Is it Liberal Feminism that this board is against, or Feminism as a whole...

I agree with you here, but it should the solution wasn't women joining the workforce as you agree. If a woman wants to be more autonomous, she should be able to. The same goes for a man.

Marxist Feminism is okay.

Basically, some stuff is already gained. The rest (proper child support, compensations for housework, etc.) has wait until after the revolution. Everyone is having their problems. Seize MoP first to make problem-solving efficient for everyone. Then start making things work properly.

I've come to hate those self-entitled wise-ass icons (book / glasses). Apparently, some people really need to get shot for being delusional assholes and propagating their idiocy.

Educate yourself on an actual feminism, rather than memes. Are any problems really solved by allowing women to act like men? Why do you think birth-rates are falling in the First World? That must be Putin's propaganda, right?

Why are you asking leftypol? Only 10 people here have read any feminist literature, the rest get all of their info about feminists from youtube

Feminism from any socialist or marxist perspective is fine. The problem is with feminism is sorta the same problem that exists with Social Democracy, they attempt to fix negative social relations on a system built upon negative social relations.

Therefore, they can never truly be "radical", as radicalism is solving problems from the roots, actually getting rid of capitalism.

The same problem feminists share with social democrats is that when working within the system, the system always ends up eating you. Which is why you have a lot of liberal feminists just as the modern day porkie Social Democrat parties, practicing bourgeois actions and methods which you can see with people like Anita Sarkeesian.

It's also worth noting anti-feminists such as Sargon Of Akkad, Thunderf00t, The Amazing Atheist, Atheism Is Unstoppable *tip*, etc are just as and if not even more cancerous than any of the liberals and "socialists" ridden with identity politics.

Ignore the nose and glasses man, he's stupid, unread greek that thinks his uninformed opinions have value.

Pay those debts

liberal feminism along with the rest of liberalism is shit

...

I'm only against liberal feminism; proletarian feminism is still relevant and important even if you aren't interested in feminism and has cross relevance to proletarian theory and struggle.

As of late I've been studying:

Who should be interesting to any communist or Marxist across multiple areas.

and:

Particularly 'Caliban and the Witch' which is IMO the best piece of theory from the Autonomist Camp and via breathing new life in to the concept of primitive accumulation is a very useful piece of work for Marxists.

What's the benefit of not letting them? Seems more difficult.

see

Ready for it ?
C L A S S S T R U G G L E D E V I A T I O N

You're right I'd rather be devise from you

Why?

Intersectionality is pretty trendy right now in Feminism, what's everyones critique on it?

no waaagh! but the class waaagh! comrade

The dubs say the truth
The dubs never ever lie

Makes sense in principle. Considering history/how power is dispersed through society it's damn near impossible to talk about one topic in isolation.

(Anecdote warning): in practice it usually turns into "Okay but why are you talking about the class struggle instead of {insert whatever is trending on twitter}?" Which…seems to entirely miss the point of an intersectional approach, but whatever

Just an attempt at trying to slap it into a package that the masses will swallow. If you draw the lines between all these things, its just one giant pill of ethics for people to swallow The big issue with this is, that the casual observer dosen't get everything he's swallowing, he takes the notion just for the sake of the notion. Getting people to swallow the big idea lets the small tenants of facism take root, cause after all, you've swallowed the entire notion already.

Small harmless ideas, link it to other things, next thing you know, you've lost all your basic freedoms.

On a board as slow as this, yes

What the fuck are you even going on about

...

Getting people to bite into the iconography of a few things, gets them to swallow and accept all the pre conceived notions and ideas that it gets packaged with. This is the danger of intersectionality,getting people to buy into a few things, gets them to swallow an entire package. That package features everything from lost rights, to basic classim. Intersectonality is just a tool for modern fascists to do what they like.
Buying in to the package, the tool of modern day fascists, intersectionality.

The best way to convince people is to post the cover to a video game

The whole bulletin board quality of imageboards means that I'll just post neutral images with things at times. :^) Don't like it? Lump it.

Posting a dead manga helps too

That whole, smug aristocratic outsider thing.
Pointing out conceits helps too babe.;)

I've only ever had a bad time with liberal feminism

do not deny my lived experience :^)

liberal feminism is how I deal with my dry, sandy vagina. It's philosophical therapy because the inside of my cooch chafes even when standing still.

This is the closest you'll get to a sandy vagina in the wild, so you might as well ask me questions about it instead of pretending to be me

Based on the timing of this comment and your last one, you've been staring at this thread for the last ~45 minutes waiting to respond. That sounds like a bad case of chaffed, sandy vagina if ever I've seen one.

...

...

K E K

...

What is still to be achieved in the west in terms of feminism?

...

The internet honestly is beyond the scope of the west.

This aged pornstar looking fuck is an authority on feminism and lesbians.

Yeah yeah, fascists are the ones pushing degeneracy. That makes perfect sense. You can tell by all the fascist iconography at their marches.

splendid ad hominem

It's a shame you ruined an otherwise good point with this nonsense. The point about 'buying into the whole package' is prevalent on both left and right. On the right, you've got people who oppose mass migration. They may not have been right before this but the left will tell them this makes them basically fascists. So they (the anti-immigration guy) gets defensive over these attacks from the left, seeks refuge in like minded people. They'll then gradually start to accept other 'right wing' ideas (anti-homo, anti-socialist. maybe even anti climate change if they get deep enough). This results in polarisation, a guy not that radical before driven to more radical stances because of attacks on one sincerely held stance. And this cuts both ways.

So you're saying third wave feminism is about international issues? Cool. Well let me know when we're marching on the Saudi embassy. Til then though Imma just ignore the bleating about wage gap, rape stares, man spreading and institutional sexism in the west.

don't age-shame

This is feminut poster. Don't expect it to practice what it preaches.

You're such a victim bitching about people bitching about being victims

Who said I like old people

Your victim status is imagined and propagated by people with an agenda other than equality.

A general comment. You get all arsey about sexism against women but have no issue with sexism against men, ageism or any other -isms that don't affect you directly.

Source?

Or you can't take what you give.

Nope. If you think modern western feminsim is about equality then how about a couple of examples of inequality in the west? And if you say again 'it's not just about the west' then how about you point me to one of your favourite feminist critiques of islam. Don't feel the need to hold back either.

I'm not the one seeking new protections under law.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36775398

As soon as you start seeking such legal protections, you are seeking to place yourself above others in the eyes of the law. Get fucked.

I can take a joke and you can't. Is that evidence of some sort of inequality or disconnect?

That's interesting, neither am I.

Also get fucked

There's a difference between taking and being a joke. You should learn it.

Nope. I don't give a fuck about old people. Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Third wave feminism is. Fly with the crows…

Yes, I know the diffrence. You are both a joke and cannot take one.

I don't get why you assumed I care about the elderly.

Fly with the crows you get an awful metaphor?

How am I a joke. Explain, please.

Why explain a joke? Does it not ruin it?

In practice all feminism is "liberal feminism". The distinction you're trying to draw is entirely contrived.

if your feminism isn't anti-capitalist gtfo

I have an answer. All jokes have answer. You have an answer.

All jokes are simple, so are you. That's the answer you can get, if I explain why you're simple, it would ruin the insult, the joke if you well.

Speaking incomprehensibly is no joke lass.

A literal shitposter.

But I'll bite.

You third-wave feministis are the fucking worst. Bourgeoisie boot-licker, talking about muh privilege of the color and of the gender, without talking about capital status, thus saying that a labour white man has the same muh privilege with a golden-boy. Which is nuts, but I wouldn't expect any better from proletarian-divisive shit like you. The only thing you want to achieve is make a little "safe-space", while you destroy any movement that could actually have a chance if you did not pollute it with your idpol shit. Remember OWS? It doesn't matter if it would achieve anything, any hope was destoyed by your bullshit.

Fuck you.

xD

I didn't say I was making a joke. I was calling you a joke.

You're making many assumptions and typos.

You haven't tried to prove otherwise

English is not my first language

Fuck you

You're refusing to address criticism of your supposed beliefs.

Should I?

Obviously

You should. Or you could just fuck off already

>Obviously

No I shouldn't. Because you obviously don't have a fucking clue what I believe since you've managed to both theorize what I do and ask at the same time.

eg You're an idiot.

But if the image doesn't have anything to do with your post then it's just off-topic.

anarcho-feminism? So anarchism that makes special provisions for those endowed with a cunt.

You should also know you're arguing with at least two different posters here.

I theorize what you do, but the truth is you shitpost and post sarcastic "jokes". You haven't post 1 arguement. And yet you expect us to take you seriosuly.

eg You're a idpol liberal shitposter, fuck you.

Sure.

I do.

Oh, you don't take me "seriosuly".

You look similar.

How can I take you seriously? I've seen all your posts here and they are shit.

Prove otherwise.

NO U

I wasn't saying what you think I'm saying.

Ok. I gladly would. But all of you are about as read as a poster on Holla Forums with the drive to change your mind as a Sargon watcher so I won't hold my breath so I won't debate you.

Are you 14?

...

Except the problem is you don't have an argument aside "LIBERAL LIBERAL IDPOL IDPOL LIBERAL IDPOL DIVISIVE LIBERAL IDPOL IDPOIL IDPOL" without a hint of irony.

Drink from the same well.

You aren't worth debating. I will not change your mind. I will mock you instead.

I'm sorry aren't those your very first posts in this fucking thread?

Unless there is another femposter here, I guess they are. You didn't even tried to begin a conversation, you literaly begun shitposting from the very start.

I am convinced that your have no arguments.

Now that's what i call irony.

not addressing feminist concerns is actually deviating women from class struggle lol

My thread turned to shit quickly.

Feminism does that

idpol does

also people who need to have the last word

...

...