Ultras are the fucking worst

I wasn't asking you to, I was only pointing out how GMIL is a useless faggot. The comic represents the worst part of the far left: the kind that criticizes everyone else, often for contradictory reasons, while doing nothing of use, egging on sectarianism for ego.

so, leftcoms then

It's been a while since that one guy posted here, though.

I think what the other guy is saying is that there are still capitalists and classes, so libertarian municipalism hasn't been accomplished yet.

Ah, okay. Well, LM doesn't really have the same distinction as socialism/communism do - it's both the process and the end goal. Although I personally think that libertarian municipalism and market socialism do lead to what Marxists would call "communism".

Leftcom was my favorite shitposter, he legitimately made me smile sometimes. Now we have totally-not-a-fat-guy-irl anfem.

I've explained why it's still a capitalist system. It still has small-scale private ownership of means of production.

His thought comes out of anarchism, I'm just saying he hasn't implemented his system…

Honestly, I'm glad there are no leftcoms left (ayy). Rocialism is full of them, and they fucking suck.

Anfemposter a qt believe me

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_municipalism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communalism_(political_philosophy)
Here it talks about the abolition of private property, markets and money. As well as the "from each to his ability, to each to his need" thing.

It is a socialist school. If there are capitalists, it ain't socialism. I applaud Rojava though. It's a good thing that ought to be supported.

Plus, I find the women to be very attractive.

did she send you dick pics and that's why you shill for her in every thread, you disgusting IRC white knight rebel?

Ironic, considering this is a chan, aka Internet smug central.

Rebel m8 you seriously need some puss

Is this about football?

isnt "ultra left" an outdated af buzzword?
arent you kids supposed to be using the military vehicle meme or something?

I wish

1 word: traps.

kek anti feminists are the biggest projectors

Fuck off

Rojava is going down a market-socialist route to that kind of socialism, which I strongly agree with (and which Bookchin did too). Phasing out capital can be done in a lot of ways.

And hell yes.

pls lurk more

that's kind of what you're doing.

If she wasn't an anfemposter you wouldn't care

That's fine if they do that.
At least they're doing something. The Middle East needs some leftism.

I don't care about anfem. I like the statue one and the cat one. I don't like the other because she takes it too far and never stops.
I don't know what this "white knight" shit is and I don't care.

ultra leftist is a buzzword used by different people to describe different things.
MLs use it to call leftcoms, socdems use it to call MLs, lolberts use it to call socdems. its confusing af and in that comic, it can be use to refer to "tankies"

Hurr durr Rojava still has classes, revolutions are a process you idiots. A long protracted process. Do you think classes are abolished in a couple of years?

thats what we tried to tell them, they called us tankies and statist authoritarian capitalists though

well for starters rojava isn't having mass purges as of yet

youre talking as if catalonia didnt have any purges or people didnt die under zapatista hands.
the revolution isnt a fucking dinner party, revisionists had to be purged, sadly they only purged the quasi-leftists and not the blatant capitalists

On the internet left, it refers to a pseudo-academic "left communism". I don't care much about what anybody else has to say about it, since we're on the leftist internet.

Rojava confirmed for MLM paradise

under anarchism yes :^)

libertarian MLM is the way to go

people dieing in revolutions vs 'fifth column' purges are completely different things

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Well, down the rabbit hole… what does that even mean?

it doesnt mean anything. since youre memeing by saying rojava is similar to actual socialist countries, i found no reason to take you seriously

yes that 's totally what I meant
ugh

Don't argue with a maoist
You'll get a load of gibberish

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What quasi-leftists are you referring to?

Also am I seeing more Maoists on Holla Forums? That's nice to see, I'm not a maoist but I'm rather interested in MLM.

He probably supports the "ultra-left" such as Shengwulian in the GPCR and against the decision to replace the Shanghai Commune with the 3 in 1 committee

Yeah, this is a pretty obvious troll. Oh well, I thought I'd stumbled upon the most absurd ideology imaginable.

Unfortunately, it's just the most absurd ideology that exists.

Rojava isn't staging kangaroo courts to purge thousands of supposed 'fascist plotters' as opposed to you know who

shit talking in front of them without talking to them in an attempt to piss them off is pretty garbage-tier ngl.

They're MLM, not people.

can't we be all be friends?

anarkiddies, trots, leftcoms, imperialist-collaborators, you know the rest

why would they need to purge non-leftists, theyre non-leftists themselves

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kek im in tears

haha let this be the representation of Holla Forums

Your'e no MLM, all MLM's I have met support Rojava

CPUSA supports hillary, does that mean all communists in the US do?

this is how little tankies know about the actual world

anarchists came first. They are leftists, get over it. I consider MLM's leftists

Do any socialist states currently exist today?

middle eastern, is that okay for you now?

a lot of anarchists are true leftists, i dont disagree, but a lot are just sectarian dogmatic idiots who refuse to work with actual existing leftist movements, or even outright denying any contributions made by MLs

no. all fell for capitalist revisionism.

Guess Mao was Japanese lol

Your worldview is probably as well-informed by facts as Holla Forums.

Alright then what is the MLM position on Syria? Isn't there a need for national liberation of oppressed nations in Syria?
Also what organisation do you belong to?

That's pretty much bigger than semantics.

Well those anarchists are fools, but there are Marxists who do the same shit and undermine anarchists.

inb4 "Syria was a fair and democratic country before those nasty imperialists came along"

this has absolutely nothing to do with the original argument.
nice job making no arguments and trying to stir it to a different subject so you can act like youre right. you look like a fucking moron

i support rojava for being a national liberation movement at first, but they allied with imperialist israel and US, theyre not a leftist movement, just a nationalist one

this is going pretty far away from the original argument tbqh

GMIL, 1917:

This comic is trash

I'm not the one who called Kurds Arab, mate. And there's no "argument" to go back to, you're just spouting off tankie buzzwords for no particular reason. I thought it would be nice to point out that you don't know literally the single most basic fact about the situation you're talking about.

no investigation no right to speak, if you knew anything about Democratic Confederalism ideologically it is anti-nationalist and against nation-state.
Furthermore would a bourgeois nationalist movement collectivize property?

kek, you posted a pic of a kurdish female soldier and you expected people to take you seriously?
and now youre bugging me about some dumb shit that i doubt 2% of leftypol know or even care about. what a failure

are you retarded?

What was the argument, again? Please remind me, since I seem to remember you didn't say shit.

Kurds aren't Arab, by the way.

this

then

then you posted pic of a girl

also you used this very dialectical argument

you know how to scroll up, right? or are you that retarded?

youve been saying this like what, 3 times already? irrelevant and not an argument

No, I'm not asking what I said. I'm asking what you'd like me to actually "provide an argument for".

Kurds aren't Arabs, by the way. Didn't we just say "no investigation, no right to speak"? Who was that, again?

It's another Rojava thread…

kek
literally repeated that stupid shit the 4th time after being called out
look up retard. i wasnt the hypocrite who said that

Kurds aren't Arabs.

No, that was Mao, actually. Holy shit, you know nothing at all. Are you 14?

i was talking about the fact that i didnt mention that quote, another person did. yet him and you are the ones spouting absolutely no argument other than shittalking me for being a maoist.

nobody cares

THERE. IS. NO. ARGUMENT.

You haven't said a single fucking word which could be usefully discussed. Nothing in the course of your "contribution" to this thread has been contested, save for the most basic fact possible, which you got wrong. Now you're scrambling to use the "not an argument" meme to pathetically cover up for the fact that you obviously don't know a single fucking thing. And that's why you're a Maoist.

repeating "kurds arent arabs" and shittalking me for being a maoist is worthy of discussion?
you derailed your own thread by proving how shit you are at arguing by posting a pic of a girl as some kind of epic memery.
ironic how you literally used that meme in that exact sentence.

my original argument was about you people defending rojava the same way MLs defend past socialist countries, except that doesnt work because rojava allied with imperialist countries, not against them. rojava is a national liberation movement, barely a leftist one.

It's slowly collectivizing though. I think its unfair to say they're not anti-capitalists when they are actively out-phasing capitalism, even though they had no time to agitate and organise.

Besides, nothing is inherently wrong with coordinating war efforts with a great power with whom you share a common enemy. To suggest so is simple unreflected anti-Americanism that refuses to take into account the facts on the ground.
The state in Rojava is both limited in authority and indeed also, very importantly, in geography, and only exists because they had no prior organization to the civil war as the CNT did.

As usual.

maoposting should be a bannable offense tbh

so many triggered kiddies lol

Capitalism isn't just the presence of markets, but the presence of markets shows that there is exchange, commodity production, value… y'know, capital.

Revolutionary movements don't pander to small business owners and landlords, nor do they expel rival ethnic groups from the territory they capture.

Rojava, like the rest of the Kurdish movement, is retarded ethnic nationalism

No. Means of production owned by the direct producer are not considered capital, at least not according to people like Marx and Proudhon.

Which they don't.
The fact that non-collective property is in steady decline and that petit-bourgeoisie rarily participates in the kumîn and even so only has equal votes in the direct democracy.
Also, the large minority communities within Rojava would indicate that they are not ethnic chauvinists.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/10/syria-turkey-right-groups-accused-kurds-rojava-of-war-crimes.html

okay fam.

Yes. Surely amnesty is totally neutral and telling people who are sympathetic to ISIS to move is evidence of ethnic chauvenism, even though Arabic and Turkmen are both recognized languages used within Rojavas administration and people are taught the same languages on school.
Surely it only boils down to nationalism, which is why the Peshmerga didn't turn against them and cooperated secretly to take down the PKK.
Oh wait, the opposite is true.

what?

Commodities are capital. When you are producing commodities there is capital.

There also isn't control by the direct producers when you are producing for the market, the needs of capital control what you produce.

Except that the PYD controls all the organs of administration and power above the local councils, the organs that actually run things, and they do pander to the petit-bourgeoisie for monetary and material support

You mean the reservations allocated to Assyrians and Yazidis? Shame they don't show the kindness of ghettoisation to Arabs.

You should read "Burning Country" by Robin Yassin-Kassab and Leila Al-Shami, good info on the activities of the PYD

National liberation isn't socialist. Under capitalism it's petit-bourgeois nonsense. It is only good in the context of a wider proletarian revolution.