Attack on /k/ still going on

Nice False flag.
Only a pol/up has that much cuck porn. This thread is probably a attempt at directing anger this way.
Shill harder.

Every single board in this shitty website with the exception of this one is a Holla Forums colony.
This is no reason to spam anything.

Leftists like guns too. A gun board shouldn't be exclusive to Holla Forumsyps

What's with Holla Forums's obsession of banning guns though?

shouldnt, but it is. I only see Holla Forums scum on there day in and day out, thus the raid.

Well hello there my fellow /int… err, Holla Forumsack!

It's that way because people just kind of accept it. We're one of the largest boards. Showing people that Holla Forums isn't the only culture here will make them less likely to leave, more comfortable being themselves, and more willing to tell Holla Forums to fuck off.

Wat?

You tryna cheat me again, Donald?

because antifa are retards like maoists

Can you try harder next time you try to get shit on us? Because this is fucking obvious. 1/10 for trying

There were quite a lot of people whining about guns in Holla Forums.

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We think power grows from the barrel of a gun. So we're a little jumpy when people try to ban them.

What?

The very same Holla Forums who wants to vote for Jill Stein and B████ ██████?

we dont support gun control
this isnt liberalpol
fuck off

Fuck you, I love guns.

Holla Forums isn't just you.

There are threads where people want to ban guns because muh fascist owning guns.

I don't know a single person on this board who wants to ban guns.

Well, you don't know a lot of people in this board then, since a lot of them vote for B████ ██████.

citation needed

That's because he's a secret communist.

You realise we do have to compromise on some things right?

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Citation needed. There is litterally none of that shit here, go back to Holla Forums

how about we have a poll while we're at it
strawpoll.me/10847034

We had lots of threads about this issue and every time the majority agreed that gun control takes power from the the hands of the proletariat and lessens the possibilities f an armed overthrow of the government.

lurk moar newfag

/k/ isnt being spammed because of their love for guns. (i own several)

/k/ is being spammed due to their insouciant dickery

pretty sure hes the same moron who thought leftypol supports hillary clinton a while back

No. They prefer him over hillary and trump and so therefore they are willing to vote for him in spite of the fact that he seeks to ban guns. This is a pretty general concept in representative democracy.

I remember a distinct thread about banning guns here last week.

Since Holla Forums has no archive, hard to find them.

So you guys are not getting jumpy when someone tries to ban guns?

….what dickery I might ask?

Leftypol/ overwhelmingly support private gun ownership.

Holla Forums supports Sandman and Jill Stein and all 3 of them want to ban guns.

You aren't getting away with this.

how about you get some actual evidence instead of spouting your anecdotal bullshit?
theres 500 people here, and we recently had a shitload of socdem redditfags joining in. its inevitable there are a few anti gun fags here.
leftypol in general support gun ownership. fuck off

trump wants to aid israel, Holla Forums still supports him

Proof?

I have seen a fair share of anti-gunners on Holla Forums, and the fact that Holla Forums votes for S█████ means they don't care for guns at all.

Can you point to me some archives?

also
absolutely moronic

So? Holla Forums wouldn't support Trump if he bans guns.

faggot

I don't see Holla Forums championing to make B████ ██████ not ban guns.

background checks and mental tests are not banning guns contrary to what republican propaganda tells you. If anything the stance of the NRA on mental tests is what gives more arguments for a complete ban on assault guns . The NRA is just a bourgie organization that only cares about profits and dumb red-necks eat it all up instead of compromising and keeping their assault rifles, so every time the next James Holmes comes up, all gun owners are vilified.

I have evidences, there are various threads about it.

But they are dead and I know no Holla Forums's archive.

Oh boy, here we go.

Holla Forums should jump on this guy, no?

Sure. We just weigh it against the things we need to be vary of with the other candidates, such as knowing nothing about international politics and potentially setting the world on fire, or knowing a bit too much about international politics and thus potentially setting the world on fire.

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the point is just because you support a candidate =/= you agree with them 100%
also B████ and jill have to pander to the liberal crowd

i dont see Holla Forums championing to make trump not support israel. besides, B████ role wasnt to win, he was supposed to gather attention to far left ideas. we dont have time to waste on stupid bullshit candidates that wont win

faggot

nigga it's been a struggle to just try and gain support for the guy. Which we failed on anyway obviously. Obviously we'd prefer it if he was pro-gun but you can't be pro-gun and left wing in the current environment

How is what I said wrong, the NRA is sacrificing gun ownership for profit. The reason why most northern states have banned most guns is because of this reason, as there is no overarching legislation on who is mentally capable on owning assault weapons.

Holla Forums does champion and criticize Trump for supporting Israel.

That's a reason why there's a reason Trump is called ZOG Occupied Government puppet on Holla Forums.

I thought leftists are supposed to love guns?

NRA is the one who fights to keep the gun laws as it is, dude.

man you should join ISIS, because your taqiya tactics are top notch.

Not wanting mentally ill people to be armed is anti-gun.
Fair enough. If your definition is that arbitrarily strict, then sure I am anti-gun although I support personal ownership of firearms in most other cases.

So you guys really don't care about arming the proles huh?

kek the only thing i see Holla Forums does is apologize for him
Holla Forums loves trump. not 100% of them, but not 100% of leftypol is pro guns too. stop generalizing

There is no real federal legislation on gun ownership, wtf are you talking about?

There is a lot of Holla Forums who argues against Trump, it's in very thread, especially how Ivanka marries a jew.

It's only balanced out because jews attack Trump every times.

Liberals don't necessarily and these have come to define the "left" in the us.

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What is the Assault Weapon Ban?

What is the various gun control attempts that Obama wants to make?

So you guys are liberals?

Apparently, the fascists can define themselves, but you let liberals speak for you?

k
a majority of us are pro-guns.
we have a poll to prove it strawpoll.me/10847034/r
you have no evidence other than "uhhhh but i saw some of u say ur against guns lol"
kys

Doesn't exist anymore.

Dead in the water.

by that logic, the alt right speaks for all nazis

Learn to read retard, I already explained to you that Democrats move to ban ALL assault weapons BECAUSE there is no federal legislation on background checks and mental tests. If there was gun owners would not face a total assault weapon ban every time a public shooting happens.

We have to prioritize. *legal* guns or nuclear fallout. Shit choices but one that's easy to make.
What you're saying is that if you chose to have your arm amputated in order to not die from gangrene, you hated that arm and didn't want it in the first place.

So? It existed, and it can happen again.
Only because right wingers and the NRA fought against them.

There wouldn't be a total assault weapon ban nor a background check or mental test.

(the majority of) Americans fought against all of these, they actually love guns.

So voting for Jill Stein and B████ ██████ mean no nuclear fallout?

What?

Fascists can be defined by the merits of their beliefs and praxis, not by their labels.

So leftists just gonna let label liberals themselves as leftists?

the worst thing about this is that Holla Forumstards will actually believe we are responsible for the attack on /k/

The more public shooting happen, the greater teh possibility of a weapons ban. If things continue like this it's inevitable. All Dems have to do is win the house.

What you don't understand is that the NRA like all Capitalist organizations only care for short term profit and weapons sale spikes when such legislation is proposed. They don't give a shit about your rights.

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Yup. While of course and exaggeration, it is our sincere belief that both Trump and Hillary will be foreign policy disasters that will end up killing many people for no good reason, although the causes will differ. From that standpoint with that and the other relative benefits B████ might be able to give us, the complete autonomy of gun-sales will have to be compromised for now because we simply have no other options.

NRA have fought against every ban attempts against the dems.

And no, a weapon ban is not happening any times soon, especially when it's muslims and black people who commit the shooting.

If no one bans guns after that dude kills children, then any other effort is going to waste.

Anyone else find it difficult to balance your acknowledgement of how essential gun rights are with your awareness of how pathetic most gun lovers, and gun culture in general, are?

I mean, we're trying to claim it back but libs call themselves leftists and thus so do conservatives.

Well, your sincere belief is dumbfounded since no one gives a shit about S█████ in an international stage.

He wouldn't stop war, he's just gonna be another Obama.

So you hate gun lovers and gun culture?

So you guys are a weaker voice than even the neo nazis.

Wow.

Nice picture.

But what about other so-claimed leftists that want to ban guns, Chomsky included?

Irrelevant, politics are waged on teh local and federal level. For an assault weapon ban to pass, federal legislation can pass through the house and be effective. The reason it hasn't so far is because public shooting weren't as frequent as they are now, due to a greater spread of mental disorders.

Yes, that's sorta the point. We believe that widespread interventionism will spell disaster

Nazis are waaaaaayyyyy more irrelevant than us, the far left may not united but we have greater numbers than them.

I doubt it, although it could be true

The recent mass shootings aren't from mental disorders at all, and right wing sentiments are rising from all level of politics.

The assault weapon ban back in 1994 happened for much less.

And S█████ wouldn't be able to stop interventionism.

He cannot even stop Clinton intervening in his own campaign, let alone the bureaucrat.

Meh. We're not really seeing a rise of the right. We're seeing a radicalisation of politics.

So where is the far left nominate in the American election?

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It's radicalisation as in the right gets more power?

The far left is losing in all places, even in Spain and Venezuala.

Where's the nazi candidate?

You guys are so cute.

Trump? White nationalist and neo nazis support him.

It doesn't really. They lost ground in Greece and Ireland, even Denmark and Turkey. Sure, liberalism and humanism is going away, but populism is on the rise. The left as no problem with that.

we care

look how much

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Denmark will have an Exit soon if Brexit is successful.

Golden Dawn is rising in Greece.

Turkey is ruled by islamic sympathizer.

So the far left has no problem with the rise of the far right?

Does that make him a Nazi? Does supporting a candidate whose daughter is married to a jew mean that nazis don't care about white people marrying Jews?

Yes, the actual nazis had some jews on their sides.

Not what I was getting at, your socialist messiah just sold you guys down the river and all you can do is redact it. It's legitimately a cute response.

You are one dumb fuck, Adam Lanza and James Holmes were mentaly ill autists/schizos, they shouldn't own guns period.

And you should leave your basement once in a while, there is no increase in right-wing sentiments. There is only opposition to unchecked migration to Europe and workers begging Trump for factory jobs to come back.

Right-wing economic policies are facing a backlash all around the world when they were discredited after the 08 crash. Bourgies are now playing the workers to fight each other, that's all that is happening.

Trump, if he wins, will be a completely normal president.

And? He's still the neo nazi candidate.

Neo nazi supports him and he beats everyone else.

That doesn't mean that he is a neo-nazi or will enact anything the neo-nazis want. He's a corporate scumfuck and they are his useful idiots.

Adam Lanza didn't own the guns.

Also, do get out of the street, nowadays anti-muslim, anti-black sentiments are rising and are getting mainstream due to ISIS and BLM.

The only right wing economics that is getting backlash is international free trade, but bourgies are fine with moving their business to national level as long as they keep their businesses.

He's already enacted a thing the neo-nazis want, the destruction of BLM as a movement.

Sure. Anti-liberal populism. The left in Denmark has been against he EU since the beginning.

That's a long time ago. They're about the same size of the stalinist party now.

Yes and they've been losing ground to the HDP.

And no I am not that concerned with the rise of the right. As we rise you rise and as you rise we rise. We're opposing forces and the world is experiencing radicalization.

They won't, they are Germany's little bitch on all levels, and neither will the Netherlands exit the euro as they are one of the main beneficiaries of teh euro project.

No they are not, still at 8% since last elections.

Fundamentalist Islam is rising all around the Middle-East due to US and Saudi influence, no surprises there. Even though Turkey has recently had a major breakthrough when HDP (the far left party) entered parliament for the first time this year.

Ok. Some leftist organizations say we should vote Hillary. By your logic she's the left's candidate.

When did he do that? With what power did he eliminate BLM?

BLM is still very much around.

lmao

ok pack it up boys, this guy is a joker, no point in biting poorly made bair.

Don't Nazis say they hate capitalism? Trump is the quintessential capitalist.

Nazis want the sun to rise tomorrow and not explode, right? That doesn't make it a Nazi thing.

With the power of his words.

BLM is getting really unpopular in most of the states.

So basically, you think with the far right rising, the far left will also rise?

So where is B████ ██████'s victory?

Once again, the left makes little gain while piggy packing the right.

No they are not, that's why the capitalists and the bankers fixed the primaries against S█████. They much rather have their own candidate (Hillary) or an easy to control retard like Trump who will give them even greater tax cuts, rather than a socialist renegade.

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Nazis employ capitalist in their economic policies, just on national level.
It's a nazi thing that BLM must be destroyed.

That's all the ever do, and that's what they did in 1933 in Germany. It doesn't matter, the divide and conquer of the working class can only go so far when they cannot squeeze anymore profit from the middle and working class and revolts happen.

So apparently, the capitalists support Trump or Clinton, and poor man S█████ is the victim.

This argument doesn't hold because they can get Jeb Bush vs Hillary instead, much simpler for both sides.

Yeah, banking on that economic collapse.

Economy is the shittiest in Venezuala right now, I fully expect a revolt, but it's gonna be a righty revolt.

And yet BLM has a net positive favourable rating unlike Donald Trump. He sure nailed it.

Trump was indeed an outsider who they didn't want. But better him than S█████ who was attacking the banks.

Well, Trump is going to beat Clinton, so he's going to be pres, while BLM is gonna lose their foothold in America when Trump is pres.

Only because of US economic sanctions, Venezuela has more oil than Norway, and I doubt the CIA will have much success in Venezuela since they already tried last time.

Don't believe everything you hear on the MS media.

Sanders just said some shit about Wall street, the same as Hillary.

Neither of them attached the banks.

Sanders even divided and conquered his own support group when he said whites can't understand being born in a ghetto.

Despite media blackout he came pretty close. Him even being a relevant candidate would have been impossible just 4 years ago.

They may not like Trump but they can work with him. The Sandman was a unworkable situation for capital.

You do know that conservatives and capitalists in Germany didn't like Hitler before they put him into power, right?

There doesn't need to be a CIA coup, the right party and the army can just do it.

The army already holds the food distribution.

Obama won 4 years ago.

And S█████ did not come close, haha.

You're probably right. He will probably win. Hubris is a dangerous thing though.

Yeah, like how the Sandman was an unworkable situation for Hillary.

Apparently, this guy is so dangerous yet Hillary sneezes and he worshipes her.
The prussian junker class voted for him.

Obama is a normal weak president, yet under him, SJW movements rise and get powerful.

A president is the face of the country, someone like Trump taking power means every redneck is going to get proud again.

Those sure are a lot of suppositions based on spoops, feels and data whoops still none of that last one lol

SJW movements become a mainstream thing under Obama. No such thing with Bush.

Obama is also the president with the most mass shootings.

Go fuck yourself, you fucking faggot. A namefag running /k/ has nothing to do with us.

I have no idea why you'd assume that's because of Obama.

We fucking love guns, why the fuck are you spamming /k/?
Get the fuck off my /k/ I just want to talk about finding cheap antique firearms.

Trump also manages to unite the party, unlike Clinton/Sanders.

Ted Cruz being the odd controlled opposition even give legitimacy to Trump.

He's a mastermind who everyone thought was a clown but now becomes the republic nominee.

Because Obama constantly preaches about social justice, and he was supported by SJWs in his election.

It's obvious and logical that these guys become the voice of him.

Just a heads up, this faggot is already telling /k/ that we did it.

As if Holla Forums can be hated more.

It doesn't matter. He's trying to get /k/ to spam us so that he can keep being a faggot.

The Sandman was playing party poltics from the door. He said a year ago he would support the Democratic nominee. Porky wasn't scared of the man. They are uncomfortable with his rhetoric. That his rhetoric struck a nerve with a large portion of the country made him untenable.

Ok. The vast majority of conservatives still voted for Hidenburg.

So in other words, the Sandman wasn't an issue.

His supporters are an issue, and thus is why the Sandman himself must force his supporters back in line.

This speaks volumes of the left.

Trump actually does not call out neo nazis nor force them to apologize.

So who's falseflagging you? Who's "namefag"?

it's autistic enough to be shillcen, or maybe just random Summerfaggotry

He doesn't call them out because he doesn't even acknowledge their existence. Real champion you guys got.

The army is pro-Maduro you dumb fuck, they ain't gonna do shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=jsAR6DhbEyY

Oh but he does.

Mind keeping your cuck fetish here, nobody wants to see jolly african american dink you dumb floppies.

It's a single autistic tripfag that calls itself Makise Kurisu.

Some techie on /k/ made a script to block tripfags:
8ch.net/k/res/393555.html#393555

And as you can see from that thread, the tripfag lost it's shit.

Turns out attention whores hate being ignored lol.

Also s/he/it created this thread to try to get us to raid Holla Forums in return, but obviously we saw through it.

Wow. I'm sure he knew the guy was a nazi.

He sure knew afterwards.

Never took down the tweet either.

He also retweeted anuddah shoah btw.

Trump is a dumbass , it will be a miracle if he gets elected. Also his faggot son handles his twitter.

Well, he beats everyone in his team and is now winning against Clinton.

His struggle is literally the dumbfuck shonen protagonist who wins against everybody.

Kill yourself.

And we know it's an autistic retard spamming manually made THIS thread because he accidentally spammed the same image with the same filename on /k/.

I might've known

Hey retard we know it's you.

You accidentally spammed the same image with the same filename.

Bet you wish VPN kept cookies long enough to delete those posts lol.

LOL TRIPFAG BTFO

lol what a faggot

failing this hard should be a crime

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lolno

Gaddamn.

Doing shit like this is why you end up with a /k/ hostile to your board. Because we expect you to do more bullshit like this.

Ignoring a namefag going by Makise Kurisu.
Seriously that's what this is about.

what a waste of trips

huh

significance? the new guy is confuse.

really nigga

Look through the thread you mong

That was my first guess, but wasn't sure. Thanx.

I did, but it sure lost me.

I just wanted to get my $.02 out there mate.

Just so you guys know, /k/ isn't a Holla Forums colony. There's certainly some crossover, but Holla Forums is actually pretty retarded when it comes to anything /k/ related. I think there's more lolbergs on /k/ than anything

Either way, I'm pretty sure that jap namefag was just trying to false flag you guys.

What this guy said. If any of you faggots get the chance to witness a spegkraut spaghettifest, you'll get an idea of how well Holla Forums is generally received on /k/.

What does this even mean?

/k/ was my home board and even I'm not quite sure.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the "SUPERIOR GERMAN ENGINEERING" meme, though.

Spegkraut I assume was a misspelling of a portmanteau of spergout and kraut.

There's an autist on our board that likes to pretend he's german AND a nazi. it's hilarious.

He's actually a burger with a VPN.

Same for spergook, who is possibly the same person posting from either a nam VPN, or actually just that goddamn "special".

There's an autistic Holla Forumsack who posts on /k/ that we nicknamed "spergkraut". He disappeared for a while and now there's a Vietnamese flag poster with really similar political views and autism that we call sperggook. Then there's the namefag who caused all the trouble today. Some think it's all the same person. I I'm not so sure about that though.

Weird. But amusing.

Makise Kurisu spamming Holla Forums too lol.

The butthurt on this faggot could be used to power an artificial sun.

goddamn, that was a pretty good insult.
actually got a laugh outta me.

This actually couldn't have worked any better than it did. Now all you /k/ fags think that some hikikomori autist did this, and are no closer to understanding the truth.

use your eyes, faggot. does that look anything like the /k/ spam? Holla Forums is not being spammed

Hello Holla Forums, can anyone explain why one of my liked boards is getting spammed with porn?
I know you are considered the boogeymen of Holla Forums by Holla Forumslutants, but every time I check I see you are getting shitposted by Holla Forumsacks so I guess you're just a bunch of useless pushovers and I don't expect you to engage in spamming, so… who is doing this? Why?!

You guys are surprised that a Talmudic Marxist cheated you? How fucking stupid are you guys? It's like throwing rocks at a beehive and getting mad when they sting you.

Ok pal

No offence guys, but I've seen too much Holla Forums shitposting all over your board not to get an impression you aren't handling the things as well as you could, not to mention Holla Forums has managed to take over pretty decent boards like Holla Forums and Holla Forums and turn them into their circlejerk colonies where every second thread is about da joos and nigguhs, with no visibleresistance from you guys… why? I'd love to have one group of ideologues take on another one to keep things balanced, but it looks like you just left a whole load of boards for Holla Forums circlejerk to consume.

Also, seriously, any idea who did all this spamming?

You guys like guns for yourselves, but not for people that oppose your retarded back-ass ideologies.

spam user here. i post with int/soc flag when I am not shitposting.

the explanation is simple

/k/ is full of the same useless ideology as Holla Forums, and weakness is known (no BO/mod), so /k/ got spammed

Holla Forums was raided too but they actually have mods and tons of vols so they kept getting deleted

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Because one of your least-liked namefags was upset that he was going to get filtered? Why is this issue spilling over to Holla Forums? We, as a board, have virtually no interest in the meta-affairs of /k/, and those of us who do browse /k/ keep the discussion to the appropriate board.

Because we have virtually zero interest in participating in an internet turf war. That kind of mentality is pathetic, and extremely detached from reality. We'd rather discuss leftist politics and theory than have an ideological flame war.

I bet you have an IQ below 140.

hey buddy if you keep making off-topic comments about my IQ i might cry!

i think that the most ideologically backwards, Holla Forums-consumed poster could at least have the common decency to the first thread on the fucking board before making wild generalizations about the board's posters, lmfao

While posters on Holla Forums have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat, and are against banning guns. Famous leftist heroes such as Marx, Orwell, and Huey P. Newton were all pro-gun.

"That rifle hanging on the wall
of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage
is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there." t. Orwell

faggotron

I'd be careful if I were you

Hehehe, no, supplying your enemies with weapons is a great idea. I mean, what could go wrong?

are you retarded

BLM is a fucking joke that tore itself apart.

Yeah, lets prove that Holla Forums isn't the one fucking with other boards by fucking with other boards.

Brilliant plan there, I'd expect nothing less from socialists and commies.

The fact that you want the cheka to shoot me for having the wrong opinions isn't the same as supporting RKBA for all citizens, you worthless, parasitic gommie.

If I had to pick one of the two authoritarian dystopias to live in, I'd pick theirs over yours, hands down.

Trump just made anime real with his victory.

You niggas just can't into truth is weirder than fiction.

Is the spammer australian?

Nah, not really, there was a movement against BLM, and Trump is a big part that legitimizes it.

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You're absolutely right.

Ironic considering they kill way more than the Nazis.

They also do FAR less terror attacks than any other group

Discuss.

Jewish extremist kills more than nazi, wow!

Why?
Are you a spook or something?

eh?

Is this post satire?

Army/Navy =! Civilians owning guns.
AFAIK in a true communist state you don't really need guns because everyone should be cooperating with eachother for all the goods needed, or in the most likely scenario whoever's using communism as a means to an end doesn't want the people to stage an armed revolt against them for imposing redistribution of wealth, so they are usually banned eitherway. Pre-revolution and mid-revolution, they'll probably want the guns for either a hostile takeover or simply for defense against any opposing radicals, but the ideology goes against them after it has been imposed upon the society.

Not like it matters, the meme about "lefties want to ban guns" is mostly perpetrated by liberals who want to live in a nanny policestate more than in freedom, that other poster just wanted to use it to stage a flamewar on both /k/ and here because he got absolutely beat the fuck out by a scriptfag who made something to completely block his faggotry.

the picture wasn't supposed to be a message

Eh, whatever then.

I bet the guy doing this is a Holla Forums spook who wants to make Holla Forums look bad.

Please read it's a namefag who wants to falseflag and create a flamewar because he got filtered, he's also spamming /ck/ and tried to spam Holla Forums but got deleted instantly.

what a fucking faggot

wrong, homo

very kek that you fags all jumped to blame the hikikomori tbh all the same to me

I think he's an American.

This is what happens when you stop beating your kids for cutting up.

/k/ guy here.

It's obvious that OP is some kind of troll or Holla Forumsack trying to start shit. I would just let this thread die.

am also /k/ guy.
Doesn't posting an image make sage ineffective?
Either way, OP is trying to make us fight each other.
We must fuck, not fight.

Nice evidence.

I'm willing to let communists go their own way, but I will not fuck one of them.

You're an armchair retard and, unlike you, antifas are doing something about the fascists trying to rise to power yet another time

Yes. Deeply so.

They will probably get radicalize more likely.

Like there is "some crossover" between the bourgeois and the elite?

zurückbringen Eiserne front!