God damn, even the Japanese have a more active leftist board

God damn, even the Japanese have a more active leftist board.

hitomi.2ch.net/poverty/

5th most active according to their stats.

Other urls found in this thread:

2ch.hk/ussr/
echo.2ch.net/kyousan/
bienvenidoainternet.org/
bienvenidoainternet.org/zonavip/
bienvenidoainternet.org/world/read/1470241298/
hispachan.org/
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

i wonder what they talk about

Makes sense to me.

Don't forget 2ch.hk/ussr/ !

Holy shit

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dear diary: i wish i could read japanese

Good for them. Netouyos (Japanese alt-right) are even worse than Holla Forumstards.

what are they ? a bunch of samurai cosplayers ?

I wish the place I go to had a leftist board (it's in spanish).

Some of them are.

They are talking about the news, mostly. There is a thread ongoing about Monster Hunter, a Pokestop in Pokemon Go, a festival in Aomori.

echo.2ch.net/kyousan/

This is the 2ch board for the Japanese Communist Party.

we should get some outreach and share our culture with them somehow. or steal some of theirs

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do they have any dank memes ?

There is nothing interesting here


Most threads seem to be anti communist

How about we invite them here ?
Any cyka or nipfag here ?

this

let's have a meme exchange

I don't think they'd be interested in that. International interactions on this board are rare, to the point where international posters are unable to post except for certain ones.

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well, I'm in Mx

Feels like a more casual leftypol.

Seems like chan culture.

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what's wrong with /marx/ and /int/ ?

RevLeft is just as bad as /r/fullcommunism. And Chairman Unruhe is not quite as bad as either.

How do people normally browse 2ch? The desktop site is absolute shit.
Also, what boards are good?

Anybody here speak gook?

They use readers and apps for reading it. No one uses the vanilla site.

I vaguely gathered that, but which ones?

Fucking plebeian newfag not respecting the textboard style

are you implying everyone here is from US?

You can really only assume that he's talking about 2ch.

Mind posting a link?

bienvenidoainternet.org/

Their main board is bienvenidoainternet.org/zonavip/

I'm imagining nazi sympathizers who always love to bring up Koreans and how imperialism was good

Not really nazi sympathizers, but you're right about the other two. They're always trying to blame the koreans for everything and they're pretty sure Japan never committed any war crimes during WWII.

bienvenidoainternet.org/world/read/1470241298/

I made a thread on their int board.

damn right

The japanese grandfathers of /pol.

Just replace western imperialism for Japanese imperialism from the Meiji era, and racism against blacks and conspiracies about Jews for conspiracies about Koreans and Chinese.


Unruhe is a bit autistic, but otherwise recommended.

Is this nigger serious?

I'm on a low level but i can make my way through. I already posted


What a graveyard

It's comfortable.

Asians can't be leftists. They are genetically disposed to adhere to values such as working slavishly and le tradition spooks.

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Holla Forums doesn't even read up the shit they claim to be advocating
the typical nazi has Mein Kampf only as decoration
have you ever seen a nazi quote anything but empty platitudes?
granted, there's hardly anything but that hitler would've given, but whenever he tries to give substance he's such an obvious uneducated moron it's plain ridiculous and a nazi who'd read it probably feels too ashamed to really associate himself with this crap

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No, I'm implying that everyone at 2ch is (mostly) Japanese or foreign immigrants. IPs outside of Japan can only post on 2ch in certain boards. This is not one of them.

and I suppose you're genetically predisposed to being a massive faggot?

yeah, nah

kek

What are you even talking about? There's a bunch of posts, even from today.

That was a hyperbole.

They hate putin. I've talked to them before.

Why? I assumed all authoritarianism to be a right wing thing. With communism taking a different approach to Not Socialism (i.e. it's nationalism)

Left for me speaks for liberty.. when then that change?

Would you mind re-iterating your logic?

At this point it seems you presume that Communism is against "liberty".

It literally regulates people to point where you cannot move unless it aligns with the agenda.
The structural policy of the agenda forces the allocation of people to roles.

That's the definition of restricting liberty. The fact you're dumfounded by that concerns me.

Because that's a good sign you have a doublethink interpretation of the word.

No.

Let me guess, you use the USSR as an example of communism? Why are you here, bro?

Left and Right are empty words

So the USSR is not communism?
Hmm.. then tell me how it is not?
Because it certainly seemed to be the basis for their revolution.
That's just capitalism you dumbasses.
Holy fuck.


I actually believe in that too. I was just pointing it out.

Easy mode: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

Do you see the word Communism anywhere?

That's not what capitalism is, my dear user.

What an argument! I guess North Korea really is a democratic state, afterall.

Top wew

it's literally the exact opposite

> they were secretly communist
Tinfoil much?

What the fuck are you even saying?

Your argument, to show how the Soviets weren't enacting "communism", was shit. Indeed they weren't - not because "communism" wasn't in their name.

And are you saying that North Korea is secretly democratic? My god.

Oh and it seems the only difference is this:

The only difference is that money is changed and replaced with government.

Which seems pointless.


Nope, but socialism is always just a transition towards communism


But it is. Except:
Which to be frank is legal fiction - because the government actually controls your property and merely gives you the right to use that land (for a fee).

The only difference is the structure of production. And frankly, every time communism in any form is tried, it requires a means to get people to produce certain things and distribute it efficiently . (guess what they ended up using - oh it's money)

You are literally believing that something is diferent something else, when they're practically the same bar one thing - the means of exchanging virtue.

And everytime they try to use alternative methods, it fails and resorts to money.

All you can do is either :
1. heavily regulate the money use (authoritarianism)
2. let the money be used freely (libertarianism)

You see what's happened? Communism and capitalism are nothing but memes meaning the same thing.

jesus of fucking christland

It has to, otherwise it cannot work.

It needs to reach a threshold of allocative efficiency or the whole thing slows to crashing halt.
How do you do that without money?

You use physical force. You enslave them.

Are you really this retarded? Did you read anything?

North Korea is a democracy, it's literally in their name.

You're wrong about literally everything that comes out of your stupid mouth.

But it inevitably is owned by one entity one way or another.
Or atleast is distributed amongst one community by a government - which gives you the right to be on that property for a reason (in western countries that's through title, which is obtained through money and the government's consent) - socialism.

No im not.

We've been fed lies for over a century about:
Communism v Capitalism.

They are both the same except one uses money (and theoretically, no government) and the other uses force (and government).

Either way, there will ALWAYS be a king.

So stalin poster is right: The Soviet Union wasn't communism because there was no "Communism" in their name. Not because they weren't a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

And North Korea is indeed a democracy, because it's literally in in their name.

top kek.

Oh my bad, it turns out there are actually two retards in this thread instead of only one.

wtf i hate myself now

What did he mean by this?

Democracy is literally the same as one government as you have seen with the US government.
It's at the liberty of whoever controls that government.

We can have democracy that could use force and no currency.
We can have one government that could use money and no force.

In reality, we have a mix of all of the above.

But always one thing is certain - we have a king.

And at the same time, that king is at the mercy of the lower classes.

The French revolution did nothing but create a new world order. And aint that obvious today?

I see why leftypol exists now.
You don't know how to argue and just consider others as ignorant.

aint that ignorant

Put it this way.

If you want a new king - dethrone the old one.

Get rid of the banking families.

Do you even realize how thoroughly brainwashed you are?

Oh I'm brainwashed, mind telling me how I'm wrong?

This is a really fundamental difference.

Because if money is earned through "merit", then what makes that any different from communism which also chooses through "merit".

Oh and what's merit? Whatever the current king decides.

That's the good old rothschild family right now.

Oh sure, but eventually with capitalism one person owns all the property.

And becomes king.

In communism the government becomes property.

And becomes king.

Now you know why we had kings in the first place.

meant holds all the property.

But they aren't.

That's the whole point of capitalism. You earn money only if you are rich.

Have you ever heard of democracy? You know, real democracy? When you vote for things? Not "elected" "representative"?

And you're only put in a communist government if you have the connections (i.e. inherit it).

The only thing you can do to prevent this is to stop this line of inheritance.

That is why empires start liberally, end up authoritarian. They know their time is up by the end.

Yeah I know all about Clinton Foundation. see what I mean

Go away Holla Forums. You need to starve a bit, before you'll embrace the rigours of critical thinking.

The irony of that post.

Do you really think ALL people are good? And honest?

Because here's a newsflash - they aren't
And the most evil will be the ones to control in communism, the ones so articulate and with such great connections they're endorsed by everyone.


Greed is not just money, it's power

You either accept that and bend the knee.
Remain apathetic and ignorant.
Or usurp.

This is why anti-gun control advocates are so vocal.

You remove guns.

You make it harder to remove a tyrannical leader.

Like we have now.

There isn't one "duh communisms", there are many variants of it. I don't support unrestricted centralized power, it was only necessary(if that) in Soviet Russia because they needed to industrialize as fast as possible.


Stalin isn't worse than many capitalist leaders, neither is Mao. That isn't a reason to drop socialism, just like the United States executing millions of people doesn't serve as a reason for many to drop capitalism.


Obama isn't a tyrant you retard. Obamacare is the only reason I can get insurance, even if it's shitty.

19th century Newsflash: Marxism is specifically about how they aren't inherently good.

You have no idea how retarded you look, do you?

And that's the big lie. It tricks people into believing that it removes this.

It doesn't.

Capitalism at least let's the people decide in which direction they'll throw money. And the propaganda is "advertisement".
Communism is only different insofar that it's less localized and the people themselves are less likely to make the propaganda.


Oh really?
Why did they have to do that?

Oh and if you think it's ok to restrict that unreasonably you've lost me there.
That would be hell unless people realise why we would need to slow down.

Actually, I think he's threatened to do things to be quite honest.
But his immigration policy is woefully inadequate. It's simply pushed for others agendas - like the banks who need more and more people to give debt.

Can you explain, how the two are systemically similar?

communism = no state, no money, no socioeconomic classes
socialism = workers own the means of production, workers are paid for the full value of their labour, workers democratically run their business
capitalism = individuals own the means of production, and pay dozens, hundreds, or thousands of workers a wage that is worth less than the value of their labour

This is getting boring.

Start using quotes.

No, it doesn't. People don't get any money to throw.

Read previous posts,

Because I cannot be bothered explaining again.

The first time I realised it, I could hardly believe it.


communism = no state, no money, no socioeconomic classes

>like work bosses


Look I could go around and give quotes, but you should be to infer what I meant from what I said. Otherwise if you think the terms were used incorrectly, look it up.

I do Law and Finance.

I know the two are the same.

Also you have no socioeconomic classes if you have no monetary system.

You do still have social classes. I think the Bolsheviks proved that.

The main point is:

A cult of personality is inevitable consequence of human functionality.

We don't go anywhere until we have something to bait us.

fish are naturally inquisitive

No dude, he's the only one that REALLY understands.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Communism is the end goal. The state being a group of individuals with the power to influence society and the economy; in communism, the theoretical endpoint of socialism, there would be none.

i don't even know what you're implying
still don't know
You can have leaders, organizers and managers who are not capitalistic. The difference being that they are elected from the worker ranks, by the workers as the best choice for the role that they would fulfil. The overall direction that the organization takes would be directed democratically.

something like; production output - resources input * % contributed by the worker adjusted for the average productive labour time


In the early stages of socialism, perhaps, especially if it's market socialism. That's not to say that transitional state socialism still wouldn't be democratic, and the question hardly puts any form of socialism to the test. But late stage socialism, and communism, won't have an economy in which that is even possible.

oh, thank god you said human functionality. I'd almost thought you were spooked enough to say human nature

Spoilers: you're still spooked as fuck, kiddo

why do you think Christ used the Shepherd/sheep logic?


Actually, I'm getting used to it.
You know that "wake me up" meme?

Well I believe someone with money pushed that so we'd "wake up"
Once you know what happens, you become inquisitive in EVERYTHING
The world get's colour.

Communism is again, unobtainable unless all of society sees what I just suggested.

Protip: that won't happen without us all fully understanding that.

So we use bait. Money.

nigga, they were still trying to decide on their roadmap to communism, let alone being socialist at that point.

That's the big lie

No one likes being led. So if you pretend they have freedom without the need of others, you have freedom.

The reality is, there is no real master/slave relationship.
Peasants have a master, but that master was only the master if you let him be the master.

And like all memes that are naturally selected - they have a tendency to converge

Guys you know that illuminati meme?

Well here's why it exists.

Pyramids are almost the logical, functional consequence of human society.

It can be done with money.
It can be done with virtue.
It can be done with social interactions.

It's the final boss of memes. We need to figure out a system that deviates from the pyramidal structure.
I can't see any as it is to be honest.

It sounds like you're claiming that when Lenin and the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar and strung up the aristocracy, feudalism wasn't ended. Can you either clarify this or support your claim?

What I think you're trying to say is, that once the feudalistic system was deposed, hierarchy still remained, thus socialism and feudalism, and capitalism are effectively the same. However "a capitalistic system should be built. One stage needed to be completed before the next was possible." ie, feudal > capital > social > commie. They weren't yet socialist. Russia was a political void that needed filling.

The fact millions of people died at the command of the government for several projects. (one in particular, the road of bones)

That says to me that it is impossible to not have social classes for that to happen.

Infact, the gulags were merely slave camps.

That's why I cannot stand communism. The only difference it created was literal slavery.

Debt slavery is just sugar coated slavery.

Whether you're a slave depends on who leads you and the people's ability to overthrow government.

which we need to do NOW

And that's the big lie.

They were all names for the same thing

All we need to do is:

But only after:

So here's the big question: do we make ourselves the same?

I think no. No logical person would want us to be exactly the same.
So we just continue the cycle.

Rinse and repeat.

We have a period every so often to forgive debt

Oh but Jews (the ones controlling the banks - rothschilds) only do that to the chosen ones! (Shemitah)

Have you ever heard about books? For reading?


Lenin and Bolsheviks did not overthrew the Czar.
Lenin and Bolsheviks did not "sprung up" aristocracy.
There was no feudalism in Russian Empire in 1917.

I remember only one such project: beating the shit out of Germans.

"The road of bones" is a hoax.

You can neither accept nor reject Communism. It is impossible for you to have any feelings about Communism, because you know nothing about it, nor about Soviet Union.

I don't think so.

There are always idiots that want to control things.
Have enough of them and they DO turn the system that should be equal into feudalism.

So I think the best we can do is hope that enough people will try to crack down on that.

.. and that's probably impossible. We've tried it many times, and many times we've had people achieve their goal of control.

I notice that a lot of posters there really buy into this distinction between Japanese people and everyone else, so much so that almost every issue is framed around this distinction, and supported by quips along the lines of "White people are …" or "Japanese people are …"

It's tiring. When I was in Japan I observed people doing the same sort of thing. It's like it's impossible to speak without making some kind of generalisation.

I'm slightly triggered.

hispachan.org/ is the most popular spanish language imageboard

I used to lurk there but it grew too cancerous for me.

no pls no
im from hispachan, there is full of shit-skin neonazis

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also where's /turdpositionist/ ?

Well that's a shame, and I thought about using it too.

Back to shitty fucking Puertochan it is.