is this graph correct, Holla Forums?
Is this graph correct, Holla Forums?
libertarian right is an oxymoron and any self-respecting leftist should reject the authoritarian label
in what way do insurrectionists / illegalists / nihilists straddle the line between left and right?
They are too busy straddling BBC tbh famalam
they can say the same thing about us
since most of you guys reject the left and right concept and mostly focus on being radical egoists, there are definitely left wing annils though
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i might be wrong but arent they pro capitalist as fuck?
Well is that technocracy has a huge relationship with communism
Got me in the wrong place.
Unless you mean lolberts in general instead of tripfag avatars.
This, idk how many times I've had to explain why "left libertarian" not a contradiction, and I'm a damn market socialist ffs. I tell them that "privately owned enterprise would be illegal" and they glorious uprising calling me an authoritarian because apparently they think "libertarian" means that there are no rules at all.
the flag normally represents lolberts so i used it for that purpose
i didnt know a lot about them. wish i had some reading material of technocracy tbh
it all depends on the perspective, one of the reason why the "left-right" stuff is a spook
they sure as hell can say the same about us, but they'd be wrong.
Capitalism by definition is a hierarchy, you can't be an anarchist and support capitalism
you fuck! when will Holla Forums into wobly spiral sperg theory? it's a natural evolution of horseshoe theory.
Where does this one go?
the trash
To Jail.
>>>/gulag/
This chart just proves the point about how stupid the libertarian-authoritarian axis is. It literally only accounts for a narrow idea of state authority. Ancaps are absolute authoritarians, they just believe that authority derives from property.
Mutualists should be a little more to the left as they reject capitalism and private property.
National Bolshevism shouldn't be the furthest left/furthest authoritarian. Comintern is the most far left/authoritarian ideology there is
Pretty accurate
No it's pretty accurate, I think. Mutualism is a bit odd. It's like ancap-lite, excluding a few things: you can only own what you use i.e. occupancy and there is no profit seeking or interest making. Mutualism is suspect to being Left imo, but ancaps will outright reject it with the caveats they introduce for their free market.
i thought the pirate flag to be for the black army.
damn
technocracy is weird state socialism
How can it be socialism when the whole premis of theirs is not being for democracy(nor the ownership of the workers) but rather standing for creation of resource based government of psudo-plutocracy with technocrats as plutocrats?
Snibedi snab dead centre :–DDDDDDDDD
No, and the authoritarian-libertarian axis is based entirely on liberal delusions.
"Your question suggests that socialist society denies personal liberty. That is not true. Of course, in order to build something new one must economize, accumulate resources, reduce one's consumption for a time and borrow from others. If one wants to build a house one saves up money, cuts down consumption for a time, otherwise the house would never be built.
How much more true is this when it is a matter of building a new human society? We had to cut down consumption somewhat for a time, collect the necessary resources and exert great effort. This is exactly what we did and we built a socialist society.
But we did not build this society in order to restrict personal liberty but in order that the human individual may feel really free. We built it for the sake of real personal liberty, liberty without quotation marks. It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.
Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible."
technocracy circumvents the exact problem at the root of capitalism: production for exchange
technocracy is just state socialism minus democracy (like a vanguard party) with a specific organizational form of appointment based on knowledge and distribution mediated by energy credits rather than labor vouchers
production for use by the whole of society for equal use by all is definitely socialism
Noh ghuns fuhor jyou
this meme needs to die
There's no meaningful difference between domination by state institutions and domination by private institutions. If you support one over the other it doesn't make you any less authoritarian.
the techies whould be far more left. They want to massively controll the marcets by means of central planing and. Technocracy Inc plannned to establish energy certificats instead of money. They also viewed personal property as social constructs.
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fuckign hell mate you couldnt even fit that last thin on it?
Also yes technocrats are a weird form of state socialism. Listening to a technocrat video is like listening to communist doing his very best not to say any words associated with communism.
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Im really lazy when it comes to files. I keep verything in order but not in a way thats tidy.
NationaI Socialism is in the top middle.
LMAO
no it's in the trash
Seriously, stop strawmanning NS as being some corporatist GOP shit. It was serious about taking on the capitalist system.
Yeah, and the colonial powers were about to invade and attack their country.
You know what Lenin did when his country was having problems?
en.wikipedia.org
Does this mean the Lenin hat should go to the authoritarian right? No, because he just needed to do that for the situation.
Nah, it was another shitty populist ideology to keep Porky in power that was just simple enough for the average pleb to understand. Hitler made literally no attempt to disestablish the Capitalist system in Germany and never intended to.
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I hate when Egoists, Nihilists, Insurrectionists and Ilegallists. label everyfucking single fuck a Spook.
it's like they are trying to invalidate/evade everything with a spooky scapegoat.
Nazi Germany achieved socialism to the same level the Soviet Union did.
I see no differences between the USSR and Nazi Germany tbh.
Wrong anthem faggot.
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Do you save pictures of your shit?
karutchan Holla Forums, return
stop being pedophobic, lefty stormfront - revleft said there is literally nothing wrong with fucking children, WHO are you to discuss this? JP2GMD for 100%!
pederastry and homosexuality with it are ancient european tradition from hellas and romania
nevermind islam, we too should allow polygamy if we legalised the latter
what the fuck dude, do you even Useful Idiot and goebbels?
N-S should be far more on the authoritarian left, read Mises' work comparing Socialist Reich and Russian Soyuz economy, which was basically, well, very alike if not almost the same
Obligatory:
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
if believing the suvorow-rezun, stalin basically was behind hitler's rise to power. before he betrayed him, said "we will show those russians real socialism"
not that trot was any better (fled to fascist mexico), as hitler when in prison was reading marx-engels books aswell as his diary, personally being well aware of the ideology (and its rather forgotten racial part, revolutionary holocaust :^))))
Anybody who uses the black flag and isn’t hardline left is coopting the symbol because they know anything resembling their actual ideology would be recognized and they would be rightfully reviled
Most so-called communists want a stateless society, they just feel they need to use a state to get there. If an ideology is characterized most by the means used to achieve it, then liberal democracy is revolutionary.
Technocracy has a huge relationship with fascism
Literally “we are better than you, so we make the decisions” the ideology. Sounds familiar.
I’m pretty sure the Wikipedia article has been scrubbed of mentions of far-right thought because I remember it mentioning this.
It’s hard to imagine a much more authoritarian ideology though.
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It is really autoritarian. The Dystopian societies in Brave new World and 1984 can both be seen as technocracies. The people are being controlled by an Elite that uses expertiese, technology and social engeneering to controll them. But its still economily left. Capitalism is opposed because of its lack of controll and because of the use of a price sythem.
Fixed it.
where are anfems? ;^)
aha
no
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The chart in general is kinda dumb. Roughly speaking, the Left is for the abolition and/or diminishing of what it sees as historically contingent hierarchies and the Right is for the maintenance and/or strengthening of certain hierarchies. To simply divide it on purely economic lines is reductionist and right-libertarian/left-authoritarian are oxymorons. "Left-authoritarians" are actually more to the right and "right-libertarians" are variations on free-market conservatism. Period.
Only with a really tortured argument from linguistic descriptivism and plainly ignoring history, yes.
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Disappointed.
He's clearly libertarian right, dumbass
Actually, he's more in the middle. Kind of an agorist type maybe.
He's an intergalactic drugs and arms dealer, amongst other things.
I figured Rick is an anarchist. How is this not the case?
There were some pretty key differences. Authoritarian does not mean "everything is the same".
Well, I don't know, it's hard to say. His past seems to indicate that he may have been politically active, and he's an anti-authoritarian, but in the present time of the Rick and Morty that we're following in the show, it seems like he's kind of become a nihilist tbh
We already know that about his past. He did terror attacks against the bug people's galactic government or something.