it seems semi-rhetorical because according to your testimony, it is why.

What about zero point energy?

Lots of the lower level people are still Georgia Guidestones-tier. They're almost all cancerous self-hating fucks.
We're the alpha animal of the planet, and they want to slit their own throats, and that of everybody else for some undefined "future."


First, ask yourself why any time VW gets vehicles averaging 40-50 mpg and beyond they get shit on by governments.

I'm 56. My dad taught me man was given custodianship over the earth and all the animals, not to despoil them, but to use to his benefit, and to protect. When we went fishing we carried more out than we carried in. I was an environmentalist before it was cool to be one.

I wouldn't piss on one of these climate change fanatics if they were on fire. It went from wanting clean water, clean air, and natural places to carbon taxes and cap-n-trade. Both these latter are rent-seeking (((schemes.)))

Oh, and Happy Birthday, faggot. ;^)

Just start with the basics. It's not leftist to recycle. Pay attention to what you put back into the environment.

We can have a modern lifestyle AND an environmentally safe ecosystem if we think sanely and rationally about things rather than politically.

Kek
: )

I'm not a physicist so I can't tell you. I seriously doubt it but who knows. All the "car runs on water," "cold fusion" shit just seems like CIA psyops to me. "muh 1000mpg car" shit always seems like quackery. Meanwhile, 50mpg non-hybrid turbo diesel cars exist but they get b& by the government. We could focus on that, and why everyone is forced to buy 20-30mpg vehicles instead of 40-50mpg, but that's not sexy enough, and the CIA isn't busy paying people to focus on that issue. Again, this is another disinfo narrative that everyone gets fucked by because lots of this stuff is counter-intuitive, because the nature of reality itself is counter-intuitive once you change the scale of time or space that you're dealing with. Best I get is atomic chemistry, and that's not 100% solid. I can tell you all about complex systems, emergent properties, and the nature of scale though. It all relates to almost every field, I personally think it's a valuable topic that should be taught in every school, since it's not an innate ability of humans to understand. People naturally think linearly, not with high order mathematical functions.

Wew lad.
Would recommend Holla Forums or reddit but since you're older and obviously in desperate need of a religion that will tax you for the sin of being alive and leaving toxic problematic "carbon footprints" I'll suggest here
>>>/christian/


Based dubs

WHAT THE FUCK
Ever since Trump won, there is an increase of the Green Hoax trying to co op into Holla Forums or ingratiate with Holla Forums. The worst I have heard is hurr durr green is pol and to be pol is to be green.
I can see how Holla Forums winning like Trump winning all the time that anyone wants to tap into that winning.

No, they want to slit your throat because everyone else is the problem.


Actually i was thinking about energy generation methods that rely on different models of physics. It's already mathematically possible, but such math is not considered to be "real" by mainstream physicists. Apparently, the universe follows mathematical models in everything except that. (((Someone))) dislikes the idea that universe is the ultimate free lunch.

Gas yourself, kike.

You won't convince many people by tainting your message with Stormfront style irrational hatred.
People who live locally care about their environment, not "Whites only."
You think South American indigines don't care about their rain forest getting flooded to supply cities with power?
Or tribal Africans?
Or Australian Aboriginals?

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You've got it backwards, torfag, this thread is about co-opting tree huggers so that they work for us. Everybody arguing over AGW is a shill or idiot who doesn't get it. Whatever you believe, redirecting greenfag energy towards closed borders and an ethnostate is a good thing. We can get into pissing matches about what to actually do about the environment afterwards.

The environmental left has been Cultural Marxist for decades, it isn't a new thing.
Case in point: Greenpeace.

You're not on Reddit anymore, Dorothy.

All this post tells me is that you're one who came from somewhere like Reddit, thinking that Holla Forums is the "edgy" place where posting falsehoods about niggers gets you upvotes.
There is a difference between race realism and pointless, inaccurate hatred.

Do you know good sites to get actual data and charts like these?

IPCC
ipcc.ch/

Newsflash retard, the historically reason why the australian outback is a desert is due to the aboriginal, you fucking mong.
No they don't, they barely exist anymore.
lmao

Have you seen how those fucks live? They're the definition of self hating pathological altruism nutjobs. I've seen them first hand and it's all mental disorders of the highest order.

The "only" is the bad argument being made here. Yes, Europeans care more about the environment not just internally, but externally. This is a very European characteristic and where the Green movement somewhat originated from. Saying we're the only ones that care is bullshit to a large extent because everyone living in their area depend on their environment to survive. If Africans, Arabs, or some Asiatic/Indigenous peoples didn't, then they would have ceased to exist thousands of years ago. The external consideration is a very European oriented aspect of caring about nature.

Industrialization, Globalization, and Corporatism/Capitalism whatever the fuck you want to call it, is what's really ruining these peoples habitats and our giving them aid and our corporations throughout the West are fucking them over. It cannot be ignored and shouldn't be.

TL;DR It's more complicated than just, "only whites care".

Also, you're going on and on about theoretical physics when we could effectively halve our fuel consumption overnight if we used more efficient engines. Hybrid vehicles are massive energy sinks since the batteries cost so much to produce and require so many different energy inputs, but a regular turbo/supercharged gasoline or diesel engine that's well made works way more efficiently more cheaply.

People on the Right might like Bjorn Lomborg. I've studied his work, blown wide holes through it, and besides he seems to me to be controlled gay… opposition. Still for a superficial overview of the global environmental issues, getting people quickly up to speed on what the arguments actually are, he provides utility for newfags and people on the Right.

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg
lomborg .com/

His counting of saplings as a forest of trees is a notable example of the caliber of his work.

Happy birthday grandpa.

Butthurt shitskin detected.

If you want to see the true face of the Green Party - and therefore Jil Stein, just take a look at Germany, especially the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, where they have a Green government (recently in coalition with Merkel's CDU) since 2011.

These guys have not only completely sold out and are now cuddling with their former archenemy, the CDU, but have pushed their degenerate 'progressive' social agenda like mad as well, which is the real reason you guys should never trust or empower this vermin.
They're not only willingly flooding the state with illegal migrants (which is why they love the CDU as well, btw), but have pushed an incredible amount of degenerate bullshit (e.g. sexualization of kids in favor of LGBT ideology etc.) through their ability to establish laws and the fact, that even many of the judges are by now leftitsits / socialists themselves (thanks to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions).
These judges turn a blind eye on literally any crime commited by people with a foreign background and sentence them as midly as possible, even - and especially - when it's about capital crimes like murder. Germans though are punished as severely as possible by them, even for small misdemeanors (for example with imprisonment for openly criticising the government's refugee policies on facebook, twitter etc.)
Many of the Green's members even openly support(ed) pedophilia (de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pädophilie-Debatte_(Bündnis_90/Die_Grünen) and the party - as a whole - has no problem with turning a blind eye on the execution of sharia law on our very streets, including child marriage, as long as it's just between muslims (because it's a cultural thing™ we have to respect).

I could go on and on and on.

It's just sickening.

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give 5 advices for life

oh, and happy birthday

Thanks

Lol guy physics is a fucking shitshow.

I live in a country where sturdy diesel engines are still a thing. And since most people are not stupid enough to buy hybrids, kikes are trying to force us to use those in public transport (all paid by taxpayer of course).

1. The point of life is to gain experiences, learn wisdom, and be happy doing it. The evolution of one's consciousness never stops, but continues on even through death.
2. If you want the most direct path to wisdom, follow the Universal Natural and Creational Laws that weave through all of Life.
3. The most fundamental awareness is Love, which is found in the connection with someone else. Love is a genuine mutual awareness, a mutual realization of the sense of aliveness lived through another being… and yet, it's best to focus on Life instead.

Two final points are from Shakespeare's Hamlet
4. There is more to Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
5. To thine own self be true.

go tell the chinese.

Pay attention to this man, he is correct. Though some decent sources would be nice

I will add that we really don't know how bad global warming will be, but there is no denying that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will warm the planet.


No, this is pretty well established by science. Added CO2 will cause an increase in global temperatures. How strong that increase will be, the modeling of the future is more uncertain.

Actually the really scary part is not the CO2, it's the added water vapor that will be in the air, that can cause a heating feedback loop that is much stronger than the CO2 contribution.

Current CO2 levels are over 400 ppm, you might want to add the last century to your chart there.


The green party is for open borders AND they suck BBC from the dindu movement… They don't realize the people wining and complaining that they want free shit have no concept of the environmental cost of their actions. It's the same uneducated idiots who throw plastic into the ocean and litter everywhere. Ever been to a black neighborhood in a city? Literally there is trash just thrown on the streets.


I disagree somewhat, even a small increase from CO2 will increase the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere which has a very large heat capacity. So if we increase CO2 to 500-600 ppm and the temperature goes up by ~1C we can actually get a feedback look where we have 10x as much water vapor in the air retaining several more degrees of heat.

The thing is, when there is more co2 in the air, photosynthesis starts to reverse itself to where it then realeases co2 instead of oxygen. Also the toxicity in the ocean, as the ocean is responsible for roughly %70 of earths oxygen, is causing the same effect on some marine creatures, or they just die and don't give off oxygen anymore. I think that is our biggest concern, when I look at the Great Barrier Reef for example, is that the oxygen producing life has stopped producing, hence not balancing out the co2 concentration. Reguardless humans will have to adapt as usual, and will create other means of producing oxygen if things get so bad - not to say it's from human intervention, but perhaps a natural phenomenon as usual.

Guess how I know you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

Confirmed for knowing not a single thing you are talking about. Kill yourself.

The UN, and most people involved in the sustainability field, are quite aware of the relationship between poverty and environmental degradation, though they haven't moved beyond the religious beliefs in ubiquitous human equality in all ways.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brundtland_Commission

I wonder if you'll remember you spoke such shit and feel silly

youtu.be/DrWznOFq38s

Probably not though, as a leftist one of the han qualities you lack is introspection.

Nader was the Green Party for a long time. So you're theory is debunked. Happy birthday

Also very apparent you have no training in engineering or critical thought.

For a given mass, a higher heat capacity means a lower temperature rise for a given heat input.

God I hate dunning-kruger.

Good call op. One example is the WildOnes organization. Its list of directors is overwhelmingly (((oy vey))). http ://www.wildones.org/contact-us/honorary-national-directors/

Wanted to learn more about prairie plants and found myself surrounded by feminists and kikes. Sad!

Happy Birthday old/pol/,

Im up in Western WA where loggers care enough about our trees. hope you're enjoying the bodycount on the pipeline protest. have some wholesome anime from a better time as my lackluster gift.

ww1.gogoanime io/urusei-yatsura-episode-4

you might be retarded. Heat capacity is defined as the amount of energy needed to raise change the temperature, with a larger heat capacity corresponding to a larger temperature with the same amount of energy.

It's high school level thermodynamics retard

I was referring to if the conditions weren't met this would happen, such as increased global temperature.

Toxic shit, microplastic, and the agenda of actively poisoning people to alter fertility are real. You're absolutely right about that.

See vid related regarding climate change. I knew something was fishy with the CO2 AGW, and this is the final nail. Climate change is real, but it isn't what you think. Prepare for COLD. This man is the bleeding edge of solar science and the coming of the end of the bullshit relativistic theories of the universe. It's all electrical. Tesla knew this.

As far as what we can do to turn around the loss of habitat and green the deserts, lots of work has been done on that, but only in a limited capacity. I'm a staunch environmentalist and an ardent Nazi. We need to take care of our home.


CO2 was never proven to have any more than a correlation to the "warming" of the environment. The sun, solar activity, and the interaction of the magnetic fields of our Earth and Sun are a much more convincing data. They can be verified and modeled without a bunch of bailing wire and duct tape. I'm sorry your life was a fraud.

Global warming is not a thing. See Vid related. Brace yourself for cool. CO2 is only correlated to warming. It is not proven to CAUSE warming. Deforestation and creating brittle environments cause warming, not power plants and cars. That carbon was always here, it's just been frozen in carbonite for a while. You haven't bothered with a single citation :\ Try harder.


Buy land in warmer climates for cheap and reap benefits. Holla Forums should seriously consider this. Imagine what we could do with a fucking ton of money. Uh oh.

This. As liberals always say, "Correlation does not equate to causation." CO2 emissions are just an excuse to push more taxes and globalist policies.

I was going to wish you a happy birthday OP, but then I started wondering how you've lived this long. I figure a truck or something would have taken your stupid ass out years ago.

You told us NOTHING. "The monied elties" in black text? Everyone knows the Ford foundation and Rockefeller family control the Sierra Club. The land scam they do is an old one.


You're probably one of those Greenpeace idiots who wanted to ban chlorine until it was pointed out to you, that it's a fucking element.

If you hadn't noticed, fucker, everyone is a 'climate change' fag now. Because that's where the money is and the more success that is, the more the environmental suffers.

You and everyone your age and older FAILED and have doomed us and it's not from a crispy planet.

You sound like a retard parroting buzzwords you heard around here. Lurk moar, post less.

Nuclear power is great, greenest and most efficient source of energy by far, the only nuclear accidents that have occurred were because Chernobyl was run by commies, and commies tend to ruin absolutely everything, and the Fukushima disaster was because an Israeli Security Firm decided to retaliate against Japan because they were planning to help Iran build nuclear plants. Accidents do not happen if you have competence and vigilance against (((them))). Uranium is massively abundant, and it can be harvested from the oceans which have enough uranium for the next millenium.

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Isn't… isn't this the leading theory on how Abbos managed to desertify a fucking rainforest?

WAS IT THE BIRDS ALL ALONG?

Also, happy birthday gramps. I'm always a little surprised when more aged folks show up around these parts.

The thread from a month ago was suggesting the aborigines burned to kill off the BFL's (big fucking lizards).

>csiro.au
This is just scientific shitposting.

This is a pet peeve of mine, so it's going to be tldr. As a Holla Forums public service education, pay close attention to what is happening in my dialogue with this user here, because it's a really good window into the current state of our universities and of science:


No! Applying your flawed deductive process to more areas doesn't make your argument any better. I'm in the fortunate (or perhaps unfortunate) position where I can just discount all your shit out of hand. I don't even have to read your 5000 page dissertation about how you get the answers you want out of your algorithm when you feed it random data you just assume portrays whatever you think it does. Because we've only been collecting data in a scientific manner for a couple of centuries (and even most of that data is sparse at best,) when you come to me telling me how things worked a million years ago I can just discount your ass instantly as the religious nut you are. That's just basic logic. Easy but hard. I don't think you're a shill, you're just a regular guy who went to university, was preached at for 5 years and then adopted their dogmas, flawed logic and methods as your way of perceiving the world.

The modern religious "science" zealot is quick to throw "NUH-UH BECUZ MUH SCIENCE" in your face, so let me tell you all some things about fucking science.

Real science can only happen when you have the balls to admit we fucking don't know about a lot of shit. And you have to be pretty clear about what you know and what you fucking don't know. But people don't want that, it makes them uneasy. Most people don't like real science at ALL. What they want is having everything explained to them, so they can feel safe, that they have predictable lives and everything will be ok. What they want is religion. They might like the IDEA of science, with colored pictures of nebulae and marveling at the construction of their smart phone. But they don't want the uncertainty it brings. They want answers, not questions. Which is why religious institutions like the modern universities stand ready to fill their ears with exactly that. Just believe, and everything will be fine. We've figured it out and you just pay those carbon shekels and you'll be safe.

Understand that there is a huge difference between the science of the age of enlightenment and the science of today. 99% of the people with impressive titles from today's universities would be laughed out the door at the preliminary exams of the old institutions. And even those institutions were pig-headed enough. But at least in those days your theories were expected to be testable and produce consistent results in the real world. Ball of certain properties goes up and comes down in a predictable fashion. Everyone can test it, everyone gets the same results; it's a property of our world, let's call it a day. Today, someone programs their "supercomputer" to plot a graph, feed it up with biased data and everyone claps like seals when a card pops out saying "you're right!" Whoop-de-do. I can make a magic machine that confirms whatever bullshit I make up too, as long as I don't have to make it work in the real world.

Which is why the old science like Maxwell's shit is the direct causation of every piece of electromagnetic technology you've got around you. Were their theories perfect? No. But they fucking work in the real world. Not one machine has been built by the imaginative, untestable theories of modern physics and not a single one ever will be. They've had almost a hundred years to get their shit together, but all you get is science fiction dreams in glossy magazines. And that's what you got today. Religion. Temple-like institutions where normalfags are indoctrinated with the gospel of today. The peer review board is the bishops star chamber and the future of their science is monks pilpuling industriously over gender studies and quantum flux capacitors under icons of St. Albert of Science.

I write this fucking blogpost because I know there are other 130+ IQ fags on this board who also love truth. Maybe some of you will be real scientists one day. Just know that every single person who ever made a real scientific discovery was laughed at and ostracized in his lifetime. Understand that science is no longer in the public domain, if it ever truly was. It's in the hidden bunkers of the elites and in your own basement. Love of truth will never be popular, it's only (and lonely) reward is truth itself.

tldr; the moon landing is fake because waterfilters

Because those are quads

Nice quads

Really? People who do what anons have done since the birth of chans and recognise repeating digits are CTR now?
Also polite sage for offtopic.

Block A 1kg has a specific heat capacity of 10kj/g/degC

Block B 1kg has a specific heat capacity of 20kj/g/degC

Add 10Mj of heat to each block

Block A temperature rises by 1 degree
Block B temperature rises by 0.5 degree

Perhaps you should consider taking highschool thermo?

That's not even close to an argument, kike.

Happy birthday, old fag.

have fun with your all white planet full of nothing.

you need to go back.

I believe it was a joke. Remember when we used to have those.

Jews just love poop, as you have just shown. Jews also love "green" advocacy because it is great smokescreen to avert the eyes of people who care from issues that actually matter.

Fuck of jew treehugger.

Plants feed on CO₂.

This change occurred in a much grander scale than you realize. Just look at the Sustainable Development Goals of the UN. The whole intention of 'Sustainability' as a concept was to provide a framework that would get conservatives to agree to liberal agendas for the creation of a global civil society. It mixes environmentalism with politics, culture, and economics. It promotes both environmental justice and social justice. It is as you say. Then intention is to push this ideal that you cannot be an environmentalist unless you also support social justice initiatives. They build these social systems into government entities like the US Department of Agriculture and push for the hiring of people with degrees focused on the study of 'Sustainability', which influences even Midwestern colleges to change their agricultural programs and introduce social justice education.

Anyways, consider humanitarian non-profits and such. There is nothing the Jews won't subvert.

Something which always has ticked me the wrong way are anti-foraging, anti-hunting laws.

Your tricks don't work here, kike.

Mein neger. Massively underrated post

Thanks user for a little breath of fresh air.
I find many times on Holla Forums I have to wade through volumes of BS to get a few kernels of insight.
But I keep my boots handy and keep slogging through the marsh.
t. turned 62 in oct

Sup JIDF. Can't have our king kike mentioned in a bad light, can we? Who is going to finance Israel if eco-schemes of Nathaniel Rothschild are exposed for being a scam and a way to enslave goyim?

Let me guess, you think it's completely feasible to have a growing amount of radioactive waste just… hanging out? I used to be an edgemaster that shilled for nuclear energy too… Then I learned how absolutely dangerous and foolish trying to manage the waste is. I understand the amounts of waste added yearly are not gigantic at the moment, but every new plant grows that total. Nuclear energy is bad because of the obvious dangers of the graphite inhibiters failing to stop the reaction, the fuel escaping the containment zone through (((accidents))) and the enigma of what to do with this spent fuel. That's three really big strikes.

What is maximum the risk of building wind turbines offshore? One of them falls down and lands on surfer? Bummer. It doesn't even have to be a wind turbine. It can be water turbines, or geothermal, any number of other solutions would be less pants-on-head retarded. We've done nuclear energy for 50 years. Time and time again it fails. Time to find a different solution, dude.

This is the way it has always been, just as you are about to lose hope and call it dead you read something that


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Except its not overpopulation causing global climate change, it's the HAARP arrays heating the artic and antarctic ionosphere causing the reversion of the gulf stream flow, wonky weather events all across the planet, the melting of the methane trapping permafrost and a dumping of run off ice into the oceans, leading to species extinction and eventual cataclysm as severe drought and rising sea levels stifle the human organisation and production of food.

And the 'left' socialist wingnuts are just useful idiots being pushed by the subterranean reptilian overlords designed to be exposed as fringe idiots wilfully hiding the manipulated climate from the world population to advance their political goals, this is to create the same type of fervour that saw the rise of Napoleon in France, except this will be global, it will be a Judaeo-Islamic prophet figure with literally magical powers, and the true believes will correctly identify him as the anti-christ setting about the 7 years period of persecution before the tribulation and eventual destruction at Armageddon.


And the Jews will get in their little spaceship ark as the planet floods, and then will start all over again like they did 5000 years ago.


Of course none of this is true, just like nothing anyone ever says is really true. Because truth is not universal, it is a human abstraction, and invention of rigorous logic and bland mathematics that stifles reality and limits it into some binary state of absolutism, when a far more robust model would be one of probabilistic uncertainty and flux, the same way electricity and magnetism and gravity and the nuclear forces and everything that ever is was and will be works. It works-ish, because that's the nature of reality, wishy washy.


There is only self-interest and the complex interaction of selfish agents acting towards disjointed goals in mutual chaos, arising to uncomputable incoherent outcomes. People do things, shit happens. There's nothing more to it.

But let me guess, we should care about the Pipeline? Because you burned out hippies want to get in the way of progress and profit. Your parents were right, you're all good for nothing beatniks, a generation of losers who accomplished nothing. Your elders finished 2 World Wars, stopped the spread of communism and landed man on the moon. You smuggled Levi's into the Eastern block and let women have political agency to the point a vagina is all you need to qualify as Presidential material.

Maybe if your generation didn't spent the 70s and 80s allowing monopolistic behemoths like Disney, Mattel, Microsoft and Walmart to drown out all competition we wouldn't be stuck in abandoned 1950s computational theory as the CUTTING EDGE of ai research. And the shit tier models that are looking at climate change might've been good enough to solve for solutions,you know other than the obvious one of stealth sterilisation of 99% of the human race so you can involuntarily euthanize the unborn masses of the future.

You blew your chance in the 60s. Let people with a new vision take over bud, you go enjoy internet porn and that alcohol lite beer in your fridge wont drink itself now. The revolution is digital, and you should bask in the comforts of lavish consumerism before the lights go out for good on this ugly little passage in empire building.

Salt domes in California and Florida, as well Yucca Mountain repository have enough space to store waste for hundreds, if not thousands of years safely. Yucca mountain repository was well under way and taxpayers had spent 10+ billlion dollars on it and then King Nigger decided it wasn't green and shut it down, leaving thousands of metric tons of waste on-site or in already overcrowded repositories because environment. There are feasible proposals to bury nuclear waste in a subduction zone also so it gets sucked into the mantle and you never have to worry about it. Managing nuclear waste is only dangerous with stupid and incompetent people who constantly block proposals to effectively deal with nuclear waste, if nuclear waste management had even a fraction of the funding that Israel or "pizza" did then the problem would be solved decades ago. The only graphite inhibitor failure was at Chernobyl and that was because the retarded commies did not even test the graphite annealing process for completeness, as simple quality control/inspection process will solve any problems with graphite inhibitor failure. And as you said most accidents are in fact (((accidents))), Fukushima was done by kikes who were buttmad that Japan was working with Iran. If there is a policy to never, ever hire kikes or muslims at a nuclear facility you don't need to worry about that either.

Yes. CO2 increases the energy retention of the atmosphere, that's a well understood physical fact. Humans are responsible for about 40% of the CO2 in our atmosphere. The question is generally how much of an impact it is having, which is generally way overblown by doomsday prophecies.
Yes, water does infact constitute a far more potent greenhouse gas - and there is far more of it. It is, however, a constant quantity. The CO2 we're dumping into the air could influence the system because it's been lying underground doing jack shit for hundreds of millions of years.

Napkin math from taking the content of Pinatubo's plume and then applying that to a list of volcanic eruptions by ejecta volume shows that this is bullshit. The difference is 2-3 orders of magnitude from what I recall.
Trees constantly capture and release carbon, they're not a delta variable in this case. And that is without even bothering to check how much is released that way, which I am quite confident in assuming is less than what we do.

EVERY FUCKING TIME

Stopped reading your post right there. Like I said, I used to be a smarmy edgelord too, and that's the exact argument I used. Then I found out how foliish that idea was. Do you know in the time it takes for the radio active material to become safe, the continental plate roughly only moves 2000 feet? Thats less than half a mile Yeah, I didn't know that. Neither did I know what happens to the steel barrels we keep the fuel in as "dry casks" for storage. After constant barrage from decaying isotopes, those barrels become the metal equivalent to swiss cheese. They no longer hold the material and begin to leak fatal levels of radiation after a short period. They would need to change out the barrels hundreds of times at least before the material decayed.

All of the ideas we have had about burying the waste in subduction zones, and salt mines, sound great on paper, but have utterly failed, or will fail in actual practice.

Trust me, it's time to leave the >muh nuclear powah in the movies and video games. They make great Tom Clancy plots, but that's about it.

foolish**

sorry, I'm glazing a ham

We're aware of how the environmental movement has been hijacked. Once we retake our nations, we will do as we always have, and take care of nature and the natural order.

Listen to at least the first half of this interview.

The hoax is over. People will still believe in this religious quackery for years to come, and government policy will still be trying to abuse it to grab more power, but anyone with half a brain who is awake will know it's bullshit.

youtu.be/DrWznOFq38s

God, that's fuckin sad. What have you done with your life, OP? I mean, besides post about da evil Jews and stuff?

youtube.com/watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM&index=17&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

Been a while since I have posted this.

Having a three-IP astroturf team doesn't work anymore, you retards.

What's most informative about this entire thread is that the shills have a fucking handbook for basically every single topic we could humanly talk about. I'm pretty sure we could talk about the design of spoons, and the shills would just check the manual and say "yep, we're jewing them on spoons too, check 557-C-831 for the flowchart." I want the jews dead so badly.

Reported for believing in AGW.

Go re-read the thread and see what the shills REFUSE to discuss.

but its not
i support keeping the earth clean
from pesticides getting dumped into our rivers and oceans and all sorts of shit
yet i dont think sending uneducated niggers into germany is the way to fix that

This. There is much worse pollution than CO2 and some global cooling global warming charade is not going to fix those problems.

kill yourself geezerfag, I bet you aren't even a wizad

Maybe the reason the Sierra Club is against borders is because the rest of the species on this planet need to migrate across them like they've done for millions of years. Making sure Pedro doesn't take yer jerb isn't worth dooming certain southwest species to extinction.

Also, the pollution industry pours into the air and water stays there. Why don't you go live in Beijing and take a deep breath while fearmongering about regulations.

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In 30 years when the ice caps are gone I hope you're prepared to eat your words. Because you sure as hell won't be able to eat fish anymore.

Or, we could use technology that already exists to keep the earth at a stable temperature by controlling the amount of UV rays that reach the surface of the earth. It's already proven to work. In the weeks following 9/11 ground temperature was a few degrees cooler due to the lack of planes in the air (greenmedinfo.com/article/contrails-reduce-daily-temperature-range)

My solution is that we launch a series of satellites with huge variable opaqueness sails that could darken or lighten to control how much radiation reaches the atmosphere at any given point. With enough satellites or large enough sails, we could control the temperature of the earth probably within 10-15 degrees.

Also, the entire plan seems very comic-book villain-esque, and that suits me very well.

typo - ground temperatures were a few degrees warmer, not cooler. Sorry.

Far be it from me to be the defeatist here.. But i don't think we have the materials or the ability to send to space a gigantic pair of sunglasses for the planet.