Can Trump guide the USA past a crashing bond market?

What can this man do for us?
Why should we expect the president-Elect of the Unites States to diverge in any way from his predecessors?

Why should EUROPE not become a SUPERPOWER?

A question bears asking and Jim fails.

Because socialism

Why not have a global default on the 200 trillion dollars of debt?

Because Europe lacks the political will to remove kebab.

What kind of superpower could Europe be? A super-servant to Israeli bankers? A super-servant to NATO?

Europe needs to become supr-fertile and produce European babies. Then Europe will be a superpower.

I don't see how Europe relates to the bond market.

If the USA market crashes, and Europe somehow becomes an economic superpower, congrats to them, they should still make more babies.

you and I both know that it can't continue that way. The majority of Americans can't afford a $400 emergency expense. Savings are what make a good economy and without savings you get the jewiest fractional reserve lending credit card mortgage renewal mess that we have now.

I am not a money expert, but maybe that is a good idea.

Perhaps the bankers would be upset, but the international market could just use non-debt-based currency for exchanges of crucial raw materials.

it won't get on the other side at any time. poors+billionares grow in numbres, this is not a crisis, this is feudalism coming back

Okay, so people are required to save money. Hooray. The bond markets crash, we tell the consumer to be more frugal. Then what happens?

Who is buying and selling in this bond market?

I realize that bonds are useful to firms and govts when they want to finance spending projects. So a bond crash, followed by more expensive bonds, means it suddenly becomes hard for govts to spend. Hooray. I am a fan of very very small govt.

Does that mean the Jews will have to wear special marking garments like in _Ivanhoe_?

If feudalism is coming back, who gets to be the knights, and who gets to be the lords?

Legions of Chechen Warriors? They will put your Marines to shame.

A New Order.

10.000 nuclear weapons and hadron colliders? We can do better.

Fuck your market.

Work in progress.

Nope, the best thing he can do is inform the general public that its coming at a time that is not too early but not too late.

Its not so easy, Ron Paul only wants to tear government asunder all at once because he won't be alive to deal with the consequences of that.

Is Chechya part of Europe?

Are they blond?

Also, I don't have any Marines. The USA's Marines are not mine.

We will see

This. It's like none of you niggers understand the relationship between bonds and rates. As rates go up, and they must, bonds go down. Anyone betting on bonds right now is a moron.

The rich and powerful ones, surprise

It's like none of you niggers relate at all with your fellow human beans.

I thought someone mentioned this a while ago, while the media was spreading the fear that Trump would crash the whole economy. They said that he would bankrupt the country, but someone said that he might be planning to do that anyway, to declare a default and rebuild us like he did with his Ch.11 filings for his businesses. I'm slowly learning about different kinds of currencies and markets, but if we got enough countries to go along with this, could we derail the fiat-based system and actually wrest some economic control and independence from (((those in control)))?

Dude I don't know. Ever since the last 8 years and economic shocks going off that should've set off the new Depression; from Brexit, to China's economy imploding, to Greece, to Bitcoin to a Fed Hike that never came, I've grown tired of it all.

I put a good deal of money on the Shemittah and lost it all. By all means, the Jewish religion and the economic dates coincided with it all. I even had charts laid out for how the shock and rebound eventual collapse of the US economy would play out.

But what I've learned is this, investors, big banks and a lot of companies, if they see a financial risk ahead, will take measurable steps to ensure it won't affect them. It's only unseen and unexpected turns that swerve everyone.

If this has been coming for some time and it has been, the effects will be largely mitigated, as will any financial collapse that can be seen in the distance.

So … there's NO change in who is rich ? Then that is not a new feaudalism, that is the status quo.

Currently there are a lot of rich Jews calling all the shots.

If feudalism just means the Jews become lords, that's not change at all.

Double checked. Interest rates, eh? So it will suddenly get difficult to borrow money.

China has no loyalty to the Rothschilds. Give China a way to burn down the Rothschild empire and they won't have a reason NOT to use it. Of course, the Chinese who would do that would be planning to set up Chinese bankers as the new lords of money.

he should just default, and then when the jews kvetch he should execute them

I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but leaving rates at 0% is a recipe for disaster, and when rates go up, the bond market gets shoah'd.

I'm not sure that it will be a lot more difficult, but it will become more expensive.

There's nothing wrong with this, the concept. It does not matter anymore, though. There is no hope.

Inherent to this is monogamy, which is

The last time they tried to use a central bank to punish a bad goy population a certain artist and soldier nationalized the bank and decoupled the nation from international banking parasites. If they raise rates, they risk full 1488, and this time a world superpower will have nationalized currency which cannot be easily defeated and it would be game over for the kikes more or less. If they were going to raise rates, they would try to preclude any chance of that happening. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place now, since raising rates to crash the economy will risk the worst for them and there is only so long they can keep the rates lowered without it happening anyway.

hahaha leftypol, will you ever learn?

Who is that dude in the lower left corner?
is there anything you would like to share, "google"?

Silver and gold are still falling. I just think it's off. I've seem them fluctuate in their history, but this doesn't feel right. Can someone tell me if I'm just being paranoid.

my greatest prayer for our future lies within that thought.

Obongo has been driving into oncoming traffic and now he's handing the wheel to Trump.

Recessions typically happen after every two term presidency, but this is going to be yuge. Probably why Trump was allowed to win, so populism and nationalism can be blamed.

One theory is that the Indians have blocked Gold imports to stop people from getting out of the local currency after the government cocked it up. Pajeets are yuge Gold buyers so with them out the market demand has dropped. Silver follows Gold.

We need a new dollar. The dollar itself is a Ponzified medium of exchange, and there is no mathematical way to save it and all the obligations that are dollar-denominated.

You don't have long to wait.

dubdubs (chKEKed)

We need a new backing for the dollar.
Ever since the time of kings (((they))) have been able to convince feeble minded people that a bank is the source of money. That is NOT the truth. The founders of the United States understood the origin of money and wrote the constitution with provision for the U.S. Treasury department to be the source.
All money ends up being fiat at some point or another (happens even quicker if it's paper instead of hard coin used for currency) and why in the world should a government have to borrow from anyone but itself?

it's all based on faith that it's useful for exchange

I don't think this is going to go quite as the Juden planned, especially not with Trump as president. The only problem is, I have strong suspicions that most of America's publicly-owned gold has been shipped out by King Nigger of Afro-Economics. We're going to have to back a new currency with labor like the Rentenmark. It's funny, for as much as the pants-pissing shitlibs bitch and moan about Trump, he's one of few people in whom I have any faith in pulling this off more-or-less peacefully.

Gold and silver is money. Anything else are just trade tokens, not much better than Chuck-e-Cheese money.

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Considering how much land the Federal government owns they could probably do that.

49 minutes into this podcast Jim Rickards describes how Trump may go for a Gold standard. A nationalist probably doesn't want to give control over to the IMF so I could see Trump possibly doing it if that was the alternative.
physicalgoldfund.com/the-gold-chronicles-november-22nd-2016-interview-with-jim-rickards-and-alex-stanczyk/

Trump may do it or not, but the pattern is more than just failure to apply some fix to currency. In each case on that graph, the country running the reserve currency enters an unwinnable situation. This creates a huge amount of internal friction and causes strife within the leadership of the society, then the kikes jump ship.

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Maybe he should just spill the beans now and point to the various times he mentioned it throughout his campaign. Its best to do it before a possible rate hike by the Fed next month so that the blame goes to the kikes and king nigger.

Im an amateur but I heard different theories.
One was that paper gold certificates were sold en masse and it made gold crash (lost like 100$ /oz since elections), and i guess silver is affected by this too; second, hindu nationalist Modi in India seems to have banned about 88% of the total paper money over there, to destroy black money, and since India is turned toward traditionnalism since always (it is sort of a spiritual center of the world) the thing created a huge mess and people are still trying to figure out the repercutions of this beside the ones you can think of from losing lost of money trading old money for new one (theres a fee, a limit per person, etc); third i can think of, is the fact that the market do not respond normally anymore, you cannot enter the market and hope to be able to fight all these computers with algorythms doing thousands of transactions at lightning speed.

Isn't the bond market crashing a good thing? It means people have enough faith in his leadership to see stocks more profitable to invest in over the short (few years) term compared to bonds over the 20-year term. A strong bond market is a sign of a poor economy.

This is a bit complicated to explain, so bear with me. It's easy to think of the dollar as being, like, a thing. A monolithic object. But it's actually a gigantic machine, with billions of moving parts, which plays a role in every transaction in the world, even transactions that don't directly involve the dollar at all. And the machine is fatally damaged. Force isn't being transmitted to the axle properly, and it's breaking everything apart from the inside. That's why I think there's honestly no fix except replacing the dollar with a new currency; even with the finest autists on call, there's no way to go in and fix all the economic relationships that have been destroyed by using a unit of exchange whose value is based on a Ponzi scheme.

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The bond market is already crashed more or less. I work in finance, outside of treasuries the bond market is more or less nonexistent, and most treasuries are purchased as a matter law (i.e. certain funds must delegate X% of investments into treasuries.)

Interesting. Is there any inside information you can divulge? I feel like I'm in Waiting for Godot re:the shit finally hitting the fan; I can't believe the 08 "rescue" held the status quo together for as long as it did.

Nothing special, it's been dead since I got into asset management in 2012. The point is that interest rates are so low that the yields on bonds are too low to be competitive investments. In fact, the yields are often lower than real inflation, so the average investor is losing money by investing in bonds. It's a direct result of the 2008 crash and interest rates hitting near zero and remaining extremely low ever since.

The bond market was the biggest money maker in all of finance at one point. Now there's no money to make, if I'm a broker and I'm trying to sell a bond with a 2.5% return, where's my room for profit? If I charge 0.5% the client is only getting 2%, it's laughable, they are almost better off just putting money under their pillow. So it's not profitable for brokers or investors. What we've seen is other investments fill the role of what bonds are were once used for (safe long term inflation protection for huge sums of money and some growth as a bonus,) most of that cash has either moved into the stock market (creating the giant stock bubble we have,) largely in big safe stocks that offer decent dividends (so as to mimic what bonds used to bring,) or it has gone into real estate investment both in the US and in places like China, even Iran.

Now, wouldn't bonds increase in value if something awful were to happen to all these stock/real estate investments?

Makes sense, and would be yet another contributing factor to why putting a roof over one's head is next to fucking impossible in the brave new economy. I know I wouldn't touch any of that shit with a 12 foot barge pole. I've got some gold and silver saved - hopefully it'll be enough.

Theoretically that would make sense, but we are seeing that bond returns are so low that it offers little in the way of an alternative investment. The stock market is pumped up because people ran away from bonds, because they have no value, if (when) the stock market collapses again, I doubt they'd run back into a valueless investment en masse. In fact, you'll probably see interest rates go even lower as an emergency switch to lower the required return on companies, thereby pumping up their stock value (this is always done in times of crisis.) What you'll probably see is much more investment into other alternatives like we're seeing now such as commodities, we've seen it in the gold market already, venture investments, etc.

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Have you looked into stocks of construction companies that would most likely be receiving contracts for public works projects?

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Think about it.

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No, this thread isn't listed on the catalog

That's okay. Trump can't stop the bomb from going off, but he can help direct the force of the explosion. And maybe, at long last, we can permaban those who did this to us from our collective reality.

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Seriously?
On Holla Forums?
Do you know where you are?

based and true

They're dumping all the paper gold and silver on the market to give an impression that everything is ok.
IF you want to see the new indicator for instability, look at bitcoin. That has been rising for some time now.

how much food could 5 silver quarters buy in 1964 though?

1 lb of pork chops and 6 eggs.

all I know is I can remember buying coke for 10 cents in the '60s

Tax cuts are not sustainable or credible if there is no agenda to meaningfully shrink big government.
Also, there would be every reason for citizens to fear higher taxes including the hidden inflation tax in the future as payback for enlarged deficits now.
The Inflation Option: Can We Repeat the Richard Nixon-Arthur Burns Experience?
On the other hand, some think that more inflationary policy from the Fed may put the bust off yet again. Some market actors predict a rise in monetary inflation — explained by the Fed resisting upward pressure on market rates. But, those who see continued inflation maintain that this would be supportive of real asset prices and economic growth. The higher natural rate — in so far as it reflected increased economic dynamism (investment opportunity, entrepreneurship) would be consistent with overall good news. But, we will likely have to concede the good news would turn to bad in the face of increasing infrastructure spending or more general government spending.
It may be helpful to recall that Fed Chairman Arthur Burns instituted his own inflationary monetary experiment from 1970 to 1973, even as the economy appeared to have already peaked in the late 60s. As a result, the Nixon Administration in effect delayed the Day of Reckoning for the Kennedy/Johnson asset price inflation of 1962-7 by creating a short lived inflationary boom of his own. That may be a parallel for the Trump team (including the Federal Reserve) to consider. The 1962-1967 asset price inflation, however, occurred alongside a global economic miracle (including Continental Europe and Japan) which continued into the next few years. The asset price inflation of the last few years has occurred without any economic miracle to be seen. And a key element in this present day asset price inflation has been the giant carry trades into long-maturity government debt and into corporate bonds (both investment grade and high-yield).
Any story about Trump economics should include an exposition of how and when that carry trade unwinds. The bust would most likely bring on the end-stage of the Obama asset price inflation including most likely the much-talked-about eventual China crash. The best hope is that after all the fêting of fantasy miracles, a real miracle announces itself based most likely on a simultaneous blossoming of technology and entrepreneurship (analogous to the IT boom of the mid-1990s or the mass assembly line and electrification boom of the mid-1920s) and without the long slog of a painful monetary reform and related recession first.

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The "Miracle" Option: Can we Repeat the Volcker Boom?
The tales of change in Washington sparking a miracle are unconvincing unless they feature prominently the US on a journey to sound money. A partial historical analogy is the attack on high inflation initiated by Carter’s appointment of Volcker to the Fed in 1978 and continued under the 1st Reagan Administration. This culminated in a spell of prosperity, but crucially only after a severe recession first.
Today’s road to sound money would be different in many respects as the starting point is not high goods and services inflation but feverish asset price inflation both in the US and globally. (In the late 1970s asset price inflation was evident in lending to the “less developed countries”.) Moreover the new administration today is not inheriting a Federal Reserve which is already reversing its previous wild policies. Prominent architects of the radical monetary experiment are still in power right now.
There are some market actors apparently still placing their hope in the idea that President-elect Trump will follow up his anti-Fed rhetoric during the campaign with early action. This would include key new appointments to the Federal Reserve Board and doing a deal with the Democrats in the Senate such that a monetary reform bill could make its way through a potential filibuster to his desk. But there are many uncertainties here.
Support for Fed is reform is certainly not a given from Republicans still favoring the Taylor Rule. Moreover, who knows whether Trump would respond to economic adversity along the road to sound money by echoing Richard Nixon’s notorious statement that “we are all Keynesians now.”
Indeed, those who hope for a miracle include many Keynesians who think an expansion of fiscal policy (i.e., mass new infrastructure programs) can be mixed with tax cuts to move the economy forward. The skeptics, of course, question this, and are pointing to the likely problems of crony capitalism and poor productivity, plus the crowding out of more worthwhile opportunities. Tax cuts are not sustainable or credible if there is no agenda to meaningfully shrink big government.
Also, there would be every reason for citizens to fear higher taxes including the hidden inflation tax in the future as payback for enlarged deficits now.

No one to check those triples. So sad.

Donald Trump's tax plan

While his tax plan evolved over the course of his campaign, Trump's final version of his tax plan called for consolidation of the current seven tax brackets into just three, with rates of 12%, 25%, and 33%. Since Trump plans to repeal the Affordable Care Act, the 3.8% surtax on certain investment income that helps fund the Act would be eliminated.

In addition, Trump wants to more than double the standard deduction to $15,000 for singles and $30,000 for married taxpayers, from the current levels of $6,200 and $12,400, respectively. Because of this increase, the personal exemption would be eliminated, as would the head of household tax filing status. Itemized deductions would be capped at $100,000 for single filers or $200,000 for joint filers.

Trump also wants to offer a larger deduction for child care expenses, planning to implement an above-the-line deduction that will be capped at the state average for care, and would be limited to a maximum of four children per taxpayer (currently two). He also wants to offer additional child care incentives for lower-income taxpayers.

For the wealthy, Trump pledges to get rid of the estate tax, a position widely supported by Republicans and that currently only affects estates valued at $5.45 million or higher.

On the corporate side of things, Trump wants to lower the top corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%, and would allow profits currently being kept abroad to be repatriated at a special 10% one-time rate.
Potential roadblocks

With a Republican Congress, there shouldn't be too much opposition to Trump's proposed tax cuts. The three tax brackets Trump has proposed are the exact same the Republican leaders in Congress have called for, and the GOP has been trying to repeal the estate tax for a long time.

Where Trump might run into some resistance is the amount of deduction his plan allows for, as well as his proposed corporate tax rate. According to a recent analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Trump's plan as it is written would reduce revenue by $5.8 trillion and add approximately $5.3 trillion to our national debt over a 10-year period, …

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