Venezuela has a new 'forced labor' law that can require people to work in fields

"A new decree establishing that any employee in Venezuela can be effectively made to work in the country's fields as a way to fight the current food crisis is unlawful and effectively amounts to forced labor," Amnesty International said in a statement released on Thursday.

President Nicolás Maduro signed a decree at the end of last week that gives powers to the labor ministry to order "all workers from the public and private sector with enough physical capabilities and technical know-how" to join a government drive aimed at increasing food production.

The latest decree states its aim is to "guarantee food supply, social justice, and democracy," and claims it is necessary as "a defense against the economic war." It comes at a time when President Maduro is also struggling to hold off efforts by the political opposition to force a referendum on whether he should remain in office.

They can be required to work in the agricultural sector for a 60-day period that can be extended for another 60 days "if the circumstances require it."

Earlier this month, 120,000 desperate Venezuelans took advantage of a weekend's temporary relaxation of border controls to flood into the Colombian city of Cúcuta to shop for basics. Local stores reportedly ran out of supplies in a few hours.

Antonio Pestana, chief of Venezuela's farming association, told reporters last month that only 25 percent of agricultural land is actually being farmed.

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i wonder how they'll twist this into SOCIALISM DESTROYS EVERYTHING

OP here. This is a fact. No twisting required.

the sad thing is there will be anarchists agreeing with this

arent afghanistan, congo and shitload of african countries capitalist democracies?

Venezuela is going down soon, military coup when?

What a stupid picture. More people flee from Haiti as refugees than from Cuba. Tens of thousands more. That's not even mentioning Afghanistan, Syria, Congo, Ethiopia, Eritrea etc etc … The only places that even pretend to call themselves 'socialist'; Vietnam, Laos, China, and Cuba, all pale in comparison to the poverty of capitalist countries that aren't on the top of the pile. Your standard Holla Forumsack will of course blame this on their non "whiteness"; with ethnicities like Greek, Italian, Irish and Spanish strangely not being as "white" as they used to be… But that's another stupid story.

Close your eyes and don't let facts get in the way of your ideology though.

this seems pretty pointless and dumb tbh, but it's not muh evil gulag.

hilarious how Amnesty calls this "Forced Labor" while someone who has to work at a farm or McDonalds to feed themselves isn't being "Forced"

Said every Puerto Rican ever.

More like:


Tip top kek Comrades.

hilarious how Amnesty calls this "Forced Labor" while a caveman who has to hunt or gather to feed themselves isn't being "Forced"

NATURE IS FACIST!!!!!

Now this is pod racing.

So can anyone explain why venezuela has a food crisis in the first place?

We're not living in the wild anymore. I don't know if you know, but we produce enough food yearly for everyone and we have the capacity to organise this production and its redistribution however we want.
I'm not surprised you trump supporters believe in robinsonnades like that, you probably don't even know how widely despised this kind of comparisons are in economic sciences.

Most productive land has been expropriated by the state and has been mismanaged to all fuck for the past 17 years. Basic goods and raw materials needed to be imported but since the Oil prices plumeted and the bulk of our economy depended on oil exports, now we have no $$$ to import what little we need.

most production has been facing a war of attrition for the past two years because of all this..

(you) don't produce anything. Neither does any other Internet commie.

Economic sciences is a spook.

Spic Stalin lel.

They haven't been self-reliant on food since Oil was found, food shortages result from economic crisis.

all countries except U.S. and Israel are islamig communidsms

propertarians and their violence justified as magic soil-bonding with inanimate objects. they don't even see their own ideology

Pure ideology

Yeah they took the easy route and staged revolutions.

Surely all labor in communism will be "forced" as people get access to goods whether they work or not.

THAT'S VIOLENCE YOU FUGGING BOURGEOIS PIG!!!!1

Yes, socialism, the movement about liberating the workers now forces the workers to work to the state without their consent.

They're also populated by niggers and muslims, so there's only so much the economic system can do.

It is literally violence. Tying it in all caps doesn't make it wrong.

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So there doing Khmer style? Oooh can't wait when a revolution filled with other socialist starts happening and becomes the People's Republic of Venezuela

And taking someone's food that you did not contribute in generating is not violence?

who told you that?


Caveman B would just take the apples and/or seeds from the tree himself.


If the workers get the product of their own labour they're freer than they were when being subjected to Property Rights, even if they might not recognize it. That's not the case in Venezuela since they're still very much a Bourgeois Democracy even if they might be wearing red.


way ahead of you

lol

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This

It is. So you admit that all property is based on violence?
Violence is inescapable in economics. The universe is not a voluntary place. This was the point of that some Trump-tard found so hilarious.

In response to Caveman B's aggression, Caveman A would then prevent Caveman B from taking the apples. Issues like this are what lead to the first legal and political structures in human history, usually siding with Person A.


It's as "violent" as speech you don't like is "violence." By no definition of the term is it violence.

How would you enforce property without using "violence", as it is commonly defined?

What the hell are you talking about? Caveman B does not have to use violence to take apples. He could just wait until Caveman A walked away.

Or are you using "aggression" in a special snowflake sort of way here?

if no one has soul-bonded with an object you can soul-bond with it and then you own it. if someone tries to soul-bond with your already bound apples without permission than it damages your soul and causes soul–pain

I pissed into the ocean, and it became it literal extension of my very self. I am the ocean. You swim in me.

you can appeal to emotion all you want, property is still violence

Or caveman B's labour is instrumental in producing the apples but caveman A takes the vast majority of them.

Ignoring of course, the times we decided *not* to side with Person A.
See: taxation, the entire history of socialism and mixed-economies, ect.

I'm working on my new brand of bottled air. nobody owns the air, so i altered it's composition with co2 from my car. obviously, property isn't made directly of pure energy, it's assembled out of existing material that no one has claimed. i assembled the current composition of the atmosphere that no one has claimed
now pay me for my air or I'll have to defend myself

or every time person B had a bigger army

I'm not appealing to anyones emotion, just trying to explain my own.

If caveman B did help, then sure that's wrong and caveman B should go do his own thing. But if caveman B is a lazy fuck that contributing nothing to the Apple treespecially, then no. Fuck him.the Lazy class should not take from working class.

Copyright and intellectual property are corporatist ideals. Not free-market at all.

Agreed.

I'm talk about physical property m8

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The whole caveman metaphor is a shit analogy, since socialism is less about who deserves what and more about political power and freedom. The whole point is that as long as the capitalists dominate the economic system they will dominate the political system and run it according to their interests at the expense of the rest.

Do you really think that stealing workers from a company and forcing the workers into a new job even if they don't like it is OK? This shit is illegal, but it's Nicolás Maduro Moros we're talking about, so it will be done anyway.

Socialism is WORKER ownership of rhe means of production.

Caveman A is a WORKER. He owns the apple tree. Caveman 2 is a lumpenprole.

Most Cuban exiles are political refugees, not economic refugees.

The biggest bulk of them are reactionaries.

Caveman B isn't a worker and would have his access to resources restricted under socialism.

I love how nobody ever talks about the 80,000 Haitian refugees that floated over during the Mariel boatlift. It's ok to ride a tire across the ocean if your fleeing a capitalist country.

What the fuck, why would a country with such high unemployment rate not just subsidize the farmers?

the US has forced labor laws out the ass

Oh but it's only a problem when """"""socialist""""" counties do it

Exactly. Thanks for noticing us comrade. We're doing good work here.


Like yeah part of it is they all go to Orlando but still.

lol and there are still people who believe Venezuela is socialist lmao

You can't really escape when you have no boats. Cuba doesn't even have modern cars.

Forced to work in fields you say?

Did you mean forced under fields?

Because they can't steal shit that way. Have you ever heard about this thing called "corruption"?

Go on, explain how subsidies are more liable to corruption than importing goods and selling at a loss then.

I'm saying that they can't steal shit with subsidies.

The forced consciription of labour is like one of the basic tenets of socialism you clueless fuck. Lefty/pol/ is trully satire there is no way self proclaimed socialists have no clue about this basic stuff

That's what I said silly billy. Read the image I responded to and have a good headscratch at their policy.

Yes, yes, very clever. You made a paint.

Autism

Everyone in that chat is autistic.

Everyone, whether they chat or not.

kys

So the standard line for when 'free markets' fail in non-western, non-imperialist countries?

Cute. Now let's recant how it works in realityzzz;


"lol ur lazy" is the laziest (lel) rightcuck argument ever. Contrary to whatever impression you might get from pedo cartoon forums, people who do nothing with their lives are quite rare.

It is, ironically, a form of the crab bucket metaphor, because people aren't allowed to want to try and achieve a better, more human system. No, they have to be miserable like the rest of us. And the petty, envious crabs pulling everyone else down think they are morally superior because they work hard. Which most people do, and is not an achievement.

Small Middle Eastern nations are some of the wealthiest in the world while Greece struggles to get by.

I guess their Aryan genes didn't magically kick in. Someone should check the coastal water.

What "fact" makes this socialism?

That's what you get for wasting those oil money on social benefits and whatnot.
Chavez was such a populist faggot, I can't even…

Always playing with his voter base, always indecisive.

I hope you're burning in hell, you hear me, Chavez?! You Were Supposed to Bring Balance to the Force, Not Fucking Destroy It!

You were not supposed to stop at the beginning, after nationalizing oil monopoly PDVSA, you were supposed go all the way, balls deep!

Expropriate all the major industry without compensation! Let the national capitalists choke on their own blood!

Go the way of forced industrialization, because it's the only way, you can't escape reality. You need food to live, and for food you need to have tractors and other machinery, you need to have agricultural chemicals and many other things.
And to have all those so much needed things, you need to have industry that makes them.
And to have industry you first need to build it.
And to build it you need to have money.
Like, you know, all those dollars that you got in exchange for oil, when prices were high.

But it's too late now, man can't make miracles.
Venezuela will slowly sink to the bottom, and vermin will abandon ship.

It was fault of all people. They all seen it coming, but no one had the WILL to cross the line. Blinded by fear of uncertainty, they were unable to do what's necessary.

In a way, they all deserved it.

Are you calling me a vermin? Why do I have to continue to suffer something I didn't even help cause?

This sense of entitlement is adorable.

off yourself fam

Wanting something is one thing. Deluding yourself into thinking that your desires matter - is another.

When you start using your wishful thinking as an argument - you deserve everything you get.

If the people don't like the way things are they can always change them.

Everyone in Greece is also complaining about Syriza. I don't see any of them giving an alternative, nor does anybody want any real change.

Cause change demands sucrifice. And I don't think you want to lose in order to gain.

This is some reddit tier missing the point in the name of splitting hairs m80

What about Popular Unity?

I am quite certain people are giving alternative.

Didn't you recommend to shoot tankies pre-emptively, by any chance?

What do you want me to do? Kiss it to make it better? I'm sorry to say, but that won't work. Venezuela is fucked and fleeing is the best option. But this still is a cowardly decision. That's how it works.

I live in a vilage of 200 people.
Only I voted them.

People prefered not to vote. And complain.

They are your useful idiots, remember?

I am not recommending. I'm asking the glasses man, if he did.

That's spooky as fuck, no wonder everyone hates tankies.

TANKIES

If you want to die running - be my guest. I just want to keep things straight.

This is a country in economical and social shambles we're talking here, Brosif, not a heroic last stand at the shores of the Volga, I still have my entire life ahead of me and a mother who I'd like provide a somewhat dignified and comfortable last decade(s) for because it would please me to do so.

I don't understand what convoluted sense of pride or honor you're operating with here, but i'm sure you'd be sining a completely different tune were you in the same position I am.

Which I've already pointed out.

Take a look at the map. There was a lot of place to retreat. Whole Siberia. And then you could try to run for Alaska.

Everybody had.

I'm sorry, are you under impression that cowards decide to run away because it the harder choice? Because they force themselves to flee? And when they do it because they want to, they stop being cowards?

When (if) I grow old, I'll probably be wetting my bed at night. That would be totally excusable, but the bed will not become dry. Having excuses doesn't change anything.

Your time machine didn't work.
You're still in 2016.

You must already be old because you sound incredibly senile…and no man, it doesn't bother me that you're calling me a coward for not going down with the rest of these people I don't even like.

You are the one who took issue with being called vermin that abandons the ship.

As I've said: I don't care what you do. That's your choice.

Nothing wrong with setting off carbombs though.

Guess you guys are getting what you deserve then. :^)

I take issue with that, yeah.

Well, that's hardly my problem. You, on the other hand, better habituate yourself to this.

WE ALL ARE!

Woah, you truly are the man of steel!
And which land of strife do you herald from?

Cute, now let someone who doesn't have autism explain it

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I don't get how having a high IQ is autistic, but alright fam.

This should summarize it well:
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Dank meme, broseph. Upboated

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not an argument

Neither is an encyclopedia dramatica article.

Neither is a made up statistic.

What made up stat?

You implied that the rich are ubermensch and not merely the first to claim what nature already made. This is how capitalism has always worked.

Planing shit ain't easy, not every dub fuck can do it. Most sees from trees die.

Not everyone is physically able, either, or socially adept enough to organize and lead. Everyone has strengths and weakness, and an average man with years of training will always be better than an intelligent man with none.

The owners of most wealth do not plan, they just lay claim to something by birthright and pay experts to do the planning and logistics for them. Financial expertise is a trade like any other.

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I don't see the problem.

Stalin was right.

Would still side with Caveman B.

The farther we get into specific details the less this serves at a metaphor for anything.

Hippies need to go and stay went