Why do NEETs support the far-right?

but i don't want to be supported by losers

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Inability to see society as something to aspire towards. Tendency to anti-social behavior and resisting the greater good for the collective.

Semi-NEET here, i mostly view lefties as raging sjw hippies. Just here for the catgirls tbh.

Suprised?

Neet kv here. The left hates me. It is automatically assumed by literally everyone that i'm the scum of the fucking earth

This board hates me too. My bleak economic situation is not my fault, but my equally bleak social situation is completely my fault. Do you see nothing wrong with this assessment? Nobody offers a systemic solution to my problems.

You all can go fuck yourselves

I actually think this is the correct idea. Western societies are trending even more towards a winner-take-all model. For various reasons, it's much more difficult for men in first world countries with lower innate abilities to find a decent-paying job in order improve his social status, and thus his ability to attract and keep a girlfriend, as social status is an important part of male attractiveness. This leaves the NEET feeling left behind by society.

People of other ethnicities are also seen as competitors for white women. In addition, identitarian liberalism constantly attacks such men as the source of all social problems, and is seen as responsible for the "degenerate" behavior of women today, as in, "women are having sex, but not with me."

Fascism, to the NEET, promises to roll back these changes that have made women inaccessible and put them in their place, as in, subordinate to men, and offers a perceived increase in social status purely from being part of the master race.

NEETdom often comes with a shit-ton of shame, guilt and alienation. No one likes feeling like shit, so they look for ways to alleviate the pain. By supporting the right they can feel like they are contributing to the moral betterment of a hostile society that has declared them useless and deprived them of all dignity.
Nationalism and especially fascism also gives a sense of collective accomplishment and pride to negate their lack of personal achievements.
Fascism
recognizes the importance and value of the individual as cogs in a greater machinery, while capitalism prefers to see the world as a game of winners and losers, self made men and all that bull.

I know your family probably told you that left wing politics are about big gubbermint nannying society so people can be lazy and self entitled, but it's not true, whether or not it sounds appealing to you.

I know you are just the pet troll of this board shitposting but I think it's funny that there are losers out there that really think nazism would be kind to them.
You know this whole male-beta bullshit would be much, much worse and losers would suffer way more than they suffer now. Only the creme de la creme Chads master race would actually be allowed to have brides.

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Nice strawman asshole. Leftism is against capitalism. I am aware

Now explain to me how getting rid of capitalism will reinstate me, an ugly, overweight, stupid fuck back into society. My problems are not caused by capitalism, so why the fuck should I oppose it

Well, what do you have to lose from it? At the very least you sound like you should be apolitical.

In terms of gain, a socialist society would make it far easier to make something of yourself because the system would be geared for, not against you. This means a qt gf will be in your reach.

How

Because they are oppressed by le hetero-normativity and bullied by the sjw, feminists and society, you all fucking now that why do you play dumb

Link?

interesting. Do you have any sources on this claim? Historical or theoretical, either is fine.

No, that's how things are in feminism.

With feminism, women have all the power and make women compete for them in a ultra-macho spiral down to the bottom.

See: Latin America

In a true patriarchy, men are given arranged wives by their family (with new technology this could be done by the government) so people can start out their lives with a wife and have kids while they're still young and have high-quality eggs.

I thought the Jews have all the power

NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS
NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS
NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS
NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS
NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS
NAZI SCUM OFF OUR STREETS

I think some sort of validation is in order.

I just can't tell if these people are joking anymore.

If you were actually able to survive and live comfortably using your skills and doing things you like to do instead of feeling like shit for being used by a capitalists class you'd might be a lot happier and actually meet some people who like you and find you interesting.

because NEETs are lumpenproletarians, they are parasites that end up having distorted views on reality just as much as any other criminal does

NEETdom often comes with a lot of shame, guilt and alienation.
No one likes feeling like shit, so they look for ways to alleviate the pain.
By supporting the right they can feel like they are contributing to the moral betterment of a society that has deprived them of all dignity.

Nationalism and especially fascism gives a sense of collective accomplishment and pride, this help to negate the shame from lack of personal achievements.
Fascism recognizes the importance and value of the individual, as cogs in a greater machinery.
While capitalism prefers to see the world as a game of winners and losers.

What the hell is this use the same image twice cancer.
Drop the avatar nigger.

Because the left (outside this place) isn't even trying to recruit them, and will often embrace people who treat them as some kind of menace to society.

You can bear the burden of truth and accept possibly uncomfortable realities OR you can listen to the many,many, MANY media sources that bombard you with IDPOL and scapegoats, carefully crafted to appeal to your current situation.

Falling for IDPOL has the benefit of the status quo willingly providing you with "safe spaces" where you can get further indoctrinated and validate/get validated by fellow fools.

Freedom is abhorrent to most people because it implies agency.

These

lol, I don't even need to inb4 the totally-not-porky "They're just fucking losers that need to git gud"

Because degenerates belong in the oven.

Most people don't participate in politics to get results, most people do it to make a social statement.

I.E. to make yourself feel superior to those disgusting democrats or republican pigs. It's a social game, carefully sustained by media propaganda.

Also, people do what they are told or raised to do. It's not a secret that right-wing people reproduce a lot more than leftists.

I'm a NEET. Chronically unemployed. I hate the SJW shit peddled by the leftist parties these days. But I voted for the Greens in the last election because they want UBI (Universal Basic Income). And I voted for the socdems in the previous election. But our socdems are so classcucked that I voted for the Greens this time.

I really don't like the SJW shit. And I don't like the pro-immigration shit from the left. Since immigrants are depressing our wages and taking our jobs. But I'm getting old, one of my parents is deceased and my other parent is getting old. I need the state to take care of me or give me a good job. Because my siblings are definitely not going to take care of me. lol. I would rather suicide than work $8.50/hr 40+ hours/week. Wage cuckoldry is horse shit. And the job application/job interview process is very demeaning. And requires a shitload of effort. There are too many applicants (reserve army of labour) chasing too few job vacancies. That I just give up. Why bought fighting for scraps? Give me a job that doesn't suck or NEETbux. Or else one of these days I'm going to go Breivik/Timothy McVeigh on society… I can't take it anymore.

I fucked up the format of the post. When I noticed, I deleted it and reposted.
It's basically the same text to, whitey.

Nope.

Nope.

Probably because you're wrong a lot.

Okay, so this is about not kissing your ass.

Capitalism is likely to blame for you being overweight, and a stupid fuck.

Without profit to drive us, things like public safety, and quality of anime will go up, censorship would go down, and bad business practices would be entirely eliminated.

Also us NEETs feel emasculated by society. We feel cuckolded.

The feeling that Breivik must have felt when he shot all those SJWs point-blank or when Elliot Rodger shot those sorority roasties, he must have felt ALIVE. Elliot Rodger was obsessed with wanting to be the alpha male. He proclaimed that he would be the true alpha male after he'd slaughter all the normals, especially the Chads and roasties.

I fucking hate NEETs

I feel ALIVE when I have a poo.

Please go outside.

Why don't you see a psychiatrist, improve your life, get a job, and quit being emasculated and comparing yourself to serial killers.

Maybe then you'll get laid, but who knows.

See what I mean. Even the left looks down on the losers of society. The people who are the most negatively impacted by capitalism. The people who for whatever reason (due to autism or some other inability) just can't compete. The losers of society don't have an advocate.

This is why I want to run a NEET Party. You bourgeois roastie feminazi whores are content with the status quo liberal parties. There's no point in trying to pander to feminazis. We need a party run by the proles for the proles.

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You aren't a fucking loser. You have enough capital by you or your parents to survive off everyone else's labor. You're a fucking gnat, you aren't suffering. Everything you're dealing with is either mental illness or your own fault.

I fail to see why a middle class little bitch who doesn't read the material, bitches about shit that everyone is tired of you bitching about, and demanding we pay attention to you like you should be the priority of mine, or anyone radicals, time.

Get
A
Fucking
Job

When did I say anything related to boot straps you lumpen fuck

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Yeeah… We don't dislike you 'cuz you're a NEET, rather it's because you're an abrasive autist who's trying way too hard to be edgy.

Like I said, please go outside.

You want to call me a loser you anarcha-fem cunt? Bitch if I punched you in the fucking face and knocked you the fuck out, that's real darwinism BITCH

I hate me too. The Nazis would've euthanized me for sure. Maybe they still might get the chance…

That's not what I said. I said in the grand scheme of things, you are the bougie, relying on your upper middle class parent's cash to survive.

You're also a socdem and I just fucking hate that more than anything.

If you were actually, what you said you were, your parents would have kicked you out a long time ago.

As such, the homeless are far far far more important.

When did anyone bring up "darwinism". I think you have autism here is the problem.

I do have autism. You don't give a fuck about people who have disabilities. And you wonder why NEETs don't support your cause…

Doesn't matter you're just a bitch, and you being a bitch is not really a political issue.

Come here and say that cocksucker. Fight to the death. Darwinism. That's what you want right? Ultimate bootstraps 1000%.

Figures. I actually do care, it's just that I don't really care for you since you obviously are jumping in some /r9k/ band wagon screaming on the top of your lungs "THE LEEEFFFFT DOESNNNN'T CARRRRE ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! CUUUUUUUUCK"

I don't care for that. I don't think anyone cares for that. Which is the problem.

Yes, I wonder why the overly political mentally handicapped won't listen to reason and are easily persuaded by bullshit.

mfw

… Are you retarded?

You guys talk about revolutions. Yet you're willing to prostitute yourselves for $7.25/hr while we're the ones who are actually refusing to be part of this fucked up system.

I'm a neet.
lel faggot.

You're bitching right now. In this instant you are bitching. You are in the process of being a bitch.

You're literally going to become a prostitute once you're 34 and your parents say enough is enough

You obviously don't care, about that or anything not relating to twitter and tumblr followers.

Read Marx

Everyone here has read Marx, read Marquis de Sade

Go suck some black dick whore. You'll make more money than from your shit wagecuck job

… Once more: Are you retarded, man?

I mean, it worked for Chris-chan. Once. :p

WEW!
Watch it!
You almost revealed your neoliberalism there!

I live off neetbux.

de Sade is shit for edgy teenagers.

Watch Pasolini

I'm in college currently and I don't have a job. Working for a ph.d actually.

The hardest amount of work you're going to accomplish, I suppose, is being upset right now people aren't treating you like you're an innocent angel more important than the homeless

You guys are not revolutionary. You're a bunch of fucking pussies.

Making $7.25/hr at some wagecuck job. Working 40+ hours/week waking up to an alarm clock like a cuck.

You have no balls to kill some porkies. Only the far-right and ISIS are going around killing shit.

Explain. Is the concept of Lumpen neoliberal?

Ok but who are you calling a pussy when you're too scared of other people to go outside

I like your attitude Timmy. Don't let them take you alive.

Wait so a worker's revolution isn't supposed to have workers? Are you a troll?

NEETdom is getting more and more common. You can pretend it doesn´t exist, it´s their own fault or whatever idealistic bs you can think of, or you can see the problem the problem for what it is and think about how to respond to it in a socialist way. And you should do this because NEETdom is a socialist problem, potentialy healthy and happy people are being driven into isolation from society by the capitalist system, where they´ll either die suffering and alone (best case) or start shootie normies (worst case)

One also has to eat.
If one enjoyes beeing whored out to eat THEN one is to be blamed for supporting the system.

Don't let your anger shadow your judgment comrade.
It happens to all of us.
That is what the enemy wants.

But I'm a neet. I live off neetbux. There are leftists shooting people right now.

Middle class… as defined by income, I presume? In the weberian sense.

But it's not related to how society is organized at all, right?

Literally saying "pull yourself by your bootstraps" yourself. Kek.

You haven't joined the real world yet you bourgeois ivory tower college campus feminazi whore. College been there done that. And I actually worked after that. Got fed up of wagecucking.

Is anfem the designated shitposting flag now?

The entitled Western middle class who doesn't even work, doesn't feed, doesn't provide, doesn't labor, or doesn't learn, does not deserve the attention of others.

You are not in poverty, you are not of the proletariat, you just need to suck up and work towards how to better work to fight socialism. Which doesn't involve what this retard socdem is crying about "killing", it involves putting your position to your own advantage. Become a writer, a hacker, anyone who can accomplish something.

As it stands most NEETs are not going to get attention just by the factor that they are NEETs.

youtube.com/watch?v=MG7y8J0DXhU

Based AnFem wrecking little NEETszche pseudo-leftists.

Did your dad tell you that? Or does your mother know you're spending all day calling nice ladies like her whores.

Wonder what what she would do to that lifeline she's giving you if she did. You can probably still get grounded.

It has always been.

Exactly. How the FUCK can leftists expect NEETs and freeters to join the leftists when even the fucking leftists are throwing this "muh bootstraps" shit at us?

How the fuck are you middle class if you don't work?

I realy will never get the 'Murican Ideology.

If this is what funposting is like on Holla Forums, I don't wanna go back.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if your parents have enough resources to take care of you like a child, you're not someone of interest to the cause. You're lumpen. Worse, a child.

This is precisely why NEETs turn to Fascism.

Mommy and Daddy providing forever

Nope. Learn what lumpen means.

Fucking blacks,

All they do is scrounge all day, can't parent children, and attention seek.

Maybe it's in their jeans, I don't know, but it makes me sick. Why can't they just act more white?

At least white people are normal.

I want to work. FOR A LIVABLE WAGE. For a REASONABLE WORK WEEK SCHEDULE.

If we had socialism, we wouldn't be fighting for scraps. We wouldn't have 40 hour work weeks. They'd be shorter.

But yeah, go ahead and shit on the reserve army of labour and give us the "muh bootstraps" speech you fucking bourgeois whore

Join the alt-right.

It's either idpol trying to make the flag look bad or actually good posts. In this thread it's the latter.

So you're saying people are at fault for the conditions of their lifes.

But it has no relation to how society functions or even how it organizes itself.
The lumpenproletariat are not a product of a capitalist society, the problem is the individual that is too dumb and should've pull himself up by the bootstraps.

You're a pretty good shitposter, top kek.

Then work towards it, in whatever way you can, instead of waiting and screaming we aren't paying attention to you. Nobody pays attention to anyone here, what the fuck makes you so special with your parents feeding you crackers and cheese and fucking Lithium for youa utism, and every convenience you could possibly have with a working internet connection.

I'm not holding my breath.

You aren't who we are fighting for. If you can even be capable of the concept of empathy, you would look at your position, realize for the same reason you're complaining, a larger majority have worse; and work to do something to improve it.

Screaming why we can't take care of you like your parents
Doesn't
Accomplish
Shit

you shouldn´t judge people by the way they behave in a fundamentaly unfair system

No.

Read a fucking book.

please stop saying "top kek", it makes you look like a Holla Forums kiddie

I empathize with people worth my empathy. Like people in actual poverty, not some autistic weirdo screaming about how everyone in leftism doesn't pay attention to him.

White Male NEETS who refuse to ever shower or lift a finger to help anyone? Yes they are at fault, they have all the muh privilege in the world and don't utilize it.

Being a neet doesn't necessarily mean any of what you're implying it to mean. I don't work now, come communism, I won't work then.

Isn't your whole deal that loser neets won't support the left? Pay attention to me. I'm a bigger loser than you. I disprove you by being here.

I actually got out and voted for a socdem party that wants UBI. Which alleviates the problems the working-class deal with.

What the fuck are you doing bourgeois ivory tower whore?

Ok, in all seriousness, how do we respond to NEETdom?

There is a reason why the Japanese have a NEET epidemic. You can't say they are lazy either. They have work ethics pounded into them from birth in an extremely polite society.

How is it addressed?

"You're a fucking gnat, you aren't suffering. Everything you're dealing with is either mental illness or your own fault."

What I said, ie. "The lumpenproletariat are not a product of a capitalist society, the problem is the individual that is too dumb and should've pull himself up by the bootstraps.", is what you are saying.

"The lumpen are disgusting", kill them all. But they only exist because of capitalism itself. So who cares if they are dumb or not, they are still humans alienated by this shitty society.

Socialism.

Forced labor camps. That's the only way to turn them productive. It's like electro-shock therapy.

NEETs

HERE THIS CALL

RISE UP

Not comparing myself to serial killers as if it's positive (like you did), working towards gaining a better understanding of how these issues work (like you don't, and giving a large chunk of my pool of money to poverty relief and the homeless, charity, and trying my best to become a social worker to help people like you.

So unless your solution, like you said earlier, is "DUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR JUSSSS SHOOT SOMEONE THIS IS WHY FASCISM WINS :)" then I guess I'm not up to your retarded fucking standard for political change.

And I'm sorry you honestly think voting matters too.

My parents pressured me to go to college and instilled a work ethic in me to work hard. I did well in school. In the real world where social skills matter, that's where things really went to shit. I would knock it out of the park with essays and tests. But it's demoralizing when you go for job interview after job interview fighting for scraps and you walk away empty handed. Fuck it.

Programs to help them become productive members of society. I'd recommend a psychological screening (NEETdom does a number on the mind), followed by lots of therapy, before finally culminating in some sort of trade school to give NEETs useful skills.

It's the very epitome of "nanny state", but it's the best outcome for them.

Please be serious. Many of them have mental illness that is worsened by being overburdened in modern society. NEETs is Japan escape because of this reason. Many of them end up having extreme anxiety. Either because their society triggered it, or it generated it.

Just straight up socialism? how is wealth generated?

How is that wrong? In context of what he said, he basically said he was more important than the impovershed in his position, and the homeless in his position.

Some upper middle class schmuck living off mommy and daddy's pay roll are currently not going to be paid attention to as much as working people living in the same context under worse conditions.

Have you tried making money as a writer?

Or improving your mental condition through therapy or medication.

I never said I was more important than the homeless. lol. Where are you getting this?

Nanny state isn't always a bad thing when done for the right situations.

Society can do a number on the mind but NEETdom could make it worse.

NEETs are the true revolutionary class, feminazi sluts who want socialism so they can suck more cock are petty bourgeois.

Also, I suspect it's the chicken or the egg.

Are those prone to mental illness more likely to become NEETs when enough stressors are generated?

Does society make what is already there worse?

You never directly said it but you put yourself in a position of "pay attention to me instead of who you currently are or I'm going to go Timothy McVeigh"

Agreed.

Little bit of both, I'd say.

Lad you need to unpack that entire train of thought.

Yeah well, you're right here.

But even then he, himself, by saying that shows how alienated he has become - in some sense. He is one example of the many to come, since NeoLiberalism is getting more and more frisky.

I've known many people like that, in my life. From working class families - industry workers and so on - who live off of so called "bicos", which are literally informal jobs that pay but a fraction of a normal wage. And they, as a group, are becoming the norm here; they are fucked, anfem.

On the streets a neet would trick faster and harder for a working internet connection than any woman you fucking loser.

This is why I don't like feminists.

I really like that image, it's really funny. Great post.

Why does Holla Forums has so much losers and poor people?

Jesus fuck, Holla Forums's NEETs are basically princes compared to this shit.

Funny because I'm using the money from my trust fund for a prostitute tonight and I'm gonna pretend it's you as she gags on my cock.

Hey, maybe it actually will be you.

well I guess society just fucking sucks.

Homeless people should be going Timothy McVeigh also. Maybe society would actually give a fucking shit about them if they did. Look at ISIS. #blacklivesmatter. And all these crazy far-right nutjobs. They're actually doing something.

You didn't insult me you just insulted yourself.

You're using your mother's cash to buy a prostitute to say she's me because you're a revolutionary.

Bravo. You are showing us that unworking upper class NEETs truly are the working people of the world.

Pssh. NEETs existed before the internet. Only difference is they were obsessed with things like model trains.

lolwut?

This is why nobody is taking you seriously.

Most "lefties" I know are college liberals.

The whole point of socialism is to violently seize the means of production right? So let's fucking kill some porkies then

How to spot an American 101

Yeah but I fucked up harder and quicker than you did and I'm a leftist. Have you tried anarchism?

Many young men have been raised with expectations that they will be like their parents, or they were raised in broken households where they now fear becoming their parents.
A lot of people experience bully in school, isolation and alienation from their peers. No sense of belonging.
The older they get, the more stunted their maturity because they never had positive interactions with friends and family. Every failure feeds their depression and anxiety.
They reach a point where they become so bitter, they need to find something to blame for their lives "not being anime" or at the very least the fact that no one can tolerate them.
Demagogues, even those who spammed bullshit from stormfront on 4chan, took advantage of their anger and bitterness. It starts by targeting people who resent women because they blame the fact that they can't laid on grown women who aren't virgins. They then start feeding them shit like "she's fucking Tyrone while you're playing video games" and other nonsense. It's a slow drip that grows and grows.
I'm not saying my theory is applicable to all, but it seems to be anecdotal to the bullshit I've seen on image boards over the last decade.
As for economics, marxism isn't taken seriously in the mainstream and "alt rightists" like to LARP as nazis and the like, so muh gommunism is ebil.

I'm taking him very seriously. Most of the thread is. He's a true revolutionary unlike yourself, prostitute.

The whole point of capitalism is to make the most money right? Let's go abolish workers' rights and pay them pennies a day!

Yes

No

Take your lithium.

Hah! You make me laugh.

I think most NEETs have a bit of a persecution complex and deep seeded sexual frustrations that push them to the alt right.

What is the standard for NEET anyways? I have a job but don't make near enough to support myself so I end up leeching off my brother for a place to crash.

I guess I could start living out of my car and be self sufficient, but that's miserable.

Are we really going to let a clear agent of Holla Forums or capitalism divide the working and nonworking class through her feminine diversionary tactics?

"NEET"shaming is the greatest trap capitalism has created for the 21st century.
It's Neoliberalism incarnet.

"EVERYTHING IS YOUR FAULT! HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STATE OF THINGS! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THINGS CHANGE THEM!"

It's the most entitled neoliberal way of thinking. And I hear it almost everyday.

You forget historical materialism, you forger the role of the masses and you make all about "THE INDIVIDUAL".

This is why I hate feminismus.

I don't honestly know if I am.

Sholy hit, an actual, well-thought-out post in this thread?

As long as there are people that divesifie NEETs and the Reserve Army of Labor, yes.

Yes. NEETs are the biggest crime of Capitalism. Not the giant homeless population, not the poor and the hungry, not the endless wars, not the abused and the worn.

It's NEETs. The Neets are the key to all of this.

Yes it's me that's the Holla Forums agent, not you, who just said you love to use mommy's money for prostitutes, or the guy saying "this is why fascism wins" for not taking him seriously enough to consider on his attention whoring

The homeless are neets lel

Why thank you, I half expected a bunch of bitching.

You know what I mean when I differentiate between the two. I mean when I say NEET

Rich people who inherit money from daddy never have to work in their life. One day we actually do have to work or kill ourselves. But sure let's pick on the NEETs huh?

The homeless and the poor and the hungry are there because they deserve to be. It's sad and we should give them a hand, but NEETs are really the higher breed and meant for much greater things. In medieval Europe a NEET would have been a philosophy, a king, or a lord, but now he is little more than a slave.

You should check out Bob Black if you're ever interested in de-spookifying yourself.

You said neets were lumpen.

Aren't lumpen the most down rotten victims of capitalism, aswell?

Danish Holla Forumslack ex-NEET here.
Selfless interest in the greater good? An understanding that they are in a bad place in life and don't possess the discipline on their own to improve things, and need to be forced by necessity? I didn't start to get better till I spent some time homeless.
They would ask themselves where the money would come from, because they themselves are already taking money out of the system, and they already feel like worthless parasites in the first place.
Already such resources in place, it doesn't work very well, if only because the NEET doesn't get his act together enough to seek out that help. The problem is themselves, and when others take care of you for you, you remain weak.
Their current situation is horrible. They want it to be assailed.
I've been relatively poor my whole life. That's about as poor as people get in socialist Denmark.
Some socialism is nice, just so you don't have to see those who fall though the cracks starve to death, but I think it should be kept to such a minimum, and anything more should be voluntary charity.

Hardly. They're the ones who have the capital to be allowed to chose the parental coward's way out.

They have only the slightest idea of what Capitalism is.

You share that in common.

Go ahead and take my quote out of context you fucking bourgeois feminazi whore. We do have to work eventually. Or die. We don't have fuck you money.

Tell me more about whay NEETs will become in a decade?

Oooooh! RIIIIGHT!
We shouldn't look at our own yard!
We should only look at our neighbours yard that is in a worse state than ours!

Then why aren't US feminists only talking about subsaharan countries or Arabs?

He has a point, you know. There are bigger fish to fry.

We went over the definition when I was arguing that the resever army of labor was lumpen. We made cleared it's thieves, junkies and so on.

PLEASE READ A BOOK!

"Roughly translated as slum workers or the mob, this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers. It includes beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements. In times of prolonged crisis (depression), innumerable young people also, who cannot find an opportunity to enter into the social organism as producers, are pushed into this limbo of the outcast. Here demagogues and fascists of various stripes find some area of the mass base in time of struggle and social breakdown, when the ranks of the Lumpenproletariat are enormously swelled by ruined and declassed elements from all layers of a society in decay."

Lumpens have access to capital? Maybe you should re-read your theory.

Unlike your parents my bank account is looking like $21 and some change currently. Wonder who's the bourgeois. Sounds like your parents.

Maybe they'll learn to spell the word "what".

Are you guys the same person? If not, get a room.

I'm planning on a political run as an independent for office in 2-3 years here in Canada. The Conservative Party here is pro mass immigration. We don't have Donald Trump. So I should be able to clean up the precariat vote, including the /r9k/ and Holla Forums vote.

The bourgeois conservatives will hate on me. The SJWs will hate on me just like they hate Donald Trump. While I steal the prole vote. I'm going to cuck both the left and the right.

Why is it that every time I see this flag, completely regardless of the topic, feminism or otherwise, you are the worst poster in every thread.
I'm not saying only one person uses the flag, but every time I see it, I reach for my gun

Why the fuck would anyone who is against capitalism be bothered by NEETs? Their very existence is a liability toward capital, consuming but not contributing. NEETs are literally vampires for porky. The more people who stop working, the better. Fuck bootstraps shit.

Yeah, and I'll unite the cpc and the cpcml :V)

You were fun once.
You were talking BS but you were fun to argue.

Now you end up with ad hominems simply cause you don't want to see past your ideology.

If I was BO I'd ban you at this point.

Please. Either see beyond Ideology, or go to reddit or something.

I know you will not.
I know you extract great pleasure from what you are doing here.

…

Oh well. Serves my right for arguing with a psychopath.

SocDem poster may have autisms. But at least he tries to live with them.
You don't and it's sad.

^ Guy has a point.

...

The world is too complex to have people decide what should or shouldn't qualify deserving charity. You can't depend on it for this reason. That's why you have a welfare system in place so you generate a miniimum list of reasons for needed help such as being below poverty level.

There are numerous mental issue out there. Some illnesses make it so that helping themselves is extremely difficult. Some have extreme ADD and have no sense of time and forget everything. It's a very aimless existence. Only brief moments of clarity only to be forgotten later on.

I truly believe in a basic universal income. There is no reason why a modern world can't afford it.

In the US, social security has a 3 trillion dollar surplus and thats after they pay for those on welfare.

A universal basic income is inevitable. There isn't enough to do to give everyone a job that pays well. That's because we are reaching a point of civilization advancement where it's becoming a net negative. I think this is why we are seeing a rise of NEETS - There's a study done on rat society when there are too many rats competing - The system budges in the form of NEETs.

If one seeks meaning in life, and believe me most do, they will do some sort of meaningful work. If one wants more than the basics, and believe me they will, they will get out there and get it.

I don't understand this undying desire to "get everyone to work".

primitivism.com/abolition.htm

Well, the M-L KKE (maoist) and the KKE (m-l) united last election after 20 years or something.

Who knows?

No way this is real

It's because people have forgoten that they work to live.
They now live to work.

It's Calvinist Ethics + Neoliberalism.

Actually fully automated communism would be in your interests, fascism is wage slave shit. Also a lot of the problems with gynocentrism and what not come from traditional gender roles.

(cont)

It's like forcing 100 people into a room that has a max capacity of 25 people. You may squeeze in 5 or even 10 more if you have people wiggle in a certain way but it's going to leave out 60-65 of the people.

We are reaching max capacity.

Good point.

Yes. That's neoliberalism. You're the victim of neoliberalism. That's right.

That's what I'm saying.
The way I see it, by refusing to fight for scraps, I'm actually fighting back against the system.

It sounds like sour grapes when leftists are like "I'm making shit wages so you have to be down in the trenches making shit wages with me too." This is divisive bullshit. Poor ass fuck working proles vs NEETs. Instead of uniting against the porky menace.

I am with you working proles. I am your NEET Messiah. Vote for me in 2018 in Ontario and 2019 in Canada. $20/hr Canadian minimum wage, 30 hour work week, $13k/year basic needs allowance $7k/year shelter allowance for disability and welfare (the able-bodied will have to actively apply for jobs. But the jobs will pay $20/hr, 30 hours/week.) Protectionism. Bring jobs back. End Quantitative Easing (cheap loans for the rich). Free tuition. Expansion of public services. Nationalization of oil and key industries. Anti-mass immigration. Anti-visa worker program. Anti-SJW. I'm going to win the /r9k/ and even the Holla Forums vote from the right. Mark my words.

Yep.
You are a neolib.
Deal with it.

Hope you do comrade.
We only get one life. If that's the meaning you want to give to it, make it the best meaning there can be. (For you).

Poor little American with a full bank account. You're the true victim of this world.

Slip up there?

My plan is ruined! Oh no!

I don't think this is quite true. Rather, I think that most routine labor that was previously done by the working class, and offered a chance for a decent, secure existence, has been either automated away, outsourced, or has had immigrants insourced to do it for cheaper. There are plenty of job opportunities in, for instance, the software industry. However, most working-class people aren't exactly going to be able to learn to program well enough to carry out these jobs. In short, a decreasing number of people will have the cognitive capacity needed for employment as time goes on and automation increases. I do think that something like UBI will happen, though.

Good catch user

what is this, an image for ants

What do you feel is the solution to this?

Also do you think automation will lower IQ?

i'v asked my self the same question.
my theory is that neet are underachievers with low self esteem. they desperately seek something to be proud of, something to be part of that could make their lives meaningful.

right wing racism give them an opportunity to be proud of something (their whiteness), as if the fact of being born a certain way was an achievement on its own.
but hey thats enough to keep them going and not shoot themselves.

its also a way to be edgy, a way to go against the society they feel rejected from.

Implement UBI.

No.

I thought about going back to school to study computer programming. But if I'm going to have to work 40+ hours per week, it has to be something I'm passionate about. I don't think I'd be happy being some random computer programmer office cuck. I want to be an indie developer. But that market is heavily over-saturated. Consumers don't have the money to waste on apps. And advertisers don't pay that much to developers for free/freemium apps.

Besides the average HR roastie would look at my resume and wonder what's up with the huge work history gap. lol. I can't just say "health issues" (which is the truth. I have autism and undoubtedly have depression and what not).

This system is rigged. There just aren't enough jobs for everyone. And the "losers" of society lose out. And then you have bitches like anarcha-fem who give us the muh bootstraps speech and tell us it's all our fault that we're losers. And the left wonders why NEETs vote for Trump. lol.

I see. I misunderstood. Thanks.

I'm joking (sort of) but the YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE style of argumentation is becoming more common here as of late, like it proves anything. Vast majority of those people live in poverty and the more I post here, the more I think I'm surrounded by middle class fuckwits out of touch with the working class.

Do you really think many working class people are going to find their way onto an Holla Forums board devoted to left-wing politics, when the site has been delisted by Google? Consider that Holla Forums primarily exists for Holla Forums at this point.

A vast majority of neet Holla Forums posters do not live in poverty.

Bitch!
I from the country that is to Bay Debd!
What 'Murica?

Oh.. I forgot.. The world is 'Murica to you.

So, you cannot do your own thing, cause everybody is and there is not enough demand, you cannot become a prol, cause there is too much reserve army…
All basic needs take 10% or something of the population to get covered…

I wonder why you are a NEET. Trully, I do.
It's like there is a huge crisis of capitalism, like the great depression or something and overproduction has to be destroyed again and you are the victim or something!

Naaaah! You just need to have Trump build a wall and everything will be back to normal.
You'll have a wife, 2 beautiful children, a house in the subs, a job that lets you live your life… THE 'MURICAN DREAM!

And this is why it's perfectly OK to be depressed.

I did.

1st world proles aren't really expected to work anymore, just shutting up and getting out of the way is more than enough, and boy does bread and circus make things smoother.

Good luck lol, buckle up for that Capital flight.
Please get off my board.

How are you defining working class, here? If you mean "dosen't own the means of production and has surplus value extracted by an employer", obviously, basically all of us here are working class. But, if you're taking using working class to be synonymous with lower-middle or lower-class, I would bet that no more than 1/3 of the current active posters would qualify. I could be wrong, though.

Not every NEET/robot is a neo-nazi. Some of us lean more to the MRA side of things than the neo-nazi side. I'm very politically incorrect when it comes to race. I don't like immigrants and visa workers taking our jobs and depressing our wages. But I have more in common with Kent (autistic black True Forced Loneliness youtube celebrity. He has some popularity on /r9k/) and Elliot Rodger (Eurasian) than I have with some white roastie whore who just wants Chad. Who gives a fuck if the white roastie whore fucks Tyrone or Chad. It's all the same to me. They're both alpha males stealing all the women. There's another black guy from /r9k/ on YouTube as well.

I dated a couple girls who were brown. One of them was a visa worker even. lol. And I had sex with some non-white prostitutes. Racial minority women, especially if they are FOB, have been nicer to me than white women. White women are mostly bitches. Westernized non-white women are also pretty bad.

I would be very happy with a traditional qt Filipina wife and a qt Eurasian daughter. But I don't have the financial means to make that happen. Maybe if I immigrate to the Philippines where my capital would go further, I could meet a qt Filipina wife and have a qt Eurasian daughter.

Because they can't pay taxes
Also, it seems that there's a trend among memewingers: I kid you not, most people that surf 4shit/pol/ are just outcasts from society or socially isolated so they gravitate to rightwing politics because it relieves their frustration of the world.
You know, people with emotional issues supporting an emotional ideology.

You're a pretty garbage human lol
Also thanks for supporting my claim^

I don't want a Eurasian son because he would undoubtedly be the next Elliot Rodger. Since daddy is so fucked in the head. I'd want my child to have a vagina so that they'd have an easier life than I did. Women don't have to work. They just need to lie on their back and men will support them financially.

Stop being delusional breh

I'm not even right-wing. lol
Yea we are outcasts from society. No one advocates for us. Not even the "left". The left hates us. Yet the left wonders why NEETs are either apolitical or vote far-right…

i never said that.

Wouldn't it be easier to intergrate into society than to be angry?
I am socially isolated too but I am not going to have the same emotional maturity of a nazi.
I used to be Holla Forums, thankfully I stopped being retarded

Instead of coming up with solutions to make work conditions better, all the "left" offers is "pull up yer bootstraps!" Seriously?

13.5% of men 30-34 here are not employed. 19.5% don't have full-time employment. The jobs just aren't there. And the jobs that are there pay shit and we are still working 40 hours per week despite all the automation and labour productivity gains over the decades and the huge reserve army of labour. You make it seem like NEETdom is a small issue. It's a growing epidemic ffs.

You're obviously well off enough to go to grad school and get a PhD so maybe you should throw stones (bricks) at glass houses.

Why should I integrate into a society that smugly mocks me and treats me like shit? I didn't feel respected at work. At least when I was a student, I had a source of pride.

It's called being an entrapeneur you worthless sack of shit.

Anybody who knows basically anything about a little can correctly get this, yet you can't. You're lazy. Deal with it.

FUCK OFF!

So, I have this thing too.
We draw a line between NEETs and Reserve Army of Labor based on an arbitrary number of "how long one is unemployed" and "does one want to work". For me this doesn't work.
If the criteria is "time of unemployment" then who sets the arbitrary number? 1 year? 5? how many?
If the criteria is "if you want to work".. Well.. I am at work right now and I'd rather not be! I AM working and I DON'T want to work. Why am I then to say "Oh, person X is not my comrade cause he doesn't want to be exploited!" BS!

So, the working class is simply those that don't have the means of production. Being exploited is secondary as less and less workers are needed to produce the same amount, because automation. This lowers profit and inevtably leads to crisis and war. But that's a story for another day.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there you fall for yet another trap of Capitalism.
Your wage isn't low cause Pedro Took Yer Jab!. It's low cause wages don't rise since the 80s. Instead credit was used to supplement the lost consumer power and so on. I think you know the rest of the story.

I can understand you placing the source of your problems to "White women" and so on, but the truth is.. It's A L I E N A T I O N.
I can understand it's easier to blame something that you can see and interact with.. but sorry, it's the system. It's making us hate each other.

Also, can you define "white" and "eurasian"?

No, that's neoliberalism.

The left says "yes, this is reality and it is like this because that's how capitalism works". In fact, Marx has been saying this for 200 years.
You want a link to the mango?

Because that's human nature, bro.
Smoke some weed and don't get upset over rejection like Elliot Rodger. Be positive and your ideal self.
Sex is overhyped anyways, bro

/liberty/? What the actual fuck! I thought this was a leftist board. lol.

It is. Don't listen to him.
Entrepreneurship and the idolization of Steve Jobs is the biggest joke/tragedy of neoliberalism.

Elliot Rodger made everything about not getting laid. It's the greater picture. No respect from co-workers. No respect from customers. No respect from roasties. No respect from smug normies. When socialization provides pretty much zero reward all your life, you get into a state where you stop craving social interaction. I just argue with people on the internet now (well not always. But I devote more time than I should to that. lol). I am not sure what feeds this compulsion. lol.

I agree. But why are middle class leftists opinions more valuable than Holla Forums opinions?

Does laziness exist? Can it be studied in a scientific setting? The word lazy moralizes lack of motivation.

I think it's simply lack of motivation. If there is little incentive or if the one has mental illness, there really is no motivation.

It's a matter of motivation versus no motivation.

Also, Soc Dem just go shoot up a school already. You know it's your destiny:

u.pomf.is/pwxkcg.webm

Well, I used to sell drugs and still have a slug in my thigh. I guess I'm lumpem, though.

most of them are more concerned about immigration and social issues than anything. there isnt a left wing anti-immigration organization out there (which will be taken over by nazbols anyway) so naturally they flock to a group where they can call names and make dank memes of

That same need for social interaction that you reject.

If you push it that little bit further, motivation is a moralization of one's productive capacity - the motivation to "do" something.

Divide and conquer. The elite gets the lower class riled up. Point to a molehole and ignore the mountain. The system itself is broken. That's why USA politics is about anti-establishment because people KNOW the system is FUCKED. It's stacked against you. Even Trump had to support min wage. He can't expect to win otherwise.

It's deflection tactics.

Interesting.

I'd appreciate it if you could expand on that a little.

I'll take a link.

Mgtow flag when?

never?

Some user uploaded it on a hentai read, but I don't have that link.
Here, that one.

4shared.com/rar/wYR868iUba/kapital.html

I don't really know how to fam.

The life of a labourer is now predicated on their relationship to work. The sociality of an individual is derived from this material circumstance. This entire thread is premised around this assumption. So the moralization of laziness is an unconscious act of repetition and ideology.

In other words, a persons worth is based on their material value to the system? Another way of putting it: The identity of a person is centered on the extent of their material value to the system rather than being valued according to improvement of the self?

Commodity versus Virtue

Hope I didn't misunderstand. Thanks for that fam.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm

Start at the "first premises of the materialist method". It might give you an idea of how to approach questions like these.

Thanks.

Yeah I just don't feel motivated to wagecuck for $8.50/hr, 40 hours/week. The system is fucking rigged. I'm fortunate enough to be able to take a hiatus from work because I saved from previous work experience and I live at home. If it wasn't for my family, I'd commit suicide and probably take some people with me before I do. I have a fascination with killers who were marginalized and got their "revenge" on society. Including ISIS and #blacklivesmatter. As much as I hate Muslims and #blacklivesmatter, capitalism is making them act that way.

Looks like NEETs don't fit into your narrow worldview, that doesn't acknowledge the true extent of the misery that is the human condition.
That's why you get triggered by them.

The rest of this thread has proven otherwise. Right off the bat I'm worthless and my situation is somehow my own fault. No one understands that these problems are systemic and as our numbers increase the solution is always the same self improvement bullshit.

No you stupid fuck. When you try to gain support from workers you talk about how the removal of capitalism is the solution to my problems

maybe you didn't know, but that doesn't appeal to me because I don't see specifically how my issue of social alienation is tied to capitalism, only modern society as a whole.

But of course, I'm just a whiny ugly loser so I should be ignored. And the fact that I'm a virgin makes me a lesser being so I should just shut up because the issues I face in my life are not the issues you feel I should face, and you find me disgusting.

Yes, I'm upset. I thought I'd see some empathy here but I don't, except from the socdem guy

Porky is able to get away with paying us such low wages because Pajeet and Hector are willing to work for dirt cheap. Its not like we're importing revolutionary Sandinistas. We're importing hard working immigrants who'd literally suck dick to survive. My ex was a visa worker and she gave the best blowjobs ever. Whose to day she didn't resort to doing certain things to make the rent at times? She was living in dire poverty. I always had to pay for her things on dates because I had a job while living at home and she was struggling.

And then when us NEETS say we don't want to work for these shit wages, we are shamed by our baby boomer parents and society who think we are entitled millennials. Meanwhile baby boomers sold their children under a river ffs.

Yes that manga seems interesting. What is it?

The idea that having a job would determine your value to society is a capitalist spook. You can be of more use to other people if you don't have a job, because then you have more free time. So, just get rid of that spook to think that you would need a job to be valuable. If you have enough money, then you don't need a job.

Watamote, a manga about social anxiety.
slide.world-three.org/read/its_not_my_fault_that_im_not_popular/en/1/1/page/1

I was talking about Das Kapital, but Watamote works too I guess.

One job.

Yes, I'm upset. I thought I'd see some empathy here but I don't, except from the socdem guy

The onus is on you for mistaking leftypol for an online support group. There are any number of good ones that can be turned up by a quick google search. Here's one: crazyboards.org/forums/

Good luck in your search.

I have no mental problems

So no mental health issues, no apparent barriers to employment. An enabling family. No apparent passion outside of image boards and video games.

So tell us again why you deserve any more empathy than any random person on the street deserves?

I deserve equal empathy to any random person on the street

Okay here is your empathy ration. Next

Is NEETdom a systematic problem? Or are they all just inferior? Explain your answer

Systemic of late capitalism, see Japan

The best thing you can do for yourself is to view your continued existence as a mere compromise and never, even possibly, an inherently beneficial experience. Its only when you accept life on those terms that life can become equitable.

Did you make this? Please make more stuff.

It's a systemic issue that is appearing in many developed countries presently. Joined with a disappearance of those over 45 from the workforce, especially those with high school educations only.The fallout from 'secular stagnation', "baked in"' slow economic growth.

So the question you have to ask yourself is what you are doing to maximize this unstructured time? Are you reading between video game sessions? Here's a suggestion: hse.ru/data/2013/01/28/1304836059/Standing. The_PrecariatThe_New_Dangerous_Class-Bloomsbury_USA(2011).pdf

most of those are Holla Forumsfag trolls, nice try though

Trash.

Most the ones I know are on the left somewhere.

youtube.com/watch?v=bvlQHr590kY

William Pierce nails it in the first minute, replace skinheads with former /new/smen and Holla Forumsacks.

Things I have learned ITT:
Anfem invites more contrarian shitposting than anything else on this board (seriously socdem NEET is a fucking retard, stop defending him)
Anarcho-nihilist flag was fun but the joke's getting old now, just get rid of it.
If you have social issues but don't even seek help for them and expect everything to be done for you you're a fucking dumbass.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Under a nazi government the "macho males" would be put into eugenics breeding programs and people like you would be gassed.
Action T4 bitch.

Not unless he gets lucky by being a higher ranking member such as Goebbels. That's if they don't pull a Ernst Rohm on his ass(no pun intended).

Himmler was kind of autist honestly.

My guess is indoctrination + denial.

People have been taught very early on in their lives that all that matters is to have a job and get money. Which will lead to some kind of family life. If you can't conform to all this, then you're a failure of a human being in the eyes of society. NEETs believe in this naiveté they've been taught throughout their lives and think the far-right can help them achieve this.

I have this book. Highly recommended.

Professor Guy Standing says in the book that the left, socdems, etc. are out of touch with the precariat. The precariat perceives the left to be ivory tower socialists. And the natural inclination of the precariat is to vote for the far-right because no one is advocating for their interests anyway.

People like you are the reason why the left goes NOWHERE. NEETdom is a growing epidemic. 13.5% of men 30-34 here are not employed. 19.5% don't have full-time employment. People act like the NEET thing is

Being unemployed is one thing
Being a whiny little bitch who refuses to get help for social anxiety and expects the state to solve shit for him is another.

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Yes, seeking psychological help is a "muh bootstraps" argument

Maybe you should do some deep self-examination, it's not always society's fault

heh, that's the funny thing about social anxiety - it's difficult to talk to people

You buy into this meme that you just need to tackle the social anxiety and everything will be alright. Go to some over-paid psychiatrist, get over-priced pharmaceutical drugs. Then everything will be already.

No there is totally not something wrong with the fucking system. Where you have to invest the time to tailor your resume and cover letter to each job. And you have to be dragged into a job interview and you won't get the job anyway. And if by some fucking miracle you do get employed, it's like $8.50/hr 40 hours+/week. And you wonder why more autistic people aren't going on killing sprees…

I never implied this, just judging by your mad posts you expect to be tailored to your every need in a hypothetical socialist society. Why would we help someone who apparently refuses to help himself?
If you live in America then I get why medical help would be expensive, maybe find a healthcare coop which has a psychologist on their team and try it that way.
I take issue with you acting like an entitled little shit.

It's natural to feel depressed when you're poor.
It's natural to feel depressed when you have autism in a world that requires you to be neurotypical to function.

Mercury in vaccines are causing an autism epidemic. So society does owe me damages.

Ok now I know you're either trolling or clinically retarded
nice chat

cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

Potential conflicts of interest.P.A.O. is a coinventor and patent coholder of the rotavirus vaccine Rotateq and has served on a scientific advisory board to Merck. J.S.G.: no conflicts.

Autism is a fucking epidemic. So we know that there are environmental causes of some sort. It can't just be genetic.

Autism is an epidemic the same way ADHD was an epidemic, in the sense that the disorder has only recently been recognised and formalised clinically, and there are a good amount of overdiagnoses (mainly in the US)

There is a huge surge in the number of low-functioning autistic kids too. Not just high-functioning eccentrics like me.

that doesn't adress my point

Yes it does. Where were all these autistic retards a generation ago?

can you read

Don't you think that people would have noticed the retards a generation ago?

that's not how it works, m8
you do realise that things like Down's syndrome were explicitly divorced from other syndromes as recently as the 50's, right? Mental healthcare has always lagged behind other types of medicine and it's closely dependent on social taboo as well.
Also: vaccines don't cause autism. Period.

How can you look at how dysfunctional people with autism are and conclude that we always existed in the same numbers a generation ago. We just weren't diagnosed?
This sounds like typical conservative "the millennials are just lazy" bootstraps shit.

There is also conflicting evidence about the vaccines. Big Pharma pushes their agenda with these studies.

I was diagnosed with autism as a child. I'm not self-diagnosed.

Because the public and lots of GP's either had no idea or thought it wasn't a real disorder until around the 80's.
Same with ADHD in the 90s

I saw a couple documentaries on autism. And it's widely believed there are environmental factors of some sort.

/R9K/ wasn't a thing in the 1980s… I mean sure the internet was primitive back then. But did you have the scores of dysfunctional adults like you do now?

And I had symptoms and a diagnosis since I was a child. So its really not a case of me being shy. I only avoid the world because people treat me like shit anyway. If social interaction isnt rewarding, why do it?

For some, they don't wanna be neets anymore.
For others, they'd rather be leeches off a system that works.
For the rest, well that's the main user base on here.

Leftists/Socialists dont care about neets, they consider you a burden upon society.

But labor is our sole value all the same: that we are laborers is the best thing about us, this is our significance in the world, and therefore it must be our consideration too and must come to receive consideration. What can you meet us with? Surely nothing but — labor too. Only for labor or services do we owe you a recompense, not for your bare existence; not for what you are for yourselves either, but only for what you are for us. By what have you claims on us? Perhaps by your high birth? No, only by what you do for us that is desirable or useful. Be it thus then: we are willing to be worth to you only so much as we do for you; but you are to be held likewise by us. Services determine value, — i.e. those services that are worth something to us, and consequently labors for each other, labors for the common good. Let each one be in the other’s eyes a laborer. He who accomplishes something useful is inferior to none, or — all laborers (laborers, of course, in the sense of laborers “for the common good,” i. e., communistic laborers) are equal.
Me Myself and My Own.

Also check this fam.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5zO-mF31M

turd positionist NEET here, AMA

The internet provides an echo chamber for dysfunctional adults around the world to talk to one another. It wasn't really a thing in the 1980s.

It's not always the individuals fault either.
Society, or the environment in which you spend your life, has a huge impact on an individual. And all the other factors that come from said environment

Because the left, even the so called "politically incorrect" left on here are just sjw cucks whose only plan of action is to hold hands with niggers and sing "we shall overcome" and "fuck da police". At least the right has dank memes

Leftists/socialists who consider us a burden are missing the big picture here. Don't you think that NEETs would be motivated to work if they were able to keep the fruits of their labour?

turd positionists are Neo-Nazis right? How is a person a Neo-Nazi for wanting to reduce immigration and visa workers? I would gladly deport all white and western-minded feminazis and replace them with traditional minded Filipinas.

I swear to God this board is full of SJWs…

Why turd position?

If I could actually get away with deporting white and western-minded feminazis. Sadly we are stuck with them…

The most important thing to me is the numbers (reserve army of labour). I don't like Muslims coming here because they aren't compatible with our values. I don't like religious kooks. I wish we could deport Christian fundies too. But much of the youth Muslim violence is due to alienation and capitalism. When there are no jobs for Muslim youth and when France has scaled back their welfare state so much, I don't blame them for shooting people up.

I used to be a Turd Positionist NEET, but I grew in favor of automated communism later on because its more in my self interest and I really can't be arsed to give a fuck about racialism anymore. Turd Positionists are just as workerist as more authoritarian leftists really as well.

Neets and poor people need to be killed. They need to stop fucking complaining. NEETs and poor people are just lazy. That's why thier fucking losers.

Sorry, not everything is systemic problem. If you're having any problems at all in late capitalism you need to pull up your bootstraps or just fucking die

Btw I sell tulip bulbs online to Kool-Aid drinking libertarians from my parents' basement in order to help pay the bills (auto insurance, auto maintenance, dental, toiletries, over-the-counter/prescription drugs when necessary. And I like to treat myself to the occasional pizza and go to the convenience store to get snacks). So I am not exactly 100% NEET. I don't make a livable income doing what I do. I rely on family support.

I am willing to work if it's worth my while. I don't have to pass any stinking job interviews or custom-tailor my resume/cover letter in order to run my own business online. There's just not a lot of money to be made to be made doing what I'm doing. The internet is saturated with people looking to work from home. And consumers don't have a lot of money to spend because wages are low.

So yeah, fuck you bootstrap types.

Did I just stumble onto Holla Forums or is Holla Forums a bunch of ivory tower socialists?
I should post this thread on /r9k/ to expose the left's hypocrisy. You guys talk about doing revolution. Yet you get upset at anyone who doesn't supplicate to porky.

Nigga its pretty obvious thats bait.

m8…

How does one get to be a NEET? I always managed at least a part time job to help with my parents.

So why do you style yourself a NEET and why are you begging for sympathy – in thread after thread?

I don't get much work and I don't make much money so I don't really see myself as self-employed. If I'm not unemployed, I am definitely underemployed.

I am not begging for sympathy. That is not my purpose. Sometimes I wonder if I'm not the autistic one, if it's just everyone else. lol. I am spreading awareness about the NEET/freeter epidemic. I want to agitate for much-needed reforms (UBI, livable minimum wage, shorter work weeks, protectionism, full employment, adequate safety net, expansion of public services, free tuition, etc.)

Because we think facing and overcoming hardships, difficulties, adversity is necessary to feel satisfied with life. And we are some what correct.

The German philosopher's oft-quoted adage, "What does not destroy me, makes me stronger," was put to the test as part of a national study of the effects of adverse life events on mental health.

The study, published in the latest issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, found that people who had experienced a few adverse events in their lives reported better mental health and well being than people with a history of frequent adversity and people with no history of misfortune.

wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303496104575560261828332840

Also we believe that the state cannot do anything right and when politicians say they will take care of us that they are lying. And we feel pride in taking care of ourselves or aspiring to take care of ourselves. And resent being coddled like children. The state is damaging our ego by stealing money from the middle and upper classes and dropping it off at our door step.

Helping us is an insult to us. It is indirectly telling us that we pitiful man children who are too weak to take care of ourselves.

Oh hey, good luck when you become homeless.

There is nothing "pathetic" about our situation fellow robot. The system is fucking rigged against us.

- With labour productivity increases and automation, less labour is needed to fulfill the same level of demand. Instead of porky reducing the work week to ensure full employment, they just lay people off. Too many job applicants chase too few job vacancies.

- Thanks to foreign outsourcing, good-paying jobs are being replaced by shit-paying jobs.

- Thanks to outsourcing, visa workers and cheap immigrant labour, wages are being driven down. So if you have a job, your pay is shit anyway.

Why is it when the working poor are suffering, the left is like "I feel your pain."

But when a NEET says "this system is rigged. I don't want to be part of this system anymore. We need change." he is told to shut the fuck up?

Whose the real revolutionary?

I agree with this. We are at root normal citizens. I personally, want the world to be how it was when every man had control over his life and when effort was something that actually got reward, and not just a meaningless act rewarding with almost nothing. I feel robbed. I just want to live a normal life. I don't want to be just a neet with more money

Nice reading comprehension retard

try again
right wingers and right wing states are more likely to rely on welfare btw

I would perfectly be ok with just being a NEET with a UBI.

With a Universal Basic Income, I would be free to go into any occupation I'd like without concern for profitability. Whether it's writing books, designing and programming applications, whatever I'm passionate about at the time.

B████ ██████ and Donald Trump have inspired me to want to go into politics. I don't know if I have the steel nerve for it though. I could see myself punching a feminist SJW protester outside of my house in the face.

I googled Holla Forums and we were the fourth result.

Also any board that threatens the status quo is going to make an enemy of big corporate websites. Not much we can do about that.

You know what… If Hillary gets elected she will and the neoliberal social policies keep expanding…

I for one will be perfectly fine with r9k NEETs being part of la resistance.

I agree, but to be honest mate. You shouldnt go along with leftists but have a look at post left anarchy. Its more fun adn actually premotes neet'dom as taking controle of your own life from the economy and the tyranny of society wich demands you to particpate.

I think the whole /r9k/ going for Trump is social.

Have you seen the B████ ██████ supporters on the bus to Philadelphia? A bunch of young college kids with "progressive" views.

I don't fit in with those people. They'd probably think I'm a Nazi. But I don't fit in with Holla Forums either. lol. I don't give a shit about the "white race" and racial purity. I just don't fit in with the left on race and gender issues. lol. Why is everything so fucking polarized on the internet?

I don't exactly fit in with /r9k/ either though. They are a very miserable bunch. With a crab mentality. They dislike everyone who isn't a virgin. And the guys on there think they are entitled to a hot girl. If you "lower your standards" in order to get a girlfriend (date a girl who isn't so conventionally attractive), they will make fun of you and say "oh anyone can get an ugly girlfriend." Virgins on there don't like seeing anyone there having sex. If you're a Chad who fucks hot women, ironically, they might idolize you. But if you're just an average guy with an average girl (in their mind average = ugly), they say you're a failed normalfag and hate you.

What an extremely negative environment /r9k/ is. It's like Oppression Olympics. MRA style.

In case my point isn't clear, I think /r9k/ goes for Trump/far-right due to groupthink. And because it's "edgy" to be far-right. Being a leftist isn't seen as contrarian. It's not seen as cool.

I don't think /r9k/ or even Holla Forums buy into all the right-wing economic talking points they bring up. I think the people there just feel like this group best represents their values. Or they think it's "edgy" to be a woman hater or a racist. And so they fall in line with what the group thinks.

I am the real contrarian. Because I manage to piss everyone off no matter what board I post on. I am convinced that people consciously or unconsciously follow the herd in order to fit in. I gave up trying to "fit in" with society a long, long time ago. So I really just speak my mind and piss everyone off.

Admitting that it is rigged and speaking out against the current system is important.

I understand that refusing to play is very temping, but what is the cost for us individually?

Forcing our way through in spite of the road blocks, thus maintaining a sense of pride and self respect by refusing handouts feels better for me.

Relying on mom and/or the state does not.

When I was wagecucking, I wasn't happy. I was stressed out. And worried about losing my job. I felt "relieved" when I was let go. I hear that suicide victims often feel "relief" when they make the conscious decision to go through with it. It's kinda like that.

Oh… Sou you are an .. INDIVIDUAL!

HOW DARE YOU!

JOIN A GROUP! YOU'LL MAKE PEOPLE THINK THEY DON'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY!!!

Generalization is only good as a tool. You're ok IMO. Some of us go the Marx way, some go the Bakhunin way, others go the Steirner way. The Steirner way is also valid.

The times I think "Just fire me already" are countless.

Are you happy now that you aren't working or is something still missing?

I guess I am missing something here. When did the phrase NEET start referring to un(der)employed children of the middle class – presumably with at least high school educations – that are living at home? There are far worse circles of hell than vegetating in your own personal room playing games and raging on image boards.

When did it not refer to un(der)employed children of the middle class – presumably with at least high school educations – that are living at home?

I thought this term was popularized by image boards for people who post on image boards.

Neets deserve pity not sympathy points.

And let's face it there are people in wayyyy worse conditions in Capitalism today than Neets who still have mommy and daddy's tit and chew on.

Consider being chronically unemployed with no life support other than an unemployment benefit and food stamps. Meanwhile you have no healthcare coverage or savings to do anything at all.

Consider being homeless with no job, security,or idea where or when you are going to sleep or eat.

Consider living in a third world shithole with no prospect of going upwards in class mobility and working as a slave or your life in horrid conditions in manual labor.

It originally started as a bureaucratic classification by the UK government. Not a catch all term.

gov.uk/government/publications/neet-data-by-local-authority-2012-16-to-18-year-olds-not-in-education-employment-or-training

I don't understand this rationale, what kind of adversity are you facing concerning material conditions of your well-being other than not getting laid?

Also saying that you don't need help, is pretty hypocritical on your part, every time I go to /r9k/ all I see is bitching and complaining. You don't like the "pull your bootstraps" thing, but it's literally what you are advocating, with no exact details on how such a thing would happen.

Socialism wants to give everyone a job and a decent living wage. But robots like you are too cucked by Capitalist ideology and Americanised high-school tropes such as "alpha" and "beta" that you cannot imagine a world where hierarchy and domination aren't what defines a member of society and his standing in it.

We are going to be fucked eventually. Parents don't live forever. lol. Society pretends like there is no problem. They report 4.4% unemployment for men my age. The labour force participation rate and employment rate tells another story… Japan at least acknowledges there is a NEET problem.

It's also a popular term in Japan. And this is an imageboard. We look at hikikomori NEETs like Satou in "Welcome to the NHK" portrayed in anime and manga. And identify with that lifestyle. I am practically a hikki. I only leave my house at night a few times a week to get snacks (chips, cookies, chocolates, energy drinks. Pizza Pops. Which are like Hot Pockets but Canadian), ramen noodles, pop, etc. at the convenience store. Just like the NEETs in Japan. I don't drink energy drinks very often because they are expensive. If I need caffeine, I have instant coffee for that. I don't drink pop too often either because tap water is a lot cheaper. lol. Sometimes I'll order pizza pickup. Sometimes I have to leave my house during the daytime to run errands.

This isn't the Oppression Olympics. Just because I'm not a third-world prostitute living in some metal shack, I shouldn't speak out against the injustices of capitalism?

I still have depression. But I feel a lot less stressed now. I also have to figure out what to do for money when I can't rely on family for support anymore. It also sucks being the black sheep of the family. But my dad and siblings are major classcucks. They give me the bootstraps speech. I point out actual labour statistics. And my dad doesn't take me seriously even though I present the facts.

People like emotions (resenting you for not working) get in the way of facts (automation, outsourcing killing of jobs. Capitalism and reserve army of labour driving down wages). My baby boomer dad has the audacity to be like "when I was your age, it was tough too. You just have to start from the bottom and work up to the top. That's life." And I'm like "you bought a house after working for a few years even though you have no education and I have a Bachelor's Degree. It's not the same world anymore. Home ownership used to be in reach for the working-class. It's become out of reach for far too many people now."

If my dad really wants me to "do something with my life" like they always say, they should support my ambition to be the Canadian B████ ██████. Being just another under-paid wagecuck is just misery.

We "under-paid wagecucks" don't resent you for not working. We resent you because you do fuck all with your unrestricted, subsidized time.

While we are organizing la revolution and building baricades.

KEK

Like I followed B████ ██████' campaign last year and this year. And I though, "THERE. That is what I want to do with my life." But I really don't care for the race/gender/pro-immigration/amnesty for illegals stance from the left.

Unlike your typical B████ ██████ supporter, I am not in favor of social justice for the entire world. The consumption patterns of the first-world are not sustainable with a population of 7 + billion. So something has to give. It's either us or them. And I'd rather it be them. And the whole race/gender thing makes me uncomfortable because I'm a white male. But I'm not a Holla Forumsack retard either. A brown girl messaged me on Tinder. I decided to keep an open mind racially because I wasn't getting laid very often anyway. I ended up getting laid and figuring out that non-white foreign women appreciate autistic white guys more than western women do. So fuck you Holla Forums. Muh dick > Muh race. But I'm not social justice warrior either. This whole white male lynch mob thing doesn't make me comfortable.

I don't make the best use of my time admittedly. I can't believe it's already 9pm. lol. You know that feeling where you don't even remember what you did all day and you ask yourself "where the hell did the time go?" That's me almost every day.

Kys

Is it so bad to have a lower standard of living so the environment doesn't go to shit?

AKA the consuption patterns requiered to sustain capitalism.

And this is another example of things you could research more and form your self theory.

Everyone is like this most days. Everyone's life passes without much of a trace. It's not just you. Lack of employment isn't want makes our lives meaningless.

You will receive ideological and job training as you earn your way back into society in the gulag.

There are obviously who have it way worse than NEETs in the world, the thing is there literally are no good arguments from an anti capitalist perspective on why NEETs should get a job. Being a NEET is actually one of the most risk free ways to be subversive to capitalism in the first world. Of course they have it way better than a lot of people, but they hurt porky, more-so if they are on autismbux than mooching of their parents since they are draining resources from the bourgeoisie state. Being a NEET hurts porky and thats what makes it good thing. Its not really about sympathy or oppression, there just isn't any good reasons to oppose them if you're anti capitalist.

Are people using this flag, actually doing it for real? Or just shitposting?

Is this board made for shitposting?

The problem really isn't that robots are taking our jobs, its more that we're still expected to fucking look for a job anyway. Fuck work.

No. But when you are used to a certain lifestyle, it's difficult to scale down. For eg. meat, dairy and eggs are heavily subsidized by the government. The land use and carbon emissions required to raise cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. is very environmentally destructive. Fishing too I believe.

But I love cheese, ice cream, eggs, bacon, hamburgers, hotdogs, steak, fried chicken, breaded chicken, chicken tendies, popcorn shrimp, etc.

Meanwhile the working-class in Latin America live off rice, beans, maize, flour, sugar and cooking oil… It makes more ecological sense to use corn to feed humans and power our vehicles than to waste corn on cattle and burn fossil fuels to run our cars. But we are used to a certain lifestyle.

The bourgeois probably feel the same way about their life comforts. They are used to a certain excessive lifestyle. Just like we're used to a first-world working-class lifestyle.

Since is an aspect that Guy Standing (yes it's his name) goes into in his most recent book. And this is also is why there is animosity towards the won't work NEET. When you are recently unemployed and/or temping you are always on standby. You can never turn the cell phone off and do what you really want to do with your time.

It's a fucking mystery.

yeah, makes sense now.

I give into my tribal instincts and try to make my people great again. I love my people and I wish them well, but everyone else can go to hell. I also love hierarchy. I wish I had a king and I could go around LARPing. ;_;

I am not a NEET, but I understand your pain. Society shits on you because you're unskilled, ugly, antisocial, and all those things that I am, but somehow got lucky and overcame. It is a rare chance that not many get.

I cannot tell you that communism will fix it. It will not, and we likely will not live to see it, but capitalism will also not fix it, and neither will fascism.

Technology will fix it. I am actually getting acquainted with some guys working on tech for lonely people, mostly assisted living, but one guy expressed interest in a romantic robot partner. The waifu age soon, m8.

In communism, every worker gets at least a waifu. No need to mess with roasties.