What the fuck is Left-Communism and how is it not just Anarchism by any other name?

What the fuck is Left-Communism and how is it not just Anarchism by any other name?

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Left coms believe in a transitional state. They are also much more knowledgeable as a whole.

How does Leftcom transitional State differ from Marxist-Leninist transitional State?

There are plenty of tendencies called "left-communists" that haven't much in common tbh.

Well there are different schools of thought but generally the DotP would be organized in horizontally structured workers councils. It's much more libertarian than M-L.

They're also Marxists so their critique of capitalism is rooted in materialism.

Well there are different schools of thought but generally the DotP would be organized in horizontally structured workers councils.

How is that not just an Anarchist federation?


Anarchist ones aren't?


Elaborate?

Daily reminder to you fucking larpers that anarchist marxists exist.

I honestly can't get into the details that differentiate ancom and leftcom organization. Somebody more knowledgeable might be able to help. Sorry.

The standard anarchist critique is idealist in nature. Most reject materialism to some extent.

Yeah. I know they do. The majority aren't Marxists tho.

Like who?

Can you expand on this a little bit more? I've read a lot of Marxist and anarchist stuff (admittedly more anarchist) but I've never seen this come up as a difference

Anarchists tend to focus on the ethical and moral side of power relations. It's based around values instead of pragmatism. While Marx wanted to get rid of any moral critiques of capitalism and stick to criticizing it as an unstable economic system based on observable trends.

I…don't think you understand the difference between idealism and materialism

What is the difference?

Leftcoms are libertarian socialists who believe Marxism-Leninism tends to be too aggressive in its implementation of communism. They're statist, but believe state-building should not be handled by a small vanguard.

Leftcoms are generally pretty radical, hence sometimes being called "Ultras". There are leftcoms who believe any society established through violence cannot be called communist, and there are others who believe no communist society can ever be associated with a non-communist one without losing its purity.

It's pretty much the same thing, except that in anarchism you call it "not-state" rather than "state"

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How so? Anarchist ideology is idealist in the sense that they their critique stems from the abstract and that these abstract concepts are the primary moving force in history. A Marxist uses objective material circumstances to view the world and concludes that these circumstances shape our ideas and circumstances.

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I honestly don't know where to begin with this. I mean I guess nothing would prevent an idealist of any branch from thinking this; but it's certainly not a requirement nor does thinking so automatically make one an idealist.

This page does a good summary of the various idealisms, so knock yourself out: philosophybasics.com/branch_idealism.html

Bordigists, for example, are often characterized as "left-coms".

Workers' Councils by Anton Pannekoek
Important read if you want to know more about left communism, specifically the German tendency.

The level of ignorance of you analytic kiddies is astounding.


Come on man, it's basic post-Hegelian categories right there.

not to be an anarkiddie apologist, but leftcoms are fucking retarded compared to the average anarchist

sshh don't get mad at the teenage marxist here, to them anarchism=feelz, marxism=realz
so he's slightly retarded, go easy

daily reminder that if you're not a marxist-leninist, you're not a fucking leftist, period, theres no other way around it. we're the only self-proclaimed leftists whove ever accomplished anything, and we continue to be.

Nothing worse than a smug anarchist.

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Left-coms want a transitional state etc etc.

More worker based democracy etc etc.

Well known for wanking over theory lots etc etc.

They get a lot of shit for being sectarian etc etc.

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you're a fucking idiot, thanks

Leftcoms are Marxists who stand/stood in opposition to the policies of the third international and their conditions for entry. Generally they oppose intervention into trade unions, parliament, etc. Typically they are not in favour of organised Marxists attempting to win the workers to a communist program, as the desires of the majority are irrelevant - communism is a historical necessity and the revolution will not be won or stopped by a vote.

Quite the opposite, Stalin didn't go far enough.

This is just utter nonsense. Violence will be unavoidable during a revolution, we're not fucking pacifists.

A communist society cannot exist in the context of a capitalist world for a variety of reasons, but "purity" has nothing to do with anything.

You sound like you've gotten all your information about leftcoms from fucking tankies (either that or you're just making shit up).

This is something Marxists say a lot and I'm not even really sure what it means.

It's okay, neither do they. Marx never set up a detailed system explaining his materialism. To be fair, Marx was more interested in writing about the class struggle than writing about metaphysics, but it's why so many "marxists" dismiss idealism out of hand while knowing literally nothing about it.

I think most of your fellow leftcoms would disagree with you there but yokay.

Stalin was a glorified social democrat who placed russian national interests over spreading the revolution internationally. For "italian" leftcoms at least, his violence isn't the issue. Had that violence been in the service of revolution rather than internal reaction there would be no issue.

I don't even understand the name. Communists are by definition already leftist.

If you don't care about the history of the left and its theories, and you don't know shit about it, then why do you feel anyone needs to hear your opinions ?

Is there a right communism? Just economically communistic but all other policies right wing?

Yes it's called Islamig Gommunism

You could try educating us about your idiotically-named theory instead, you know.

How would that even work

I don't know. Just socalism but with a whole lot of religiousness, nationalism, and good ol bigotry.

I don't.

Like who?

Arab "socialism"

Let's just rename it Aryan Socialism and try to sell the idea to Holla Forums make them into useful idiots.

I'm fucking tired of this idea that the problem with Stalin was that he was 2extreme6me, it only further perpetuates tankies accusing anyone who disagree with them of being liberal. I'm not much a fan of him (at least not anymore) but there is a reason Trotsky compared Stalin's takeover to the Thermidorian Reaction.

If there is to ever be a world beyond capitalism it will be the result of a mass total and merciless attack against the capitalist class and their institutions, culminating in their complete and final destruction.

we understand the stalinist experience as a specific phenomenon enacted by specific historical conditions (ie catch-up modernisation of the Soviet union). The soviet union was never socialist, it never managed to break with the defining characteristics of capitalism (wage labour and commodity production). Instead, the soviet nomenclature developed the conditions needed for general commodity production to exist. As Bordiga said, the task of modernizing a country is not the revolutionaries' task but one the bourgeoisie needs to fulfill. Our task is to take the society the bourgeoisie has built and put it on its head.

no, this is common leftcom sense

National Bolshevism and Nutsuck both already exist

Not conservative and hateful enough or else they would already be eating it up.

It was lenin that gave us the name left communists (or left wing communists), we just adopted a name thrown at us as a pejorative.

Rightest deviation refers to the nationalistic, class collaborative reformist of the Second International (the SPD and Austromarxist, the Russian Social Democracy Old Guard).

Left and right are really just terms that are thrown whenever someone wants to establish themselves as true communists.

leftcoms are degenerate faggots.

kek why are YPG posters always the most ignorant about everything

It means being overly theoretical. Not being realistic.

Idealism (or formalism, aka dogmatism) means that you take one abstract idea and consider it to be the only one that matters. Often you treat it very literally, like a word of god.

maybe because they're k*rds

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Learn your terms comrade, you won't be warned again.

I think the main difference between leftcoms and anarchists is that leftcoms actually call it a state.

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Thanks for your contribution, statism apologist.

Neither do I, and I use Marxist economics and ideas. I am not aware of a coherent alternative and I don't really consider neoclassical economics to be one.

It's the opposite of Right-Communism

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I think it is obvious: "theoretical" as in "removed from practice".

Wishful thinking, rather than complicated thoughts.